Was Russia Justified to Invade Ukraine?

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Ryan Chapman

Ryan Chapman

Күн бұрын

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@bensomethingetc
@bensomethingetc 2 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure, but my read on Ukrainian discreteness is that Russia is referring to Kievan Rus as their shared heritage, but that, despite their name, Russia doesn't inherit the culture of all rus-ic peoples, but inherits the particular culture of the principality of Muscovy, which is different from western rus-ics
@vladyslavkarpenko9372
@vladyslavkarpenko9372 Жыл бұрын
Great point! The Russia becomes "Russia" in the 18th century by renaming on the will of Emperor. Actually the thin ties from modern Russia to the medieval Kievan Rus' goes to... the northeast province feodal that in 13th century gathered an army to going with war to the southwest (main) part, destroyed the country, destroyed the capital city Kyiv, theft the goods and massacre a lot of population. So the enemy destroying the Kyivan Rus' at first by himself, than fully canceled it as subordinate ally with Tataro-Mongolian khanate, claiming themselves as "proudly origin of Rus'". Don't be misleading : Russia is not the same as Kievan Rus'. They pretending to be look like and you thought that, but in reality they country origins was a threat to the Rus' from the early beginning.
@Nista357
@Nista357 11 ай бұрын
That is not the truth since through history, the sovereigns of Muscovy were the sovereigns of all Rus.
@signorasforza354
@signorasforza354 11 ай бұрын
@@Nista357 British dynasty are German lmao
@Nista357
@Nista357 11 ай бұрын
@@vladyslavkarpenko9372 Only problem is that it is a lie 😁
@TSEliot1978
@TSEliot1978 4 ай бұрын
​@@vladyslavkarpenko9372The name of the Kievan Rus at the time of its existence was literally "Rusia"
@draugami
@draugami 2 жыл бұрын
Only recently have I discovered your channel. Thank you for your videos. You focus on evaluating sound logical arguments. Your channel is definitely worthwhile subscribing to.
@Bronco-1776
@Bronco-1776 20 күн бұрын
He's an idiot who doesn't know what he is talking about in this video.
@loribettari5706
@loribettari5706 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your overviews, which are always as logical, unbiased and simple as possible. I follow you with interest from Italy. I hope your channel grows, it is a great format!
@richmrstonestone
@richmrstonestone 2 жыл бұрын
Accurate
@kaiki8490
@kaiki8490 2 жыл бұрын
Not too accurate fron 7min. The channel by Patrick Lancaster proves that Ukraine is the aggressor Also look up The Grayzone by Max Blumenthal
@kaiki8490
@kaiki8490 2 жыл бұрын
13 killed in trollybus attack kzbin.info/www/bejne/boC8h6Chq9Ccbbs
@kaiki8490
@kaiki8490 2 жыл бұрын
Elderly live underground in fear kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y5PVdaqtoK2Imtk
@seanleith5312
@seanleith5312 2 жыл бұрын
The analysis is right, the conclusion is a bit off. The fact that Russia had warned the west for years, the west are ignorant to take it seriously. You think a few days before the war could result anything? The west is lead by bunch of weak men. That's the natural result. As they say, strong men creating good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times ...
@andriykovach2736
@andriykovach2736 5 ай бұрын
I am a russian speaking ukraining all my life and I didn't feel any oppresion, trevelled around the country (also in ukranian speaking areas) and didn't encounter alienation or watever. And you can occasinally meet some degraded people under some substance in any country. I didn't see any 'torch marches' as in nazi germany in my entire life. Only on russian TV and I belive their frequency and extent was not more than in russia itself. Some minority extremist gatherings did happened in Ukraine but their activity is not more than in any other civilized country. Definitely not the goverment stance. Regarding arson in Odesa the proper investigation and punishment of the guilty never happened and there has never been official findings announced. Some local officials in charge fled to other countries. As I understand the goverment decided to keep silence about the event. That's sad to say the least. At least they could punish for criminal negligence... I do agree with the points stated in the video. Our country has a lot of problems and controversies but they only were used as excuse for casus beli. And lastly you can see very clear picture of their intentions if you watch russian TV. After two years of war they are not shy to state their intentions anymore right on the state TV. You don't need a lot of political background for this. There are a lot videos with english subtitles from russian TV.
@hrogarfyrninga3238
@hrogarfyrninga3238 2 жыл бұрын
Wait, if improving your security at the expense of another nation's security is bad, what is improving your security by invading another nation?
@BakersDelightSam
@BakersDelightSam 2 жыл бұрын
Exactly what I was thinking. Not sure how Ryan didn't see that and thought it was a good argument.
@landmerry_6742
@landmerry_6742 2 жыл бұрын
Both are bad. What should have been done was a balance maintained, but sadly.
@landmerry_6742
@landmerry_6742 2 жыл бұрын
@Com K well then don't bullshit me about it. I just think that ideally, two larger nations shouldn't use smaller nations sandwiched between them as chess pawns. Although that's not going to happen in my life.
@landmerry_6742
@landmerry_6742 2 жыл бұрын
@Com K Surprise: people who don't fight in a war, have this choice of remaining neutral. Also, when I talked about two large nations, I in no way included Ukraine.
@BakersDelightSam
@BakersDelightSam 2 жыл бұрын
@@landmerry_6742 Russia didn't respect Ukraine's sovereignty. Simple as that. Can I tell you what to do if I'm not harming you? You will get on your knees when they want you to.
@bobmorane4926
@bobmorane4926 2 жыл бұрын
On the subject of whether Putin has a good reason or not , let's say that when Iraq was invaded by the allied forces on false pretenses by Colin Powell (that will follow me to the grave), killing half a million iraqi soldiers right there on fabricated reasons, that also opened the Pandora's box that any reason will do as long as you're the king of the jungle. The 3 kings of the jungle who control the nuclear strike from any place in any shape of form happen to be the US, Russia and China. Keep that in mind when dealing with a world with an opened Pandora's box !!!! If u've never heard of Nira's testimony, here's a link . kzbin.info/www/bejne/fIDNeIFviayaiNE
@tomassterancak
@tomassterancak 2 жыл бұрын
yeah but nobody sanctions US for that.... or even say something that is the difference
@bobmorane4926
@bobmorane4926 2 жыл бұрын
@@tomassterancak Because they control the MSM, the propaganda machine of the West !!!
@floydwhatchacallit6823
@floydwhatchacallit6823 2 жыл бұрын
If you consider how bad it worked out for the US, it should be seen as a warning. Not an open invitation to invade who you want.
@bobmorane4926
@bobmorane4926 2 жыл бұрын
@@floydwhatchacallit6823 If Russia was able to influence Cuba to allow the russians to install hypersonic missiles on the island, would the US just sit back and watch thinking well, last time we invaded Afghanistan or Vietnam, it didn't work out very well for us and we'll just wait and see if the russians have the balls to do that. Or switch Cuba for Mexico and you get the idea of why Russians had to invade Ukraine. THat's when you understand the meaning of unspoken red lines. eg Taiwan is another red line. Red lines are emotional issues and has nothing to do with logical outcomes. Do you think Mexico or Cuba is a red line for the US ?
@dnocturn84
@dnocturn84 2 жыл бұрын
@@tomassterancak That's not entirely true: many European countries said something against US reasoning for this war. Like France and Germany for example. They also refused to join the US in this invasion. The US started this war without their approval and support and without NATO. Remember, only the US and UK went through with this. But it was impossible for the ones who resisted the US call for arms, to debunk the faked material and falsified "evidence" by the US, because they rely on the same intelligence reports through NATO structures. Own reports were sparse but already draw a different picture, compared to what the US claimed. The second most reliable source of intel in this region is coming from the UK. And they backed the US in everything. There is no way to impose sanctions on the US, an ally and friend of most western nations, when you're lacking any hard evidence against their claims. The result was only visible after the war was ended and the supposed bases and factories were obviously never there. At least the US didn't try to fake stuff at this point. Putin himself said, that he would have done so, if he was in the US position instead. The real scandal here is, that the US was never judged for this. The UN should have brought judgment over their wrong actions here. They never paid reparations and the responsible people are still free, instead of being thrown in jail.
@lostcauselancer333
@lostcauselancer333 2 жыл бұрын
Short answer: No Long answer: Noooooooo
@johncusson5703
@johncusson5703 Жыл бұрын
Let us be clear in regard to the Russian/Ukrainian war: The relationship between Russia and Ukraine became, in the time of the Soviet Union, a marriage of convenience not of love. When the USSR broke up, in a time of weakness the ruling elites of both nations put up with each other. But when Russia became stronger and a divorce became inevitable, Russia did not want to split the house and the kids so now to forcibly settle the issue its way, it terrorizes the wife and her kids and makes their lives unbearable and even desires to kill her and her kids. This is the mindset of the Russian elite and for this reason they are now treating Ukrainians like rats, taking away from them the necessities of life. My strong wish is that the Russian population will not support their elite in these awful crimes and will find the courage to oppose those that have brought so much suffering to the Ukrainian population and to a lesser extent the Russian population as well. Russia could live very well without any of the acquired Ukrainian territories. The greater weapon needed right now is against a prideful and hateful Russian elite and the portion of the population that supports them. This weapon can only come from Russian people of common sense, Russian people of integrity, and Russian people who truly love God who with courage show their opposition to the Russian elite who has misled them. Many of the Russian media members should be ashamed of the statements they have allowed themselves to make and repeat. In their conversations they have put God aside and for this cause they have become foolish.
@saccount-z3
@saccount-z3 2 ай бұрын
will you find courage to oppose western military excursions?
@lazarignjatovic7881
@lazarignjatovic7881 2 ай бұрын
​@@saccount-z3 he spilled same shit westerners say when they try to "buy" you with sweet words. And they play us everytime. That's just who they are. There is a saying, everytime west tries to silence somebody, in most cases, he is doing something right.
@baswillemsen5424
@baswillemsen5424 5 ай бұрын
I dont think nato exspansion would be the line he would take. Because in the tucker interview carson layed it out for him to take that path but putin went on a historical rant, meanwhile Putin knew an western adince was going to consume it. Sorry for the bad english
@AllanMunk-k7s
@AllanMunk-k7s 2 ай бұрын
True, that rant was certainly wasting a good opportunity. Much could have been different if Putin had been a better communicator. He did eventually turn focus to the other points, but most viewers were gone by then.
@kneelingcatholic
@kneelingcatholic 2 жыл бұрын
re: 10:45 , Ryan what leaders begged Putin to negotiate? There were only two that mattered: Presidents Zelensky and Biden Please!! refer me to where either of them offered to institute the Minsk agreement as an alternative to war. or did Biden urge a backing off of Zelensky's Munich intimation that he needs nuclear weapons. I do remember Blinken referring to Russian proposals as " non-starters"
@gentleman2.061
@gentleman2.061 3 ай бұрын
He's biased. He didn't even talk about the coup lead by the US, the non respect of the NATO extension and the minks agreement. Also the attacks on donesk are well documented but he didn't even take a glance at it. It's not the only video where he is showing history on one side. It's the same for his video on China & Taïwan and even on the 2nd world war. This is a representation of our western media nowadays. They are ready to rewrite history to follow their narratives.
@lazarignjatovic7881
@lazarignjatovic7881 2 ай бұрын
Bingo! Where is everybody now to reply on this question.
@ignaciomoreno9655
@ignaciomoreno9655 Жыл бұрын
I don't agree with Russia invading Ukraine. But, if is true that the NATO didn't take Russia seriously until they started mobilizing their army... I think that we have an important issue on global diplomacy.
@MrBurr-et2mi
@MrBurr-et2mi 2 ай бұрын
I agree on you on the first two points. But in the last segment you said “they would first need to exhaust their diplomatic solutions.” I’m not sure if you know but the Russians had negotiated with NATO over 10 times to not spread their influence further east. You also state that “the world wanted Putin to negotiate” he did. Read about the Minsk agreement. In the first month of the war, Russia and Ukraine sent diplomats to Turkey to reach an agreement, they had concluded in the neutrality of Ukraine… Boris Johnson PM of UK told Zelenskyy to break off ALL DIPLOMATIC SOLUTIONS and then the war progressed. You clearly didn’t read enough about the topic, you would have known that there already was an agreement that was destroyed by a NATO member… hope you inform yourself a little better next time
@robertbones326
@robertbones326 2 ай бұрын
Why should Ukraine seek peace with Russia after Russia had invaded? Why do you think Russia is even interested in peace? It just hit a children's hospital with cruise missiles yesterday. That's not an accident. Ukraine has no choice but to fight this war. It's being attacked every single day for the 29 months
@arsenii_yavorskyi
@arsenii_yavorskyi 2 жыл бұрын
pretty good video. I do believe it's important to articulate precisely why Russia is in the wrong, rather than concluding that instinctively. hoverever, there are a few corrections I'd like to make: 1) there was no civil war in Ukraine. a certain part of the population used to be pro-Russian, and some of them joined up with Russian invaders - but that's it. mere presense of collaborators and turncoats does not make them into full-fledged side of the conflict. those so-called seperatists never existed outside of Russian command structure. 2) NATO can't expand unless Russia threatens its neighbors - case in point, Sweden and Finland decided to join only after seeing what Russia did to Ukraine. meanwhile, Ukraine would've never been accepted into NATO while having unresolved terriotrial disputes over Crimea and Donbass (not to mention that Ukraine itself only started moving into the direction of joining NATO because of the Russian threat). therefore, Russia's NATO argument is based on circumstances that they themselves caused, thus it's not a valid justification for war, just like their other arguments.
@steamboatwill3.367
@steamboatwill3.367 26 күн бұрын
This.
@ditkacigar89ify
@ditkacigar89ify 2 жыл бұрын
3:49 Canada would've been a better example as the US took independence whereas Canada was granted it
@sthk1998
@sthk1998 2 жыл бұрын
Welp but from Putin's point of view at a military level, the "call to negotiate" could just be seen as a stalling tactic, as on the ground this situation is at the zenith of favorable conditions for his invasion. Any later and the conditions of war become less favorable. So I'm not very surprised with his current perception, that he decided to pursue this line of decisions.
@caseclosed9342
@caseclosed9342 2 жыл бұрын
03:50 Actually, this was basically the war of 1812
@william97able2
@william97able2 2 жыл бұрын
Glad someone pointed out.... The British would’ve certainly reclaimed Js had they hv the power to do so
@MatthewMcVeagh
@MatthewMcVeagh Жыл бұрын
War of 1812 was started by the USA, not the UK. Various hawks and expansionists thought it would be a good opportunity to take Canada while Britain was occupied with Napoleon, plus they were annoyed at the Royal Navy's impressment of American sailors captured at sea, which is reasonable. Britain responded but not with much force as it couldn't spare them from Europe; instead the conflict was the making of Canada as local militias in conjunction with Native groups responded more decisively to the threat.
