Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee | Sitting Bull meets Colonel Miles

Movie: Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee (2007)
Nelson Miles: en.wikipedia.o...
Sitting Bull: en.wikipedia.o...
Song playing during endscreen: Nat Keefe with The Bow Ties - "Dude, where's my horse"

[@CassiusDX]

Happy Thanksgiving everybody

[@two_tier_gary_rumain]

Why did you reupload this? Was there a problem?

[@CassiusDX]

yeah, technical issue

[@two_tier_gary_rumain]

@@CassiusDX OK.

[@MegaCassie83]

Dagos

[@Kevin12321]

Damn that’s cold haba

[@FMIFestival]

Both these actors are MAGNIFICENT

[@THEJAM-EATERS]

Really???? It's screams "TV movie" acting to me.

[@curlyfries8388]

​@THEJAM-EATERS exactly way better acting than what we get nowadays

[@imgvillasrc1608]

​@@curlyfries8388 The actor for Miles could still improve in yelling, but he does very well when showing emotions.

[@THEJAM-EATERS]

@@curlyfries8388 You Americans need to raise your bar.

[@MeanOldLady]

@@THEJAM-EATERS Compared to Eurotrash who are sucking off their conquerors in their films/TV? =p

[@weedwhacker287]

One thing that makes this scene even better is that the Colonel even says “you conquered those tribes, lusting for their game, and their lands and we have conquered you for no less noble a cause” he knows he’s doing exactly what they did and is willing to admit it unlike some who pretended they were on some mission of righteousness

[@Nickers19]

I don't understand how a non-psychopath can admit that and still go on. Baffling humans

[@SalvableRuin]

Some people WERE on a righteous mission. Not every single person was a soldier, a king, a farmer, or a missionary. Everyone had their reasons.

[@TheChadPad]

@@SalvableRuinare you saying missionaries weren’t on a righteous mission?

[@yangan6342]

You need to go to school and study history.There's a big difference between breaking a treaty and actually conquering or winning a war.

[@REAL2222ful]

​@@TheChadPadsure thing. Imposing your beliefs and culture on other people's isn't righteous. But then again, if you think that your ways are the correct ones, then you likely think that imposing your beliefs on others is the righteous thing to do.

[@WhiteIkiryo-yt2it]

"As we have conquered you for no less a noble cause" The fact he can say it and still point out the hypocrisy and similarity between them makes me respect him.

[@davidhickman647]

No hypocrisy in that statement at all.

[@robinpage2730]

He knew what their primary mission there was. He wasn't self-delusional like most then. You generally don't reach the rank of Colonel back then by being an idealist, or deluding yourself

[@snakesandsticks]

Read up on Nelson Miles and his military career and you won't respect him as much

[@kjf729]

It’s not hypocrisy. He’s saying it belongs to whoever can claim and defend it. If you lose, it’s not yours anymore. The hypocrisy is “indigenous” people always invoking some spiritual or holy right to a place as soon as they face a superior enemy.

[@sabrewolf4129]

@@kjf729 What gave the white people the right to land here and then say all your shit is now ours, move to a reservation and accept you fate as our slaves?

[@javierdelvalle4624]

See people cheering for Nelson Miles and he is not wrong in his assertions but for me the best part is that he is not claiming any moral high ground and is treating Sitting Bull as an equal.

[@Wasserkaktus]

I'm really frustrated he hasn't been given the same attention and renown as a lot of other senior U.S. Army Officers in History.

[@JB-yb4wn]

@@Wasserkaktus I just read up on the guy, he was an excellent officer, made it from Lieutenant to brevet general in 2 years during the civil war. Ended up commanding the entire US Army and was made governor of Puerto Rico. He was an incredible man, first time I have ever heard of him.

[@MM22966]

@@Wasserkaktus It is a sad truth that generals are frequently famous because they are self-promoters. It isn't ALWAYS true, but one reason everybody remembers Custer (besides that fact that he got spectacularly killed) and not Miles, or Sheridan, etc is that Custer was a flamboyant self-promoter who liked to talk to reporters, who rightly or wrongly are the modern scribes of history.

[@cheyennealvis8284]

Finally someone agrees to why islamic migrants should completely take over the west.

[@lordtutinean90]

Treating? who ended up losing everything? Miles knew that the plague of European life was coming and Sitting Bull had no chance...moral high ground??? from a EUROPEAN colonizer source/people? It will never happen! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Especially seeing how Nazis would create concentration camps from the model of concentration camps used against Black citizens after the civil war!! THERE WAS NEVER ANY MORAL HIGH GROUND TO BE MENTIONED...HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAhahahahahahaha!!!

[@CausticPuffin]

“Where did you get this land? From my father. Where did he get it? From his father. Where did he get it? He fought for it. I’ll fight you for it.” -Scandinavian proverb. Not an endorsement of any particular ideology, just an observation about human nature.

[@Xboxzilla]

I mean, so long as you don't lie to yourself and treat the ordeal like a big ass duel, it's really about as simple and efficient as you can make a conquest. 1 big fight, man to man, winner takes all.

[@Anaken12]

Is that really a proverb? It’s good.

[@arcsaber1127]

Two wrongs don't make a right - English proverb

[@amado4249]

@@arcsaber1127 No they do not, but we're here now. Learn from it or repeat it.

[@garcalej]

Naw. Some greedy prospectors will get it. Your dumb ass will get alcoholism, PTSD, and a cheap army pension.

[@azraelknightquest5754]

As a member of the Cherokee tribe (native American ID and everything), I can confirm: tribes have attacked and massacred other tribes for no more than lands and gain. Some whites did do horrible things to innocent natives. And some natives did horrible things to peaceable and innocent whites. It is better to forgive each other, KEEP peace that is made and unify than bring up old hatreds. And as a member of the Cherokee, I don't need apologies or gifts or special privileges. Pity and charity is an insult to men in my tribe. It's given to orphans and widows, not anyone else.

[@christopherhook2141]

Fair enough.

[@daddyrabbit835]

I'm not going to downplay the accomplishments of my ancestors, but I agree. I've traveled Europe quite a bit and I am of mainly English, Scottish, and German descent. If you've never been to Eurpope, I can tell you, castles are a dime a dozen. On our last trip to Scotland I really started focusing on the history of each one vs the architecture and function. Bascilly it came down to one dude taking shit from another dude and building something to protect it or show it off. It was a little disheartening, but still, great accomplishments and I respect the ones that tried to be fair. It's hard to debate that great societies have risen from these "dudes" fighting.

[@godzilla6490]

Innocent whites?😂😂😂😂

[@nmelkhunter1]

I have friends who are Mescalero, White Mountain and Jicarilla Apache and they echo your words.

[@Jamhael1]

As a person of White descent from Brazil, I can say: I agree with you - we fought and killed eachother for far too long, and now, its too tiresome to carry on with the grudge... The widows and orphans indeed deserve land of their own. We, man, can work for ourselves to achieve it. I believe you know the bitter taste of ash when you "win" - yeah, I finally got it... ..but at what cost? Why? For who? It seems we are haunted by the ghosts of our ancestors, who thought little of their descendents, and demanded blood for the sake of their pride, and in the process, it broke ALL of us...

[@tiberiussempronious6252]

That's a man who studied his enemy and came prepared.

[@bradleybreslin945]

If only Custer would have been so prepared 😬

[@scottritchey573]

@@Musica78237this was filmed in 2007 where the mindset was much different, 17 years ago. Stop trying to fight the uncomfortable truth and grow up

[@ScoobGruber]

@@Musica78237 cringe

[@jc4evur661]

@@bradleybreslin945 Custer had it coming

[@DebKC-bj9jo]

@@scottritchey573 Do you always miss the point?

[@89Ayten]

For every tribe whose name you do know, there are a thousand whose name you don't know, having been wiped out by the one you do.

[@avrilfan0521]

I love this line it works for a lot of European tribes too.

[@DannyRaniga]

​@@avrilfan0521It works for all nations and groups. Either adapt and conquer or stall and be conquered

[@forrestkellogg8317]

Same with Africa. Race has nothing to do with conquering land. It is the way of all mankind. And if a nation doesn’t have an enemy to fight then they fight with their own people.

