Why "Super Size Me" was profoundly fake

"For documentary films, the better they are and the bigger they are, oftentimes the faker they are," argues Nick Gillespie.
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[@chuckcarmichael7835]

The only 100% factual documentary ever made was "This is Spinal Tap"

[@Xiuhtec]

Its truthiness goes to 11.

[@misteriguana2748]

I lived it myself across the u.s. and canada!!!! However that was 20+ years ago.

[@HomelessOnline]

@@misteriguana2748 How so?

[@scotthanson7888]

Turn it up to 11

[@chuckcarmichael7835]

@@HomelessOnline Because David St. Hubbins, Nigel Tufnel, and Derek Smalls obviously made up the best musical group in history

[@danielparrott8660]

"You have the liver of an alcoholic," the doctor tells an alcoholic. Welp, that's lol.

[@aaronkcmo]

Why do people still call it a documentary. It's political advocacy

[@gamesthatiplay9083]

Documentaries usually are.

[@aaronkcmo]

@gamesthatiplay9083 not true documentaries. There are tons out there

[@MikehMike01]

We live in a leftist dictatorship

[@cagneybillingsley2165]

same with all of michael moore's documentaries. these people are just demagogues who happen to be filmmakers

[@Elementalism]

Grifting is what it is called.

[@jeffdege4786]

Tom Naughton spent a month eating nothing but McDonald's and lost weight. Naughton made his dietary logs public, Spurlock did not.

[@thecoach717]

Was he a nutrition professor?

[@chucklindenberg1093]

@@thecoach717 Yes but that really isn't the point. Spurlock clearly had other issues but was trying to blame his consumption of McDonalds for 30 days as the reason for his health issues. The fact that he had no dietary logs from his documentary also is an indication that he wasn't being honest about his claims he made in his documentary. I mean how hard do you think it is to keep dietary logs? Do you really think only a nutrition professor would be capable or truthful enough to accurately record their own meals in a dietary log?

[@thecoach717]

@@chucklindenberg1093 It was a simple question. The guy who improved blood markers and lost weight on the Twinkie diet was a nutrition professor. No reason to write a thesis.

[@rudyando]

​@@thecoach717 So food affects you differently depending on your occupation?

[@ElvargsBane]

​@@rudyandoyour choices can be affected if you are an expert in the field. Ergo a nutritionist choosing well at any fast food chain over a common user. I've seen someone that went to just Taco Bell get better markers over 30 days. I personally think the only common denominator of why metrics improved was that all of these 30 day challenges the participants were more mindful of what they are and so ate less. Eating less has been a consistently good thing for health in animal testing where control of diet is more available.

[@mitchd949]

I'm not surprised to hear that the "documentary" was not legitimate in its claims. Now that I'm 50, I simply distrust EVERYTHING produced by hollywood and the film industry.

[@kaiserzaiser5002]

A good policy. hollywood is for fiction, not reality.

[@JohnWickjr]

Lot of people talking out their azz here. He didn't divulge his alcoholism BUT he didn't make up that McD's "food" isn't real food.

[@bite-sizedshorts9635]

@@JohnWickjr He made up the part about it killing him. There's nothing wrong with McDonald's if you can afford it. I can make burgers at home much cheaper. I do like the fish sandwiches, but they are way too high now. When they are on sale, I'll buy four at once, as they are so tiny.

[@mattmarzula]

Amazing how it took you so long.

[@mattmarzula]

​@@JohnWickjrtriple negative... Great way to make your point understood.

[@oddsman01]

“We’ve all forgotten about Al Gore.” No, sir. We havent .

[@christopheryellman533]

Wasn't he the guy who invented the internet? Or did he discover global warming from his seaside mansion?

[@thebluestig2654]

@@christopheryellman533 His wife tried to ban all music she didn't like. Nobody old enough to remember the PMRC will ever forget who they are.

[@christopheryellman533]

@@thebluestig2654 Oh, now I remember. Tipper.

[@aaronnelson7702]

"We're NOT going to take it!!!!" She waged a war against the likes of Twisted Sister.... She got fucked.

[@thebluestig2654]

@@aaronnelson7702 Dee Snider's testimony at the hearing was epic. The politicians never expected someone like him to be well spoken.

[@boom78]

In statistics we call these things confounding variables. Morgan implies health problems were caused by McDonalds food when the actual cause was alcoholism.

[@garry8390]

Yeah but come on

[@RonSwansonIsMyGod]

@@garry8390 Oh come on nothing...

[@somewhereinbetwixt]

in science we call that an over generalization

[@reubensandwich9249]

​@@theunaimedarrow4903 Don't forget him throwing up first time eating, which is a symptom of withdrawal along with all the other problems he had, which are symptoms of Alcoholism.

[@katofuntato466]

@@garry8390Yeah but still

[@jeremygilby1455]

I recall another scene, where Spurlock, particularly his girlfriend who was his medical expert, kept stating how Morgan was in such great health normally. So sad.

[@microfarming8583]

Poor guy took the covid shot and passed last month

[@mr.selfimprovement3241]

@@microfarming8583 Like every person who got the shot. Oh. wait?

[@ChronoTango]

@@mr.selfimprovement3241went into AFib this past January and the doctor told me, in the emergency room, “no more shots. We’ve been seeing problems with the shots.” Both of you jackasses wouldn’t know the difference between “exceptions to the rule” or the color gray, let alone a gray area.

[@finch2213]

She wast his medical expert. She was just his girlfriend who happened to be a vegan or vegetarian and fancied herself to know about nutrition.

[@starventure]

@@finch2213She was the giveaway that the whole thing was a fraud.

[@goombakiwi]

I'm 6'3" and was about 175 lbs (similar to Spurlock, he's very got 6 years on me) when I saw it. His first order; he emphasizes "how huge" the fries were. He then goes through the film fading in and out; showing his struggle to consume all the fries. Eventual he would vomit. I knew it was BS right then. "Dude, we're the same size and you can't eat one potato?"

[@banksuvladimir]

Setting all of that aside, if you have to force the food down in excess to have health effects, how is that a problem with the food? It’s not even addictive, your body was actively telling you to stop, you didn’t want to eat it, it felt bad to eat it, and you willfully shoved it down to prove some “point”. What’s next? Pouring salt in your eyes every day for a month to prove that big salt is evil and trying to destroyed your eyes?