@wrijin
@wrijin 2 жыл бұрын
Generally, I appreciate the effort put into this video. However, I believe you have missed some critical aspects. For argument 1), you have confused the Soviet Union with Russia. While Russia was a major player in the USSR, not all of their leaders were even ethnically Russian, but other nationalities. Stalin was Georgian, Lenin was a true product of Russian multiculturalism and had a mixed background, Malenkov was Macedonian in addition to Russian, Krushchov was not born in Ukraine but was absolutely obsessed with Ukraine and practically was Ukrainian, Brezhnev claimed to be Ukrainian, but it’s a tough call. Gorbachev was Ukrainian-Russian-Jewish, Andropov is unclear, and so is Chernenko. Even with all that being the case, Ukrainian, modern Russian, and Belarusian identities are still forming, and prior to the Soviet Union, the Russian empire encapsulated these various identities (and the Soviet Union continued to do so). We can’t really say that modern Russia is the the same country as the USSR…at all. Putin said Ukraine’s formation was a mistake, but it was not a Russian mistake, but a Soviet mistake. Big difference honestly. He also did not say and has never said that he is considering removing or halting Ukraine’s independence. There is no evidence to suggest that Russia plans for expansion and/or is acting to take over, occupy, or control Ukraine, but of course they are offering to protect and take back Donbas land for the DPR and LPR, and as the situation unfolds, we will see what happens with Kherson and some other areas that wish to depart from Ukraine. As for Crimea, which you didn’t talk about much, the 2014 referendum is a near identical vote to basically the same decision in the 90s. Overwhelming majority (over 90%) of Crimeans with over 90% voter turnout decided they wanted independence from Ukraine as part of Gorbachev’s Union Treaty. Ukraine illegally vetoed the referendum after the U.S. pressured the Ukrainian government, claiming that Russia could not have access to the Black Sea. If the US had not interfered in the 90s, Crimea would have left Ukraine decades ago. The same result occurred in this 2014 referendum - pretty clear that Crimea does not want to be part of Ukraine. My home town has a sister city in Crimea and everyone who has visited says the people consider themselves overwhelmingly Russian, not Ukrainian. Not a single person was killed in the 2014 transfer of Crimea…there were no deaths. For part 2), while you could argue the semantics of genocide regarding Odessa, Ukraine’s continued bombing and serious violations of seize fires for 8 years in the Donbas could certainly constitute genocide. After the 2014 Maiden coup, the very first law passed by the new “government” was the banning of the Russian language in all public sector work. It’s quite terrifying. In fact, the DPR and LPR referendums were not for independence from Ukraine, but for autonomy within Ukraine…but despite this, Ukrainian government spearheaded by neo nazi battalions began the Anti Terror Campaign and began the assault on the Donbas, where cluster ammunition has killed civilians. Over 14,000 people on both sides (all pretty much Ukrainian citizens, mind you), have died since 2014. France and Germany signed a declaration agreeing to force Ukraine to uphold the Minsk Accord, but when Ukraine continued shelling of civilians, neither country did anything. Russian Parliament had been begging Putin to recognize the DPR and LPR and he was very hesitant to do so. In fact, he rejected the Parliament’s call for recognition of the territories in February 2022, and only finally recognized when shelling was continued during negotiations. You say that Ukraine’s aggression does not warrant invasion, but I beg to differ. Someone needs to stop the death of innocent people. It’s not okay to let people die for no reason other than their ethnicity, language, and belief. There is so much more to this than most people are aware of, and while again, I appreciate your video as one of the least inflammatory, I believe you are missing a lot of context and information which is absolutely critical to this situation. Ukraine’s policies of executing politicians, Western European and U.S. role in 2014 Euromaiden, CIA training program of Azov battalion, etc. all add to to the fire. It’s a horrible situation and it’s even more horrible that this has turned into a good vs evil paradigm. I highly recommend anyone interested in Russian relations to read Creating Russophobia: From the Great Religious Schism to Anti-Putin Hysteria by Guy Mettan. I also recommend the following article by independent French Think tank: cf2r.org/documentation/la-situation-militaire-en-ukraine/ It is written by an ex-NATO official. Anyway, thanks for the video - it at least sparks some more standard discussion of the topic.
@yeehaw9303
@yeehaw9303 2 жыл бұрын
Why did the ukrainian government start shelling its own people? Wasn't it a contermeasure against russian separatism? why didn't you include that in your little essay?
@AllanMunk-k7s
@AllanMunk-k7s 2 ай бұрын
@wrijin I agree completely. In Denmark we have zero political will to acknowledge these matters, but they are very relevant in any decent objective analysis.
@gramioerie_xi133
@gramioerie_xi133 2 күн бұрын
You know Russia has (according to the United Nations) destroyed or, quote, ‘damaged beyond repair’ roughly _80-95%_ of all the buildings in the city of Mariupol? Within the first three months of the war? That was a city with a pre-war population greater than 39/50 U.S _state capitals._ And it’s just fucking gone. It got Dresden’d. It got Hamburg’d. Berlin’d, Warsaw’d, Stalingrad’d, Rotterdam’d, fucking _Hiroshima’d._ It’s just gone. Over 200 schools were hit within the first _three months_ of the war. The United Nations estimates over _10,000 cases of rape._ Civilian casualties likely exceed the amount of people that have died in fucking _Gaza,_ for goodness sake. We have _dozens_ of cases, all spread out, of Russian soldiers firing upon civilian vehicles. Kharkiv has been struck with over a _dozen_ missile strikes _every single day_ for over a _year_ now, almost all of which go on to strike purely civilian targets. According to the World Health Organization (WHO), as of the 4th of April, 2024, Russia has bombed roughly ~1,682 hospitals and healthcare facilities in Ukraine. Over _1,500 hospitals and healthcare facilities._ Like, holy fucking shit. Ukrainian POWs are being released severely malnourished and mistreated. I watched a video of over a hundred Ukrainian POWs exiting a bus after finally arriving back in Ukraine following a prisoner swap, and I do not exaggerate when I say that every single one of them looked like they just walked out of fucking _Auschwitz._ I’m serious. I actually went and compared real photos of Auschwitz prisoners out of disbelief, and I’m dead serious when I say they looked almost identical. Russia has been deliberately targeting energy infrastructure throughout the winter, and almost every single fucking day they hit another apartment complex. The global community overwhelmingly agrees they have been, and currently are, targeting highway intersections at rush hour. They are also being tried for simply fighting- which is a war crime. So is driving around in vehicles marked as ambulances, but we have photos of Russia doing that. We have Ukrainian civilians being forced to wear Russian uniforms so they get shot at by Ukrainian troops while they dig mass graves to put the bodies of _other_ Ukrainian civilians who died being forced to dig trenches. Tens of thousands of Ukrainian children have been kidnapped and deported to what are literally called ‘re-education’ camps within Russia- hastily made prisons built out of former convention centres, and the like. There are dozens of reports of them being forced to listen to the Russian national anthem on repeat, being forbidden to speak Ukrainian, being told their parents abandoned them, etc. Do you not know just how many people… children, even… report not just witnessing torture take place, but _being_ tortured, personally? The sheer rate of human right abuses in these ‘re-education camps’ is actually fucking unfathonable. There are _dozens,_ fucking _dozens_ of cases of them launching missiles at civilian structures, and then launching a _second_ missile roughly 30 minutes after. All the time. Over and over and over again. This is clearly an attempt to kill firefighters and medical workers- it’s called a ‘double-tap’ strike. Torture chambers are found en-masse wherever Ukraine liberates territory. I know of videos of fucking _children,_ crying, while confessing to having been tortured there. Apparently, the torture rooms for _children_ are just the same as the others… with the exception that they have _carpet._ That’s the difference. I remember reading testimony (from a fucking _child,_ my god), about a guy he saw hanging from the ceiling, suspended by hooks in his body, with blood pooling half an inch deep on the floor. We have mass graves filled with literally hundreds of civilian bodies, many with their hands bound, being found in liberated territories. Bucha wasn’t the only massacre… it’s just the most well-known. Every other day we detect a new one that wasn’t there yesterday suddenly appearing in the occupied territories- ominously filled in holes in church yards and stuff. We see them appear on satellite feed. How do you explain a hole in the ground filled with 500 dead civilians… curiously, where 95% of which were women? Ages ranged from 80 year old grandmas to 6 year old girls. I’ve literally seen fucking photos of it. There are videos, made by Russian soldiers, of them openly laughing about the war crimes they have committed. We have leaked footage of a Russian teleconference call literally discussing the logistics of kidnapping children. Russian state-owned media regularly features people openly advocating for the deliberate murder of literally millions of Ukrainians. I remember one clip I watched of someone suggesting Russian soldiers systematically drown Ukrainian children in the Dnipro river. Putin literally denies the existence of a Ukrainian identity. An article was published exactly 48 hours after the start of the war, on the dot, by Russian state-owned media. It called for, quote, the ‘liquidation’ of the Ukrainian leadership; referred to, quote, the ‘Ukrainian Question’ (sound familiar?); and celebrated the assimilation and obliteration of Ukrainian culture. An exact quote is ‘did the old fools at Berlin and Paris think Kyiv would forever remain out of Russian hands? That the Russians would forever remain a divided people?’. Said article was taken down a few hours later, so clearly it was leaked by accident. Thankfully, it’s available on the Internet archive. It also talked about Ukraine in past-tense, so it was likely published automatically, and intended to as a celebration for when Russia conquered Ukraine, which explains the to-the-minute perfect timing. It also just goes to show they really did intend to conquer Ukraine in mere days. Which makes sense, we found parade uniforms in the 60 kilometer long tank column that rode in a straight line directly towards Kyiv from the minute the war began, after all. You know, the one Ukraine blunted entirely? We have over a dozen instances of Ukrainian soldiers being castrated- one of them was caught on video, for the love of god. There is literally a fucking example of Ukrainian civilians being murdered in a literally fucking gas chamber by a Russian general. But it’s just the one example, so no biggie, right? There were photos that surfaced of a Ukrainian soldier, whose head was _fucking decapitated and impaled upon a stick_ outside of Bakhmut. They literally _directly_ struck a tiny, 5x5 meter large _Holocaust Memorial,_ in the middle of an empty field, with no other buildings of any kind around for _ten miles._ It was just a small circle with a statue in the middle, dedicated to a massacre that occurred in that very field, miles away from civilization. It was less than five meters wide, and yet the _very top of the statue_ was _directly_ struck by a _precision guided missile,_ blowing it to pieces. A fucking _Holocaust Memorial._ What does all that tell you?
@omenquentama6453
@omenquentama6453 Жыл бұрын
I find the question bit weird since I think that it's impossible to objectively justify anything. It just comes down to values.
@johnankrah299
@johnankrah299 2 жыл бұрын
Great video. It would have been nice to include the "de-nazification" comment Putin made and if there was any justification. There appears to be a strong far right element in Ukraine as seen by the treatment of black students who were stopped from leaving during the invasion.
@vladyslavkarpenko9372
@vladyslavkarpenko9372 Жыл бұрын
The so called by russian propaghanda "strong far right element" didn't take any seat in Ukrainian parliament on 2019 election. They gathered less then 5 % of support in Ukraine. So that's definitely fake narration to "justify" de facto imperialistic invasion of the sovereign country.
@jamescole8388
@jamescole8388 Жыл бұрын
B/S Ukraine and Russia already had a negotiation...until the west and NATO squashed it....why? Because it is the west that wants to cripple Russia and have been working towards it since Putin became president...why because Putin would not allow the west to manipulate Russia as Yeltsin did....who has exspanded borders before 2014? Russia?
@alanchoichang8336
@alanchoichang8336 Жыл бұрын
"one country can't justify the invasion of another, just because they believe the government is aggressive in its civil conflict..." ahh, very true words that should be adhered by all...
@Dildobagginses
@Dildobagginses Жыл бұрын
Should have flown a plane into a tower first I guess, right?
@fsdds1488
@fsdds1488 Жыл бұрын
Ironically for most part of history this kind of justification is very common, especially on religious grounds, and not until Westphalia when countries start to recognise the idea of non-intervention.
@malekint
@malekint Жыл бұрын
​@@fsdds1488it has largely done by western countries in 20th/21th
@SquadTwelve12
@SquadTwelve12 Жыл бұрын
I think you made some good points however you didn't talk about the geopolitics. How the Americans and their European counterparts meddled in Ukrainian politics. How ursula von der leyen her self admitted that the Minsk agreement was a lie, how they have been preparing for a war with Russia. Please talk about the whole situation and bring light to it. Because a lot of people are just listening to western propaganda and not doing their history research.
@richardgietzen4591
@richardgietzen4591 2 жыл бұрын
Ok : I like your style and presentation . Perhaps the NATO argument is the strongest . Question : Why was NATO created and now that the ( Cold WAR ) is over does NATO have a ( mission ). At the end the ( cold war ) wasn't Russia promised that if they ( peacefully ) withdrew from Eastern Europe, NATO would not extend into Eastern Europe. That promise was broken . NATO an organization conceived purely as a ( defensive alliance ) in recent years invaded countries that possed not threat to a NATO member. You are fimular with the ( Monroe doctrine ). America claims to have the right to get involve in the ( internal affairs ) of any country in the Western Hemisphere if it feels it' s ( national interests ) are threatened. I don't think I need to remind you how many time in the last 125 years America has invaded countries in the Western Hemisphere / overthrown democraticly elected governments / murdered leaders / imposed ruthless dictators / boycotted / blockaded countries , all in the name of ( American National Interest) . Perhaps Russia should sign a ( mutual defence treaty ) with Cuba , like Ukraine it's a sovereign nation and has that right , and you will not disagree that Cuba has just cause for doing so. America has tried to ( murder ) it leader on numerous times , trained an invading army of ( counter revolutionaries ) boycotted / blockaded Cuba and been hostel in every way possible. Oh : Cuba did that , remember the ( Cuban missle crisis ) I don't understand Cuba like the Ukraine had every right to form an alliance with Russia hum : I sense a ( double standard here ) . Well after a look at NATO' s history of ( aggressive ) military behaviour , since the end of the ( Cold War ) if I was,Putin , I wouldn't want NATO on my border . Also if the ( Monroe Doctrine ) works for America and the world . Perhaps Russia should adopt the ( Putin Doctrine ) , if it works for the ( freedom loving / justice seeking ) Democracy of America it works for Russia. Now if America can tolerated Saudi Arabia, there ( absolute rulers / horrible human rights record / invasion if Neighbor / possession of atomic weapons ) well why have a problem with Russis.
@REA.Design.Studio
@REA.Design.Studio 2 жыл бұрын
Russia or Soviet Union was not promised by NATO that NATO was not going to expand eastwards. You are most likely getting that from Gorbachev which Gorbachev himself said it was untrue. You are also talking about NATO's aggressive behaviour yet NATO has not invaded any of the countries it currently operates in. Any country that was accepted into NATO was with the consent of that nation as well as every nation in the NATO. NATO is a defensive allegiance and has not invaded any eastern european nation, as opposed to russia which have invaded georgia and ukraine and threatens to invade many others. Other whataboutisms are not even worth responding.