[@WoodenChurch_041]

I always wonder why folk forget that, its literally human nature as a whole to dominate and eventually spread chaos and torment cuz peace drives men insane due to boredom

[@legisnuntius]

Damnatio Memoriae

[@OsamaBinLooney]

"the proposition that you were a peaceable people before the appearance of the white man is the most fanciful legend of all" bro nailed it

[@kingstarscream3807]

Yeah but we've known that for a long, long time. Even Miles knew it. When people NOW say things like "reeee the American Indians weren't peaceful", it causes others to roll their eyes.

[@esawfranco_xiii]

Its not the land taking thats messed up. Its the genocide. How many natives do you know? This land used to be full of them.

[@erc9468]

@@kingstarscream3807 It causes people who don't want to know history to roll their eyes. If you went to most public schools and were taught for 13 years that America was a peaceful, loving continent for 10,000 years before any Europeans showed up, then you will definitely roll your eyes.

[@smokingcrab2290]

The Indian cheif literally argued like a woman. Void of all reason. Just blames. Takes no responsibility. Gets violent when they got not argument.

[@ahmorgan]

@@erc9468 no everyone knows this. It's more propaganda from alt right people. Same as suggesting slavery wasn't an important factor during the Civil War. The bastardization of history from people who demand to see themselves as heroes when they performed the actions of villains.

[@KipcreateGaming]

"Who sold us the guns?" "Who bought and used them?"

[@redhen2470]

"You don't like the guns we gave you? Ok, well you can hand them back in then. Along with all the horses too. Have a nice day."

[@thecleaner8442]

Apparently, Whitey believes in a fair fight.

[@Jman16007]

This is relatable, even to slavery. "Who sold the slaves, African tribesmen!" "Who bought the slaves, European traders!"

[@BruceWayne-fj9bm]

@@thecleaner8442 Whitey? What racism. It’s not about a fair fight, it’s about how all races have a history of conquest, even the Natives.

[@thecleaner8442]

@@BruceWayne-fj9bm No. It is about a fair fight. You sensitive dumbass.

[@TransRoofKorean]

*_"for no less noble a cause"_* perfectly used words

[@TransRoofKorean]

@Prkau telek by growing up

[@Raidensreal]

@Prkau telek the "no less noble" is the important part there, but go on hating one race for what all humanity has partaken in.

[@Gonboo]

@Prkau telek Both practices employed by first nation peoples.

[@Gonboo]

@Prkau telek en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_American_slave_ownership Read it and weep or remain ignorant, don't really care.

[@brittanyhayes1043]

@Prkau telek Native Americans did slavery too. Nice deflecting historical facts .

[@choughed3072]

When people claim the natives Americans where all peace pipe smoking hippies they are actually being massively disrespectful as many of the tribal nations were highly skilled and capable warriors who took pride in that.

[@Falconlibrary]

The name Comanche is derived from a Ute word meaning “anyone who wants to fight me all the time.”

[@ricknelms]

yeah no one claims that fabrication

[@joeberger3441]

​@@ricknelmsa lot of curriculums address the indigenous tribes accordingly. My native American studies class in college didn't cover a single instance of warfare between the tribes. Despite the fact that it happened very frequently

[@thanhhoangnguyen4754]

@@joeberger3441 unfortunately they are not united or at least have a leader for them to stay united together. Otherwise the western expansion by the USA will be challenging

[@dustintacohands1107]

Counting coup was so strange to me but actually seems hilarious when I think about it now. Imagine a mighty warrior getting caught off guard not killed just shown he could’ve been killed then his enemy just walking away grinning from ear to ear proud not his feat. lol all the village girls be laughing at the “mighty warrior”caught with pants down and looking lovingly at guy that counted coup

[@moviewolverine89]

"There's nothing to explain. You're trying to kidnap what I've rightfully stolen."

[@UtahDelaCruz]

OK Westley.

[@caseybuentello]

Inconceivable!

[@NotFromConcentrate]

⁠you keep using that word...I don't think it means what you think it means..

[@nathanrosman-bakehouse359]

Favorite movie and book

[@cyalknight]

​@@nathanrosman-bakehouse359 RIP William Goldman

[@jdpowell72]

I'm surprised to see such historical accuracy. All the land that the Sioux claimed had been theirs was actually "stolen" from the Crow and others just a hundred years or so earlier. It's rare to see that acknowledged.

[@cmcapps1963]

THAT'S a land acknowledgement I'd like to see!

[@michaelboulton6804]

Comanches raided Mexico and the Southwest for 400 years and killed more Native Americans than the White man. Think about it you Socialists! Indians were winning up until the 1870-1887 and then we put them on reservations. Comanches killed everyone except young boys and sex women slaves. They were PIRATES of the prairies , never farmed, never made camps , just raided from place to place.

[@bruanlokisson8615]

I always found it Ironic that 1776 was not only when the USA declared independence and fought a war with Britan but was also the year the Lakota conquered the Black Hills from the Cheyenne confederation which also was the Year my Ojibwe ancestors were mopping up after conquering the Lakota lands in Minnesota.

[@r.roberts]

Here is an example of your logic: Some Jews in Nazi Germany betrayed other Jews, which resulted in their being exterminated in concentration camps. What happen to the Jews is OK because not all Jews were honorable." What happened to the Sioux is not "OK" because of what the Sioux did a hundred years earlier.

[@John-w8l4l]

Still doesn’t change the fact that America is a nation founded by illegal immigrants

[@rovhalt6650]

4 minutes of dialogue that is more educational and interesting than any of the modern movies being pushed out by Hollywood today.

[@kbanghart]

K Boomer

[@shiniquajones2812]

@@kbanghartboomers are smart

[@nappa4317]

I have not met many younger people (

[@nickninja27]

​@@nappa4317not to mention many of the native American tribes practiced cannibalism

[@kbanghart]

@@shiniquajones2812 hmmm is that so.....

[@megansweeney711]

Nelson miles was a formidable man. He fought in nearly every major engagement with the Army of the Potomac during the civil war, from the peninsula to appomattox and rose to the rank of a major general before reverting back to his nominal rank post-war. The horrors he no doubt witnessed hardened this life long warrior. He eventually became general in chief of the entire us armed forces later in his life. This meeting between two great warriors must have been something indeed.

[@BrainNeedsFood]

An uncomfortable historical truth: every single bit of land that belongs to anyone anywhere, once belonged to someone else.

[@mgoh1984]

Mine belongs to my county. I pay taxes and they let me live on it.

[@CapoLady]

Get the hell off my land 😤

[@stevet5379]

The conquered never see it that way though. It is their lot to moan and cry about what happened to them, but they will never shed a tear for what they did to others!

[@CapoLady]

@stevet5379 become drunks on reservations

[@CapoLady]

@@jmw1500 no doubt

[@bisbee1678]

I'm an Apache, and no other tribe caused as much terror among white settlers as mine did. My ancestors raided Spanish, Mexican and American settlers, and were known to sadistically torture prisoners including women and children. They also preyed on neighboring tribes till we were in turn defeated by the Comanche, and wound up having to make peace with the Spaniards or risk being wiped out completely. In short my people were far from peaceable, and I dislike it when white people with no knowledge of my people's history portray us as helpless victims. My people were akin to Vikings, tough and merciless raiders who lived by the proverbial sword, and died by it, too.

[@MichaelWilliams-fl4hx]

You helping us or siding with China when we play cowboys and Chinese?

[@zacharymartin9151]

@@MichaelWilliams-fl4hx You should look up the history of the native americans fighting with the us especially the world wars. They have done a lot for america.

[@MichaelWilliams-fl4hx]

@@zacharymartin9151 I probably know more history then you do.

[@michaelterry3885]

Real talk.. Much respect..

[@michaelterry3885]

​@@MichaelWilliams-fl4hxhumm..? That's a wild, yet somehow, appropriate question..!!😂

[@ScottJB]

An actual accurate portrayal of history. No romanticizing of either side. Just the truth that human groups behave the same.

[@georgecurious2248]

Except for the fact that tribe doesn't fight and k*ll tribe anymore. They have real medicine for their sick, rather than a wrinkly old man with an animal scrotum filled with magic sand. And let's not forget all the US government's hand outs to sustain

[@jakeg3733]

Yep. There is not moral high ground. Not one country, culture, ethnic group etc. is currently occupying their original homeland. We all took it from someone else with blood

[@smokingcrab2290]

The scene literally shows that humans don't behave the same. The Indians were pure emotion, void of all reason, couldn't back up their claims, and got violent because of words. Typical of lesser civilizations. No wonder they lost.

[@s13iLLuminati]

Too many lies become accepted as fact and public schools are to blame. Sad that some people still believe that smallpox blankets were used as a biological weapon more than a century before Louis Pasteur would develop germ theory.