[@0num4]

When your GI tract is fucked from 20+ years of alcohol abuse, one potato (not in bottle form) might be actually difficult to consume. My friend of a similar age to you and I, after he quit a couple of decades worth of drinking (retired sailor), has long-lasting GI problems. He can't safely consume any alleums, a number of different meats, gluten, or many other foods. He's not quite on a "bland" diet, but it's not much better.

[@GruppeSechs]

To be fair, Mcdonalds fries are so bad it's like eating 3 potatoes.

[@stephenrosenfelder4452]

5’9”, ate a “cup of fries”, no problem. That was about 1.5 to 2 supersized fries. I was younger and in much better shape then, but sure I could do it now.

[@fadenmac8092]

Been a while since I watched. I remember the scene (vomit), but I remember it was bc he was 5 or 6 meals deep of just McD's. It was the repetition of greasy food, more than the serving size.

[@gregoryrogalsky6937]

Stopping drinking alcohol is one of the best things you can do for yourself and your family.

[@iblockpuncheswithmyface1490]

And your wallet.

[@gcndc]

That's terrible advise. Drinking is great.

[@Absaalookemensch]

For decades it's been known that alcohol is the #1 contributor to death world wide.

[@MoreBollocks-ui2zs]

You have clearly not met enough people or families.

[@eodmax85]

​@@gcndc 😂😂😂 says ALL alcoholics. Die with the lie! Am I right alchy? 😂😂😂

[@ドライデ-ファッサ]

the worst Fake American documentary is Ai Gores "An Inconvenient Truth"!!!

[@MegaRayland]

Yup.

[@thepossessor]

If they manipulated data in that "documentary", who's to say that they're not still manipulating data to sell this CO2 "climate change" narrative/agenda

[@GenerallyTyler]

I bet you'd have to change little to nothing in the way live your life to reduce your carbon footprint. You're just scared so you cry it's not happening.

[@miltonhayek2494]

An AMAZING film! I watched this with my kids to show them how long this grift has been going on. It's so much better to show this because it was made by the same people that say the exact same crap today. Nothing proves the point better than all of the lies that haven't happened the way they said.

[@dansmith1661]

Everything related to WW2 German atrocities.

[@jodi2847]

"Super Size Me" was pure propaganda, which some (like Roger Ebert) believe is perfectly okay, so long as it's effectively persuasive.

[@habovay3]

Ebert also thought Purple Rain was one of 1984's Ten Best. A rock-solid example that a paid professional critic's opinion is no more or less valid than the common person's.

[@Goblinforge]

Goebels would be proud.

[@kayakMike1000]

​@@Goblinforge well, freedom of speech, but there is nuance. Goebbels may have attempted to incite violence.

[@PolarExpress_11-10]

When Roger was a kid McDonalds didn't exist and once it did exist it was just that little roadside pickup restaurant for a snack, not your full meal deal. Roger also didn't know that the shark in Jaws wouldn't work which is why they delayed its appearance.

[@DontKillFriends]

And? Fast Food is terrible for you. Are you trying to convince yourself it's fine?

[@VincitOmniaVeritas7]

We should remember using air quotes when talking about Michael Moore’s “documentaries”. Thanks.

[@quirkypurple]

Well they do document things. By definition they are documentaries. Whether the content is accurate or not is a different question. The bible is a book. I don't say it's a "book." Or the Quran is a book. Just because I don't think the content holds water, I don't deny it's a book.

[@bite-sizedshorts9635]

@@quirkypurple But the Bible is being confirmed as being true throughout more and more each year. There are claims that the Bible was written during the Babylonian captivity, but the history is more accurate than those people could have known. Please read the Bible cover to cover and study it.

[@kyle1847]

Peak irony is the fact that Spurlock is dead at 53, while Don Gorske - AKA the Big Mac guy - is still alive and eating multiple Big Macs daily at 71.

[@Wheretheportlandorarealadiesat]

Hahhah

[@J0shM0nster]

You know what’s not a fake documentary? Idiocracy.

[@rmcq1999]

America would be doing better under a President Mountain Dew Comacho than it is under Captain Joe Depends.

[@jasonfullerton7763]

Idiocracy was a warning, not a comedy.

[@countyfair74]

Also, Planet of the Apes.

[@robertgallagher7734]

Idiocracy has been more predictive than Nostradamas. Then again, so has the Simpsons.

[@PolarExpress_11-10]

Idiocracy was stupid, they had Brawndo and not Budweiser.

[@mikelezcurra810]

Not a concern anymore. People can no longer afford to eat at McDonalds.

[@brokengirl8619]

My husband is able to get discounts with his app. We got a whole meal from burger king the other day for $2. We only payed for the fries.

[@TheRealCaptainFreedom]

@@brokengirl8619*paid

[@jitblues]

Bidenomics works, sort of. Lose weight the Biden way...by starvation.

[@JohnnyDouchbag-nr5yf]

U shouldn't eat that poison even if it's free!!

[@Devin7Eleven]

@@jitbluesisn’t that just communism?

[@oddsman01]

Shocking to hear how fake Michael Moore is. 😂

[@flyoverkid55]

That's a joke, right?

[@oddsman01]

@@flyoverkid55 sarcasm is but one of the services i provide. For example, deep down champagne socialist are the best people ever, and of course they’re taking climate change seriously with 3 waterfront properties and a private jet.

[@flyoverkid55]

@@oddsman01 I'm with you. BTW, it's " champagne ".

[@oddsman01]

@@flyoverkid55 fixed . I think. I put more trust in spell check than i used to

[@johnhatchel9681]

He's not even from Flint. He's from Davison which is a very safe little town.

[@charlesferdinand422]

Worst fake docupropaganda pieces: -"An incovenient truth" (Al Gore) -"Sicko" (Michael Moore) -"Bowling for Columbine" (Michael Moore) -"Fahrenheit 9/11" (Michael Moore) -"Super size me" (Morgan Spurlock)

[@NonEuclideanTacoCannon]

I saw that movie in health class in 8th grade and immediately called BS when it ended. There was about a year and a half or so when I was a kid that we had McDonalds for nearly every meal. Divorce happened, we lived in a trailer without a kitchen, and McDonalds used to be really cheap in the before-fore times. If it wasn't McD's it was Pizza Hut, which is objectively worse. I was healthy as could be. My dad was too, so it wasn't just an age thing. By that movie's logic, I should have been a fat, tumor-ridden invalid on dialysis by the time I was 13. Never mind that my 3 Big Mac a day dad was building an entire house every couple of months. Dude could climb a ladder with 2 90 pound packs of roofing over his shoulder.