@richardgietzen4591
@richardgietzen4591 2 жыл бұрын
Interesting so having NATO troops invade Afghanistan / Libya is not aggressive . I remember the end of the( cold war ) when Russia peacefully with drew its troops back to Russia. I remember why those troops where in Eastern Europe / ww2 invasion of Russia 25 million Russians died. Does that sound fimular to you. I do remember the talk in congress of withdrawing troops out of Europe , I do remember the talk in congress of their being no need for NATO , I do remember the talk about the ( peace dividend ) . As a veteran of 8 years service I followed this closely . But then the American Defense Industry work loose all those very lucrative contracts . Death and distraction is quite profitable , so for a while America has no ( evil empire ) to hate.
@danjacobs6219
@danjacobs6219 2 жыл бұрын
Strongest rebuttal on here that I have seen. Of course none of us want Russia to invade Ukraine but we do have to pay attention to what happens in the past as you stated and I heard similar things from a professor as well that support your work. Every country is looking out for their best interest, it is hard to justify a country can do it while others can’t.
@adavidavis2762
@adavidavis2762 2 жыл бұрын
You say people were willing to negotiate with Russia in the days before the war but Russia was very clear that for negotiations to happen, a guarantee that Ukraine would not join NATO had to be on the table. Even until the last day before the war our politicians were calling that an unacceptable demand. We were clearly unwilling to negotiate, our "negotiations" would not have included recognising Crimea as pat of Russia or limiting NATO expansion or allowing greater formal autonomy for Russian breakaway regions. Negotiations are give and take and we were not willing to meet any of Russia's core concerns. When viewed through this lens, we were not so much calling for negotiation as we were commanding Russia to back off and accept the status quo. It's easy to call for peace and stability when you are on top. Peace and stability in an unfair system just keeps the oppressed from changing their circumstances if those above them are not willing to let them right themselves.
@adamperdue3178
@adamperdue3178 2 жыл бұрын
The guarantee that Ukraine would not join NATO was certainly not the only demand. Russia sent a list of 9 demands to the U.S., including 1) that Ukraine must not allowed be allowed to join NATO (as mentioned) 2) That NATO may no longer add ANY more countries to itself. 3) That NATO must pull all troops back from all territory that was added post-1991 (meaning effectively a withdraw from Eastern Europe + the Balkans) 4) Russia will only negotiate with the U.S., France, and the U.K., and other NATO members must be excluded from the discussion. All 4 of which are inherently unreasonable. And yes, they are unreasonable, as no country has the right to dictate how two other countries (willingly) act towards each other.
@VladimirStevanoviclennon33
@VladimirStevanoviclennon33 2 жыл бұрын
Finally, let someone get to the heart of the matter. But you miss the essence and the need of Russia to protect its borders from NATO expansion. In November and December 2021, Putin sent a letter with 6 NATO requests. They did not answer ....
@vultureTX001
@vultureTX001 2 жыл бұрын
those letters were a PRETEXT for the invasion, Putin starting moving assets to border in August 2021. (love all those satellites taking pictures daily)
@michaelbiedassek7136
@michaelbiedassek7136 Жыл бұрын
John Mearsheimer is another good one to listen to when it comes to analyzing the runup to the invasion.
@atlanticdriftfishing6451
@atlanticdriftfishing6451 Жыл бұрын
I think this creator would have a different conclusion should he examine Mearsheimer’s 2015 lecture on this topic. There is plenty of history omitted from this discussion. Such as removing a pro Russian elected leader via a CIA organised coup d’etat, the history of NATO and the west assuring that they wouldn’t expand and then doing exactly that. Then you have profiteering from conflict. The west is very good at orchestrating a cassus belli, and making itself look innocent. There is responsibility on all sides. I see Ukraine like the latest spot for a proxy war, superpowers are like tectonic plates and this is just the latest spot for their game of domination. The Ukranian people are the victims and those having to fight.
@bernardzsikla5640
@bernardzsikla5640 Жыл бұрын
Mr. Mearsheimer is an apologist and believes that NATO is an actual threat to Russian security. Even at the hight on the cold war, the only objective of NATO was to slow down the Russians until the Americans could mobilize. Mr. Mearsheimer's logic is the same as used with Nazi Germany in the late 1930's I believe Mr. Mearsheimer views will age as well as ambassador sir Neville Henderson and prime minister chamberlain.
@agh0x01
@agh0x01 4 ай бұрын
@@atlanticdriftfishing6451 "CIA organised coup d'état", my word. Why do you so readily deny Ukrainians' agency? Do you really have difficulty understanding why Ukraine might want to lean towards the EU over an increasingly authoritarian and revanchist Russia?
@proselytizingorthodoxpente8304
@proselytizingorthodoxpente8304 2 ай бұрын
Putin spelled out his reasons in his 5,000 word essay you mention. He considers Ukraine to be part of Russia. And he would do so regardless of the existence of NATO.
@Pengochan
@Pengochan 2 жыл бұрын
11:00 I don't think that a good argument, since the world was "paying attention" to some degree to the situation in the Ukraine for several years now, yet the development has gone steadily against Russian interests. All diplomatic efforts at best stalled that development briefly. And let's not forget the U.S. involvement in the recent political developments in the Ukraine as documented by the Nuland phone call. How justified were the U.S. kindling the conflict in the Ukraine that led to the present situation. After that Russia was presented with a fait accompli, and Putin didn't want to be presented with another done deal. Another thing to consider is momentum. The decision to start a large scale conflict like the Ukraine-Russian war isn't as momentous as it seems. The hesitancy of western countries to get involved in that war shows the problem: They first need to get enough backing by their citizens, without that support they will lose power, and that also applies to Putin. But that support will wane over time, so it represents a window of opportunity. Also the estimate of the geopolitical meaning of the Ukraine should include its economic meaning (a) because of the oil pipelines running through it and maybe more importantly (b) its importance as "breadbasket of Europe". Note that all of the previous is based on a perspective of "global politics", the same global politics that is the basis for the wars in Irak, Libya, Syria, just to name a few. So while Putin should be condemned for starting that war in Ukraine, the same standards leading to that condemnation should also apply to U.S. and NATO involvements and wars in recent years and even more so in the future.
@hrogarfyrninga3238
@hrogarfyrninga3238 2 жыл бұрын
Condemnation followed very quickly
@Pengochan
@Pengochan 2 жыл бұрын
@@hrogarfyrninga3238 Sadly without effect, and at best sparsely from the established media, which is why, despite some condemnation, U.S. and NATO just did the same over and over again to several coutries.
@hrogarfyrninga3238
@hrogarfyrninga3238 2 жыл бұрын
@@Pengochan The US paid for the war in economic terms (cost them several trillion dollars) and they severely tarnished their reputation with it. They also never launched a full scale invasion and occupation ever since, rather focusing on limited scope military support or operations. Not saying what they're doing is good, however it's something all great powers tend to do. Russia has been doing plenty of that too and there was no big global reaction.
@Pengochan
@Pengochan 2 жыл бұрын
@@hrogarfyrninga3238 The U.S. tax payers paid. A lot of weapons manufacturers and defense contractors made a lot of money (and a part of that money is paid back for political campaigns of Republicans and Democrats alike, even if that's just a small part that results in huge paychecks), but all that is beside the point. Apparently we agree that starting wars, even despite there may be a dplomatic way to avoid them is part of global politics by global powers. That's not a good thing but sadly reality. So the question if Putin was "justified" is the wrong question here, and very subjective anyways. The proper question is: What should have been expected of him, could the U.S. and NATO have choosen another course long before to reduce the likelihood of that invasion, and why didn't they? That Putin / Russia is the main culprit for the invasion is pretty obvious, but how much did the U.S. and NATO contribute to the situation?
@hrogarfyrninga3238
@hrogarfyrninga3238 2 жыл бұрын
@@Pengochan From what I can gather, Putin feels threatened by the mere existence of a Ukraine that isn't politically under is control. Unfortunately for him, Russia signed an agreement guaranteeing its independence. At a time, Ukraine had basically no army, he took away part of its territory. That was the point that showed the world he would take whatever he wanted i it wasn't sufficiently defended. The only thing that may have stopped him is massive deterrence or the creation of a puppet regime like in Belarus. The latter wasn't an option for the Ukrainians. Since they decided to defend themselves as a sovereign nation and didn't want to align with Russia, I don't see what NATO could have done to prevent this situation. NATO likely assumed Putin was a rational man and would not attack, considering the size of the Ukrainian army and the scale of its territory. Putin gambled on the assumptions he made according to the information given to him, both were flawed. Additionally, he has certain beliefs about Russia's history and it's place in the world that don't align with reality. Invading for him also helped seize back power he had lost within the regime. I don't know what kind of deterrents would have needed to be in place for Putin not to take this step. In his mind, he would easily and quickly have overrun Ukrainian defences, taken Kiev, captured Zelensky and installed a puppet regime before anyone could have intervened in time.
@cdanielh128
@cdanielh128 2 жыл бұрын
I think with so much US presence in Ukraine it has led to the honest concern that Putin feels. Let's not also forget he is getting up and age and is thinking of his legacy as well. Ukraine is divided culturally by those who identify as Ukrainian by culture and nationality and those who identify as Russian by culture and Ukrainian by nationality. This can give him an out locally if he succeeds. I think the war is pretty much a wrap and Russia has it in the bag. That being said he is not interested in anything past the river. He will say he was a liberator, a protector against the US pawn that was the Ukraine government and his legacy is that he brought expansion to Russia overall just as the former great leaders did in the past. I feel the US government pushed him for this war by offering not just country supporting loans but also training and soon it would have been long reach military infrastructure. I find it interesting that as both Ukraine and Russia have played the victim here and played dirty as the UN investigations have shown, I think peace could be on the table but the US will not offer it. He knows that Zelenskyy is beholden to the US and Western money from others and cannot back down unless they say so. We are seeing Boris Johnson stepping down and I believe others will as everyone wants peace now. I hope someone can make it happen. It is truly the Ukrainians who suffer for all of those who played with their lives because of global politics.
@xanazf
@xanazf 2 жыл бұрын
it didn't hold up at all, eh? Finland joined NATO and russia just huffed and puffed a little bit
@HelliarCOH
@HelliarCOH 2 жыл бұрын
This was excellent. An unbiased, intellectual, honest analysis of the situation. Thank you very much.
@kaiki8490
@kaiki8490 2 жыл бұрын
Graham Phillips kzbin.info/www/bejne/faXbeZ-Fmd5pnM0
@kaiki8490
@kaiki8490 2 жыл бұрын
new york time satellite investigation kzbin.info/www/bejne/bZmqnpZqiqyZjdU
@kaiki8490
@kaiki8490 2 жыл бұрын
Donbass 8yrs of war Anne Laure Bonnel kzbin.info/www/bejne/mH-ZaYKce7CUjdU
@kaiki8490
@kaiki8490 2 жыл бұрын
BBC newsnight 24 jul 2015 Far right groups threaten to overthrow govt kzbin.info/www/bejne/qXaugqakh6ypbdU
@beastmode6609
@beastmode6609 2 жыл бұрын
he's definitely biased, everyone has theirs.
@Nazisrael97537
@Nazisrael97537 2 ай бұрын
You just told a blatantly explicit lie concerning negotiations between Russia and Ukraine, they both had a talk literally days before the invasions. When the president Putin invoked the national security issues regarding NATO's potentially deployed weapons by Russia's borders, Zelenskyy rejected any compromisation or negotiation concerning the topic saying "Ukraine is an independent country and has the right to its choice whether to join NATO or not". Blatant lies do not change truth even if well produced!
@sirjaymacthegreat
@sirjaymacthegreat Ай бұрын
Well said, while I like his educational videos, I also listen to his disclaimer at the beginning and read for myself….he clearly presents his bias when saying things like “I am not going to get into that” - why not Ryan? Is it because of the double standards? Willful ignorance only creates a biased perception of reality…😅
@gramioerie_xi133
@gramioerie_xi133 2 күн бұрын
@@sirjaymacthegreat You know Russia has (according to the United Nations) destroyed or, quote, ‘damaged beyond repair’ roughly _80-95%_ of all the buildings in the city of Mariupol? Within the first three months of the war? That was a city with a pre-war population greater than 39/50 U.S _state capitals._ And it’s just fucking gone. It got Dresden’d. It got Hamburg’d. Berlin’d, Warsaw’d, Stalingrad’d, Rotterdam’d, fucking _Hiroshima’d._ It’s just gone. Over 200 schools were hit within the first _three months_ of the war. The United Nations estimates over _10,000 cases of rape._ Civilian casualties likely exceed the amount of people that have died in fucking _Gaza,_ for goodness sake. We have _dozens_ of cases, all spread out, of Russian soldiers firing upon civilian vehicles. Kharkiv has been struck with over a _dozen_ missile strikes _every single day_ for over a _year_ now, almost all of which go on to strike purely civilian targets. According to the World Health Organization (WHO), as of the 4th of April, 2024, Russia has bombed roughly ~1,682 hospitals and healthcare facilities in Ukraine. Over _1,500 hospitals and healthcare facilities._ Like, holy fucking shit. Ukrainian POWs are being released severely malnourished and mistreated. I watched a video of over a hundred Ukrainian POWs exiting a bus after finally arriving back in Ukraine following a prisoner swap, and I do not exaggerate when I say that every single one of them looked like they just walked out of fucking _Auschwitz._ I’m serious. I actually went and compared real photos of Auschwitz prisoners out of disbelief, and I’m dead serious when I say they looked almost identical. Russia has been deliberately targeting energy infrastructure throughout the winter, and almost every single fucking day they hit another apartment complex. The global community overwhelmingly agrees they have been, and currently are, targeting highway intersections at rush hour. They are also being tried for simply fighting- which is a war crime. So is driving around in vehicles marked as ambulances, but we have photos of Russia doing that. We have Ukrainian civilians being forced to wear Russian uniforms so they get shot at by Ukrainian troops while they dig mass graves to put the bodies of _other_ Ukrainian civilians who died being forced to dig trenches. Tens of thousands of Ukrainian children have been kidnapped and deported to what are literally called ‘re-education’ camps within Russia- hastily made prisons built out of former convention centres, and the like. There are dozens of reports of them being forced to listen to the Russian national anthem on repeat, being forbidden to speak Ukrainian, being told their parents abandoned them, etc. Do you not know just how many people… children, even… report not just witnessing torture take place, but _being_ tortured, personally? The sheer rate of human right abuses in these ‘re-education camps’ is actually fucking unfathonable. There are _dozens,_ fucking _dozens_ of cases of them launching missiles at civilian structures, and then launching a _second_ missile roughly 30 minutes after. All the time. Over and over and over again. This is clearly an attempt to kill firefighters and medical workers- it’s called a ‘double-tap’ strike. Torture chambers are found en-masse wherever Ukraine liberates territory. I know of videos of fucking _children,_ crying, while confessing to having been tortured there. Apparently, the torture rooms for _children_ are just the same as the others… with the exception that they have _carpet._ That’s the difference. I remember reading testimony (from a fucking _child,_ my god), about a guy he saw hanging from the ceiling, suspended by hooks in his body, with blood pooling half an inch deep on the floor. We have mass graves filled with literally hundreds of civilian bodies, many with their hands bound, being found in liberated territories. Bucha wasn’t the only massacre… it’s just the most well-known. Every other day we detect a new one that wasn’t there yesterday suddenly appearing in the occupied territories- ominously filled in holes in church yards and stuff. We see them appear on satellite feed. How do you explain a hole in the ground filled with 500 dead civilians… curiously, where 95% of which were women? Ages ranged from 80 year old grandmas to 6 year old girls. I’ve literally seen fucking photos of it. There are videos, made by Russian soldiers, of them openly laughing about the war crimes they have committed. We have leaked footage of a Russian teleconference call literally discussing the logistics of kidnapping children. Russian state-owned media regularly features people openly advocating for the deliberate murder of literally millions of Ukrainians. I remember one clip I watched of someone suggesting Russian soldiers systematically drown Ukrainian children in the Dnipro river. Putin literally denies the existence of a Ukrainian identity. An article was published exactly 48 hours after the start of the war, on the dot, by Russian state-owned media. It called for, quote, the ‘liquidation’ of the Ukrainian leadership; referred to, quote, the ‘Ukrainian Question’ (sound familiar?); and celebrated the assimilation and obliteration of Ukrainian culture. An exact quote is ‘did the old fools at Berlin and Paris think Kyiv would forever remain out of Russian hands? That the Russians would forever remain a divided people?’. Said article was taken down a few hours later, so clearly it was leaked by accident. Thankfully, it’s available on the Internet archive. It also talked about Ukraine in past-tense, so it was likely published automatically, and intended to as a celebration for when Russia conquered Ukraine, which explains the to-the-minute perfect timing. It also just goes to show they really did intend to conquer Ukraine in mere days. Which makes sense, we found parade uniforms in the 60 kilometer long tank column that rode in a straight line directly towards Kyiv from the minute the war began, after all. You know, the one Ukraine blunted entirely? We have over a dozen instances of Ukrainian soldiers being castrated- one of them was caught on video, for the love of god. There is literally a fucking example of Ukrainian civilians being murdered in a literally fucking gas chamber by a Russian general. But it’s just the one example, so no biggie, right? There were photos that surfaced of a Ukrainian soldier, whose head was _fucking decapitated and impaled upon a stick_ outside of Bakhmut. They literally _directly_ struck a tiny, 5x5 meter large _Holocaust Memorial,_ in the middle of an empty field, with no other buildings of any kind around for _ten miles._ It was just a small circle with a statue in the middle, dedicated to a massacre that occurred in that very field, miles away from civilization. It was less than five meters wide, and yet the _very top of the statue_ was _directly_ struck by a _precision guided missile,_ blowing it to pieces. A fucking _Holocaust Memorial._ What does all that tell you?