[@KC-nn5wc]

​@@smokingcrab2290thank u... beautiful statement man. Research the solutreans the real natives the first Americans the European tribes that were geonicided by the so called natives. (Due to inferior numbers)

[@Ryankriegspieler]

The Colonel doesn’t blink throughout. Stare-down achieved!

[@planes3333]

He has pretty intense eyes and a stare. The actor is probably a bad ass in real life.

[@topfactlord5448]

4 laws of nature: 1. If you wanted it, you took it. 2. If you couldn't take it, you didn't have it. 3. If you had something, you defended it. 4. If you couldn't defend it, you lost it.

[@TheWaitingFlame01]

Yep.

[@edharley7254]

One thing you miss: those of us who give, out of the abundance of our heart and wallet. Few of those who are like that but God sees all.

[@TheWaitingFlame01]

@@edharley7254, The original commenter uses a secular model, not a Biblical one.

[@ThomasSpettel]

Most of not all civilizations and armies have taken anything over the course of history by the 'right of conquest'.

[@5.0L-Cobra-SVT-93]

Well said.

[@matthewmckinney9471]

I'm truly amazed and proud of most of the comments here. As a child my grandfather, who was Navajo, would tell me stories of our ancestors and the wars they had fought. He never tried to tell me that the white man was wrong or anything of the sort. He simply told us the truth of human nature. We're all flawed and all cultures, Navajo included have less than reputable history. We all come from cultures that have dark marks in our history. One is not worse or better than the other.

[@lassmt]

That is the true noble view of history and the present should be used to unite for the best future possible.

[@erenjaeger1738]

Many tribes have different stories and your grandfather is one of them. Like before every native american have a different stories. Before Europeans. Humans already had different beliefs and culture. Native american aren't one tribe. There's many of them. Just like Europe, Asia, Africa, and the middle east. Europeans like the Anglo-Saxon was the turning point to the native americans. Like the many broken peace treaty around 500 and the genocide of the school boarding happened. Til around the 90s they could finally speak their own languages. Not a good look.

[@lassmt]

@@erenjaeger1738 you seem to have no point. Using the term genocide is purely performative and inaccurate.

[@erenjaeger1738]

@@lassmt your sub iq and liberal got you think genocide only applies to Europe. NO. When I said genocide happened. It happened. Like really ? Not even the spanish were up front making act saying "kill the indians, save the man"

[@Lunchladydoyle]

@@erenjaeger1738the Canadian government just spent 8 million dollars digging and using sound imaging to look for the supposed mass graves at Indian schools and found NOTHING. In the meantime 33 Catholic Churches were burned to the ground by stoked up corporate media worshipping sheep like you. As long as the little brains keep falling for the Divide and Conquer agenda we will forever be at the mercy of ancient banking families who own our media and governments. They are the TRUE enemies of the human race.

[@Wubby805]

When a man says "coalesce out of the ether" you know the conversation is on some deep level shit.

[@matchesburn]

It's actually rather surprising how well-read and eloquent Americans were in the 1800s. And they had a way with words which is lost today. Interestingly enough, up to the American civil war, the literacy rate of America was extremely high. About 9/10 soldiers on both sides, the Union and Confederacy, were literate. And as we see from their surviving letters during the war - of which there's many - they were quite well versed in writing. Even a letter to back to their family sounds fancy. Now after the war... literacy just fell off a cliff. It dropped down to 20% in some areas, IIRC. And it didn't really recover until the 1920s or so.

[@catinthehat906]

Actually what you are demonstrating is you know FA about how educated people (like military officers) spoke in the 19th Century. There have been a significant decline in the vocabulary of the average American since the 1960's.

[@iconian1387]

@@matchesburn I've never heard this before. So American literacy went up in the early 1800's, but fell off later, before coming back up in the 1900's? Did literacy become much more important in the early 1800's then, due to increased accessibility of books and such, but then it became so widespread without seeming to bring much in return that it just became less important for a while, being seeing more as a fad than a vital skill? Does it have something to do with the South not having as much money after the Civil War?

[@matchesburn]

@@iconian1387 It was very much a cultural thing left over from the age of enlightenment and the founding of America. Reading/writing was considered essential in order to be successful and not applying to learn to do so was viewed as uncouth and backwards. You didn't want to be *_that guy_* that couldn't read and write. And, at the time, the best way to court women was to write them letters... so... that was a big motivator for men of the time. As for why it fell off after the American civil war, it's not like people came to dislike literacy... It's that the nation was in shambles. Not for years. Decades. Entire swathes of the generation were cut up... sometimes literally... and just dead. Economically the country was devastated. Socially/culturally, there was just as much if not more turmoil. Significant portions of an entire generation were left in the cemeteries. Some states, especially in the south, were literally burned down almost to every single major town or city. The infrastructure was gone. At the time, there were more pressing concerns and little availability to teach literacy. And it did take the better part of a generation or two for the country to rebuild and find its footing. People have no idea *_just how devastating_* the American civil war was and how much it set the country back. We lost basically 50 years of progress in stagnation.

[@iconian1387]

@@matchesburn You're right, I've never heard that the Civil War was that devastating. Do you know of any books or videos about it? I knew the South was devastated, but I guess the North was as well. I suppose that World Wars I and II probably weren't quite as bad for America, but I have heard that World War I in particular was devastating to Europe

[@RafiOmar83]

What I like most about this scene is that both men, despite being enemies, are talking to each other with respect and as equals.

[@cmd31220]

This is one of my favorite scenes ever put to film. Colonel Miles cuts through all the bull crap both sides tell each other and themselves and describes the situation as it is, not as we'd like it to be. The line "for no less noble a cause" says it all. He knows he's not on some righteous crusade and has enough respect for his opponent not to pretend otherwise.

[@Wasserkaktus]

He's an Army Officer and he has his Orders. The U.S. actually had a large amount of Indian sympathizers who opposed the brutal slaughter/takeover of Indian lands, and had various beliefs in how much more stake the Indians deserved in their lands as Americans colonized it.

[@bladerj]

clearly they weernt vocal enough.@@Wasserkaktus

[@BigBlack81]

@@bladerj How could they be? When you have a country that loved/loves manifest destiny as much as America did and does, how could their voices ever be loud enough?

[@cccspwn]

Many whites believed in manifest destiny, in fact it was literally a government proclamation

[@BigBlack81]

@@cccspwn And the fact that they still do is a problem. Manifest Destiny should never have existed.

[@passtherum2010]

*150 years later* "THIS IS NATIVE LAND, GRINGO!" ...said the descendant of Spanish conquistadors

[@insirable3127]

Relatable and factual.

[@blehblehk5955]

You get this all the time if you're a White dude in South Texas. Too relatable.

[@insirable3127]

@@blehblehk5955 The irony is that their great-grandmothers bred with Spanish men.

[@quaoar213]

Those from spanish decent or at about 30% at most. Just as today, what you call Mexican is mostly Native American

[@Joe-qm4yv]

​@@quaoar213simply not true the native blood lines are almost gone as sad as it is

[@Tomcatx4321]

I really appreciate the historical accuracy of the natives being armed with lever action repeaters, while the cav are all using outdated trap door Spencer’s. This was one of the most interesting aspect of the Indian wars, where the natives were armed much better than the Cavalry army units sent to push them into reservations. Quality movie

[@hansgruber6455]

You mean "Springfield Trapdoor". I agree, this was a great movie, I first saw it 2010.

[@AVKnecht]

This! The "funny" part with battles like the Little Big Horn was that the US Cavalry was completely outgunned.

[@jdgoade1306]

Those are Trapdoor Springfields, Spencer's were tube loading repeaters.

[@rodrikofharlaw6848]

Really repeaters were more trouble than they were worth. There's a reason the mainstay of the US arm was simple bolt actions for a century and kept using tried and true springfields during the indian wars.

[@Worldwidewhat-wb]

It did happen with a few as some had gold to bribe dealers and ex military people sold them the latest kits near the end of the indian wars

[@bobg5362]

Trace it back far enough and we can all agree that humans stole that land from mammoths.

[@squgieman]

and those damn furry elephants stole it from the lizards, who stole it from the amphibians, who stole it from the arthropods, who stole it from the prototrees, which were the first original inhabitants of land

[@worganfreeman2694]

@@squgieman Exactly; All hail groot.