[@JohnDoe-pt7ru]

Lack of activity is the biggest reason people are fat and unhealthy. Granted that fast food is indeed bad for you but the problem is that people are basically inert in their everyday lives sitting in chairs.

[@ironymatt]

I wouldn't go so far as to call it total bs. We do have an epidemic of childhood diabetes and obesity now that have far surpassed rates in the past, and there's a correlation there with the fact that most of those tragically unhealthy kids aren't running around building houses like your dad

[@3rdEyeWide]

Obviously your dad had an occupation that could justify the caloric intake (and being his son/daughter, you were probably influenced to be pretty active, too).

[@beauzer36]

And the reason the food doesn't decompose is because it has no moisture content. It's all very dry and salty which isn't a problem unless you don't drink anything.

[@machtnichtsseimann]

@@JohnDoe-pt7ru - Yes, by all means, stay active. Vital. Resist being simplistic and vague with "fast food is indeed bad for you". A very broad category, and crusaders on an extremist level are riddled with their own bias(es). These topics are by definition very complex, yet both sides, if you will, are corrupted by greed and lust for power. Much of "fast food", off the top of my head, is probably bad for me, personally, but a classic In 'N Out or Chick-fil-A with lemonade? That'll do me good.

[@carolyna.869]

In Gary Null's documentary "The Drugging of Our Children" Michael Moore admits that what caused the Columbine shooters to kill were the psych meds they were on. They also used to write comics complaining about the day care centers they were raised in. Tossing out mothers from the home and demanding they work has had so many horrific consequences.

[@Mark-sd4hv]

Ding ding ding while they try to relate every mass shooting to AR15's, we actually have something that is present in 99.98% of mass killings of any type: SSRI's

[@leftseat30]

100%. Raise. Your. Kids.

[@bite-sizedshorts9635]

Also, it turns out that 100% of mass shooters, if registered to vote, are Democrats. Zero Republicans.

[@fazole]

"Programmed to Kill" by Dave McGowan. An interesting read. On archiveDAATorg.

[@thedemonnemo]

Spurlock later admitted to recreational use of Amphetamines during the period that included filming Super Size Me.

[@gitman3486]

to be fair though that should have made him thinner

[@thedemonnemo]

@@gitman3486not necessarily if you are a heavy drinker, but Amphetamines WILL screw up your blood levels.

[@kingofthorns203]

Real paragon of society this guy (sarc)

[@gildedlillian6259]

I have yet to see a documentary that isn't trying to amplify a single point of view.

[@tubetorpedo]

I think there are some if just few. E.g. documentarian Cassie Jaye seems to be one who has managed to balance on that line quite well. Even reading reviews of her stuff there are many who say there are two sides and both are given change to build their case and after film is ended people naturally have their personal biases but did not feel that documentary maker had deliberately underlined the "correct viewpoint" viewer should take while taking the film.

[@aaronkcmo]

there are tons. if you want an easy one to watch that stays true to the format and is not at all boring try Chicken People.

[@NoLegalPlunder]

The documentary Fathead was a great counter to Spurlock’s nonsense.

[@willisskull2676]

Great documentary that completely changed my perspective on Supersize Me and food as a whole.

[@r.rodriguez4991]

Yes! It's disappointing how few people know about Fat Head. We watched Supersize Me in Health class. If any food documentary deserves to be shown in school it's Fat Head.

[@rickshark3783]

Thanks, watching it now.

[@YouAreStillNotablaze]

Except it was done 6 years later so unless we have confirmation that McDonald's ingredients were the same in 2009 as they were in 2003, it's a bad take.

[@r.rodriguez4991]

@@YouAreStillNotablaze That's a really bad take right there. Do you have any evidence that the ingredients might have changed so that the calorie count would change by a substantial amount? I think we're talking at least 20%.

[@rfphill]

His last few sentences of this clip about 'An Inconvenient Truth' is so spot on. Albert Gore should be laughed off the stage everywhere he goes to shill his pseudo science.

[@monotech20.14]

Except it wasn't wrong.

[@rfphill]

@@monotech20.14 yeah, lol, it was a fraud of a documentary... Even it's staunchest defenders admit that now..

[@frmerrin2]

@@monotech20.14 How many of his doom and gloom predictions have come to pass?

[@monotech20.14]

@@frmerrin2 Maybe read a newspaper. Read the news somewhere other than ReasonTv.

[@metalman_j]

But he was absolutely right about ManBearPig.

[@steverichter9825]

"We all forgot about Al Gore..." Yeah, thanks for bringing him up. I almost entirely forgot about him! And, here I was having a great day... 😜

[@mtbartist]

The whole documentary was crap because Morgan never posted any of the meals or data of what he ate. A great rebuff to “supersize me” is the documentary called “fathead” made shortly after Supersize me in which a guy also eats att McDonald’s BUT documents online all of the things that he ate over that time for everyone to see. Fathead is still on KZbin and is worth a watch in my estimation.

[@brianbagnall3029]

For whatever reason, lefties are always the ones to embrace factually challenged documentaries such as Supersize Me or Fahrenheit 911.

[@monotech20.14]

Wrong. The whole point was that he was going to eat everything on the menu at least once. Maybe you don't remember since this doc is over 15 years old.

[@ClassicJukeboxBand]

By Tom Naughton. One of my favorite movies.

[@punklover99]

​@@monotech20.14yeah and it was still bullshit

[@monotech20.14]

@@punklover99 Wrong. "The Associated Press contacted more than 100 climate researchers and questioned them about the film's veracity. All 19 climate scientists who had seen the movie or had read the homonymous book said that Gore accurately conveyed the science, with few errors."

[@tabcat]

Kinda suprised he didn't mention Disney's True-Life Adventures. The lemming suicide myth lasted for decades because of them.

[@Robostate]

At least it spawned an awesome video game!

[@kevinhornbuckle]

Everyone knows that eating at McDonalds causes lemmings to kill themselves.

[@morrismonet3554]

Nanook had to be called a documentary so they could get the boobies past the censors at the time.

[@ConradSpoke]

The famous Iwo Jima flag raising photo is in no way fake or staged. This is an ugly myth. It shows the second flag erected, which was done at great risk to all involved. The first flag raised was smaller, but was celebrated by every American present. The photo of that flag was artistically unremarkable. The Navy actively suppressed that first photo, and allowed people to believe that the beautiful second photo was actually the initial flag raising. Sure, this was propagandistic manipulation, but the photo itself was in no way staged or phony.

