HERETICS OF DUNE - Book Review

[@JBarG22]

The problem is that, without the third book of this trilogy, we don't know for sure what was Frank's goal. We have Brian Herbert's spin-offs, but I'm 100% sure he misunderstood what was his father's message

[@timediverx]

Someone told me once "Chapterhouse has a great ending because Duncan finally escapes the plot." and I couldn't argue with that.

[@TB-fm8kf]

You can not know, Brian knew his father better then you ever could. don't be so arrogant claiming you know better then him 100%

[@JBarG22]

I don't think you're out of your mind, is just that this book is very complicated to understand upon first contact, maybe Chapterhouse will clear things a bit, while setting up more stuff for a seventh book which never came

[@sammalla5238]

Yeah, Herbert went extra raunchy & goon-mode with this one, still love the Bene Gesserit conflicts

[@InfamyOrDeath-__-]

God I hate when people use the word “goon” or “gooner”, I see so many annoying zoomers using it.

[@JBarG22]

Miles Teg became some sort of new Kwisatz Haderach, but again, without the third book from this second trilogy, that's something we'll never know for sure

[@georgerrtolkien801]

THE SPICE MUST FLOW

[@hab0272]

Amen

[@666slateran666]

If they don't make the god empower dune in a show or movie then they are cowards. We need the WORM

[@BurghezulDjentilom]

Do you want them to ruin worm bro ? Dude ...

[@666slateran666]

@BurghezulDjentilom I just want to see if it can be done 🪱

[@marocat4749]

Damn, Mcavoy would have been perfect

[@JBarG22]

The Tleilaxu gave Duncan these "sex powers" meant to be used against the Bene Gesserit, when Lucilla would try to imprint him, but it backfired and actually worked against the Honorable Matres, so the new Duncan is a male Honorable Matre, like how Paul was a male Bene Gesserit in the first book

[@JBarG22]

In this book Frank basically describes the food replicators from Star Trek and also makes a joke with Star Wars (that one 3-PO part = C3PO), calling it an inferior copy, which basically Star Wars is

[@kotorandcorvid4968]

It only gets weirder from book to book

[@overlookers]

Chairdogs etc., etc.,

[@lukasboruvka5151]

I think what Frank Herbert was trying to achieve was to present us how alien like would distant future feel like. In this he succeeded, but readers can't go over oddly are some things in the books expressed. Like, imagine how ancient Romans would react to present day world. I'm actually suprised DUNE didn't go even further in how "weird" distant future culture could feel like.

[@JBarG22]

Honorable Matres are an off-branch of the Bene Gesserit which scattered to the new universe and decided to come back... Not for conquest, as this book might make it seem, but that's something we'll learn in the next book

[@xavierfigueroa5181]

I also hated the fact that they brought back Duncan AGAIN. I was fine with the first reincarnation of him in Messiah and Children, but I hated when they did it again in Emperor and AGAIN in Heretics, definitely the biggest negative I have with the books

[@timediverx]

He's the main character of Dune why the hate?

[@xavierfigueroa5181]

@ well not “hate” I was exaggerating 😂but I just don’t like the concept of bringing back characters from death, imo it just wastes the opportunity of introducing a new and interesting character to fill the space.

[@JBarG22]

Miles Teg looks like Leto Atreides, while Lucilla and Odrade look like Jessica

[@9709Nick]

Duncan Idaho is the pretagonist of Dune. Some people say Frank had a relationship with a man and he was so obsessed with that guy he created Duncan Idaho and that's why he appears in all the books

[@msj7872]

Interesting. He is my favorite character in the Dune Universe.

[@_kreetch9231]

If this is true why is the sole homosexual person depicted in the series is baron Harkonnen who was an abusive child predator? Herbert might have turned feminist in the later books but I know that man was homophobic lol. Still like his books though

[@msj7872]

@_kreetch9231 At best he was a man of his time. Not many people would openly support LGBTQ+ people. But my feeling was he was openly hostile. The baron is a horrible stereotype of an elderly gay man.

[@TheDogDad]

Ryan, do you ever watch other KZbinrs? Quinn's Ideas reviews a lot of sci-fi books and I'm a big fan of his channel. He got me interested in the Hyperion series l, which I recommend!!!