[@kingsadvisor18]

​@@squgiemannah bruv, don't forget that micro bacteria

[@kenbennett4556]

@@kingsadvisor18 And there you have the true villain of this long sad and violent story, it's a conspiracy I tell you.

[@Cyraxior]

And they stole it from the dinosaurs.

[@briansheehan5256]

This scene with this dialog could never be filmed today. The best scene in an otherwise below average film.

[@rollotomasislawyer3405]

Damn I was going to watch it because this was so good. 😢figures. 😂

[@HopeLaFleur1975]

Its truth!

[@hawk66100]

@@rollotomasislawyer3405 It’s a good movie that’s worth watching.

[@GeneralHarvey]

Legit, everyone says the American government was in full wrong, they were in some places but the natives were hypocritical as fuck

[@serendipish_364]

@@GeneralHarvey in what ways were they hypocritical?

[@fingolfin9086]

Atleast once a month I inject “DO NOY SPEAK TO ME OF RED CLOUD” into a conversation and leave everyone very bewildered.

[@bobbyperu4683]

Dead funny, made me laugh out loud in my office. I'm going to try it out on my squaw, sorry, wife.

[@kokosifredi8408]

So do I bro, so do i😂

[@Whitebeardtheking9]

I, too, am known to indulge in random recitations of movie and TV show quotes at inappropriate times. Gotta let some of the crazy out every now and then. 😅

[@andrewg.carvill4596]

He was a CONSUL of ROME !!!

[@Norbingel]

@@andrewg.carvill4596 poor Pompey!

[@invisibleman4827]

He's got a point. The Crow tribe hated Sitting Bull and his tribe - Lakota Sioux - for continuously raiding them and aggression towards them. They were actually devastated by the news of the fate of 7th Cavalry. When the Lakota Sioux gave up, the Crow were relieved that they could sleep soundly at night.

[@robbyddurham1624]

When Louis and Clark were on their trip to the west, they ran upon some indians that wouldn't come talk to them until they raised their shirt sleaves to show they were white. They were scared of another tribe.

[@josephohara2457]

@@robbyddurham1624 is that true?

[@robbyddurham1624]

@@josephohara2457 I read it in Undaunted Courage by Steven Ambrose. The book covered the complete Lewis and Clark trip. He researched it from notes of Lewis and Clark and maybe letters by the crew. I really enjoyed the book. He mentions a lot of contacts with native americans. The NorthWest indians were really nice to them. The Nez Priece. One story was about indians so hungry that they met in the plains, I think. When a deer had been killed by the crew, the indians were so hungry they picked up the intestines thatwere thrown aside and squeezed out the waste and ate them right away. They couldn't wait for food to be prepared.

[@DSFARGEG00]

Wherever you go on this world, people are people. For better or for worse.

[@BB-tm3sx]

My Sioux cousins HATE the Crow. Apparently there are stories all about Crow raids and atrocities that have been carried down to this day. It isn't surprising to learn that Americans and Europeans had very similar dynamics between their various societies, but from my understanding any given American was probably safer amongst their own tribe than average European was with say their neighbor generally.

[@wolfofthewest8019]

Colonel Miles is my grandmother's grandfather. I'm named after him. This is the first time I've ever seen him presented as a character in a story, and damn, if the real man was anything like that, I am okay with being named after him.

[@69chico69-xp]

Liar

[@andrewbaker3855]

He won the Medal of Honor during the Civil War and became "Commander of the Army" incredible career.

[@gkcs]

@NoBody-xg1wg is your distant cousin

[@jagx234]

​@andrewbaker3855 Medal of Honor pre WWI does not mean what it does today. Ppl were awarded it during the Indian Wars for going to get water.. The criteria pre Boxer Rebellion(1900ish) was not remotely comparable to what today's ppl, mostly influenced by WWII and Vietnam citations, would expect. TLDR, pre WWII MoH was almost always worth a Bronze Star with Valor device at best.

[@ericshipp7129]

@wolfofthewest8019 Who asked

[@jozefu8726]

Colonel Miles spitting facts like bullets from a light machine gun.

[@haroldsmith8454]

More like a heavy machine gun...

[@thejohhny2943]

@@haroldsmith8454 More like a gatling gun

[@clicheguevara5282]

@@thejohhny2943 BRRRRRRT from the GAU on an A10.

[@IsaacBeImont]

Self-serving bullshit

[@KCBluesJams]

Don’t be crying like a little baby 😢when the minority in the USA become the majority it’s just a matter of a another decade and building a southern wall isn’t going to save you 😉

[@Aurik-Kal-Durin]

_"This is _*_your_*_ story of my people!"_ _"This is the _*_truth,_*_ not _*_legends!"_*

[@mountainmover777]

"for no less noble a cause..." The crux of the entire conversation.

[@bonquequedickison4080]

What does crux mean?

[@Amar7605]

@@bonquequedickison4080 'Crux' means the central theme, or rather, the entire point of the conversation.

[@bigguy7353]

​@@bonquequedickison4080Crux means "cross". Literally and figuratively. It's used to denote where several things in an argument "cross" or intersect, making it the most important point and what any cogent argument would be based off of.

[@forfun6273]

I hope you don’t think that’s a knock on the Europeans. It was pretty noble of them to secure what would become the greatest country in the world with their blood sweat and tears.

[@S.D.323]

​@@forfun6273 via possibly the bloodiest genocide in history

[@BeccaTKawaii]

As long as there are two people on this rock, someone is gonna want someone dead!

[@MjV-jd2lo]

OR we can just make hard, unlubricated, gay sex?

[@ecthox-1mork909]

"As a species, we're fundamentally insane. You put more than two of us in a room, we start thinking up reasons to kill one-another." - The Mist (2007)

[@trybezuni4923]

As a Navajo and part Zuni, I really recommend to save this video as a historical lesson, there was no good sides in war. Humans are addicted to glory, winning and also greed, no matter how righteous you think you are. Atleast the end of the day, we get humbled and flourished with others, despite what my ancestors or their ancestors did. If only people get let go of the past hate that doesn't belong to them. I'm sure the world will become a better place. Don't forget History, just Learn.

[@alexandarvoncarsteinzarovi3723]

Sadly the Old White Guard mindset has not perished and is the defacto problem for the modern world, if your young its worse, racial diversity is one thing, but going beyond it overnight is impossible, you take it in steps,

[@sonjurattler]

This dialogue isn’t history. This is fantasy and colonial propaganda

[@alexandarvoncarsteinzarovi3723]

@@sonjurattler Always has been, White League is bleaching everything now a days,

[@saskk2290]

History plainly shows the European settlers' greed far eclipsed that of the Indian, despite it also existing

[@alexandarvoncarsteinzarovi3723]

@@saskk2290 That is also true, the many tribes of the plains were never united from the start, let alone the fact that they were also at war or in open hostility with the south American Empires,

[@jdmac44]

And that my friends, is the story of history in a nutshell, whether we like it or not.

[@jacobhargiss3839]

Exactly. Everyone has been conquered at one point or another and everyone has been the conquerer. There is no human lineage with clean hands.

[@greatclubsandwich5612]

"B-b-b-but... MY people were the last ones to be conquered... Therefore we never got the chance for revenge and that means we deserve special treatment..."

[@jorgebarriosmur]

@@jacobhargiss3839 If beeing a merciless douchbag with no empathy, capable of exterminating the tribe from the next valley, just because you had a bad harvest this year, meant no evulationary advantage, this kind of people would have gone extinct long time ago, and we would be a much more peacefull spicies by now...... But we are not........

[@JamesMorgan-ne8qu]

Who claims it isn't?

[@greatclubsandwich5612]

@@JamesMorgan-ne8qu The American public education system.

[@danielmoran3233]

I like how Nelson has the Native American culture ingrained in him. He knows the history, their rivals, and even speaks like them. Great character.

[@Rildar]

Col. Nelson was a real person btw

[@AngemonOfLight]

@@RildarThe Miles in the clip is character based on the real person, but how much of the character reflects reality?

[@Rildar]

@@AngemonOfLight Idk and idc, it's a movie

[@wtfduud]

@@Rildar It's a historical movie, so a degree of accuracy is expected.

[@Rildar]

@@wtfduud Ok. Don't know why you're replying when I said "idk and idc."

[@ButlerProspect]

This is the Story of all People, No one is Innocent or more Guilty than the other

[@mankyscotchgit4986]

It's rare to see an Indian get so utterly verbally wrecked in media. Not surprising that this is from 2007, this dialogue would never get approved today.