[@kborak]

It was staged man. Its not a second flag. The man even said he had them stage the actual flag raising because he missed it. Im a vet, my father and his brother were both Marines in Vietnam. Even they knew what you are saying is wrong. Oh, I can not leave out my mothers brother in law, he was the navigator on H-1's doing med-evac. Served three tours over there. He knew better too.

[@065Tim]

​@@kborakThe second flag raising shot wasn't staged, 3 marines died later that battle. When Rosenthal was asked if he staged "the photo" he thought they meant the Gung Ho picture, taken days later. He said "Sure". You wouldnt rely on a historian for helicopter navigation, would you?

[@bldbar118]

Second flag not erected at great risk. You’re a bit into folklore, as the other guys points out.

[@TheRealCaptainFreedom]

It was a total photo op. GTFOH with that bullshit. They raised tons of money from selling war bonds off of that photo. It was a noble cause, so I say no big deal. But what is actually troubling is the fact that Iwo Jima was a remote rock in the middle of the Pacific Ocean that had almost zero strategic military significance. From Wikipedia: The action was controversial, with retired Chief of Naval Operations William V. Pratt stating that the island was useless to the Army as a staging base and useless to the Navy as a fleet base. The Japanese continued to have early-warning radar from Rota island, which was never invaded.” Americans also died at a rate of 3 for every two Japanese soldier killed. Over 20,000 Americans died in this one battle, which alone accounted for about a third of America’s total deaths in WWII. All for a cheesy photo op.

[@603me.]

The "staged" myth comes from Rosenthal misunderstanding a question. He thought he was being asked about the "Gung Ho" picture, for which he did have the Marines pose. He maintained that he got lucky on the flag raising shot (also filmed by a Marine photog), seeing it start up out of the corner of his eye, and just snapping a picture.

[@timtrial3971]

If you see the book Al Gore produced in the reference section of a public or school library as I have, relocate it to the fiction section.

[@jdlotus8253]

When you said " fake documentary" I was ready to type " an inconvenient truth". Thank you for mentioning it.

[@lv1543]

We really complained about getting all that food for cheap. Now its like 7x the cost and we are lucky if the patty is thicker than a pickle…..

[@monotech20.14]

Wrong.

[@zzygyy]

Good riddance to processed food. The downfall of many lives.

[@RipliWitani]

You say good riddance, but our economy runs off fast food.

[@lv1543]

@@zzygyy fast food is a luxury treat item. A responsible person may get it once a week or monthly. I would enjoy it even more if it was larger portions for smaller prices. I dont care if others cant help themselves.

[@fazole]

​@@RipliWitani And we ALL pay for it in terms of the undisclosed health problems it creates. Obesity at record levels and diabetes with it. Interesting that obesity in China, especially in children was unheard of UNTIL fast food was introduced. No one knows what all the food additives in concert, do to our bodies because fda doesn't require such an indrpendent study, especially anything long term.

[@Jaster_Mereel]

Iwo Jima wasn't faked. It was re-done.

[@goblin-night]

A.K.A. faked to recreate the original.

[@JacobBarbee-jf4fy]

More like it went from just plant the damn flag so we can claim the hill, to a flag worthy of the sacrifice and a picture that all the mothers at home could see to know their kids sacrifice wasn't for naught. Maybe?

[@aaronkcmo]

@@goblin-night A.K.A. enhanced to provide a better view of the flag for the guys not on top of the mountain. The second flag was not put up for a photo, it was put up because the first flag was not visible enough.

[@NickFromDetroit]

Correct. Not faked, nor staged. There were two different flag raisings. The first was a smaller flag that was documented in photographs. The second, ordered by a naval officer, with a bigger flag was recorded on motion picture film AND the famous Iwo Jima flag raising photograph that everyone knows. The rumor that it was staged, or posed, came from the photographer who, when asked about the second flag raising, but he thought they meant the first raising, said he had the men pose for the photo. He had no idea that he had captured the famous image we all know. It has been proven that his famous photo aligns perfectly with the film footage of the big flag raising.

[@mrnobody4125]

I mean, it's true that our portion sizes are out of control, and that's part of why we're fatter. Our stomach ends up chasing our eyes, and it's also true that eating fast food all the time isn't a great idea. But it's all just commonsense stuff, not something that involves any conspiracy or requires massive governmental intervention. We just need more personal responsibility and action.

[@fazole]

We don't know what's in fast food, what the combined effects are, and no long term study done. So you are assuming something based on 0 data.

[@ElenaSanchezDelgado-rr1qj]

Un Español incluso uno que coma mal no aguanta ni una semana comiendo comida rápida ya pronto se siente asqueado y recurrirá a frutas y verduras 100% verídico nuestra comida es de las mejores del mundo

[@darrellcurrier5571]

at least the blair witch project was a real documentary

[@aaronkcmo]

lol. so good that they're making it again apparently.

[@melainewhite6409]

It was clear to me it was fake when I saw the scene of him forcing food down to the point he vomited. If you force _any_ food from _any_ place you'll make yourself vomit. And then in his follow-up movie about how it is not possible to live on minimum wage I noted his crafty lie. People don't appear out of the ether in a strange city only to struggle. Everyone is guaranteed 18 years to prepare with all their basic needs met. Don't move to a new strange city with no money, stay where you've had 18+ years to prepare and have already acquired necessities.

[@dfdf4874]

The real question is if it’s as profoundly fake as the libertarian candidate for president?

[@davedamiano]

I'm proud to say my bullshit meter was ringing during "Supersize Me." I did not know about Spurlock's drinking as a likely cause of his liver condition.

[@ibleebinU]

Add Rosa Parks to that list

[@jayobannon5359]

Don't forget David Attenborough's documentaries.

[@Stevie-J]

I love nature documentaries so I'm going to actively not look into that.. the same way I try to not learn anything about musicians when I like their music

[@caeserromero3013]

Even before him nature documentarists were faking stuff, like the Lemmings. They didn't jump off the cliff, the film makers pushed them.

[@martinhd28v1]

Sounds like you have a great idea for a documentary. I'd love to see you guys make one exposing the history of "faking it" in documentaries and the media.

[@brianbagnall3029]

And figure out why it's always lefties who embrace these fake documentaries.

