Richard McKinney tells Jon Bernthal about the moment his perspective on humanity changed

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Richard "Mac" McKinney is a US Military veteran who, after serving in the wake of 9/11, returned to his home town of Muncie, Indiana with a deep hatred for members of the Islamic community. Mac was so seated in his hatred that he devised a plan to build a bomb and blow up the Islamic Center in Muncie. During his initial "recon" mission to the center Mac intended to gather evidence of the evils of the religion and it's patrons, but instead came to find that they were "just plain pleasant" and after getting to know them and their religion more eventually converted to Islam and is now a devout Muslim. He is joined by Bibi Bahrami, the "Mother Teresa" of the Muncie Muslim community and one of the pivotal figures in Mac's adoption of the religion and it's ideals of peace and compassion.
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[@WestSideBarson_G_A_P]

African American Muslim from California. Was born Christian but converted two years ago in May.

[@mtaqi7240]

MashaAllah. May Allah swt increase you in your faith and may we all be together in His Paradise. Amen.

[@ErnolDawnbringer]

sending care

[@roadmanRambo]

Ramadaan Kareem brother From South Africa ❤

[@iyak828]

Son even though you chose that... Please come back to Jesus he is the way the truth and the light and he loves you and he wants the best for you

[@WestSideBarson_G_A_P]

@@iyak828 Lol leave me alone.

[@BenAhmed67]

Even some of the Muslims forget the message in Surah Al-Kafiroon...Allah bless you Mac..

[@biased6463]

This verse was received by the prophet, peace be upon him, after 10 years of trying to give the message to his folks. And a lot of these folks were his close family members, friends etc.. So the verse ends with: "to you your way, and to me mine" (rough translation of a meaning of it). But for the people reading this that are Muslim, remember, this was after 10 years of trying. So keep giving dawah (conveying the message), until the point you are absolutely sure you have done what you could for a person or a group.

[@andreidarie4076]

@@biased6463 JazakAllah Kheir for that great explanation, it is very encouraging for me.

[@biased6463]

@@andreidarie4076 Allahoumabarek brother

[@muhammadehtishamkhan84]

@@biased6463 jazakAllah brother ❤

[@biased6463]

@@muhammadehtishamkhan84 Wa Iy yak Muhammad my brother

[@williamboyle3268]

Jon has created his own lane in the podcast space.... Great conversation

[@BBURKE617]

Created his own lane then sold out i was loving this podcast now you gotta pay for it he has 500k+ subs giys with multi million subs dont even do that

[@akhanddbangladesh8274]

8:55 Surah Kafirun, Verses 1-6 1. “Say: O you disbelievers," 2. “I worship not what you worship," 3. “Nor do you worship Whom I worship," 4. “Neither shall I worship what you worship," 5. “Nor will you worship Whom I worship," 6. “To you be your religion, and to me my religion.”

[@UncleLu4660]

​@Akhandd Bangladesh thank you brother

[@williamboyle3268]

@@BBURKE617 you're right, a man shouldn't be paid for his work and efforts so YOU can watch and enjoy for free.... Typical, he's not a sell out, you're just a bum

[@stevedarwich83]

This should be movie and John should play him... I would watch the shit out of that.. ❤️💯

[@iamhusain94]

Beautiful thought.

[@coreinstincts2659]

Good though,it’s gotta be the best director out there tho.

[@MrCharaf45]

Would be a mad movie !

[@abhokie1]

100%

[@paulcadic1285]

Can't wait for this movie, please John make it happen 👍👍👍👍

[@soya5180]

All of America needs to watch this episode

[@firstlast8258]

Gawd bless Murica

[@floatingdisembodiedhead8975]

All of the world

[@mxtinac01casterl68]

uhm no, did you search about domestic helpers from 3rd world countries that was raped, beaten, tortured even killed by their Muslim employers? go search about it, lots of cases like that still happening today.