[@Thunderchild-gz4gc]

And a Canadian adaptation of a lackluster heavily biased book.

[@brucetucker4847]

Very surprising that it was made at any point after 1970.

[@northeastokwari1889]

Only a moron compares tribal warfare to a straight up genocide.Nine Years war (Ireland) 130,000 deaths Thirty Year War (Germany) 8,000,000 deaths English Civil War 84,000 dead from war 127,000 civilian deaths. Franco Spanish War 108,000 deaths Franco Dutch war 342,000 deaths. Napoleonic Wars 6,500,000 deaths but you wanna scream "Oogah boogay you killed each other!" Like that has a fucking thing to do with why you disease ridden pox carriers did what you did. You did it for gold. Stop lying. You're not benevolent colonizers. It's one thing to do it it's another thing to lie and i know the "Victor writes the history" But it;s my choice to not believe your lies because that's all Wyatt E does is lie. Your ashekenazi handlers taught you well.

[@northeastokwari1889]

Only a moron thinks he got "Wrecked" that's you talking out of your pink head. You don't decide what is and what isn't. You're some random cracker on the internet who would be scared to say this irl.

[@northeastokwari1889]

Indians are from India. Read a map, you remedial dropout

[@TimeGallon]

“You didn’t sprout from the plains like the spring grasses” Got em

[@gcHK47]

Nor did they coalesce out of the Aether.

[@OneWeirdDude]

It's true enough. They descended from Adam & Eve like everyone.

[@northeastokwari1889]

We also didn't come from Asia, Regurgitate your Christ cuck Zionist nonsense elsewhere

[@DEFC0NZER0]

​@@gcHK47 They came out of the Minnesota woodlands, armed to the teeth and set upon their fellow man.

[@mjbachman3027]

True, but the Treaty of 1868 giving the Black Hills to the Lakota Sioux, was broken by white prospectors and entrepreneurs who flooded into Sioux Territory and the Black Hills in 1875 and 1876 when gold was discovered there in 1874 by Custer and his Black Hills Expedition. If gold wasn't discovered in Deadwood gulch, there never would have been a Battle of The Little Bighorn, or the subsequent battles that saw the end of the free roaming Sioux and Northern Cheyenne.

[@RollTide1987]

Colonel Nelson Miles, Medal of Honor recipient for his gallantry during the American Civil War, and future Commanding General of the United States Army. He led the U.S. Army to victory in the Spanish-American War. When he died in 1925 he was one of the last living general officers from the Civil War. You can find his grave in Arlington National Cemetery as he was one of America's greatest ever soldiers.

[@fingolfin9086]

Absolutely, started as a volunteer and and was a major general by 26, including becoming the commandant over the prison where Jefferson Davis was held. What a stud.

[@martinjugolin2087]

I'm actually afraid that some lefties will vandalise his resting place

[@Wasserkaktus]

​​@@martinjugolin2087Wrong. Iconoclasm is definitely a tactic some bleeding hearts use, but Miles was never a slaver and he was a bigger SYMPATHIZER of Natives when compared to most other Army Officers.

[@northeastokwari1889]

@@Wasserkaktus No the fuck he wasn't. Did you see what he did to Chief Joseph of the Nez Perce? If you can't tell real Native history shut your dick licker. General Lee had more respect for Natives than any Yankee general.

[@northeastokwari1889]

@@Wasserkaktus So you stil think there's a diufference between the left and right huh? There's not. they're both bought and paid for by Zionists. Trump and Biden both have mostly hand rubbers as their advisors IE their HANDLERS

[@tastygravy6880]

They both had their points but the general was mainly in the right, many lands have switched hands between tribes or countries, strong enough to take it but too weak to defend it.

[@MarkRyanSchulz]

Colonel Miles: "Let me explain..." Chief Sitting Bull: "There's nothing to explain. You're trying to seize what I have rightfully stolen!"

[@jaybartgis5148]

2022 Zionist Occupied Government: "let me explain..." Whites: "there's nothing to explain. You're trying to seize what I have rightfully stolen!"

[@bluelick7578]

@@jaybartgis5148 One was earned by blood sweat and tears. The other one was "Thanks for saving me from the last guys we stole shit from, now give us everything we demand or you're anti semitic". There is a pretty wide difference between having lost a fight, and regretting giving a beggar the chance to backstab us after we fought and bled for them. We respect warriors more than snakes. Hence why commies are so disgusting to the man of reason as well.

[@jaybartgis5148]

@@bluelick7578 doesn't mean anything. A lose is a lose and a win is a win. They won. We lost

[@goodgoyim9459]

except the white people didnt steal it.

[@USCFlash]

lol the princess bride line. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@BodaciousBen.]

This is the first ever true account of the history of the USA I have even seen acted in a cinematic way. Excellent!

[@Kraterlandschaft]

Yes, agreed. I was shocked by this scene.

[@tillvalhalla2271]

The actor playing Col. Miles actually looks like someone from that time.

[@justvibing1601]

I believe that's Shaun Johnston

[@Sellipsis]

We all kind of look like from that time because we're their descendants whose face has been passed on by our fathers for millennia. The only difference is our facial hair.

[@hawk66100]

Good costume design.

[@kommando5562]

Cause he’s a Canadian Anglo Celtic with some Dutch admixture.

[@jsal2284]

Loved him in Heartland

[@someyoungguyjohnson7239]

Kudos to the writer, that's some badass dialogue.

[@edmis90]

Sure is. I just don't understand 2 things: 1) Where did they find a military officer who's a philosopher? 2) Did Indians really speak English so well?

[@dargon1084]

I like how the writer is trying not to be biased with writing the dialogue and provides relatively good arguments to both men edit: I retract this statement after re-watching it

[@romegypt5675]

what argument did sitting bull even make

[@kevina6416]

His God is better I don't know something retarded

[@UncleSarge]

@@romegypt5675 "These are our lands and you can't force us from them" was his argument, even if it wasn't his land to begin with.

[@TheUnseenPath]

More so the Americans really as we're dominated by a culture who automatically takes the side of the indians.

[@firingallcylinders2949]

@@UncleSarge At the end of day the Native Americans got conquered. It wasn't pretty and wasn't ethical but it was how history went for a millennia. They (The Indians) conquered the people before them. The Americans were just the best at it.

[@Procket12]

I love how this one clip completely obliterates the Myth of the Noble Savage.

[@brittanyhayes1043]

Exactly. They were not peaceful peoples.

[@Topsnbottoms]

Yes. The message is whoever can kill everybody else is the winner

[@pscm9447]

You sir know the zeitgeist and I'm relieved to see you as a first comment via mobile. Props from Qc.

[@chrisanderson2125]

Indeed. Humanity has been butchering each other for hundreds of thousands of years. It makes land claims a wee bit murky.

[@tyson8733]

It helps to read more. They were living in peace abiding by the treaty signed by Conquering Bear in 1851 and in 1854 the US Army shot Conquering Bear in the back, killing him, starting the First Sioux War.

[@JAY-wb2fv]

The Apache name is derived from a Spanish transliteration of ápachu, the term for “enemy” in Zuñi. To the Zuñi, the Apache were marauders.

[@EpochUnlocked]

Then the Apache became friends to fight the Comanche. The Comanche were the hardest mf on the plains.

[@bigguy7353]

​@@EpochUnlockedThe Pawnee would have something to say about that.

[@KaosKrusher]

fun fact: a lot of native american tribe names come from their ennemies

[@yibithehispanic]

​@@KaosKrusherImagine a tribe having the opportunity to nickname their enemies for the european settlers; Colonial: Hao, Chief Sweet Cheeks ✋😃 Indian Chief: Wtf? 🤨

[@ColonelSandersLite]

@@KaosKrusher It makes sense if you think about it spatially. Happens the world over. For instance, why do we refer to China as 'China' and not 'The Middle Kingdom' or 'Zhongguo' or some latinized version of it? It's because we went though India first and 'China' is derived from the Indian name for it. Same thing for the native indian tribes. Usually we would talk to native tribes and get information from them on who is around them. It might be months or years before we actually interacted with those neighboring tribes ourselves.

[@julius43461]

I can't believe this movie is from 2007. Seeing this scene for the first time, I expected it's from the 50's but AI enhanced or something. Seeing an American spitting facts like that is unheard of nowadays.