[@georgerrtolkien801]

@@TheDogDad Big Up Quinns ideas, he got me into Three bodys problem

[@JBarG22]

Even though the seventh book never came out, I feel like Chapterhouse leaves things in a sufficiently acceptable way, so in case you never knew that another book was planned, it works as the ultimate ending

[@timediverx]

Darwi Odrade and Miles Teg are top tier characters in all of Dune

[@higginswalsan]

RIP worm emperor

[@remixisthis]

Fingerblasting your way to victory is WILD

[@JBarG22]

This was meant to be the first book of another trilogy, which was unfortunately never finished

[@albertocarlosjunior]

This book it's more HereTHICCS of Dune 😂

[@albertocarlosjunior]

There's only one way to follow the post-God Emperor, it is Heretics, Chapterhouse and... . . . . . . Dune 7 Advent, a fanfic but really good nonetheless Just give a try into Hunters and Sandworms, the Brian Herbert sequels, but they are not that good

[@overlookers]

Hunters/Sandworms are really sequels to Brian's Butler trilogy and absolutely not Dune7.

[@InfamyOrDeath-__-]

A fanfic? Oh god.

[@albertocarlosjunior]

@@InfamyOrDeath-__- Well. Compared to Hunters/Sandworms, it's light years better, and unlike Dune Revenant, another famous fanfic within the fandom, this one is completely finished.

[@timediverx]

Hunters and Sandworms are blasphemous works of trash. No one should ever read them. Wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy.

[@marocat4749]

I think leto dispersed and became one with the worms and thats why she can talk to worms? Or he as worm gave her something and then became part of the worms and desert? But that seems to go nowhere

[@sabojezles]

Excellent work, man.

[@JBarG22]

Heretics more sets up a new trilogy rather than acts as a single story, like Lord of the Rings, you just gotta read the trilogy

[@ROMANTIKILLER2]

While I was reading Heretics, I often wondered where the heck the whole story was going: there were surely plenty of moving parts, but it felt less cohesive and focused to me. Also, there were sections where it felt like I was reading porn, which felt extra weird. Frankly, it is my least favourite of the series. Chapterhouse I found to be a more compelling read, probably because at least by that point I already had some connection with the characters and what they were trying to achieve, although without doing spoilers the finale left me perplexed.

[@TB-fm8kf]

Heretics wasn't my kind of book either. But i would recommend giving Brian herbert's two Sequels a shot, even tho the writing style is different it's still a solid conclusuion to what Heretics and Chapterhouse build up, and it's based on Frank's notes.

[@timediverx]

No, they are terrible, terrible books that do not belong in the canon at all. I would not wish reading them on my worst enemy. Whatever "notes" they may or may not have had (I think Brian is just a liar) do not change that fact.

[@TB-fm8kf]

@@timediverx You Brianhaters are a really stange cult, touch some grass

[@thehauntedkids]

You should read stormlight archive

[@BlackIce4777]

I didnt really care for book 5 or 6 either. Understandable

[@camerontaylor4008]

Chapter house starts slow but is way more enjoyable than Heretics

[@khubz9190]

can you, respectfully, finish usogui and make a video about it. I am begging you please.

[@Patryyyyck]

usoguis last 4 arcs are on par with berserk straight up

[@khubz9190]

@@Patryyyyck dude, i have been reading manga 's since 2006-07 and im telling you that the latter half of usogui was the best piece of fiction i have ever consumed in any type of media

[@Patryyyyck]

@@khubz9190 based

[@InfamyOrDeath-__-]

Never heard of Usogui, I checked & it’s not printed in English.

[@khubz9190]

@@InfamyOrDeath-__- there is an online translation if u search, and u can check usogui subreddit if u would like to, but if digital formula is not something u would personally enjoy then i completely understand sir, have a great day kind soul.

[@InfamyOrDeath-__-]

Oh I didn’t know the author was dead, so the series is unfinished then?

[@morgumal]

Technicly yes because there are books 7 and 8 written by Frank's son Brian, but they are considered non canon by many because it contradicts many things in the original 6 books. So in a way Chapterhouse is a conclusion.

[@JBarG22]

I still like this book and the next one, but I do think they're inferior to everything that came before

[@YamiSpyroX]

So there's an evil sex cult in the actual Dune Books? Well...that sure explains 'Certain' Advertising in the New Dune HBO series doesn't it? (FYI I stopped at book3. Couldn't handle the Super-hero Worm dude!) Speaking of HBO, did you ever consider reviewing Game of Thrones, the books and or the Tevevision series? They're far longer reads than Dune so I'd get it if you didn't do it (Not to mention he'll never finish it. I'm not one of those guys who hates the Authors guts based on the fact, but c'mon dude.) but it would be interesting to see Ryan's take on the series considering how You enjoy both Vinland Saga and Berserk. Last Kingdom would make for a interesting reaction too, but I don't know those books!