[@mobo8152]

@@mxtinac01casterl68islam is perfect Muslims aren't. If this wat you claim is true it's against islam

[@soya5180]

@@mxtinac01casterl68 that shit is happening in America, look at what the gop is trying now🙄

[@akhanddbangladesh8274]

8:51 1. “Say: O you disbelievers," 2. “I worship not what you worship," 3. “Nor do you worship Whom I worship," 4. “Neither shall I worship what you worship," 5. “Nor will you worship Whom I worship," 6. “To you be your religion, and to me my religion.” Surah Kafirun, Verses 1-6

[@abdullahalhathlol2939]

"O disbelievers I do not worship what you worship nor do you worship what I worship nor do I serve what you serve to you your religion, and to me my religion.”

[@aminanawabi233]

There is no Compulsion in religion (2.256 Quran)

[@1ma4ighter]

bruh you need to reference the verse and seak protection from shaytaan

[@kordei-7839]

@@1ma4ighter it’s literally one of the most known surahs it’s so short. Surah Al Kafiroon. How come you don’t know it?

[@crazymudman123]

Huge respect to Jon for hosting Mr McKinley on his podcast to share his story

[@nemospodcast6766]

Being an American Muslim, my parents are from Syria and I was born here in Detroit. I understand both sides a lot more, and I watched a video with Richard that he made a while ago and MAN DID I TEAR 😢UP. And now watching this interview melts my heart even more. ps Jon is such a great guy such a badass ASKING great questions I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again being an actor I met him for five minutes at a con, and he actually took the time and looked in my eye and gave me some great acting advice about auditioning, etc. he didn’t have to do that. He also bought some he-man toys from my friend.

[@shoeby9273]

Mashallah

[@jamesstewart8240]

I worked at a car wash on Warren and Greenfield for over 16 years and there was a Mosque next door and they would bring us food and were so welcoming

[@babagandu]

When coming home to Syria sadeek ?

[@THEchiQ]

I saw his video a while back too. That was an eight tissue watch. Amazing ❤️

[@casanova4934]

I loved him for being “The Punisher” but now i love him more for being “The Preacher” Good job Jon for bringing forth the people that are the real heroes being the torch bearers of faith, humanity and all the good that this society lacks in general. 👍👏

[@deshwitat_2]

imagine being the most hardcore,brutal,gore person in the tv shows,practicalling branding death as its nickname,and success doing it and then this side,and like what?..there's this side of live of john "the punisher" bernthal?.. oh ,this man truly an amazing person on/off camera..

[@fawadahmedshaikh9893]

Allah bless Jon and guide him to Islam . Amen

[@nursarahazhar]

It makes me cry seeing how full of love and patience the woman in the video is. Her smile, calm demeanor and what she did for the guy despite his intentions. A rare beauty radiates from her face. May Allah reward these strong muslim women with everything.

[@conquest201]

"No one is born hating another person because of the color of his skin, or his background, or his religion. People must learn to hate, and if they can learn to hate, they can be taught to love, for love comes more naturally to the human heart than its opposite." -Nelson Mandela

[@shasmi93]

Tell that to history…. Humans are and have been incredibly violent. We wouldn’t have gotten this far without it.

[@sehrguterTyp]

Wise words Uncle Nelson 💚

[@chrisoulyou7875]

That was beautiful mashallah

[@BigMo1984]

I don’t know who chooses the topics and guests, but y’all are doing a heck of job so far, keep it up Jon & staff!

[@firstlast8258]

👎

[@burakcoskun1865]

@@firstlast8258 cry harder

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@@burakcoskun1865 🤓🖕

[@burakcoskun1865]

@@firstlast8258 shove it to a place of urs where the sun doesn't shine 🤓

[@firstlast8258]

@@burakcoskun1865 🤡🖕

[@jasminselmanovic5037]

Greetings from Bosnia to all of you.

[@adelky52]

Beautiful honesty from a man that was in darkness and he gave to him self another chance just by listening to other side of the story. Wow. That all what it took. Always double check before you judged that will save you a lot of trouble. I loved his story as he said it’s God plan and I believe it 100%. The moment God knows and he knows your intentions, God will got you where you deserve to be.🙏

[@augustuspigmeatsir8913]

I'll never, ever get tired of hearing this bloke's conversion story hey? It's just beautiful, and truly a miracle, Ah humdilllah!

