Evolution & Creation pt 12: Parallels Between Genesis and Egyptian Myths? || Defenders LIVE!

[@mariongranbruheim4090]

0:15 Myth: ”A sacred narrative that seeks to ground or anchor present realities in a primordial time.” _≈ Scholars of folklore._ ✅

[@mariongranbruheim4090]

5:48 "The affliction of Parallelomania"! 😆😹

[@rodrigocostamoura]

Paralelism does not have to be a copy, it simply requires the author to have been somehow in dialogue with another text, even if changing many aspects of it. Given that israelites spent 400 years in Egypt prior to the Exodus and Moses' first sketch of Gn 1, it is only natural that Moses had Egyptian myths in mind while writing Gn 1. In my mind, Gn 1 is easily within reach of the inspired author familiar with Egyptian creation myths.

[@ji8044]

There is no basis in history for the idea that the Israelites spent 400 years in Egypt, nor was there any calendar which would have enabled them to record such a time.

[@rodrigocostamoura]

@ji8044 except for Exodus 12:40

[@ji8044]

@@rodrigocostamoura Exodus is not history. It's theology or some people prefer the term "mytho-history". Both amateur and professional archaeologists have been looking for evidence of Exodus for roughly 250 years now and not so much as a single potshard has ever turned up.

[@ji8044]

When Craig discusses history, it's quite clear he has no idea what he's talking about. No actual scholar considers Atra-Hasis to be older than Gilgamesh. Nor does ANY scholar consider the release of the birds in Gilgamesh to an addition from 750 BC. This video is sheer idiocy.

[@influentialmyths]

Source?

[@SpaceCadet4Jesus]

The account of the release of the birds in the Epic of Gilgamesh was not part of the original Old Babylonian version of the epic. It was added later in the Standard Babylonian version, specifically in Tablet XI, where Utnapishtim recounts the flood story to Gilgamesh. This narrative draws from earlier Mesopotamian flood myths, such as the Atrahasis Epic, and was integrated into the Gilgamesh Epic during its later compilation. The more complete Standard Babylonian version was compiled between the 13th and 10th centuries BCE by Sîn-lēqi-unninni whereas the Epic of Atra-Hasis is an ancient Mesopotamian narrative dating back to the 18th century BCE, with the oldest known copies from the reign of Ammi-Saduqa (1646-1626 BCE).

[@SpaceCadet4Jesus]

The bird motif appears only in the Neo-Assyrian version of the Gilgamesh Epic, dated to around 750 BCE, and not in earlier texts like Atrahasis or Ziusudra, which have missing sections where such a motif might have been included.

[@ji8044]

@@influentialmyths Yes, what IS the source for Craig's assertions?

[@ji8044]

@@SpaceCadet4Jesus No Sumerian or Akkadian scholar would agree with those statements that Gilgamesh is later. Please quote one for me who isn't a Christian theologian like Dr. Craig. Irving Finkel noted Assyriologist at the British Museum says Gilgamesh is at least 3,770 years old. So at the very worst that would make it and Astra-Hasis contemporaneous. John Carey, Professor Emeritus of Literature at Oxford believes Gilgamesh is even older than 4,000 years. Other sources push it back 200 more years, but these are all based in rough estimates for both texts. There are no scholars I have ever read that would date Astra-Hasis earlier than Gilgamesh. The best guess that any scholar makes as far as timeline is that they were local variations of the same story, much like the gospels were 4 local variations on the Jesus story.