@gramioerie_xi133
@gramioerie_xi133 2 күн бұрын
You know Russia has (according to the United Nations) destroyed or, quote, ‘damaged beyond repair’ roughly _80-95%_ of all the buildings in the city of Mariupol? Within the first three months of the war? That was a city with a pre-war population greater than 39/50 U.S _state capitals._ And it’s just fucking gone. It got Dresden’d. It got Hamburg’d. Berlin’d, Warsaw’d, Stalingrad’d, Rotterdam’d, fucking _Hiroshima’d._ It’s just gone. Over 200 schools were hit within the first _three months_ of the war. The United Nations estimates over _10,000 cases of rape._ Civilian casualties likely exceed the amount of people that have died in fucking _Gaza,_ for goodness sake. We have _dozens_ of cases, all spread out, of Russian soldiers firing upon civilian vehicles. Kharkiv has been struck with over a _dozen_ missile strikes _every single day_ for over a _year_ now, almost all of which go on to strike purely civilian targets. According to the World Health Organization (WHO), as of the 4th of April, 2024, Russia has bombed roughly ~1,682 hospitals and healthcare facilities in Ukraine. Over _1,500 hospitals and healthcare facilities._ Like, holy fucking shit. Ukrainian POWs are being released severely malnourished and mistreated. I watched a video of over a hundred Ukrainian POWs exiting a bus after finally arriving back in Ukraine following a prisoner swap, and I do not exaggerate when I say that every single one of them looked like they just walked out of fucking _Auschwitz._ I’m serious. I actually went and compared real photos of Auschwitz prisoners out of disbelief, and I’m dead serious when I say they looked almost identical. Russia has been deliberately targeting energy infrastructure throughout the winter, and almost every single fucking day they hit another apartment complex. The global community overwhelmingly agrees they have been, and currently are, targeting highway intersections at rush hour. They are also being tried for simply fighting- which is a war crime. So is driving around in vehicles marked as ambulances, but we have photos of Russia doing that. We have Ukrainian civilians being forced to wear Russian uniforms so they get shot at by Ukrainian troops while they dig mass graves to put the bodies of _other_ Ukrainian civilians who died being forced to dig trenches. Tens of thousands of Ukrainian children have been kidnapped and deported to what are literally called ‘re-education’ camps within Russia- hastily made prisons built out of former convention centres, and the like. There are dozens of reports of them being forced to listen to the Russian national anthem on repeat, being forbidden to speak Ukrainian, being told their parents abandoned them, etc. Do you not know just how many people… children, even… report not just witnessing torture take place, but _being_ tortured, personally? The sheer rate of human right abuses in these ‘re-education camps’ is actually fucking unfathonable. There are _dozens,_ fucking _dozens_ of cases of them launching missiles at civilian structures, and then launching a _second_ missile roughly 30 minutes after. All the time. Over and over and over again. This is clearly an attempt to kill firefighters and medical workers- it’s called a ‘double-tap’ strike. Torture chambers are found en-masse wherever Ukraine liberates territory. I know of videos of fucking _children,_ crying, while confessing to having been tortured there. Apparently, the torture rooms for _children_ are just the same as the others… with the exception that they have _carpet._ That’s the difference. I remember reading testimony (from a fucking _child,_ my god), about a guy he saw hanging from the ceiling, suspended by hooks in his body, with blood pooling half an inch deep on the floor. We have mass graves filled with literally hundreds of civilian bodies, many with their hands bound, being found in liberated territories. Bucha wasn’t the only massacre… it’s just the most well-known. Every other day we detect a new one that wasn’t there yesterday suddenly appearing in the occupied territories- ominously filled in holes in church yards and stuff. We see them appear on satellite feed. How do you explain a hole in the ground filled with 500 dead civilians… curiously, where 95% of which were women? Ages ranged from 80 year old grandmas to 6 year old girls. I’ve literally seen fucking photos of it. There are videos, made by Russian soldiers, of them openly laughing about the war crimes they have committed. We have leaked footage of a Russian teleconference call literally discussing the logistics of kidnapping children. Russian state-owned media regularly features people openly advocating for the deliberate murder of literally millions of Ukrainians. I remember one clip I watched of someone suggesting Russian soldiers systematically drown Ukrainian children in the Dnipro river. Putin literally denies the existence of a Ukrainian identity. An article was published exactly 48 hours after the start of the war, on the dot, by Russian state-owned media. It called for, quote, the ‘liquidation’ of the Ukrainian leadership; referred to, quote, the ‘Ukrainian Question’ (sound familiar?); and celebrated the assimilation and obliteration of Ukrainian culture. An exact quote is ‘did the old fools at Berlin and Paris think Kyiv would forever remain out of Russian hands? That the Russians would forever remain a divided people?’. Said article was taken down a few hours later, so clearly it was leaked by accident. Thankfully, it’s available on the Internet archive. It also talked about Ukraine in past-tense, so it was likely published automatically, and intended to as a celebration for when Russia conquered Ukraine, which explains the to-the-minute perfect timing. It also just goes to show they really did intend to conquer Ukraine in mere days. Which makes sense, we found parade uniforms in the 60 kilometer long tank column that rode in a straight line directly towards Kyiv from the minute the war began, after all. You know, the one Ukraine blunted entirely? We have over a dozen instances of Ukrainian soldiers being castrated- one of them was caught on video, for the love of god. There is literally a fucking example of Ukrainian civilians being murdered in a literally fucking gas chamber by a Russian general. But it’s just the one example, so no biggie, right? There were photos that surfaced of a Ukrainian soldier, whose head was _fucking decapitated and impaled upon a stick_ outside of Bakhmut. They literally _directly_ struck a tiny, 5x5 meter large _Holocaust Memorial,_ in the middle of an empty field, with no other buildings of any kind around for _ten miles._ It was just a small circle with a statue in the middle, dedicated to a massacre that occurred in that very field, miles away from civilization. It was less than five meters wide, and yet the _very top of the statue_ was _directly_ struck by a _precision guided missile,_ blowing it to pieces. A fucking _Holocaust Memorial._ What does all that tell you?
@oleksandraboychenko
@oleksandraboychenko 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your content. Your analysis is quite good :) one correction - i know facts are important to you - Ukraine most certainly has not been in a "messy civil war". This is straight out of Russia's propaganda glossary.
@sharwama992
@sharwama992 2 жыл бұрын
💀 Ukraine has been in a civil war for the past 8 years in the Donbas What the fuck are you saying
@Larkinchance
@Larkinchance 2 жыл бұрын
At the Soviet collapse, Ukraine emerged as an independent nation without blood shed or resistance. In hindsight it was sudden and not carefully negotiated..
@raydavison4288
@raydavison4288 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you, Ryan. You are a talented analyst. I don't always agree with you, though I do in this instance, but I am always interested in what you have to say.
@achatcueilleur5746
@achatcueilleur5746 11 ай бұрын
Facts: Ukraine is a member of the UN and has representative in UN head quarters in NYC since 1945. Russian Federation is a member of the UN and has representative in UN head quarters in NYC since 1991. Soviet Socialist Republic of Ukraine and Russian Soviet Federal Socialist Republic gained their independence from the USSR on the same day.
@fortunefair
@fortunefair 10 ай бұрын
The soviet manipulation of UN involves a bunch of areas which are all centrally controlled by soviet Intelligence pretending to be independent so they can pad their stats basically. They still do this. United Nations is inherently a communist concept, as it is an unelected world government.
@casiofigueroa5627
@casiofigueroa5627 6 ай бұрын
OMG THANK YOU VERY MUCH!!! this conflict is not black and white!! I've been saying this!!! Incredible video!!!!
@brandonmalone1893
@brandonmalone1893 Жыл бұрын
Absolutely justified
@buturum6540
@buturum6540 Жыл бұрын
Simple answer: No
@americansoccerunited
@americansoccerunited 4 ай бұрын
Putin seems to talk about Ukraine the same way Hitler spoke about Austria...
@maxmadonov4549
@maxmadonov4549 4 ай бұрын
Exactly!
@joannarosemaquiran
@joannarosemaquiran 3 ай бұрын
@@maxmadonov4549 yes and after that he will always find excuse
@kidusabebe6634
@kidusabebe6634 3 ай бұрын
How....they brought nato to his doorstep and are surprised he reacted...hypocrite
@felipesoares5900
@felipesoares5900 3 ай бұрын
Hey man, Hitler breathed air too, watch out now
@maxsk9074
@maxsk9074 3 ай бұрын
the difference is that the anschluss war fine
@kszatmary
@kszatmary 2 жыл бұрын
My maternal grandparents were Ukrainians who immigrated to the United States some time prior to World War I. Prior to the War, Ukrainians living in Europe did not have a state of their own; rather, they resided mostly in Austria-Hungary or in Russia. In getting to know my grandparents from early childhood forward, I was acutely aware that they regarded themselves as ethnically Ukrainian, with a distinct language, culture and sense of national "self" that was distinct from, albeit related to, that of Russia. If from the standpoint of childhood ignorance you asked them if they were Russian they would rebuke you, emphasizing that they were Ukrainian. My experience with my grandparents and with the community of Ukrainian immigrants and second- and third-generation Americans of Ukrainian ancestry in my hometown, all sharing that sense of Ukrainian nationhood (not statehood, mind you, but of being a unique nation or people) leads me to reject Putin's first argument.
@theartemisgland
@theartemisgland 2 жыл бұрын
Could it be that your absence from life of Ukraine as a nation generates compensatory balancing which attempts to strengthen your ties to ti given that US encourages such hereditary consciousness in its citizenry?
@sharondavid-melly1498
@sharondavid-melly1498 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your explanation 👍 Glory to Ukraine 😍 💕
@PvblivsAelivs
@PvblivsAelivs 2 жыл бұрын
To a large degree, Putin is throwing things at the wall to see if anything sticks. It is the third argument, that Russia is threatened, that I agree with, but that I am surprised that Putin made. (I would expect him to perceive that as making him look weak.) All rhetoric aside, the primary purpose of NATO is to eliminate Russia as what is left of the Soviet Union. It is not my place here to say whether that is a good or a bad thing. But it is obvious that survival instinct would dictate that Putin oppose it. And NATO encroaching on Russia's doorstep is the Cuban missile crisis in reverse. I would suggest that most people who say the invasion was unjustified simply believe Russia has no right to exist, but would shy away from saying it so bluntly.
@katalinkiss120
@katalinkiss120 2 жыл бұрын
The Ukraine literally means the Borderland. Whose borderland was it? Kiev was the Russian capital and moved to Moscow when the Ottomans threatened invasion. Other slavic and germanic people immigrated later. As Putin said - they are related by history and blood
@matehavlik4559
@matehavlik4559 2 жыл бұрын
Why do you have a Hungarian name then?
@CelticMorning
@CelticMorning 2 жыл бұрын
"They are our brothers, same family." So lets make war on them!! Seems a strange reckoning.
@318h7
@318h7 5 ай бұрын
I believe the historical mistake Putin refers to is not the independence of Ukraine gained in 1991. But the “creation of Ukraine by Lenin”. It’s popular narative that neglects the existance of Ukrainians and claims that the language was artificially created. And so was the country that supposedly never existed was created by Lenin.
@poushie1233
@poushie1233 2 ай бұрын
There was also a Ukrainian state during the civil war
@warmike
@warmike 2 ай бұрын
​​@@poushie1233so were a Kuban state, a Crimea state, a North Karelia state and many others... It was one of many nonviable statelets created in the chaos of the Russian revolutuon that died as it settled down and went into obscurity.
@EUROPA-THE-LAST-BATTL
@EUROPA-THE-LAST-BATTL Ай бұрын
Watch Europa @ the@last@battle Everyone it’s all there.
@fh5926
@fh5926 Жыл бұрын
Using Putin's logic, we should have attacked the USSR when we had a monopoly on nuclear weapons based on the suspicion that they might become an existential threat in the future. Maybe we should have bombed China when the USSR wanted us to so they didn't become an existential threat. Peter Zeihan has a hypothesis that Russia is attacking because it sees imminent demographic decline and it had to attack now because in the future, it would be unable to do so. So they must extend their borders to more defensible locations, plug certain natural invasion routes, and create defensive depth. If Ukraine fell, Moldova would be next, and then he'd do to the Baltics what he did to the Donbas. Putin thinks of the West as weak, corrupt, and too hedonistic to stand up to him. My own feeling is that Putin envisions himself as Peter the Great mixed with a bit of Stalin. He is permanently locked into a Cold War mindset where the West is terminally weak and decadent but ideologically threatening. We were all deluded into thinking Russia had the 2nd best military in the world, and he shared that delusion. He also had a delusion that Ukraine was going to roll over and play dead. Putin's psychology is not to negotiate for something when he thinks he can just take it. I don't believe he feared the West for a heartbeat. We all thought he had a military far superior to any individual military in Europe and more nuclear weapons than would be needed to deter any invasion. Ukraine was never getting into NATO. He had a grip on Europe's energy. NATO was braindead and it will be all over before the divided and narcissistic Americans can get their act together. He was given the information he wanted to hear and believed it without question because he needed it to be the truth.