[@TheRealMightyHokie]

For me me I felt the whole thing was disingenuous from the start. I mean he went in and ate like three Big Macs and three large fries and two soft drinks and three apple pies at every meal and was like see if you eat at McDonald's you'll get fat! Hell, if you eat 50 salads a day you'll get fat.

[@lars5288]

Our mcdonalds once had a bigmac for a euro. For a whole month i went there from Monday to Friday during work lunch break and ate 2-3 bigmacs. I neither gained weight, nor that i had any change in health. And a normal person can't and won't eat the amount he ate in that documentary. I even struggle with more than two bigmacs and i never had anything added to them, no fries or what else.

[@RipliWitani]

Yes but was it supersized?

[@TheSipherArcher]

Love the response documentary that came out, “Fat Head” !

[@jacobstamm]

Cancer culture strikes again

[@michaellowe3665]

Do you think he will be replaced with a lesbian woman of color?

[@hoonaignachowaneha]

The guy who made fat head tweeted about spurlock's death and said "Oh by the way i am still living." Lmao.

[@briant7265]

A major problem with these "documentaries" is that there is a NEED to produce compelling results. Supersize Me would never have sold if it was just 30 days of eating cheeseburgers and nothing remarkable happened. Two documentaries (written, not movies) are worthy of note though. Hiroshima by John Hershey tells the stories of some of the victims of the bombing. He went there and did extensive research and interviews. There was no risk of returning with a giant nothingburger, thus no need to make things up or embellish the facts. He also does an amazing job of just presenting what happened, without injecting politics and emotion. (The stories will cause an emotional response, but it's the reader's emotions, not the writer's.) Black Like Me by John Howard Griffin is his story (his journal) from disguising himself as a black man and traveling through the South. It is his personal story, and he is not so disposing in it's telling. He documents his own reactions to his experiences as much as he does the experiences themselves. Still, in 1959 there was zero chance of finding a nothingburger. The fact that he was genuinely surprised at things he found lends the work credibility.

[@michaellowe3665]

I always thought I could at least trust nature documentaries, but there was Disney driving lemmings off a cliff to their death.

[@nedhill1242]

The government hired an environmentalist to figure out how many polar bears were left because everybody thought they were going extinct, but she actually found out there’s more polar bears now than at any time since we’ve been keeping track so they fires her and the government still promotes those polar bear climate change propaganda commercials.

[@danielhurst8863]

The raising of the Flag on Iwo Jima was not faked. There were more than one raising, because the first was so small, a second, much larger flag, was raised. The second flag raising was not staged for the photo, in fact, Rosenthal almost missed taking the picture.

[@nomdeguerre7265]

There are also other photos, taken of the flag afterward, that are 'posed' (Marines cheering under the flag for example) but still not at all 'staged'.

[@jimhurst6168]

Actually the burgers at McDonald are pretty good for you the problem are the fries, laced with sugar, and fried in corn or soybean oils and the soda.

[@monotech20.14]

The beef as well is laced w/ sugar and salt.

[@aaronkcmo]

the buns, the beef, the fries. everything has tons of sugar.

[@monotech20.14]

@@aaronkcmo Exactly.

[@bite-sizedshorts9635]

The fries and soft drinks are where they make the most profit. They sell you a drink for over $1 when It costs them 10 cents or less.

[@fazole]

You have no idea what's in their beef. Billion$ lawsuit for cancer from Roundup. That stuff is sprayed on gmo grain cows eat.

[@davidhill850]

I take issue with him saying Iwo Jima was faked. It was not. It actually happened. Most people may not realize that there were two raisings of the flag on top of the mountain. The original one was a smaller flag and wasn't as dramatic. The flag seems out of proportion to the several men raising the flag. So they did it again with a much bigger flag that looks way "cooler". So, I wouldn't call it fake, I might say recreated or staged, but it definitely happened.

[@geneeverett7855]

The photo was not shat they claimed.

[@NickFromDetroit]

The second flag was not raised to be cooler. Not staged or recreated, either. A naval officer wanted a bigger flag raised so the whole island could see it. Even though there were many Japs still in caves & spider holes all over Mt. Suribachi. Three of the Marine flag raisers in the famous photograph were KIA on Iwo Jima.

[@RoyArrowood]

All I can say about Nanook is, watch out where the huskies go and don't eat the yellow snow

[@bite-sizedshorts9635]

Okay, Frank.

[@samhelsel443]

I think he was right about one thing though. When you drop a McDonald's French Fry down the side of your car seat, you can find it there 5 years later and it'll still look the same

[@zgSH4DOW]

And?

[@samhelsel443]

@@zgSH4DOW What do you mean "and"? What else would you like to know about my simple statement?

[@marcchampagnephilosopher]

Everyone knew who the "bad guy" was, in advance of any "experiment." Anti-capitalist sentiment, not argument or evidence, settled that. Everything in the movie was thus performative. Fun stuff, but with no seriousness whatsoever.

[@WitoldPilecki551]

There was another one that repeated this experiment, but sandwich only, no fries and only water. The guy was just as healthy at the end as at the beginning.

[@dinosaurdude5668]

This is a good lesson for all of us. No matter if fast food, weather, or energy, ‘large’ documentaries are slanted to one side.

[@bobbobertson7568]

Big Mac itself is pretty benign. Only 530 calories. Most entrees at your local restaurant will push you north of 1,500 or 2,000 calories.

[@monotech20.14]

You do understand the difference, correct? Spurlock never said you can't eat healthily at McDonalds nor is it bad for you once in a while.

[@fireboy1996]

I remember watching the so called documentary and thinking to the lines of "So if you take meat, salad, bread and potatoes separately they are a normal and recommended part of the food pyramid/circle, but if you put them together they become poison. Makes sense".

[@fazole]

Who do you think authored the Food Pyramid?

[@billkammermeier]

I lost weight eating McDonald's. I just get plain burger patties. No buns nothing

[@KC9UDX]

I lost a ton of weight going on an all-McDonalds diet for budgetary reasons fifteen years ago. I had a cheeseburger, small order of fries, and medium drink. Every day. My wife got a chicken sandwich and medium drink and the total was $5.11

[@morrismonet3554]

@@KC9UDX That was a standard order back in the '50s and '60s. Obesity was rare.

[@stdamonsbeard]

The worst part of a fast food meal is the soda and sides. If you just order the burger it’s not too bad calorie wise.