[@lionruntz]

This was a beautiful display of humanity! It’s crazy how a lot of the world’s problems are simply a lack of communication

[@GlitchBomb]

Jon you a real one, for allowing people to use your platform to share such stories. Respect brother!

[@Hereandthere18]

This is the most fasted 11:52 minutes I had in my entire life! What a beautiful conversation! Thank you sir for such content. Love and peace

[@Inatsikap]

As Muslims we believe there is no compulsion in religion - it is whom Allah guides and the individuals journey of choice.

[@Fotosynthesis858]

I love when life come full circle like this. It’s a beautiful thing & it restores my faith in humanity ✌🏾

[@SoleEpiphany]

Wow, that’s amazing. So glad they came together rather than letting hatred prevail as it does so much unfortunately

[@firstlast8258]

Religion of piece

[@loganleuci684]

@@firstlast8258peace**

[@jojoahmd123]

Muslims are always good people they are the ones who I trust in this world….just don’t go to their lands and destroy it

[@SoleEpiphany]

@@jojoahmd123 yes, the deeds of the few shouldn’t dictate the feelings about the many. I can’t believe the world is still as hateful as ever. It’s pathetic😒

[@adingalug6401]

Great conversation. it made me cry. Peace to all of you. Salaam

[@Fivetimesthree]

This podcast just keeps delivering

[@firstlast8258]

Delivering 💩

[@yamen1977]

I searched this up after watching the reel of jon telling this unbelievable story! Much respect for you all

[@educationistnargiz]

Great conversation. I really enjoyed it . Thank you so much Jon.

[@andreidarie4076]

Alhamdullilah that this brother was guided to the right path. My eyes had tears his journey. May Allah guide him and all Muslims, and may Allah soften the hearts of those who hate Muslims and guide them to Islam.

[@mariodebuckfilmcomposer434]

What Jon is doing with his podcast is just wonderful . Thanks Jon .

[@aibish0]

Solid interview and inspirational story!

[@samm5688]

"When Truth is revealed falsehood perishes for falsehood by its nature is bound to perish" - Al Quran

[@riazuddin4920]

From watching TWD to seeing Jons interview on Rogen to now...hes a real one.

[@KnowledgeNorth]

Great conversation. Thanks for sharing Jon.

[@TheHumanSynthesisProject]

Wow man. Just wow. Thanks for doing this Jon. Its really important.

[@Baci302]

Big Mac seems so peaceful and content. A complete release of anger. It's so beautiful.

[@Reminderofhuman]

That was a beautiful story ! Thank you

[@OrgKgTV]

Omg..God Bless host & all in the interview & each and everyone of us here..🥰🥰😊

[@sultanvinika1463]

If we talk with each other we realise we are the same...

[@stevedarwich83]

Thanks for this John this is compelling content and much needed. 👍

[@3bdallh12000]

This man I know him last 5-7 years this man ..god live in his heart

[@whodaneighborskbfrmdalaker24]

Another banger back to back like 96 Jordan salute ya John great content 🔥🔥

[@juswarda2056]

I love this episode!!

[@ahg8006]

Thanks for providing us with the Jon!

[@memorymike3815]

John Berntal cool actor and man🙏🏻🤝

[@fydira3492]

Great interview, Punisher. Happy for u guys, especially brother Mac! All the best

[@pittoeng3319]

This is very enlightning. Thank you for sharing us this story Jon.

[@alexferdinansyah757]

10:51: "so much for that covert or die thing huh?" 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@shaguftarehman9173]

I have tears in m eyes.... 😎 man... Cheers!

[@tanjagolden5402]

Absolutely beautiful messaging.

[@zainiabdullah621]

The Noble Qur'an Chapter 109 "Those Who Deny The Truth"/Al-Kafirun "In the name of God, the Gracious, the Merciful. Say (O Prophet), “O Disbelievers. I do not worship what you worship. Nor do you worship what I worship. Nor do I serve what you serve. Nor do you serve what I serve. To you, your way, and I have my way.”