@hauskalainen
@hauskalainen 3 ай бұрын
Russia now has a much longer border with NATO since Finland joined NATO. Which happened precisely because Russia invaded Ukraine. As Homer Simpson would say... "Doh !"
@robertbones326
@robertbones326 3 ай бұрын
😂😂😂
@bigpapa1954
@bigpapa1954 2 ай бұрын
Yeah, Putin should have stopped advertising NATO if he didn't want it to grow. But instead he is undertaking the biggest ad campaign for NATO in history.
@dumkastriker
@dumkastriker 2 ай бұрын
Finland was never a friendly nation to them. Finland was on Nazi side in WW2. There are no family or cultural connections between Russians and Finns. So all in all Finland was treated by Russia as a potential enemy all along.
@sharrk_34
@sharrk_34 2 ай бұрын
With their Ukraine invasion, Russia also now has a direct land bridge to crimea and so access to the Black Sea. With their naval base in Syria, that gives them even further influence in the Mediterranean. Their geopolitical aims are levels beyond what you know.
@hauskalainen
@hauskalainen 2 ай бұрын
@@sharrk_34 your geography is shocking .... Russia had access to the black sea without taking Ukraine.
@bradactual
@bradactual 2 жыл бұрын
you had me at your disclaimer. It's just my 2nd video of your to watch. Direct and clear. lovin' it
@MarkCox21125150
@MarkCox21125150 2 ай бұрын
Same
@zachg9065
@zachg9065 2 ай бұрын
The days of marching into a country and saying "this land is ours now and if you don't like it we are going to fight for it" are long gone now. Putin is 100% wrong. Just let the Ukrainians live in peace.
@AlexanderOkuonghae
@AlexanderOkuonghae 2 жыл бұрын
Great. The world needs unbiased clarifications such as the one being related to us in this platform. Both sides of the story.
@romany8125
@romany8125 2 жыл бұрын
When you see a person being mercilessly beaten or a woman raped, do you intervene or wait till you get both sides of the story?
@kaiki8490
@kaiki8490 2 жыл бұрын
For all the facts. Look up utube The Grayzone with Max Blumenthal, The New Atlas with Brian Berletic, Patrick Lancaster, George Galloway, Graham Phillips. I will post some of their links in the next comment in case utube deletes
@kaiki8490
@kaiki8490 2 жыл бұрын
Also Jimmy Dore
@kaiki8490
@kaiki8490 2 жыл бұрын
BBC Newsnight 1mar2014 Neo nazi threat in new ukraine kzbin.info/www/bejne/a4SloGOXoMp3g7s
@Cappuccino_Rabbit
@Cappuccino_Rabbit 2 жыл бұрын
@@romany8125 and what point do you wanna make here, mind i ask? Comparing a war where you can't even intervene and only watch one or both sides with something you could and naturally would intervene doesn't sound fair or relatable at all And either way, let's say we could stop the guy who was beating the guy or "doing" the women, we (or maybe just the police) could still interrogate him and see their perspective (not trying to say rape and beating someone to death is something justified tho, just like this war, everyone is technically in the wrong)
@ОлгаЦветковић
@ОлгаЦветковић 2 ай бұрын
Could you do a video on if the NATO aggression on Yugoslavia in 1999 was justified?
@robertbones326
@robertbones326 2 ай бұрын
Why can't you make it yourself?
@ОлгаЦветковић
@ОлгаЦветковић 2 ай бұрын
@@robertbones326 I'm not really a youtuber, I'm just giving a suggestion, is there a problem?
@robertbones326
@robertbones326 2 ай бұрын
​@@ОлгаЦветковић Why is it important?
@SusCalvin
@SusCalvin 20 күн бұрын
I think EU inaction at the ethnic cleansing next doors was shameful.
@robertbones326
@robertbones326 20 күн бұрын
@@SusCalvin Says an anonymous user with no experience in foreign policy what so ever.
@JimmyEatDirt
@JimmyEatDirt 14 күн бұрын
0:00 No You're welcome, have a good night. Слава Україні
@JeepCherokeeful
@JeepCherokeeful 2 жыл бұрын
Nice way to treat “family”
@mistasomen
@mistasomen 2 жыл бұрын
A small observation regarding the NATO point: Russia has never been invaded since NATO was formed (but, as a side note, has happily invaded other countries). If you look back at the last 220 or so years, the time with NATO is actually the longest time period for Russia without getting invaded. 1812 Napoleon 1853 Turkey in the Crimea 1905 Japan in Manchuria 1914 Germany & Co in WW1 1941 Germany & Co in WW2 Now that's not an argument in and of itself, as there are many other factors than NATO playing I to that, but still important to note. It just makes Putin's whole NATO-is-such-a-threat rhetoric a little less persuasive.
@danjacobs6219
@danjacobs6219 2 жыл бұрын
Now let’s take in the fact that nato was created to keep Russia from expanding. We can easily see how much nato has expanded, slowly inching closer to Russia. There were past agreement made for nato to not keep expanding toward Russia borders. No country wants a threat at there border. The Cuban missile crisis didn’t go well. There is a professor on KZbin who talks about the complicated problem but it is worth looking into to have a little background into this conflict.
@mistasomen
@mistasomen 2 жыл бұрын
@@danjacobs6219 you probably mean Dr. Mearsheimer. I've watched his stuff, it's good input. But his approach is very focused on purely strategic thinking and only on the great powers. Here's a few thoughts: NATO expansion: a free and sovereign country joins a coalition based on its own free will. Handshakes and aperitifs follow. Sovjet/Russian expansion: Russia threatens and then invades a nation that mostly doesn't want to join them. War, death, destruction and suppression follow. In Mearsheimer's presentations, those things come across as equal. I beg to differ. Talk to a Polish anti NATO citizen and then talk to a Tchetchen war orphan. See who suffered more under the respective faction's expansion. (the first Russian invasion into Chechnia happened before NATO expansion, by the way) Let's not only think of the two big factions but also of the fate of the people living between them. Again, I'm not endorsing all or even most of NATO's behaviour. They sure have their points to blame. It just seems to me that Russian / Sovjet behaviour is usually 10 times worse. TBC
@thomasboland540
@thomasboland540 Жыл бұрын
​@@danjacobs6219you forget most of those countries wanted to join NATO because of Russia's aggression.
@TorianTammas
@TorianTammas 11 ай бұрын
​@@danjacobs6219It is very simple, Finland and Sweden joined NATO as Russia invaded Ukraine. The warsaw pact states and baltic states joined NATO to not be victim of Russian aggression. We see states who protect their interests against an aggressor.
@lazarignjatovic7881
@lazarignjatovic7881 2 ай бұрын
​​@@TorianTammasRussia did not invade finland during soviet era, and finland stayed neutral. Now that russia is weaker they pose a bigger threat than during cold war. Are you serious? P.S. Saying soviet era may be misunderstanding, lm referring about the cold war, since winter war can be technically said to have happened during soviet era.
@DarthHao
@DarthHao 2 жыл бұрын
Outrageous claims of an authoritarian dictator should not be given any merit. The Russians chose violence, so not only is the immediate condemnation appropriate, but also necessary in exterminating authoritarianism from the world.
@thecsucihai
@thecsucihai 2 жыл бұрын
There is always justification for anything. If you are stronger, you make the rule. Just ask the US. Borders always move around throughout history. Just ask Israel.
@LeadLeftLeon
@LeadLeftLeon 2 жыл бұрын
I have decided to conduct Z Special Military Operation
@ThePereubu1710
@ThePereubu1710 2 жыл бұрын
Previous, illegal, action does not justify further action. "Well, xyz murdered someone so why can't I?"
@niklasmolen4753
@niklasmolen4753 2 жыл бұрын
Just because it happens does not mean it is right.
@Salvara
@Salvara 2 жыл бұрын
@@ThePereubu1710 If the most powerful and most respected nation does it but not only gets away with it but convinces every other nation on the planet to join I'd say that justifies it.
@bigpapa1954
@bigpapa1954 2 ай бұрын
So crime is a useless concept to you? Everybody should do whatever they want no limitations, if someone did it before, and got away with it?
@TisDana
@TisDana 10 ай бұрын
When Russia invaded Crimea in 2014, Ukrainians had every opportunity to make the case they wanted to go back to being part of Russia. They did not.
@medeology4660
@medeology4660 11 ай бұрын
None who claims eastern Ukraine had a russian identity and wanted to separate, can name a single separatist movement in Donbas before 2014, or give any numbers on the size or popularity of it. Because there was no such movement. Russian speaking ukrainians are russian as much as english speaking Irish people are british.
@whatslifespurpose
@whatslifespurpose 5 ай бұрын
Have you heard of 2014 Maidan coup? That changed things forever. Ethnic Russian Ukrainians were burned alive in Odessa.
@agh0x01
@agh0x01 4 ай бұрын
Absolutely. Ukraine was warned by Russia in 2013 - when they were about to sign a trade deal with the EU - that separatist movements could 'spring up'. Yes, I'm sure these separatist groups just spontaneously appeared and weren't sponsored by Russia. From a 2013 article in The Guardian: « The Kremlin aide added that the political and social cost of EU integration could also be high, and allowed for the possibility of separatist movements springing up in the Russian-speaking east and south of Ukraine. He suggested that if Ukraine signed the agreement, Russia would consider the bilateral treaty that delineates the countries' borders to be void. "We don't want to use any kind of blackmail. This is a question for the Ukrainian people," said Glazyev. "But legally, signing this agreement about association with EU, the Ukrainian government violates the treaty on strategic partnership and friendship with Russia." When this happened, he said, Russia could no longer guarantee Ukraine's status as a state and could possibly intervene if pro-Russian regions of the country appealed directly to Moscow. "Signing this treaty will lead to political and social unrest," said the Kremlin aide. "The living standard will decline dramatically … there will be chaos." » www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/22/ukraine-european-union-trade-russia
@take2762
@take2762 2 ай бұрын
Though they may have been seperatist sentiments, they seem to have been exacerbated and amplified beyond their actual scale by Russia, and prevented from entering into peaceful negotiation by Russia. ​@@agh0x01
@fartsfartington9019
@fartsfartington9019 2 ай бұрын
This makes sense. But I don't know if the Russian government oppressed Ukrainian people in the Donbas the sane way as the British government did to the Irish people in the 6 counties.
@medeology4660
@medeology4660 2 ай бұрын
@fartsfartington9019 Moscow rule over/colonizing of Ukraine before independence 1991 can be compared with British rule over Ireland (including a gen*cide by starvation). Moscow rule after 2014 has turned the occupied parts of Donetsk and Luhansk into a fiefdom of competing warlords, where there is no law except the law of violence, Moscow controls all information, and there are tоrt*re chambers and basements for those who don't comply. Thousands of Ukrainian men in occupied Donbas have been forced into the russian army and k*lled. The (russian) author Sergei Medvedev called the occupation Russias "Jіhаd in Donbas" and compared it to being ruled by ISIS or a South American drug cartel. If you consider that mass graves and tоrt*re chambers have been found wherever Ukraine has liberated occupied territory, imagine what life is like in the still occupied territories. Or what kind of society you have where occupation has gone on for 10 years.
@soundrightmusic
@soundrightmusic 2 жыл бұрын
I think his justifications are ultimately irrelevant. As our(NATO/US) response has more to do with our interest than the violation of Ukrainian sovernty. Like we litteraly did nothing in response to the annaxation of Crimia. Putin has brought war to our door and challenged Western global dominance in a way that it hasn't been in decades. It is an open question if we are still capable of summoning the will to respond.
@devrusso
@devrusso 2 жыл бұрын
"Putin has brought war to our door" No, he didn't. He brought war to HIS door. Ukraine is not "your door", it's Russia's "door". You were trying to bring your soldiers to Russia's doorstep and now is trying to turn it around. I assume you're from the US or England, you sponsored Euromaidan in 2014 (in RUSSIAS DOORSTEP) and now you're talking about Ukraine being your door... You people are so cynical it hurts me.
@soundrightmusic
@soundrightmusic 2 жыл бұрын
@@devrusso I ment ideological doorstep not actual door. I also believe Puntin's fear of us putting weapons in Ukraine pointed at him is warrented because thats exactly what we where doing. My point was he wanted smoke and we where selling wolf tickets.
@maggan82
@maggan82 6 ай бұрын
What has Putin achieved? Only that Finland and Sweden jas joined Nato😂
@clairetimberlake5892
@clairetimberlake5892 2 жыл бұрын
I cannot thank you enough. When someone asked "Where can I get unbiased news on this?", I thought of you.
@ElectronFieldPulse
@ElectronFieldPulse 2 жыл бұрын
Wouldn't it be wonderful if people listened to this type of news instead of Fox and CNN?
@gwho
@gwho 2 жыл бұрын
@@ElectronFieldPulse yes, but no. Let those shitty channels remain shitty and get outcompeted.
@h2didenkov
@h2didenkov 7 ай бұрын
​@ElectronFieldPulse just watched it and it's no different to CNN's view.
@jakel8627
@jakel8627 6 ай бұрын
This video is too heavy on intellectualism to appeal to most people. Being smart and observant is "woke" now.
@felipesoares5900
@felipesoares5900 3 ай бұрын
> everyone begged him to negotiate He's been trying that for 20 years lol
@megaponful
@megaponful 3 ай бұрын
Yes this guy is very biased. Putin has been trying to negotiate for years idk what media this guy has been consuming not to know this
@filthee1
@filthee1 Ай бұрын
Not to mention the myriad times the west has undermined any type of diplomatic solution eg Minsk Accords
@popog42
@popog42 2 жыл бұрын
The third argument is self contradictory. If Ukraine can't enhance its security at Russia's expense, then Russia can't enhance its own security at Ukraine's expense. Invading Ukraine sure seems like it's at Ukraine's expense, even if it improves Russian security by stopping Ukraine from joining NATO.
@popog42
@popog42 2 жыл бұрын
Otherwise great video!
@bkc7890
@bkc7890 2 жыл бұрын
Ukraine joining NATO doesn’t even take anything away from Russia. Ukraine is not an asset owned by Russia, they are an independent nation that can choose what they want for themselves. If other countries can’t enhance their security in any way as long as it theoretically could impact the security of another, then nobody would be allowed to manufacture any kinds of weapons. In Putin’s sense, the very notion of improving one’s own security situation makes all others’ less secure in comparison. Russia is the one trying to do the taking, not Ukraine.
@stanislavstoimenov1729
@stanislavstoimenov1729 2 жыл бұрын
@@mrbeezkeez1599 "The way it ended was with The West agreeing to expand NATO further East" -- I believe that what you meant to say is that Raegan vows to not -- NOT! -- expand NATO farther eastwards of the territory of the former GDR.