[@f__kyoudegenerates]

@@KC9UDX No one cares

[@KidHorn7001]

You skipped 80% of the food. Why didn't you just order chicken nuggets?

[@j_sum1]

You missed out David Attenborough. Everything cleverly edited to spin a false narrative.

[@ndfnq7811]

Now you can't upgrade to a Supersized fries and drink anymore but you can buy an unlimited amount of large fries and drinks.

[@bite-sizedshorts9635]

I never buy anything but a small or senior size drink. You can always get the cup refilled as many times as you want. It's a waste of money to buy any larger drink. Fast food places make their biggest markups on drinks and fries. Since I'm now a senior, I get free drinks at Wendy's and just buy the hamburgers.

[@gottesurteil3201]

You won't ever find me simping for fast food but my response to that documentary was always "so what?"

[@JLE8811]

I called it out 20 years ago!!

[@BrandonChristison]

I immediately thought when watching Super Size Me that it was ridiculous. Fathead was a great counter, with my favorite part of the concept being that as an adult consumer you can choose what you order and eat instead of having to order what they ask you to.

[@oldsguy354]

The photos of the flag raisings on Iwo Jima (both 1st and 2nd) were not staged events. There's even film footage that attests the 2nd raising was genuine. Most of the participants of both flag raisings were killed in the remaining battles on Iwo Jima. It's a good thing to identify and point out staged events that are presented as genuine, but it's quite a short of good to claim a genuine, historically accurate photograph is fake when it is not.

[@geneeverett7855]

They lied about it. Same difference

[@NickFromDetroit]

@@geneeverett7855, No, they didn’t. You just lied about it.

[@WarlockX4]

He basically allowed Whack Arnolds to charge us full price for another small/medium/large fries instead of just .39 cents. Thanks Dick.

[@bite-sizedshorts9635]

I remember back in 1971 when I could buy a cheeseburger, fries, and a Coke for 50 cents total, not even any sales tax.

[@cartermayfield]

I thought that Super Size me was sus as I was watching it. A lot of his “symptoms” were subjective. It truly made me think of the medium of documentary while I watched it. I think it came after the “Inconvenient Truth” documentary that was misleading as well. This was the “golden age of documentary.” It is an instruction book on how to manipulate.

[@andybrice2711]

Also even if it were accurate. Surely the takeaway (no pun intended) is “everything in moderation”. Most tasty foods would not be healthy if you gorged yourself on them every day. Its premise always seemed too contrived to me.

[@nealorr5086]

Ok, let's pump the breaks a bit. You go to MacDonald's every meal for a week (3 per day) and get a large corn-syruped coke or Sprite with lunch and dinner and it all of it and come back to us and let us know how you're feeling.

[@cartermayfield]

@@nealorr5086, not only that... he also stopped exercising. It was an experiment in how unhealthy he could be. And yip... that's pretty unhealthy. It was the sex drive stuff that made me say... "c'mon!"

[@nealorr5086]

@@cartermayfield Yeah, the not-exercising portion was dishonest, but you didn't mention that in your original comment. I believed AGW hypothesis until around 2011 when I noticed that it wasn't getting any warmer, then did some research and realized it was all a scam (like the honey bees, I learned today, courtesy of John Stossell).

[@bite-sizedshorts9635]

@@nealorr5086 I would feel fine. I happen to know that your body can only process a certain amount of food in a day. The rest goes down the toilet. When I eat a lot, I poop more.

[@Unknown_Pie]

"Another dollop of whatever they're serving you"? Have you ever eaten at McDonalds?

[@bite-sizedshorts9635]

I've never had a "dollop" of anything at a fast food place. Now at the school cafeteria when I was in high school, I could get some extra food, and even get a whole plate of food after everyone else had been served.

[@TheSaturnV]

So the only real documentary we are left with is "Office Space."

[@RunaroundAtNight]

I had a film teacher tell "that to be a good filmmaker you have to be a good liar. To be a good documentary filmmaker, you have to be a great liar."

[@andrewdewit4711]

Documentaries on nuclear (Fukushima etc) are also often chock full of fake assertions

[@nunyabaznus7851]

Nukes don't exist.

[@twodogs5395]

Michael Moore said Roger Smith wouldn't meet with him for Roger & Me when he met with Roger Smith 3 times. His entire career has been a lie.

[@kinpatu]

It’s complete cognitive bias to be hypercritical of government budget accounting at every opportunity but blindly swallow some nonsense that a majority of study participants lost weight consuming 6000 kcal/day for one month.

[@apdanielski]

That raised my eye brows too. Unless they were insanely tall, high preforming athletes, ain't nobody losing weight on 6,000 cals a day

[@polyhistorphilomath]

An excess of grease or fat in the diet might actually lead to continual flux and weight loss from the month long fast.

[@Fritz_Lost_Sanity]

Super Size Me was dumb because it was a person making a choice to super size their food and force themself to eat it all entirely. There’s nothing profound to uncover with that. I saw a counter, called Bowling For Morgan, in which the guy ate McDonald’s for 30 days, never supersized anything and changed orders throughout his meals, while still exercising. Turns out-he also wasn’t a drinker, so his lab results were actually alright. That’s why I’ve always kind of hated Super Size Me.

[@venomnbk3326]

Super Size Me, Religulous, and Fast Food Nation, are the Reefer Madness of our time.

[@mitchelhuott8484]

The Iwo photo was recreated not faked, and the photographer admitted that. They raised the flag and Marines on the beach saw that and knew they had the advantage, but the photography wanted to recreate the shot and had them raise up the flag. Also, raising the flag did not mean the end of the battle, they fought for an additional three days. The shot also represents one of the most vicious amphibious assault landings in history.

[@MrSmackdab]

that's why I get my news from the Onion

[@bite-sizedshorts9635]

Babylon Bee is funnier, and a lot of it actually comes true.

[@KidHorn7001]

Seems like being an alcoholic is a pretty big thing to leave out of the documentary. Others things you should probably mention is if you're undergoing chemotherapy or are allergic to ketchup.

[@Joeyjojoshabbadoo]

That was a joke of a movie. It was so blatantly over the top, and transparent. Maybe for a documentary it was sort of engaging and well-made, whatever. But you could just see the desperation of the guy wanting to make it in the film world. And he had to come up with something that would grab you, some kind of cool gimmick. And the premise was so weak, and so contrived. But it worked. He calculated rightly. Always be hustling, that's the name of the game. And he got the brass ring, and it worked for him, and made his name.