[@rhaegar2138]

We need conversations like these

[@THEchiQ]

I’m atheist to the core, but I was never so happy to hear of a religious conversion, as when I watched Mac’s story a few years back 🙃

[@zakaryaanwar3263]

Honestly, this is an amazing episode.

[@jantheslovakmuslim]

Incredible!

[@floatingdisembodiedhead8975]

Hey brother Jan JazakAllah Khairan

[@ah87bbbb]

Amazing story! Thanks for the share!

[@ErelfBow]

They need to make a movie about Richard McKinney. His story is life changing.

[@SPIRITWithin888]

Loving these podcasts Jon.

[@MrCharaf45]

Man Mac’s story could be a real good movie or tv show even !

[@dahabodahabo5614]

Lovely conversation.

[@jawadkazmi5327]

Beautiful, four honest loving people sat together. So much to admire and learn.

[@ahmadnayfeh121]

very beautiful. i love the entire discussion. it is inspiring.

[@sofianeip]

I've enjoyed every second of the interview

[@DoodyDraws]

I need the full episode to be uploaded 😢

[@nawiribrahim]

This story could have been the other way like in New Zealand Mosque shooter. People can change . The media makes such haters. Thanks Jon for spreading this as it can help change others.

[@samadams9347]

wow ... eye-opener, great podcast.

[@dykha1921]

I wish this was longer ❤❤

[@sehrguterTyp]

Eye opening

[@kanymkulova_dinara]

Beautiful story! Bless you all!✨

[@izzybizzy7089]

Hopefully the full episode comes to KZbin or Rumble soon.

[@kalijasin]

Incredible story. Wow!!

[@NaeemKhan-ww6ot]

This was beautiful ❤️

[@verity91]

Much love and respect💛

[@samadsaif1325]

I just like the honesty and thanks for sharing.

[@Solemn_G]

Great discussion.

[@shoedil812]

1:46 This man is broken inside because of shame. You can just see it. It's the shame for his way of thinking and the gratitude for Muslims to help him through his suffering. This is an epic story. Bless this man! This proves ANYBODY can change inside. Even the baddest of the baddest. As a muay thai/ mma fighter myself I pray for you brother!

[@donalhusnihusni]

Thx John for bring this up.... and can not wait for "The Bear" Season 3.

[@speculatestudio8548]

Hi America.. Peace be upon all of you.. Love from Malaysia 🇲🇾❤️

[@naumansm3]

Love Jon's from the heart approach to things!!

[@HassaanQ]

Soo good to see one of my favorite actors, Jon Brethnal talking to people of my community! this feels so great.

[@m.rusann9687]

Blessing❤

[@whitebeltlyfbjj3393]

Wow brought a tear to my eyes

[@JDBIKERBOY69]

I remember once I read a Punisher comic where he was captured by the government and the officials gave an offer to be in the big boys league and be sent to assassin Osamah Bin Laden in return to clean his records and Frank replied “F*ck you, that’s your mess, you clean it while I handle those gangs and corruptions”. Had a big respect for him since then because he refused to be a tool and stood for his beliefs even if they were wrong. Jon is the real and only Frank Castle (The Punisher) to me

[@ridduanrasman-jt4wl]

Brother Richard McKinney mentioned about this surah : Surah Al-Kafirun Ayats in Arabic: بِسْمِ اللَّهِ الرَّحْمَٰنِ الرَّحِيمِ قُلْ يَا أَيُّهَا الْكَافِرُونَ لَا أَعْبُدُ مَا تَعْبُدُونَ وَلَا أَنْتُمْ عَابِدُونَ مَا أَعْبُدُ وَلَا أَنَا عَابِدٌ مَا عَبَدْتُمْ وَلَا أَنْتُمْ عَابِدُونَ مَا أَعْبُدُ لَكُمْ دِينُكُمْ وَلِيَ دِينِ Transliteration: Surah Kafiroon in Roman English Qul yaaa-ayyuhal kaafiroon Laaa a’budu maa t’abudoon Wa laaa antum ‘aabidoona maaa a’bud Wa laaa ana ‘abidum maa ‘abattum Wa laaa antum ‘aabidoona maaa a’bud Lakum deenukum wa liya deen. Surah Al-Kafirun Translation: Say, “O disbelievers, I do not worship what you worship. Nor are you worshippers of what I worship. Nor will I be a worshipper of what you worship. Nor will you be worshippers of what I worship. For you is your religion, and for me is my religion