@stanislavstoimenov1729
@stanislavstoimenov1729 2 жыл бұрын
"Invading Ukraine sure seems like it's at Ukraine's expense, even if it improves Russian security by stopping Ukraine from joining NATO." -- what kind of naïve and, frankly, artless argument is this? Might is right, what don't you understand?
@Elldallan
@Elldallan 2 жыл бұрын
@@mrbeezkeez1599 It wasn't actually an agreement though, there exists no treaty text anywhere saying that NATO promises not to expand further east if the USSR agrees to collapse under it's own weight. It was at best a backroom promise, which holds absolutely no water once the parties have exited the room. There is however the Budapest Memorandum where both the US and Russia promises to safeguard the territorial integrity of Ukraine. It is non-binding ofcourse but at least it's something that exists on paper.
@zikpin
@zikpin 2 жыл бұрын
I might be mistaken, but there is also fourth argument. They also condemned NATO's (or EU's, I don't remember exactly) East expansion a lot, stating that it contradicted agreements made in 90ths.
@PolishBehemoth
@PolishBehemoth Жыл бұрын
and the eaatern expansion is now proven correct by this invasion and talks of attacking finland and estonia
@Kkaffeine
@Kkaffeine 7 ай бұрын
​@@PolishBehemoth that sounds like a self fulfilling prophecy. Nato keeps expanding, going against the promise that they wouldn't and reach a critical red line. This forces Russia's hand to invade Ukraine to make a point and somehow this proves that Nato expansion was necessary? The West (the US in particular) is just as guilty of this war as Russia is if not more in my opinion.
@Darticus42
@Darticus42 2 ай бұрын
NATO I believe, yes. Trading blocs like EU are a lot less scary than military alliances with collective security pacts like NATO.
@endrankluvsda4loko172
@endrankluvsda4loko172 Жыл бұрын
If the people in eastern Ukraine who fled at the beginning of the invasion really wanted to be part of Russia, wouldn't they have ran to Russia instead of heading west?
@sklen-io
@sklen-io 3 ай бұрын
About 6 million Ukrainian refugees have been accepted by the Russian side
@nationalsocialist6590
@nationalsocialist6590 2 ай бұрын
If you believe in eat or be eaten then you understand Russia position.
@irrefudiate
@irrefudiate Жыл бұрын
Putin starts by saying Ukraine is really Russia. But, it could be said that Russia is really Ukraine.. if you want to go back far enough. Then he laments Ukraine being armed by other nations. But, Ukraine was already armed until they signed the agreement for their sovereignty which included giving up its arms. By attacking Ukraine, Putin has proved Ukraine needs the protection of NATO.
@jeffmoreau5766
@jeffmoreau5766 Жыл бұрын
Fine, let's go far enough and say that Russia is really Ukraine. That's great for Russia, which is really Ukraine, because that would mean that Kyiv is trying to separate from real Ukraine, so Moscow have every right to prevent separatism in its country. Now this conflict seems no more than an internal one, and it's specifically Ukrainian. West interfering with Ukraine internal conflict is violating international law and encroaches on Ukrainian sovereignty. Why did not Putin said that from the start? Seems like a blunder to me
@staffan144
@staffan144 Жыл бұрын
Don't forget to take your covid injections. And all the boosters
@lotcam4046
@lotcam4046 Жыл бұрын
You are leaving many details
@PolishBehemoth
@PolishBehemoth Жыл бұрын
ukraine can protect itself without nato. The talk of joining nato is part of the ptoblem. Ukraine should be neutral like austria after world war 2. Or finland before this current war in ukraine.
@fegeleindux3471
@fegeleindux3471 Жыл бұрын
Too bad that even with the help of NATO they are still losing and badly, so yeah if Russia produces right now more military equipment than all of NATO combined (according to NYT and other Western sources so not Russian propaganda) then kinetic force will decide who is right
@MAG320
@MAG320 Жыл бұрын
I don't think it was a valid reason to invade Ukraine. He kept saying he was responding to NATO expansion. - NATO wasn't really expanding, nations wanted to join because they felt weak to a foreign attack. He then said that there were NAZI & Neo-NAZIs still running around in Ukraine, initiating a special force and start a war. He then said that Ukraine Govt was a rebel regime. Logic says Russia doesn't have a good reason why it invaded Ukraine. Narcissist nations will take anything as an offense if it thinks somebody will invade it for no reason. Its ok to have your own identity, it is not ok to change others identity to match yours. So no, it is not justified. Don't let that big head of yours hit the door frame when you walk out on your last day in office.
@menthy4953
@menthy4953 Жыл бұрын
I dont support any agression at all but I tend to believe its a bit more complexe than that. We have to keep in mind that NATO was initially created to counter the soviet threat(aka russia). So therefore its fair to say putin is paranoid of an attack from the west and acted desperatly to counter their influence. Also, my next point isnt backup from a source but simply from a historical point. Ukrain is one of the few country that didnt get a proper de-nazifaction. During ww2 when the german invaded the soviet, the ukrainian that saw the german coming praised and cheered for them calling them their savior from the soviet monster. Unfortunately, they didnt knew back then how terrible the nazi were so most of them saw them as liberator/hero. After the war, ukraine fell back in soviet hand and experienced many future atrocity. The illegal rebel regime accusation is a dumb reason from putin tho Interesting take if else I would love to hear you tought on this !
@nobodyfromnowhere3597
@nobodyfromnowhere3597 Жыл бұрын
the bigest mistake is to apply individual morality to nation states.
@jakel8627
@jakel8627 4 ай бұрын
Nations are made up of individuals. Those individuals make decisions. Nations are just responsible as individuals are.
@OhNotThat
@OhNotThat 2 жыл бұрын
This video has tons of subtle biases that mostly make your analysis like all your videos a case of smug psudeo intellectualism with nothing but motivated reasoning, the most jarring example of this is 4:38. Simply put you lack the actual data to support your claim of the east supporting Russia and the west supporting Ukraine, no doubt you tried to find it but instead you need something that *SEEMS good like it supports your position* to the uncritical so you find a *LANGUAGE MAP FROM 20 YEARS AGO* rather than one that actually answers the question you asked. Logically just because you speak Russian doesn't mean you support Putin or wish to be annexed by Russia. Zelenksy is a native Russian speaker and obviously is very much against Russian integration.
@robertbones326
@robertbones326 2 ай бұрын
I clicked on your timestamp at 4:38 and it just shows Putin speaking.
@kjabber7245
@kjabber7245 Жыл бұрын
You use the word "justified". In my opinion, the war was NOT justified. But you failed to emphasize the word "provoked". The war was absolutely provoked by outside interests. The Ukrainians are canon fodder for two geo-political powers, NEITHER or which has the best interests of the Ukrainians at heart. The Ukrainians in break-away regions would be fools to think that Russia has their best interests at heart. The Ukrainians in the west would be fools to think that the US and EU give a crap about their lives.
@internalmethods
@internalmethods Жыл бұрын
Finally, a sober comment. No one ever mentions how the U.S. essentially took over the Ukrainian government in 2014. The U.S. isn't just dumping billions of dollars (which much of it seems to go "missing") to help Ukraine. The U.S. has been using them as a proxy. As far as NATO is concerned, you don't need a PHD to figure out who gives them most of their financial support. Why is it so hard to admit how "over the top" corrupted our own government has become. We've been jabbing at Russia for at least 8 years, and no one expected retaliation. I'm anti-war all around. I don't care who started it, put some adults in the room for a peace deal and end it. Of course the U.S. has purposely sabotaged peace talks over and over again. Did we all just forget how our military industrial complex invades countries (without ever declaring war) and then just occupies them forever as a playground of death. Oh wait, that's right, we've been spreading democracy all over the middle east since before I was born.
@markfortuin7111
@markfortuin7111 4 ай бұрын
Great analysis. Your videos are educational & informative. Glad i subscribed.
@krisk5597
@krisk5597 3 ай бұрын
I've seen your video just now, and I'd like to point out the oddness of "Civil war" part, as there were not civil war in Ukraine between "east" and "west" of Ukraine, at least not since 1991. I also think it to be worth mentioning that the war between russia and Ukraine started in 2014, yet it is 2024 when Ukraine faced the full invasion of its territories. Giving that russia invaded Ukraine much earlier, those reasons to invade Ukraine back then might also be worth taking into consideration ( I do not mean to say they are justified). Anyhow, it was a nice try and though having quite a rough view on what was going on in Ukraine, the conclusion is the same - russia's aggression is not justified.
@gspaulsson
@gspaulsson 2 жыл бұрын
I grow tired of the geopolitics pundits. This is not an intellectual exercise, it is a matter of international law that emerged from two world wars and Hiroshima. Ukraine is a sovereign country with a right of self-determination, whose people have made it very clear that they do not want to be ruled by Russia. End of argument. Everything else is a string of rationalizations, red herrings, non sequiturs, whataboutisms, false equivalences, imperialist pseudo-history, reflexive anti-Americanism and whatever the hell goes on in the brains of Putin's American fanboys like Trump and Tucker Carlson.
@OBrasilo
@OBrasilo 2 жыл бұрын
Then perhaps the US shouldn't have threatened Cuba, Nicaragua, and Venezuela with retaliation, should they enter a military alliance with Russia, and the Solomon Islands with military invasion, should they allow China to build a military base there.
@gramioerie_xi133
@gramioerie_xi133 2 күн бұрын
@@OBrasilo Holy shit, did you even read what he said? He literally mentioned whataboutisms in his comment. You proved his point instantly. You people are insane.
@misanek007
@misanek007 2 жыл бұрын
I am greatly enjoying your work to think, analyze and understand the situation critically. I would like to give my understanding of Russian thinking in this regard, this is not meant to justify the action, it is meant to achieve a thorough understand of their standpoint. To correctly understand Russian thinking regarding this issue I would believe that the Alexander Dugin's concept of ethnos is of crucial importance. Russians do not understand countries the way you defined them. Dugin's philosophy is based on Martin Heidegger's notion of Dasein and connects it with his notion of Volk (the people). A country is a sacred soil of the Volk (the people). I am inferring by your speech and endeavor that you are American. Americans as a people and culture have no soil, not in the material sense, this of course they do, but in the sacred ethnical sense, they do not. The soil they live on belongs to the Native Americans in the sacred sense. This notion of sacred soil is crucial in understanding the justification Russians have for themselves to purse these military goals. Sacred soil with the sacred religion (orthodox church) with sacred people and the sacred ruler (the Tsar), that is how they understand their identity. This sacredness should not be understood in the secular protestant way as is commonly understood in the Anglo-American cultural context. This sacredness should be understood in the sense of a belonging to a cultural-historical context, in the sense of Heidegger's Dasein. The eastern part of Ukraine is orthodox in the cultural-historical sense and therefore, from the Russian standpoint belongs under the sacred soil of Russia. I would recommend looking into the ideas of Dostoyevsky's character Shatov in his work the Demons to understand this better. Finally, the basic geopolitical textbook was written by Alexander Dugin and is used in most Russian military circles for education. The Russian geopolitical philosophy is based on Huntington's Clash of Civilizations. Their goal is to achieve a multipolar geopolitical world as opposed to a unipolar world of the West, they believe the correct poles are those that Huntington defined in his book. Some might understand this as a form of Orthodox fundamentalism (similar to Islamic fundamentalism), which I will not judge on, but I think that if the Russian's secularized their worldview as the far West protestant worldview they would believe to not be Russians anymore, I think that the essence of what they believe to be an existential threat. Existential threat in the sense of Dostoyevsky's Orthodox existentialism.
@reesetorwad8346
@reesetorwad8346 Жыл бұрын
Ah...thanks for explaining why it's okay for "Russians" to murder innocent men, women and children, I was wondering about that.
@Rrgr5
@Rrgr5 Жыл бұрын
But that's the ideological view, there's the material view which is vastly different, what guides Russian interest is the Russian oligarchy, some points of the video weren't that accurate, indeed the first two justifications were just to gather favourable public opinion, but the third one... Well, lacks the knowledge of the Minsk accords, which Merkel herself acknowledge they weren't respected and the US used to gather time, also the cable leaks by the WikiLeaks showing Nuland raging against the EU, the stages Maidan protests, the IMF involvement, there are a lot of things that aren't said, but it could be research to understand what really went on, and the truth is the Russian oligarchs are trying to negate resources and trivial infrastructure to their western counterparts, which themselves are trying to earn a quick buck without losing man of their own to provoke another outcry of another lost war, they rather "fight to the last Ukrainian", since they won't fight anyway, in the end is like the mafia says: "just business"
@bernardzsikla5640
@bernardzsikla5640 Жыл бұрын
​@@Rrgr5 Both of you make great points to understand the Russian ideological explanation for the invasion, although a deeply flawed narrative. My question is, do we ultimately need to understand Russia's aggression? Does a person need to understand a robber that has broken into one's house? Did the Western allies need to understand Nazi Germany view of Liebestraum? Ukrainian sovereignty is the beginning and the end of the discussion. The rest is just mental gymnastics.
@Rrgr5
@Rrgr5 Жыл бұрын
@@bernardzsikla5640 yes we need to prevent it, is that difficult to understand? Why you think we study history? Your abstractions don't really add up here, that kind of discourse looks more like a gaslight than anything.
@bernardzsikla5640
@bernardzsikla5640 Жыл бұрын
@@Rrgr5 Interesting, you had such a thoughtful explanation and understanding of Russian ideology and your reply devolved into just a silly comment. Ultimately, we don't need to understand Authoritarianism. We need to defend against it. And again you mentioning gaslighting, you might want to Google the term. Your original lengthy explanation of Russian ideology is more of a gaslighting apologist mentality than anything I had stated.
@mikeaz1960
@mikeaz1960 3 ай бұрын
Sorry your facts are way off. Check your timeline. Visits to Zelensky by victoria nuland and bombings in eastern Ukraine the next day. Hmmm…..
@marinadowden6038
@marinadowden6038 Жыл бұрын
7:33 ''one country can't justify the invasion of another because they believe a government is being aggressive in a civil conflict''... Really? What would be ''the proper'' justification then? Maybe claiming that a country has chemical weapons, which were never found? Or defending democracy? Or to free the people of another country from their government?
@emilhuseynov6121
@emilhuseynov6121 2 ай бұрын
A perfect example of how the west uses liberal internationalism as an iron rod to criticise their opponents when pursuing actions aimed towards guaranteeing their State's safety whereas when they do it for not even existential safety reasons it is perfectly justifiable. Alexander Dugin is right in correctly assessing liberalism to have become stale and rigid and therefore totalitarian in its reaction to any sort of opposition to it.
@olaf3140
@olaf3140 2 ай бұрын
I don't think he mentioned any of those as being valid justifications?
@SusCalvin
@SusCalvin 20 күн бұрын
How does that make it any easier for us who live next to Putin.
@gramioerie_xi133
@gramioerie_xi133 2 күн бұрын
Actually, those are wrong, too. Just like how the invasion of Ukraine was evil.
@fredpsimas1874
@fredpsimas1874 2 күн бұрын
@@marinadowden6038 it’s more like the cuban missile crisis. When nato adds countries and puts arms in those countries aimed at Russia..they are threatened. The Minsk agreement was supposed to halt additions to nato. We, the west, broke the agreement 13 times. A Russian friendly government of Ukraine was overthrown by the USA. So why wouldn’t this be analogous to the Cuban missile crisis!!!