[@Andy-AJC72]

I remember when this book came out and the local news interviewed a body builder that basically pounded down mass quantities of McDonald’s 3x a day, worked out like crazy, and was in phenomenal health. Pretty funny. 😂

[@Edaloy27]

Ok, wait people ate 6k calories of McDonalds daily and lost weight? I’m calling bs

[@davidm2031]

100% you could eat 6k cals of lettuce and you would still gain weight

[@deman7276]

Exactly, whats even more concerning is the amount of people just eating this guys crap up in the comments section. Like do people even think for a second lol?

[@WayStedYou]

I thin he meant to say kilojoules since it was a swedish study which tracks because its 8700 kj or about 2000 calories a day suggested.

[@bite-sizedshorts9635]

@@davidm2031 Nope, because it takes more calories to digest lettuce than it contains.

[@davidm2031]

@@bite-sizedshorts9635 that is a myth. Just Google, buddy 🙄

[@the_mowron]

Nanook of the North was portraying the stone age existence of the Inuit before they had modern tools. Calling it fake is silly. It's a very impressive movie for the time it was made (1918-ish).

[@jakubzneba1965]

i just got hungry

[@joefaller4525]

Pretty sure the Iwo Jima flag raising I wouldn't call fake. It was a reenactment, It actually happened and the photographer had them do it again so he could photograph it. I would classify that differently. Maybe it's semantics with me, but I think there is a clear difference.

[@justinmadrid8712]

Watch Massimo Mazzucco’s documentaries ‘American Moon’ and ‘A New Pearl Harbor’

[@torque91]

Documentarians are like magicians: they carefully distract you with what they want you to see so you don't see what they don't want you to see.

[@milo8425]

If obese people switched from caloric excess "healthy" foods to eating caloric deficit McDonald's every day, they'd be immeasurably healthier and lose their excess weight.

[@seancarristhebest]

It's almost impossible to consistently be at a caloric excess on ",healthy" foods. Put another way, no one ever got obese eating meat and vegetables

[@admthrawnuru]

Presumably Kevin Maginnis did that

[@buckiemohawk3643]

thats what happens i lived off of fast food for awhile and you will drop weight and also might actually get a stomach illness which will cause weight loss. He caused fast food prices to rise and damaged the business

[@professorhaystacks6606]

...Well you'd lose weight, anyway. Healthier is going to depend on a lot of factors.

[@phenom568]

I assume this doesn't mean anything on the menu and in whatever volume you desire? Is this just another way of saying eat what you want as long as you take in less calories than you are burning?

[@CarbonGlassMan]

My son wanted me to watch that years ago. He didn't notice, but I pointed it out to him, the man completely stopped exercising when he began eating nothing but McDonald's. Do he stopped burning calories & started taking in a lot more calories.

[@corydrichmond]

The Iwo Jima flag raising wasn’t faked. The mythology behind that flag raising is.

[@samholdsworth420]

It was raised twice...

[@Andrew-ps6xe]

Call it "highly structured" then. The camera crew wasn't there by happenstance, and it wasn't a candid shot.

[@corydrichmond]

@@samholdsworth420 I know

[@corydrichmond]

@@Andrew-ps6xe it wasnt staged. It was the second flag raising because the Marine Commander wanted the first flag for the unit and also want a larger at the summit of Mt. Suribachi. The short footage and still taken from the footage has been highly mythologized and was used for American war propaganda but the way that flag was raised was not "high structured" or staged. Go read Flags of Our Fathers written by the son of one of the men who raised it.

[@nomdeguerre7265]

Exactly. It wasn't 'staged', or 'posed' or in any way at all 'fake', and the second flag raising had nothing at all to do with the famous photograph, except that a photographer happened to take a shot (as well as a few others, that ARE, obviously, posed - such as gathered under the flag cheering) of the second flag raising (after which the flag raisers were involved in combat with Japanese troops, right in the area). No one, even the photographer, thought much about it, until they saw the remarkable image and it became so incredibly popular. A Marine officer, Lt. Col. Chandler Johnson, ordered a larger flag that could be seen more widely across the Island to be raised. Other higher officers wanted the first flag too and requested the initial flag be brought to them. It wasn't though. It was 'intercepted' by the commander of the Marines that had climbed Suribachi. It also wasn't the only shot of the second flag raising. There were several other shots taken as well. Even though it was the 'second' flag raising the immediate area was still a combat area, and the Marines who had raised it were involved in firefights in the immediate area shortly after the second flag raising. Interestingly a photographer who had accompanied the first group of Marines wanted to photograph the first flag raising but was unable to do so due to the 'interference' of Japanese gun and mortar fire. That photographer later died in the battle.

[@rmcq1999]

I am reminded of the Frank Zappa masterpiece, "Nanook Rubs It".

[@johnkling3537]

Consequence of this movie, no more supersize Diet Coke. Exactly how does a diet beverage increase calorie intake and lead to obesity? ☹️🆘

[@kinpatu]

It triggers a hunger response resulting in subsequent increase in caloric intake, assuming the patient is in an ad libitum environment.

[@professorhaystacks6606]

@@kinpatu There are also scattered reports of artificial sweeteners confusing insulin response when consumed in large amounts, though I'm not sure how solid that is.

[@kinpatu]

@@professorhaystacks6606 That’s still an open question. There may be something there but unresolved, as you said. Artificial sweeteners work for some people, but ideally it’s best to just transition off sweeteners altogether. It’s all relative. Artificial sweetener is better than sugar, but abstinence is better than artificial sweetener.

[@anderseckstrand7033]

@kinpatu……A lot of those artificial sweeteners have carcinogens in them……sugar doesn’t. Just use honey as a sweetener if needed.

[@kinpatu]

@@anderseckstrand7033 You have to weigh the risks. In artificial sweeteners to get a statistically significant dose of carcinogens, you’d have to be eating many pounds of sweetener per day. Meanwhile, sugar / honey / dextrose / sucrose / pick your chemical arrangement is leading to weight gain (which raises risk for cancer) and straining the pancreas (raising the risk for diabetes, which leads to heart disease and tissue death). My main point is that these “foods” simply aren’t necessary; they are an addiction learned in childhood. The ideal approach is to eliminate them altogether. Just like tobacco and alcohol.