[@syedmoosagilani1]

Truly inspiring ❤❤❤

[@herroherrarlee6769]

Great video

[@allanmoe4444]

Definitely one of my favorite actors now because of your role in real life as good as your roles in movies. God bless you Jon

[@thickymcghee7681]

@8:29 The chapter (109) he is talking about is called "Kafirun" (non-muslims and how to coexist with people different from you) is pretty short and a good read.

[@seanpande]

A miracle is a change in perspective and miracles happen every day

[@AdoteAzhar]

Thank you, John!

[@ordinaryvalley]

So heartwarming ❤

[@e.t7576]

Great podcast keep up the good work 👍🏻

[@nefelibatacomingthrough2707]

i have a hair on my screen

[@iamhusain94]

Beautiful podcast.. Tears came out of my eyes.. Inspirational!! Now what should I do to remove hair from my screen?

[@e.t7576]

@@iamhusain94 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@samimohammed3827]

The "punisher" interviewing the real Punisher

[@kayden9975]

Man great conversation shout out to you from Saudi Arabia 🇸🇦 jon ♥️

[@facts.explained.]

He's an Amazing brother. Very honest and respectable man as he admits his previous mistakes. Msy Allah almighty bless you brother.

[@1234AtoZ9]

Amazing story I cried while listening him

[@sosmoove5693]

What a great human being. Such an amazing story I enjoyed every second of this guy.

[@brianlucena]

Amazing man!

[@Lineman22705]

Stranger at the Gate should be mandatory to watch. Such a great story.

[@prasannasurange]

Yes...love and goodness does win...ultimately!!

[@paulinoleal5592]

Bro, this guys interview Muslims yet joe rogan she talked with a lot of anti Islamist and never actually had a Muslim on his podcast

[@fawardrazeek7169]

Rogan will start interviewing muslims soon after this. Give it a few months. Mark my words bro. ;)

[@EfenTyson]

Joe Rogan had Dave Chappel on his podcast, Mike Tyson and other muslims. This story was shared on Rogans podcast & instantly got 3x more people who watched this because of his podcast. Its how I heard about this story, from Rogans podcast. Joe Rogan does podcasts w people he wants & its never due to religious believes. He had "the punisher" on his podcast due to liking his movies and life experiences. If anybody on his podcast was anti islam, it was not the reason they were invited nor did he know that. Joe is not very religious but does belueve in being a good person & is against all form of hate and judgement or crime. Kind of the way you judge him based on nothing he did but maybe some believes of guests that were on his shlw for a completely different reason. One thing happened on his podcast, in regards to islam, was the journalists who were killed for making cartoon jokes about Prophet mohammed. To Joe, as well as any real muslim, commiting murder because someome joked about prophet mohammed, is a horrific sin. Joe did not say how this was from few extreme terrorists and by assumption few ignorant hating judgemental people believed that he blamed all muslims. Exactly what you are doing now and the very opposite that islam teaches. People make such assumptions all the time about most things they believe in. So I hope you realize that you are being hateful & judgemental and that the exact opposite is expected from muslims. But we all make mistakes and keep learning so insallah you will do so and become more understading and open minded while not judging and always looking for as much information as possible before you even think of creating a negative opinion and even more careful before you spread and share negativity in any way about anyone. Selam Alejkum

[@arshad_nazran]

The chapter that Ustadh McKinney was referring to is the Surah Al-Kafiruun, 109th Chapter with 6 verses; {In the Name of Allah, The Most Merciful and The Most Compassionate} "Say, ˹O Prophet,˺ “O you disbelievers!. I do not worship what you worship, nor do you worship what I worship. I will never worship what you worship, nor will you ever worship what I worship. You have your way, and I have my Way. (in other translation: For you is your religion, and for me is my religion.)"