@jimtoye2844
@jimtoye2844 2 жыл бұрын
The argument against Putin's second point is, 1. Zelenskyy had said he would abandon any attempt to join NATO. 2. Olaf Scholz had already stated that "as long as he was Chancellor, he would not allow Ukraine to join NATO.
@ThePereubu1710
@ThePereubu1710 2 жыл бұрын
The NATO charter does not allow countries which are engaged in civil conflict to become members. For as long as there was fighting in Donetsk and Luhansk, Ukraine was not going to join NATO.
@OBrasilo
@OBrasilo 2 жыл бұрын
And yet, Blinken & co. kept going on about an open doors policy. Zelensky later went on to admit in an interview to CNN, that he was explicitly told that Ukraine would never join NATO or the EU, but that they would publicly continue to claim they would. So it looks like the West was deliberately bluffing in order to appear strong and tough to Russia, and inadvertently made things worse in the process. This whole situation reminds me of a situation we had on IRC back in 2014 where two of my staff members were acting all tough and uncompromising to a guy to the point that the guy got pissed off and began DDoS'ing us hard. Then, when I realized that literally the only way to resolve the situation was to negotiate with him, and actually resolved the situation, I was called weak. Then, it all repeated with another guy (those two clearly learned nothing), and once again, I was demanded to never negotiate, never surrender... well, all until we did the maths and realized we needed €5000/month tier anti-DDoS protection to block the guy's full capability, so we once again realized that negotiation was the only way to get out of it, which at that time, meant kicking the entire channel where it all started, ie. complete capitulation. Sure, one could say that me negotiating with the first DDoS'er emboldened the second one, but one could easily claim that in fact, those two staff members of mine acting all tough and uncompromising until we got DDoS'ed, was what actually emboldened the second one as he had learned from the first one that the only way to get the staff to act reasonably was to DDoS. And I think that could easily apply here - in all its acting tough and uncompromising (while behind the back, in fact doing exactly what Russia demanded them to do), they inadvertently angered Russia to the point of invading Ukraine. And I suspect that now, even if they finally make concessions to Russia to end this war, they have already ensured China invades Taiwan, as they have likely made China think that the only way to get concessions from the West is if you do something unspeakable that will shock them. Ie. just like in my IRC situation 2014, the Western leaders here have, with their tough and uncompromising stance, started a chain reaction that will only end well with the West's complete capitulation. Well, if China does decide to have its own go, the West *may* be able to deter them if they show they learned their lesson and this time, making concessions.
@jimtoye2844
@jimtoye2844 2 жыл бұрын
@@OBrasilo Taiwan and Ukraine are completely different situations. Taiwan (the Republic of China) has been a part of China since at least the 17th century, and as the last refuge of the Chinese nationalist government it sees itself as the legitimate government of all China. Any conflict between Taiwan and China would just be a resumption of the civil war that ended in 1949. Ukraine was granted its independence by the USSR, who were also a guarantor of its sovereign integrity. As a sovereign independent nation surely Ukraine has the right to determine its own destiny. Putin complains about NATO and the EU constantly encroaching on Russia, so Putin needs to ask himself why former Soviet republics don't want to join with Russia? Putin believes in a Russia as set by Aleksandr Dugin in his "Foundations of Geopolitics" and since he came to power has been working to bring it to fruition.
@curiosity_yesiam
@curiosity_yesiam 2 ай бұрын
the argument is “trust us bro, we wont do it”. like they did in 1999 and 2004 and 2007 and 2009 and 2017 and 2020. sure anybody in the russian government will believe this, lol
@davidblanc458
@davidblanc458 5 ай бұрын
I just watchedyour other video about WW2 how it started (well done btw) but yet you seemed to understand that since Hitler caused a serious threat to democracy it's therefore necessary to declare war on germany in 1939, but now with Russia, who says it's threaten by the west, shouldn't react the same way Chamberlain and the Frenchies in 1939. little biased by lack of distantiation maybe? PS: If I could advice one thing lacking in the WW2 video it would be the hows and whos that helped Germany have a big army by 1935 just as the one they had in 1914. And also how with 1% jewes in Germany (650'000 people) how German army ended up emprisonning six million (wild claim)
@BuckeyeRutabaga
@BuckeyeRutabaga 2 жыл бұрын
3:42 A more appropriate analogy, in terms of geographical proximity and culture, would be England saying that independent Ireland or Scotland would be a mistake.
@slashslash501
@slashslash501 2 жыл бұрын
It would be an even better analogy to say that US wanted to capture Britain based on the fact that they share common blood and language and used to be in one country
@terryhand
@terryhand 2 жыл бұрын
If by Ireland you mean Southern Ireland, it is an independent state. Saying that an independent Scotland would be a mistake is hardly analogous to invading a peaceful country.
@BuckeyeRutabaga
@BuckeyeRutabaga 2 жыл бұрын
@@terryhand the key words are “geographical proximity” and “culture”. Please pay attention.
@nigsbalchin226
@nigsbalchin226 2 жыл бұрын
​​​​@@BuckeyeRutabaga Your analogy stands. Just add language to it. What's spoken in Scotland is a variation of Middle English, much closer to modern English than Ukrainian is to Russian.
@nottingham2222
@nottingham2222 2 жыл бұрын
Or US could argue the exact same thing about Canada.
@nikaidonikaido3975
@nikaidonikaido3975 5 ай бұрын
There was no civil war🤦🏻‍♀️ You dont know the subject and still have an audacity to make comments about it. What's wrong with you ?
@myla6135
@myla6135 2 жыл бұрын
I just watched one of your videos on China which I thought was very well argued. In it you talked very perceptively about the West's linear way of thinking and contrasted it with China's lateral way of thinking. I think you could have approached this topic a bit more laterally and definitely with a bit more in depth research.
@Kevin_m2ru
@Kevin_m2ru 2 жыл бұрын
Me was looking for this comment
@Johnny.Fedora
@Johnny.Fedora 2 жыл бұрын
Are you looking for an exploration of Putin's psychology, or Russia's history of imperialism and dictatorship?
@clown4286
@clown4286 2 жыл бұрын
He tends to do this.
@landmerry_6742
@landmerry_6742 2 жыл бұрын
Interesting that you should bring up the Chinese. From my experience on zhihu (Chinese Quora), most chinese recognize that an invasion of another country's sovereignty is wrong, but also that sometimes this doesn't matter realistically enough when faced with strong threat or interest. By that logic also, Ukraine cares not for the ideal of upholding international law and condemning the "wrong", but more about its own interest as a nation--not that I'd criticize this mindset. Much like the matter with Taiwan and China (whether you read the former as a province or more or less independent) , and by extension every area planning to declare some form of independence; techinically, self determination would be "correct", in moral; practically, it would be ambiguous; in terms of many nations' interests, its "correctness" could be easily overwhelmed, and even overrode by another such "correctness", more explicitly, "a government's first consideration is to its people". Speaking of connecting Russia's invasion with our situation in Taiwan, most people also recognize and converse about how this would make China lose more moral highground internationally as the ccp is likened to the invading side. A significant amount of people also note that this must be intentionally done by western media, and as such, very little people will actually care about nuanced differences between the two circumstances. *Just on a side note to provide evidence for my second point, a lot of Chinese were pissed and even stopped supporting Ukraine (mostly verbal support, but still) completely, when the latter complied with Japan's demand to take their emperor out of a video of the three facism leaders who initiated wwII and therefore various inhumane war crimes. Seriously, when it comes to the beef with Japan, it's an untouchable death zone with the Chinese public. Sorry Ukraine, not sorry. So all things considering, Chinese do seem much more ambiguous dissecting this invasion by Putin. People condemn it, yes, but I must say half-heartedly, before moving on to other things like motivations and predictions. I see what you mean about lateral thinking.
@Johnny.Fedora
@Johnny.Fedora 2 жыл бұрын
@@landmerry_6742 Russia and Ukraine's history. China at large and Taiwan's history. Two very different things, completely unrelated. The comparison is forced and pointless, though some Chinese may make the comparison (though I've seen no data on that, other than your opinion). Internationally, and under international law, Taiwan's status is ambiguous. Ukraine's status is not. There is no question that Ukraine is a sovereign nation, fully separate from Russia. For what it's worth, the Soviet Union is dead, and upon its dissolution, treaties were signed. Putin has no leg to stand on, which is why he's throwing a variety of fantastical propaganda themes at his population, even as the world rolls its eyes at his shameless b**ls**t. Regardless of what some Chinese nationals may think, and whether they love or hate Ukraine and Zelenskyy, there is no valid comparison. (Did I repeat that sufficiently?)
@serjiobazhan3918
@serjiobazhan3918 Жыл бұрын
Also you should consider the fact that non of ex-KGB agent's spoken statements does not reflect his real intentions and underlying reasons. Statement of him is an instrument of achieving his real goals but not a mean of communication.
@christinemechtler9846
@christinemechtler9846 Жыл бұрын
You need to listen to Scott Ritter and Douglas MacGregor. And you need to judge Russias actions against those of your own country’s.
@ChristopherBalkaran
@ChristopherBalkaran 2 жыл бұрын
It’s always such a treat watching your content Ryan. Thank you for having the courage to tackle this subject. We HAVE to do a Podcast together!!
@jasonmajere2165
@jasonmajere2165 Жыл бұрын
Should do an update about this. Lot has happened in 8 months.
@lpf7961
@lpf7961 Жыл бұрын
Your conclusion a year ago that Reason #3 was the main reason, might be true, and your opinion that Russia "did not use diplomacy enough", is inderstablable, but I hope that a year later, when you got more information about the events, that lead to the co flict, After watching the "Leaders of the free world " bragging how they cheated Russia, only to build up Ukranian forces to the future war with Russia. After watching revival of Bandera and other Nazi collaborators, building statues for Nazi executionists in Ukraine and the west refusing to condemn Nasizm. You might arrive to the conclusion, that actually Putin was right. Unexpectedly Putin started a new revolution against the western neocolonialism and American global dominance. Thos war with Ukraine was never about Ukraine to begin with.
@botno69420
@botno69420 2 жыл бұрын
Can you, or someone else, comment on what would justify an invasion? Is it too complex of a topic, or do you see a pattern or some kind of key points which when checked, would be a good start for a justification? I come from a place where there's no "army" in its general sense, but a defence force. Thus both practically and ideologically, aggressively taking control of an area is only justified when it's a part of a defensive maneuver. That would, in itself, be comparable to the narrative that Putin is trying to paint, but to me it only works when you're already in a conflict, not as a reason to start one. Another thing I fail to grasp is the "international law" about "ones defense cannot be heightened at the expense of others", or something along those lines. Where can I read more about that, as by the amount of information I got from this video, it hardly makes sense to me. While there are purely defensive weapon systems, a good defense cannot be obtained without the capability of strong offense. How can you strengthen your defense without heightening the risk towards your neighbors at the same time?
@mikearchibald744
@mikearchibald744 2 жыл бұрын
International law is very clear, Ukraine WOULD have the right to self defense as soon as Russian tanks and missiles crossed the border. As you will notice, virtually NO american invasion is justifiable along international law, thats why the US isn't a member of the International Criminal Court, which makes it pretty amusing to hear Biden talk about the ICC. Its not complicated at all. If missiles are flying and borders are crossed, there is your justification. There is NO justification for Russia because even the cases they cited about missiles were in the east of ukraine, not russia. Where it gets complicated of course is when its NOT the national army setting off bombs. If the IRA set off bombs in London, as they did, that didn't mean you can condemn a whole nation, and thats the murky bit with ukraine.
@juanausensi499
@juanausensi499 2 жыл бұрын
@@mikearchibald744 You're right. It's pretty easy, actually. The aggresor is in the wrong, the defender is in the right.
@juanausensi499
@juanausensi499 2 жыл бұрын
@Josef K How do you starve a population without using violence?
@juanausensi499
@juanausensi499 2 жыл бұрын
​@Josef K I don't think you can starve a population with those kind of measures, unless there is a country that is unable to provide food for itself. For example, Cuba has been isolated economically for many years and they are poor but they weren't starving. Also, not wanting to do commerce with somebody should be a free choice. I don't think you can starve a population without the use of violence.
@katalinkiss120
@katalinkiss120 2 жыл бұрын
@@mikearchibald744 There was an eminent threat cited by President Putin in that Ukrainian troops were gathering for an assault on the Donbas which was recognised as an independent region much as what happened in Yugoslavia and Russia sent the special operation to try to circumvent further attacks on the civilian population (since the US backed coup in 2014 NATO has sent weapons and trained troops including Na zis targeting Russian ethnic population). Russian troops entered the Ukraine under the article 51 UN Charter pertaining to preempting an eminent threat so it is a bit more complicated than your black and white view probably informed by extremely propagandised main stream media. Didn't you learn anything from the pandemic? And its not amusing that consecutive US governments have been guilty of egregious war crimes and are trying to extradite Julian Assange for no other reason but revealing their crimes while they continue to do more with impunity
@TheT-lv4mt
@TheT-lv4mt 8 ай бұрын
So he has two independent arguments for ATTACKING Ukraine and then cries when Ukraine wants to join a defensive alliance. Hilarious.
@whatslifespurpose
@whatslifespurpose 5 ай бұрын
Oh yeah, the defensive alliance that bombed Serbia and Libya.
@TheT-lv4mt
@TheT-lv4mt 4 ай бұрын
@@whatslifespurpose so long as Angelic Putin isn’t planning an ethic cleansing or persisting with violence in contravention of UN authority, yep, defensive.
@jakel8627
@jakel8627 4 ай бұрын
​@@whatslifespurpose Defending others from aggression is still defence.
@ALFA-sm2nm
@ALFA-sm2nm 4 ай бұрын
​@@jakel8627with that logic you can justify anything
@hammer3721
@hammer3721 3 ай бұрын
Libya was mostly a Franco-British job, just like Iraq was a mostly Anglo-American job. Other NATO members were not necessarily involved. Belgrade is inexcusable, however.
@TheT-lv4mt
@TheT-lv4mt 8 ай бұрын
If Ukraine and Russia are the “same” (according to Putin), then why doesn’t Russia surrender its sovereignty to Ukraine?
@tacioob2337
@tacioob2337 4 ай бұрын
Ukraine have been kidnapped by neonazi ideology, with support of USA. Thats why there isnt a conversation, the talks are now in the field
@warmike
@warmike 2 ай бұрын
Because Ukraine would give said sovereignty away to the US as it gave away its own.
@Rudenbehr
@Rudenbehr 2 жыл бұрын
I saw the Title, saw it was Ryan Chapman, and I busted out the tea 😌gonna be a good video
@BS-vx8dg
@BS-vx8dg 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, but it was too short, Tohiko.