[@vincenth.8793]

What frustrates me is that this documentary is what made McDs take away the "Supersize" option. Don't take away my choices, especially on fraud or fallacies. Thank you

[@bite-sizedshorts9635]

But all fast food places enlarged the "small" cups to medium or larger. Hardee's and Wendy's are the only places I know of where I can get a really small soft drink. Senior drinks are free at Wendy's.

[@hjf3022]

Are you sure about that 6000 calorie Swedish comment? Are you sure it wasn't 600? It would be highly implausible for people to eat 6000 calories of anything a day and lose weight, let alone McDonald's.

[@WayStedYou]

I think he meant kilojoules not calories when the suggested is 8700 seeing as its a swedish study

[@bite-sizedshorts9635]

Your body can't absorb but so much in a day. The excess goes down the toilet. At my height and weight, experts say I need over 3000 calories a day just to stay the same weight. Whenever I eat a lot more than normal, I poop a lot more. That's a fact.

[@RedZebb]

After listening to the discussion I agree the title is appropriate and not clickbait.

[@rfitzsimmons]

Pretty sure raising the flag at Iwo Jima was noy "fake."

[@reedwright301]

The actual flag raising was real (and also unnecessary, BTW). The iconic photograph, that actually won a Pulitzer, if I'm not mistaken, was totally contrived. The photographer missed the first raising. He requested it to be done again and it was. Many of men in the photo died later that day.

[@admthrawnuru]

It was staged for the photo op. Yes they actually raised the flag and yes they had recently taken the area, but it was not organic

[@koobs4549]

Saying it was fake makes it sound like it never happened & the whole thing was preconceived. I think a better way to state the facts is that it was a recreation of an historical event, the significance of which is still debated. I wouldn’t put this photo in the same category as Migrant Mother or Lunch atop a Skyscraper though

[@nealorr5086]

@@koobs4549 "staged" is the word you are looking for.

[@samholdsworth420]

It was raised twice the second time was staged

[@Ambinwoke]

In my twenties, I too did eat Mcdonalds three times a day for one year with gratitude.

[@deman7276]

Bro this guy has no clue what hes talking about. A mcdonalds super sized meal 3 times a day would net you 3500+ calories, 300% of your total fats, sugars, salts, and cholesterols for the day. You cant fake that. Also, this "study" of 6500+ calories a day for 30 days and they lost weight is the real bullshit lol. There is no nutritionist, certified dietary manager, diet technician, registered dietician, personal trainer/health coach, or doctor on the planet that would corroborate that load of crap. The average person requires 1800 calories or so a day just to stay at the same weight without adjusting for activity, height, and health issues. In no world does what he said even make sense. I am literally in nutrition at the department of nutrition in a hospital. I teach classes, have certifications, put meal plans together, fitness plans, and manage the patient care section where i work at in the department. DO NOT LISTEN TO HIM! Eat healthy, maintain around a 2k calorie a day diet with at least 90-120g of protein, 160-200g of carbs, healthy carbs btw not sugar, and around 60 grams of fat, unsaturated, a day. Make sure to have moderate activity at least 30 minutes a day 5 times a week.

[@bite-sizedshorts9635]

According to what I read, it would take over 3,000 calories a day for me to stay the same size. I don't eat that much. If I eat more than normal, I poop more, so the excess goes away. So I guess your "average person" is only 5 feet tall and weighs less than 100 pounds. That was probably me in 3rd grade.

[@deman7276]

@@bite-sizedshorts9635 you’re lying. Again, this is literally my job, idc what you “read” or “heard”. This guys trying to tell you that 6k calories will let you lose weight. You believe everything you hear or read? You don’t poop out excess, you absorb it and the waste is pooped out. Barring health issues ofc. You do not have or need a 3k calorie diet unless you are 7ft tall. And even then it’s not 3k lol. The only reason you need 3k is if your power lifting and trying to achieve a weight goal. I don’t even think you know how much 3k calories a day even is dude, outside of junk food trying to eat a balanced 3k a day diet is an actual job, it’s work. A chicken breast is less than 200 calories on average. Vegetables per serving are around 30. Even a soda is only 150 a can. That’s 15 chicken breasts a day or 9 steaks or 7 cheeseburgers, and that’s not even balancing your macros let alone micros. Nobody needs that on this earth in order to keep their weight the same unless like I said, health issues or a lifestyle choice.

[@deman7276]

@@bite-sizedshorts9635 you know what I’ll give you some info so you can read something else. Your bmr is the total calories you need just to live. It averages between 1k and 2k depending on height and health concerns. Mine is 1848 per day for a 5’8” male. If I eat less than that I metabolize muscle meaning my muscle mass decreases irregardless of how much protein I ingest because my body needs the calories just to function. If my daily activity, walking, exercising, or any activity other than sitting and breathing exceeds the calories of what I eat over my bmr, I lose fat and weight. If my activity falls beneath my caloric intake I gain fat and weight. Over long periods of time it adds up. A moderate 1 hr lifting session at the gym would net you around a 500 calorie deficit. A 30 minute moderate cardio activity, rowing, swimming, stair climbing, running, would net you around the same but it does not gain muscle mass at the same rate. If you need 3k calories a day to MAINTAIN weight then you are a 6’6” 20 year old who weighs 200 pounds. If that’s you then sure but this is less than 10 percent of the world population so I doubt it. Even at 5’10” 35 years old with a weight of 180 and light activity for a day you’re still less than 2500 kcals a day. Would love to know where you got your info from because I got mine from school.

[@fazole]

Do you account for the type of food in your calorie counting? Do you agree that the body will not react the same to consuming 1 lb of beef as it will to 1 lb of sugar? Insulin response will be far different.

[@deman7276]

@@fazole I dont really know what this even has to do with what I said in any of my posts. First I said nothing of insulin and even explicitly stated "barring any HEALTH issues". Second a pound of beef has zero carbs, a pound of sugar is all carbs. One has no insulin reaction almost at all, the other will spike you into outerspace

[@AllAhabNoMoby]

I once saw a documentary about a hoarder, he'd been living the last 20 years solely off the sandwiches he would buy at the local gas station. His mental health was in the toilet but physically he was fine. Not advocating for this at all but what you eat is less important than how much of it you eat.

[@What_did_u_say]

I had no idea who this guy was. Turns out I didn’t miss a thing.

[@giannisforprez1271]

Still can’t believe my high school made me watch supersized me

[@RacerX888]

For a 3 week period, I ended up eating at Burger King twice a day because of being at a new job location. I lost 15 lbs in 3 weeks doing that. Just my experience.