[@meatpopsicle1567]

When the Corps of Discovery, the Lewis and Clark Expedition, wintered with the Mandans near Council Bluffs before heading up the Missouri River, they were told that when they go up the river, they will meet a people who will not listen. These were those people.

[@richardbarrett5091]

In other words, every other tribe knew these guys were sophistic assholes!

[@normdurkin6425]

..easily my favorite interaction scene between leaders in any movie..

[@HistoryBuff1973]

Ever see Outlaw Josie Wales His meeting with Ten Bears

[@TheBarber5550]

meh, the coversation between King Baldwin and Saladin in Kingdom of Heaven is leagues better in my opinion. Tho this one isn't without its merits.

[@plagueday5395]

​@@TheBarber5550Oooh I love that scene ❤

[@aaronnataren4861]

I don't think I have found a more perfect dialog. Honor and pride on one side, and the other historically correct and with facts on it's side, but both tainted by the greed and violence of man.

[@brittanyhayes1043]

Tbch both are idiots.

[@Rameon]

There was never fact behind the US side when it came to natives. They painted every narrative they wanted to find reasons to commit genocide. To this day we still get pushed around and y’all dipshits want to say it’s because we were savages. The real savages are the people that pushed us out of our homes, relocated us and used our lands for slavery. We got painted as the bad guys because we were brown and had land they wanted. That’s the fact. Not some bullshit about us constantly fighting each other, that was because white guy pisses off a native tribe and promises land back to another if they help defend the white guy. Then they don’t do it and rinse and repeat until they’re all too weak or just dead. That’s what white history won’t tell you.

[@mikeynorcross3222]

White washed evil genocidal version of a story yeah

[@brittanyhayes1043]

@@mikeynorcross3222 Native americans also genocide other tribes.

[@brittanyhayes1043]

@@Rameon No we already know. We learned it in class or we figure it out. 🤷‍♀️ I still love America though.

[@glp329]

Who had the balls to write this incredible dialogue.

[@Hustada]

Certainly nobody from Hollywood.

[@VMohdude-]

@@Hustadathis is a Hollywood film😑

[@Hustada]

@@VMohdude- not in 2024.

[@medikare7469]

"The strong will do what they can and the weak will suffer what they must." - Melian dialog.

[@EveryCarpet]

"Justice is the advantage of the stronger." - Thrasymachus

[@notimportant6340]

The Athenians were ruthless in that account. Honestly chilling to read.

[@patnor7354]

Thucydides

[@lucasrackley250]

I think the lesson here is very simple. And it pertains to both these men. Condemning the bloodshed in one’s history does not erase that in your own.

[@oceanberserker]

Finally. Someone here who's talking sense.

[@cgavin1]

Its simpler than that: the winners write the history books.

[@acidz0037]

Here’s a really hard truth: land belongs to those who have the strength, will, and wisdom to defend it. History has winners and losers…

[@Wasserkaktus]

​@@cgavin1Not true. If this was the case, The Lost Cause would have never existed.

[@oceanberserker]

@@acidz0037 What Wass said.

[@hectorricardodelacruzmonte2566]

No legends, no myths, no narratives... Only TRUTH

[@volklupo5133]

SJWs and Liberals will say: "Well OUR TRUTH says...."🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄

[@kyleklukas4808]

Not really . Farce.

[@luluflores1440]

lol the whole western movie industry is just amusement park carp. “No legends” 😂😂😂😂 go play with your broom stick horse

[@KCBluesJams]

🐮💩

[@yangan6342]

no. this is pure myth. 660 treaties, 500 broken, is not conquest and not the same as the "sioux" migrating into south dakota to evade white people diseases in the 1500s

[@giohouse643]

This needs to go viral. A part of history that has gone hidden for way too long make it go viral!!!

[@DaChunkil8or]

It’s common knowledge mate

[@orwoodwellson685]

@@DaChunkil8or no its not, the vast majority of kids are just taught the "bad" things white settlers did

[@bigguy7353]

​@DaChunkil8or Not amongst the far left. I had several people call me a liar, refuse to discuss it and one guy wanted to fight me because I said indians "colonized" each other constantly. So no, I wish it was, but there are people who cling to the myth like a safety blanket.

[@Edax_Royeaux]

@@bigguy7353 What point is there in discussing the Native American history with extremists? You are just as likely to run into a far right person claiming their native blood means they're owned respect and lands, just for being born with super special blood which implies a legacy. They will only see history though a lens that they can personally benefit from.

[@zeked4200]

​@@Edax_Royeaux I don't think you're going to find many far right extremists with native blood claiming they're owed anything. First, I highly doubt there's many far right extremists who aren't white and if they are, I highly doubt they openly admit they're of mixed race decent...and second, entitlement isn't a big part of Conservatism. Tends to be more of a "Make do for yourself. Survival of the fittest" type of mentality. Either way, you are absolutely correct about the futility of arguing with either "extreme" end of the political spectrum. In America's current political state, you're going to get nothing but the party narrative from those types of people. Why even waste the time?

[@captainunload]

I'm surprised this scene exists. You only hear about how innocent and victimized the Indians were, but in reality they were as vicious as anyone else.

[@DaltonFTT]

Exactly, I could never argue that what settlers did in this time period was morally right, but to pretend it was any different from what native tribes were already doing to each other for thousands of years is ridiculous.

[@captainunload]

@@DaltonFTT Everyone has evil inside of them. Some are just in stronger positions to bring it out into the rest of the world. Thank God for Jesus.

[@Wasserkaktus]

This isn't true: American Indians will always tell you about what tribes were their traditional allies, and which were their enemies. Here in Arizona for example, the Akimel O'odham (Pima) are very closely knit with the Maricopa Indians while being unfriendly to the Tohono O'odham (Papago), even though they are in fact the more like the two subdivisions of the O'odham overall, and the Navajo are big historical rivals to the Hopi, as both groups are very different from one another. I didn't even mention all of the other American Indians native to Arizona too (like the Apache, Havasupai, Mojave, Cocopah, Quechan, etc...)

[@captainunload]

@@Wasserkaktus What isn't true?

[@omalleycaboose5937]

I mean it also depends on the tribe, the natives were not one Mass of people but a collection of small nation states. Or at least something comparable to that. Some were more fierce than others. Some were peaceful

[@Megatron4Life23]

Finally an actually truthful depiction of what each side was actually like. Neither was without flaws. Both had admirable qualities.

[@krismurphy7711]

I've made this point over and over. Native Americans were slaughtering, raping, enslaving other tribes before the Vikings arrived in North America.

[@Killerbee4712]

There is nothing admirable of the American conquest of North America. It's admirable qualities today are not a result of it's continental war

[@steveatwater4364]

Truth huh? Or is it more aligned to the truth you want.

[@krismurphy7711]

Truth is....as portrayed. Inconvenient?@@steveatwater4364

[@kennethfharkin]

@@steveatwater4364 I'm betting it is simply not in agreement with the story you choose to tell.

[@DevotedDisciple-x]

0:37 I always thought that the blanket guy did his job with such style. He must've stayed up all night practicing how smooth he wanted his big moment to look. Heck, as he's walking away he even does one of those moves where his arm is half extended outward and he makes a fist like, "yes! Nailed it!"

[@davyboy9397]

These comments are so wholesome. This is how we establish peace and understanding of both sides

[@ThePakman90]

But the natives DID establish peace or so they thought They helped the pilgrims and they returned the favor with thanksgiving Oh yeah and the concept of “owning” land is a white thing Stop with the propaganda

[@blackhawks81H]

This conversation is basically: "Go back to Europe".... "K, will do, if you go back to Asia".😂

[@tacitus6384]

"You conquered those tribes, lusting for their game and their lands, just as we have now conquered you for no less noble a cause." If you want a sentence that sums up all of human interaction throughout history, white, black, middle eastern, native american, asian, whatever, that's it.

[@daddyrabbit835]

True words... just some of us are better at it. It's the resulting society that matters.

[@bernardmousse4152]

No you are just ignorant. Greece with Alexander the great used native chief children to rule his conquest succeeding to assimilate these people...from Greece to Himalaya. The military conquest was followed by an educational work including these native in order to instaure a peaceful administration. Nothing to do with american. Most of them were adventurers looking for money quickly. To rob and to kill is the shortest way to get rich...then you write your own national myth of democraty and so on...

[@Edax_Royeaux]

@@Virtus555 If that were true, it would be the warlords and despots in power. The lust for territory spelled the downfall of the USSR, and it'll spell the downfall of Russia next.