@thomasctteo6868
@thomasctteo6868 Жыл бұрын
Tq for this short video. Pls Google n watch (Colonel) Douglas McGregor podcast interviews n you will get a big picture comprehension in/with more detail. God bless. kind regards
@d.d.o.5197
@d.d.o.5197 2 жыл бұрын
Good video, the only thing that really bothers me is what the conclusion is based on in the end: "It seems like the opportunity for diplomacy was there and it seems that Russia didn't take it". It is impossible to know if this was the case, because the public is simply not in the loop. We have no idea what negotiations were conducted behind closed doors, so there is no evidence for your assumption that Russia was not willing to solve the issue with diplomacy in the end.
@tom_curtis
@tom_curtis 2 жыл бұрын
I am sure Russia was willing to settle the 'issues' diplomatically, but only by the Ukraine and NATO diplomatically granting all of his demands. Further, it is well recognized in contract law that you cannot make a valid contract by holding your gun to somebodies head. Similarly, in international affairs, negotiating while holding the threat of immediate invasion if you do not get what you want from the negotiations is not a valid negotiation tactic. Ergo, regardless of whether or not their were diplomatic contacts between Russia and Ukraine in the weeks immediately prior to the invasion, Russia did not use diplomacy to accomplish its ends.
@tamarleahh.2150
@tamarleahh.2150 2 жыл бұрын
They met multiple times and pictures were publicized
@AdrienLegendre
@AdrienLegendre Жыл бұрын
I agree. There were alternatives to war other than diplomacy and war. For NATO concerns, Russia could have improved its defensive capabilities. For the residents of Eastern Ukraine, Russia could have offered Russian passports, etc.
@Rai2M
@Rai2M Жыл бұрын
@@AdrienLegendre Russia DID provide russian passports to the residents of Eastern Ukraine since 2014 (and that's a violation of ukrainian law, btw) as well as to other people around ex-USSR territories, just to have an excuse to invade Georgia (2008), Ukraine (2014, 2022) or, possibly, Moldova. Russia isn't interested in those residents (in fact, they were the first and the only (almost) victims of the invasion). They sent eastern ukrainian men to involuntary fight against their ukrainians brothers (and almost all of those who had been sent died), they literally destroyed almost every city and town and village where the slightest resistance was found, etc,etc,etc Yes, i do know what i'm talking about, because i'm a russian citizen myself. Even more, my granny and dad were ukrainians from the future "separatists" territories, so yes, i know what's happening. The only motive Putin has wasn't mentioned in this video. His real motive is to stay as a president for the rest of his life and that's it. He doesn't care how many millions would die. NATO argument doesn't make sense (Putin even said that Finland joining NATO isn't a threat, wtf?), it's just an excuse. Oh, come on. There is a lot i could write on the subject but the truth is that ALL Putin's arguments were fakes and couldn't be taken seriously, because his goals weren't told. No bad guy in chief would say 'I'm a big bad guy and i want to keep being a big bad guy and you all must do whatever i say because i'm a bad guy'. They always hide behind false reasoning and propaganda.
@rockpaperscissors6521
@rockpaperscissors6521 Жыл бұрын
Russia signed diplomatic peace agreements in both September of 2014 and March of 2022,. Each of these deals were honored by Russia until broken by American-backed western Ukrainian forces.
@bobanrajowic
@bobanrajowic Жыл бұрын
I disagree that only argument 3 is the real one. The “NATO expansion” argument is important only for the western supports of Putin. Internal Russian propaganda is mostly using arguments 1 and 2. In fact, for those Russians who support the invasion, argument 1 is the main one, and sufficient by itself. I know, it sounds weird for the outsiders to wage war because you think that your people and people of a neighboring country are one nation. But for the majority of Russians it’s crystal clear, and far more important than NATO. Ukrainians also understand it. Weird? Well, foreign cultures are under no obligation to make sense to you.
@danielsolodov4222
@danielsolodov4222 2 жыл бұрын
Well, one the big issues here is the difference of perspectives: Rissian Realpolitik vs American Liberalism. It's close to the issue of Chineese lateral thinking mentioned in another video on this channel. In regards to the points mentioned. 1) Calling any country a "mistake" is rather rude to say the least. The actual meaning behind these worlds as I understand it is that a part of the modern day Ukrain is populated by ethnic Russians and people with a relatively weak Ukrainian national identity that can be reforged into Russians in short span of time. These are southern and eastern regions. 2) Ukraine didn't threaten Russia in a short term but it's open anti-Russian agenda (peppered with unabashed fashism) coupled with it's status as a NATO-proxi is a legitimate security threat down the line. If you could read either Ukrainian or Russian you'd be far less sceptical about it. Even as far as 2012 you could see political ads for the "Right Sector" party that said "Rissia must become a grave". Than after 2014 there were mass gathering chanting "Russian to the guillotine" etc. 3) There is one big problem with NATO: it's an anty-Russian alliance. It literally has no other reason to exist. And it's not a defensive alliance since it has participated in external conflicts. Yes, the likelyhood of NATO initiating an attack against Russia is very low in my estimation but it is there. And according to the "balance of power" idea if Russia can prevent other countries from joining an anti-Russian military alliance it will do so. Diplomacy was attempted first but when it proved ineffective it decided to achieve it's political objectives by "other means". Remember it's not the first conflict predicated on such claims. Georgia was the first. None of the mentioned above is an excuse to start a war since there not a single armed conflict that is not a tragedy but I hope that I might have provided a somewhat valuable perspective based on my particular background (that of a moderately "westernized" Russian").
@uku4171
@uku4171 2 жыл бұрын
You say it has no reason to exist other than anti-Russia, and then mention that it has participated in external conflicts. Could you specify what you meant, then?
@bowiemcgrath8180
@bowiemcgrath8180 2 жыл бұрын
@@uku4171 it is an anti Russian alliance and that's quite obvious. Also Russia did ask if it could join NATO but was rejected
@Jason-TheChad-Muska_circa1995
@Jason-TheChad-Muska_circa1995 Жыл бұрын
Okay I know how cultish many people are on this topic so let me first start by saying and make it clear that I do not like Putin. I do not think he is a good person and by no means am I making excuses for his behavior and I think that his behavior and what he is done to the Ukrainian people is monstrous and despicable and I think that he should be brought up on war crimes because of it and punished accordingly. Now all of that being said, It wasn't Russia that started this However again it was Russia that is committed atrocity after atrocity For the most part though Ukraine has done their own as well just not to the degree in which Russia has. I adamantly disagree with the Outlook on the liberation and claim of independent sovereignty by the Ukrainian people of 1991 was a mistake. However I think that is something that Putin and many Russians have felt for a long time and there's a reason behind that. As they have engaged in opening their culture to the rest of Western Europe they have become much more friends with the UK France Germany the United States Canada and many others So this strikes fear in the minds of Putin and many other Russian military officials and elected officials that this will bring arms and the nuclear sense to the borders of Russia. Of course there was a treaty between Russia and Ukraine and an agreement that this would never happen. Ukraine was supposed to remain neutral and never become part of NATO or even flirt with doing so. However Ukraine didn't hold up their end of the bargain and throughout 2016 and on Little by little flirted more with the idea of joining NATO However that became a vocal wish by Ukraine which they flirted with more and more in early 2019 leading up to 2020. Of course as we all saw Russia did not unexpectedly invade Ukraine. They had Been putting their pieces in place for I'd say like 3 to 4 weeks if I remember maybe going into a fifth week and that was meant as a deterrent for Ukraine to reverse course and state allowed and publicly that they would continue to remain neutral and they had no interest of ever joining NATO but that's not what they did and it wasn't just Ukraine the United States intelligence agencies as well as US media as well as European media all ramp up the discussion of how Ukraine should consider becoming part of NATO and NATO should consider voting Ukraine to join. At this point there is really nothing left for Russia to do it that point beside from and date. They're diplomatic means failed to deter them from doing so and also failed to deter the United States and Western Europe and their military posturing concluded with the same result. Remember becoming an ally and a part of NATO brings the greatest nuclear forces to the border of Russia. So let's Go ahead and look at it if the shoe was on the other foot. Let's say instead of Ukraine being the one that was previously three decades ago a part of Russia that it was an exchange Canada and and return that brought second greatest nuclear power and enemy of the United States to The largest order of the United States. How do you think the United States would respond diplomatically and militarily if that were to take place. You would very likely see that as an act of war against the United States But of course the US and often NATO allies see things and and imperialistic sense as if do to the all of being America as well as the military power of NATO that in return they get to exist within a different set of rules And they're also afforded different privileges as a result. Many other military powers and countries around the world are getting very sick of that and if I'm being honest I don't blame them because me is an American citizen I'm also getting sick of that. I'm sick of the constant regime change war. I'm sick of the constant government waste and overspin on pointless meaningless and often futile wars that never have an end and never benefit us or anybody else. Anyway I've done well aside from just now with regards to not taking a position within my explanations on these matters so I'm going to go ahead and pull that back and refrain from doing so for this point off as I'm likely about the wrap this up anyways. Diplomatic relationships and positions taken have unexpected Swift and catastrophic repercussions. This pretty much explains the rusher Ukraine conflict to a t. Sadly There was a chance at peace about 2 months into the invasion except it was sabotaged by Boris Johnson as well as the American intelligence agency and that's because they love this because they're making a fortune
@vladyslavkarpenko9372
@vladyslavkarpenko9372 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the attention, but there is some incorrect notions, e. g. "civil war in Ukraine from 2014". 1. It started by russian soldiers unlawfully taking under their control streets and infrastructure in Crimea peninsula. The russian soldiers blockaded Ukrainian military bases in Crimea, trying to push legit ukrainian army from it. Is it related as "civil war"? 2. After occupation of the Crimea peninsula, partially the same russian soldiers and military officers had relocated to eastern Ukraine region, crossing the border from russian side (mostly Rostovskaya oblast) with light and then heavy military amunition. BTW they even not hided that they are citizens of the Russian Federation. May you call that as "civil war"? If the war starts by foreign military forces illegally taking the control of the territory at one part in Ukraine and after that crosses the border in another part of Ukraine... even collaborationizm doesn't make it "civil".
@isaacasimov3846
@isaacasimov3846 2 жыл бұрын
I think one big thing here is missing and it might be a little confusing... Asking for a justification for an invasion is a very Western liberal thing to do. I remember when USA invaded Iraq the second time the whole slide show that Powell made to UN looked exactly like something that could have been taken out of a court room. But here is the thing. Back in 2007 Putin made it clear in his speech at the Munich Security Conference that he was very unhappy with the way American viewed the world and "ran" the world (sorry i cant remember the quote exactly). But in short he did not recognize USA deciding what was right and wrong in the world. I remember the Western leaders smiling and shaking their head when he said it. So if Putin no longer recognizes the American world order, why is it important that the Western liberal countries feel he is justified invading Ukraine? I think there is from 24/2 2022 a new world order. We in the west can no longer decide for other countries what is the right or the wrong thing to do. We can still say we do, but Putin did just say he dont care anymore. That speech shown in this video has 2 audiences. To the Western Liberal Democracies its a huge middle finger. To the Russian people it is a sign that they now has a new Tsar that will restore the Empire. So with respect to Ryan, this video only makes sense if you still buy in to the idea that Western Liberal Democracy is the future. If you dont, then the video is just pure gibberish only made to justify the "old" world order. On a side note. Right now we are all very black and white about the war. We are all under the influence of propaganda one way or the other. But as with all other wars in the years to come the nuances will be shown...
@tremorlok6659
@tremorlok6659 2 жыл бұрын
Because justification defines policy. It’s the difference between allowing a country to go after what’s theirs and classifying them as a rogue state.
@isaacasimov3846
@isaacasimov3846 2 жыл бұрын
@@tremorlok6659 Again seen through the glasses of the Western liberal democracy. I dont think Putin, Syria, China etc really care about that anymore. I am pretty sure Putin is not kept up at night if we call them a rouge state
@tremorlok6659
@tremorlok6659 2 жыл бұрын
@@isaacasimov3846 Putin clearly does care about western policy or else he wouldn’t have felt existentially threatened by Ukraine joining NATO.
@isaacasimov3846
@isaacasimov3846 2 жыл бұрын
@@tremorlok6659 yes he do care what we do that threaten Russia. But he does not care how we judge him or what our liberal moral view.
@Taysky
@Taysky 2 жыл бұрын
Great video, as usual! Keep it up! This kind of thinking is so useful in our world!
@kaiki8490
@kaiki8490 2 жыл бұрын
Even a smart guy like him can get hoodwinked by fake news. He is wtong from 7min For the real facts The Grayzone with Aaron Mate The New Atlas by Brian Berletic John Mearsheimer (watch him first) Patrick Lancaster war journo in Donbass utube(his vids are difficult to watch) Graham Phillips in Donbadd George Galloway I wiill try to pist sone links in next comment but most if nit all will be deleted by waartube
@kaiki8490
@kaiki8490 2 жыл бұрын
Dozens killed by cluster bomb in Donbass kzbin.info/www/bejne/d3-xmXeBfM-BgZo
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@kaiki8490 2 жыл бұрын
Scott Ritter kzbin.info/www/bejne/hYTOoXynaLlgkMU
@kaiki8490
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1min civilians who tried to evacuate were shot kzbin.info/www/bejne/fGTHp2uOrdRjY7M
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DW deutsch 2mar2017 Azov in ukraine kzbin.info/www/bejne/l4nQkHevj69-kJY
@strangebird5974
@strangebird5974 Жыл бұрын
Apart from Putin's arguments being absurd on their face, since so many contradicting arguments have been forwarded since, the prima facie absurdity of the claims to me is the following: consider making the same arguments, but from Ukraine's point of view. It's only if you somehow consider Russia as a privileged state actor and Ukraine as a non-actor, that any of these arguments can be valid. It's all excuses for what is fundamentally imperialist ambitions for power.
@paultoscano7903
@paultoscano7903 2 жыл бұрын
I’ve just subscribed to your KZbin channel after watching your excellent presentations on fascism. Your work is a gold standard for that rare commodity of well thought out, nuanced analysis of complex issues that employs with deftness social media’s extraordinary power to present visually and convincingly supporting evidence.
@BS-vx8dg
@BS-vx8dg 2 жыл бұрын
Indeed, "Gold standard" and "Ryan Chapman" definitely go together.
@m.a.118
@m.a.118 Жыл бұрын
The only part I think sort of makes sense, as you put is the NATO issue... But it be framed as a Russia vs. Ukraine or Russia vs. the world isn't quite right. It was up to the US/UK/France/Germany (The big four in NATO) to take Russia seriously... They chose not to. That's a responsibility partially on them. I 100% understand Ukraine wanting to join NATO, as with the members that joined earlier in the late 90's and early 2000's (Poland, and the Baltics)... But it was also the responsibility of the Pentagon and its allies in London, Paris, Berlin to weigh the long term ramifications of NATO expansion... which at the time they were either to arrogant on Fukuyama fever or to too stupid to foresee this kind of outcome. As a side note, from Russia's angle- people tend to throw the "but NATO is a defensive pact! Look, Article 5!" No. If that were the case, the Libyans and the Serbians wouldn't have had to deal with NATO in the past. NATO has been used in non-defensive roles in the past and Russia is very much well aware of this.
@bigpapa1954
@bigpapa1954 2 ай бұрын
It was up to Russia not to invade.
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