[@Edax_Royeaux]

@@Virtus555 Power and strength are two very separate concepts. "God created men, Colt made them equal..."

[@Edax_Royeaux]

@@Virtus555 It though means of power, not strength, that nations like Costa Rica, which does not possess a military, or Luxembourg, which as of 2022 only has 900 soldiers, continue to exist. We don't live entirely in a world of might make right anymore. It's not worth asserting strength and invading Luxembourg to gain wealth and land anymore.

[@acepr012]

We don't see acting like this anymore in period films. Great scene. 👍

[@PlantPapaJohn]

Inconvenient truths can be so inconvenient.

[@danhibiki3359]

Silent pauses in conversations can be really powerful when making a point

[@matthewgonzalez8066]

It’s amazing how writing works. One little line of dialogue makes this scene a thousand times more powerful “for no less noble a cause”

[@mchristr]

This is a terribly inconvenient truth to the historical revisionists. I'm surprised this scene didn't end up on the cutting floor.

[@topfactlord5448]

Because this was made before the world especially the West had a collective stroke...

[@typetersen8809]

​@@topfactlord5448......and became Woke.😊

[@Jamhael1]

Nah, in History, we teach this ALL THE TIME. The problem is the anti-intellectuals...

[@Edax_Royeaux]

@@typetersen8809 It's the anti-woke whom infantilize the Natives as peaceful and spiritual. So many Lost Causers love to harp on about the mistreatment of the Indians by the Union.

[@smokingcrab2290]

Got swept under the rug instead

[@jimvargaco.6344]

I think the dialogue is extremely well written in this scene. Love the way Miles sometimes speaks in vaguely native verbiage to dismiss Sitting Bull, but also clearly has a pretty deep understanding of his history and culture. The “Hundreds of Moons” line always hits hard like a warning “if you want to deal in legend and spiritualism I can treat you like some mystic Indian, but I know we’re both smarter than that.”

[@snakething87]

“This is your story of my people!” “This is THE story of ALL people.”

[@fredmercury1314]

Who did the original British displace? _No one._ Nor the Mauri, neither. New Zealand was empty when they took it.

[@Victoriens]

Not the story of Mohenjo-Daro or Harappa. The Indus River Valley civilization was, by all accounts, the first to settle that region, until the Aryans came and wiped them out.

[@xfom4008]

​@@fredmercury1314 British? British didn't have displacement, but they had subjugation. The angles and Saxons never were driven away, but they were conquered. The descendants of those conquerors rule to this day.

[@silverfishjoe4783]

​@fredmercury1314 Have you, like, never read a history book? The English were slaughtering and conquering each other way before england existed.

[@fredmercury1314]

@@silverfishjoe4783 Much like _every other tribe in the world_ at that time (many of whom still are).

[@DeusExDraconian]

The only thing this misses is how much of the land the North American tribes lost was largely due to trade. Europeans would settle a region and this would actually attract the tribes. One tribe would attempt to monopolize access to the Europeans, because they wanted control over the trade of European firearms and even liquor. This meant they now had superiority over other tribes. It also meant they could profit from the trade of other tribes, since everything had to go through them. Plenty of European exploration was driven by the desire to circumvent these tribes denying access to other tribes who would sell their goods (furs typically) at lower prices. In the 1500-1600s most conflicts between Europeans and the tribes went in the tribes' favour, but while they could win the battles, they did not have the supplies to win the wars because the settlers always had access to European markets and reinforcements.

[@cvn6555]

Things like this are often left out of history. Doesn't benefit the narrative. Did you know that the Boers bought much of the land in South Africa? It was terrible land, poor for development and nobody wanted it. The people that lived there were paid and allowed to stay living there. The Boers forged a modern nation out of nothing. People from the north of there, once it was developed, moved south, violently displacing the native inhabitants. These are the people that made claim to the territory and the world was all too happy to carry their water. Nobody talks about this or the fact that Mandela and his wife were violent terrorists.

[@noreply-7069]

​​@@cvn6555 Also much of the land was literal wasteland and there were no occupants. The Boers basically made something out of nothing!

[@cvn6555]

@@noreply-7069 Yes, they did. And as soon as it became a nice, prosperous place the ANC people swooped in and violently displaced the previous natives and claimed the land. They cannot build, they can only seize and destroy. We see just how shockingly bad SA has become in a few years. They cannot run a country on their own. Too greedy, crooked, stupid and lazy.

[@Conan_the_Based]

That's a lot of cold, hard truth said here for tender 2024 sensibilities.

[@casedismissed8581]

SPOT ON !! well said.

[@sinfinity383]

Amen brother.

[@yessum15]

There's also a lot of lies being stated as well.

[@TheKirkoswald]

@@yessum15 they werent fighting each other?

[@LegendKingY2j]

you can actually agree/disagree with both sides, as much as it was the natives decision to get them guns, they needed them to defend themselves against the same white men who sold the guns to them, they also were warriors, which means they lived to fight, the problem was that they went too far to the point of annihilating all the other tribes, they got too greedy and that was played against them. In the case of the Americans, you can never forget the massacres perpetrated by them against native women and children and their greed for acquiring all of north america for themselves, they literally tried to take over Canada, Cuba and Mexico as well, if that happened they would of also taken south america, no doubt about it.

[@tekay44]

someone finally telling them to sit down. no pun intended. this has been the story since the beginning of time. everyone went through it.

[@dylanbuchanan6511]

This is what I like about this movie. It doesn’t romanticize anything. It doesn’t romanticize the white settler’s brutality, the Indian culture or lifestyle, or Sitting Bull’s gradual irrelevance and loss of pride. It’s good we have films like this that try to take an unbiased look at history and merely explain human nature without trying to moralize any particular faction.

[@juniorthird7952]

This scene in this movie did more teaching than any school teacher has on this subject in the last twenty years

[@Engnrr]

Wow, American is doomed. No college we can just watch movies. SAVE US LORD

[@howardbaxter2514]

Col Miles is correct. Look at the Mayans and Aztecs. Look at the Comanche in Texas. Those tribes thirsted on the blood of other tribes, and did so before the arrival of white men. There is a reason why many tribes sided with the Spanish and the Tejanos, instead of their fellow Natives.

[@Nativestyles]

And look what happened, forced assimilation. Paper genocide.

[@brittanyhayes1043]

@@Nativestyles Penjeda.

[@Nativestyles]

@@brittanyhayes1043 no mames😂

[@saskk2290]

Doesn't change the fact the white man's greed left no room for others

[@GigaChadh976]

@@saskk2290 skull issue

[@IphigeniaAtAulis]

I still find it had to believe Hollywood allowed this scene to exist in a movie made so recently.

[@letseat3050]

"He is a woman you have mounted and had your way with!" Gyotdamn that was harsh!

[@Senator-Wary]

A classy way of saying "Hey, yo he a bitch"

[@grandmab4049]

Harsh and also extremely unfair and unwarranted. Chief Red Cloud was a great man who always fought for his people.

[@stillcantbesilencedevennow]

Tbf, THAT chief was ready to send his women and children to war. Red Cloud refused to watch his people perish.

[@Spoltish]

Back when movies actually contained wisdom, knowledge and the truth. Love this movie.

[@shaystern2453]

and probably inaccurate dialogue

[@josephperez2004]

Dude, its from 2007. It's not some begone era lost to time. Its the same age as Facebook, so would we speak to someone who first saw Facebook come out as if they are some venerable elder of forgotten wisdom?

[@StellaAsh]

I read the book in my teens - it changed my whole world -

[@CassiusDX]

do you remember whether this scene (or something similar) is in the book?

[@StellaAsh]

@@CassiusDX I can't recall -sorry - and I didn't watch the film because so many important books have been butchered by film - I was 14 or 15 when I read it and that was fifty years ago - I think I might search out another copy and re -read it after watching your clip - I'm surprised you haven't read it - it's one of those milestone book's - Gerry Docherty's book Hidden History is another -

[@tylerdurden4080]

@@StellaAsh what's the name of the book?

[@MultiBooster123]

@@tylerdurden4080 bruv

[@Enceladus...]

@@tylerdurden4080 Bury My Knee at Wounded Heart

[@planes3333]

The american colonel miles sure has a strong look or stare to him. He looks serious.

[@sandycarlak3027]

Miles didn't mention the Crows, who's land the Sioux were on at Little Big Horn, and why the Crows helped the army fight them.

[@sandycarlak3027]

@@tomasmccauley569 Actually they DID have it 'returned to them'. The land where the battle was fought is on the Crow Reservation.

[@briansheehan5256]

@@tomasmccauley569 The Crow have always been friends to the U.S.

[@zapatavive1801]

colonazi 'divide and conquer'

[@robertthebruce7176]

@@sandycarlak3027 Can confirm, I have driven through it many times.

[@USCFlash]

the Arikaras too.

[@gasparayakos8215]

Fantastic actor. He has that stern stare, posture and solid voice of a gentleman of old.

[@User71956]

It's a very specific vibe he gives off that grabs you attention and never lets go.

[@johnnyskinwalker4095]

I wonder why we didn't hear more from this guy

[@MrDante2456]

Lately he's been in the show heartland for over 14 seasons and still going​@@johnnyskinwalker4095

[@pgoodwill1978]

Best history lesson in cinema history.

[@willfakaroni5808]

It was a made for tv movie

[@kn0wr3zz]

​@@willfakaroni5808 it was an actually exchange, colonel miles and chief sitting bull actually wrote about it, that's why its in the movie. Maybe you should read before you type away like some keyboard warrior

[@willfakaroni5808]

@@kn0wr3zz made for tv still isn’t cinema

[@TyRiders2]

​@@willfakaroni5808 Doesn't matter.

[@willfakaroni5808]

@@TyRiders2 did I ever said it did?

[@samsticka]

Boy, Colonel Miles really did his research.

[@Aelxi]

Could listen to this kind of dialogue and performance for hours man. Damn good.

[@soldat2501]

I listen to it anytime I have a hard conversation up ahead of me. Note how Miles doesn't get distracted by counteraccusations and misdirection. He doesn't defend his or anyone else's actions. He just keeps spitting facts. That is the way to make your point. Don't get defensive; stay on point. Make the other guy lose his cool first.

[@Aelxi]

@@soldat2501 very good points!

[@chadlarson4149]

When all pretenses are put aside, myth is laid to rest, words fail, and we see each other as we truly are.

[@cabnbeeschurgr6440]

Such is the nature of conflict

[@NoBody-xg1wg]

I'm related to Nelson A Miles.. my maternal grandmother was his niece. There's a couple of good biographies. He was also considered as a candidate for President at sometime in the mid 19-teens. Died in 1927, at a fair with some of his grandchildren.

[@3jasonwebb]

There was someone else further up in the comments who said they were related to Miles through their grandmother. you guys are like distant cousins.

[@caderiddle5996]

We’re all distant cousins really. Whether you believe in Adam and Eve or in some form of evolution we’re still all the descendants of some male and female human or human-like beings all those years ago. The family tree of man is a bush. So are those of every animal on earth.

[@NoBody-xg1wg]

@@3jasonwebb and how would I find that among over 10,000 comments??

[@gkcs]

@@NoBody-xg1wg @wolfofthewest8019 is the person.

[@wolfofthewest8019]

@@NoBody-xg1wg Don't worry, I just found you! We're cousins! My maternal grandmother was his granddaughter.

[@ThomasJeffersonWolfcall-kn3bx]

You win some, you lose some. Go cry me a trail of tears.

[@lukaszrower7612]

An honest man. He told the truth.

[@christopherhancock1723]

I wish things like this were taught more in history class. Neither side were virtuous, they just fought for the future of their people. That is what most wars have been about.

[@IamaCosmonaut]

Isn't fighting for the future of your people kind of virtuous? That's the ultimate lesson in human history. There are no bad guys. Only people who think they are making the world a better place.

[@punishedgloyperstormtroope8098]

@@IamaCosmonautexactly no war has been purely evil German soldiers were fighting for their country and for freedom and to in their opinion save humanity, American and allied soldiers were told they were fighting for freedom and democracy, the Taliban were fighting for their people and religion against a foreign oppressive occupation and American soldiers were fighting “terrorism”

[@TheUnseenPath]

One side was more virtuous than others. Escaping britain to live a better life and one side wants to protect its title. The good natives were blessings but they weren't the ones instigating.

[@miloshp7399]

Losers just get the "moral high ground" of a victim as a solace.

[@punishedphr1610]

@@punishedgloyperstormtroope8098 >le Germany good lmao

[@1stVARifleman]

All of our ancestors are warriors, you wouldn't be here otherwise. That scene is powerful because it is honest and shows both perspectives realistically. I will never fault anyone who believes they are defending their home, and when it comes to any American vs American Indian conflict, both sides, right or wrong, believe they are defending their home. God bless all American Indians. Crazy Horse and Sitting Bull will never die, they live forever in the soul of America herself. They are true Americans and true American warriors, as much as anyone in our illustrious history.

[@warrennicholsony.fernando4513]

Very true. If only a peaceful solution was reached.

[@stagalgiz1097]

@@warrennicholsony.fernando4513 One was, Treaty of Fort Laramie 1868.... It was broken by the US government because some dudes found gold in the Blackhills. Hell they abandoned forts along the Bozeman trail as a result of the Treaty. Fort Fetterman outside of Story Wyoming, where Red Cloud's War started, was abandoned because of the Treaty of Fort Laramie. But then a year later some dudes found gold in the Blackhills of Wyoming and South Dakota and well, that's when things heated up again, and the military ignored the treaty so that prospectors could get rich.

[@Phineas1626]

@@stagalgiz1097 Wasn’t the military who ignored it(though there were plenty of Army dipshits). Look higher. It was the Bureau of Indian Affairs, the Interior Dept., and ultimately President Grant…who all caved to the whims of prospectors(Indians don’t vote). But one good thing came out of the Custer expedition for gold…

[@Ash_Rein]

How can they be Indians if they’re not from India?

[@1stVARifleman]

@@Ash_Rein You clearly do not know anything about American Indians just by making that comment. Only PC virtue-signaling leftists who know nothing about anything refer to them as Native Americans. All scholars on the subject and basically all American Indians themselves still refer to the indigenous population of North America as Indians regardless of if you are offended are not. However, to answer your question historically, when Columbus landed in the Bahamas he thought originally he was in the Indonesian Islands or East Indies and referred to the indigenous population he made contact with as Indians because he was not aware at the moment that he was in the "New World" or what would later be known as America. As a result, the term Indian stuck for literally centuries and still to this day for most people who actually care about the subject and culture.

[@CLM1987]

Sitting Bull getting hit with a dose of reality and not being able to handle it.

[@brittanyhayes1043]

That's the most tragic part.

[@sandycarlak3027]

Surprised the woke people in Hollywood didn't demand this scene be cut.

[@brittanyhayes1043]

@@sandycarlak3027 keep it alive! Don’t let them censor it! They will try to censor truth!

[@brittanyhayes1043]

There a person claiming to be Native American coming around and screaming "White Supremacy is still going on" bs.

[@henryviii2091]

@@sandycarlak3027 I'm sure this scene wouldn't exist if the movie came out nowadays

[@billcollins2798]

FINALLY!! A relatively recent picture which provides dialog from BOTH sides instead of the propaganda hype we're so accustomed to.

[@JL_Lux]

The white propaganda

[@billcollins2798]

@@JL_Lux We haven't heard "white" propaganda for ages. It is rare to hear the arguments as they were presented back then. And it isn't propaganda to state that the tribes warred and stole from each other long before the white man appeared.

[@shawnsg]

This isn't dialog from both sides. This is ready built propaganda in the form of scripted "gotcha" one liners.

[@billcollins2798]

@@shawnsg It's not literal dialog, but the arguments are the same. Everything Miles says in the script is a fact.

[@shawnsg]

@@billcollins2798 the arguments aren't the same. They aren't even real. It's a contrived argument meant to justify wrongdoing through "clever" gottem, in this case, literal dialog. It doesn't however represent a fair and balanced abstract dialog as you imply. Even if you take them at face value they don't even remotely begin to balance the scale in comparison to the atrocities committed against Native Americans. People get upset about mask, imagine how the Native Americans felt.

[@jimmyfirecracker1831]

I am part Taino native, and even my ancestors had wars with the Caribe tribe far before the Europeans arrived. Man will conquer man. It's human history.

[@dantedante839]

Caribes were also Tainos. I live in a region where they used to live too.

[@samaritan_sys]

Weren't they even known for ritual cannibalism in some tribes?

[@jimmyfirecracker1831]

@Ilovecaptainjack224 Yes, they found that among some of the native Caribbean tribes, mostly the Arawak and the Tupinamba tribes.

[@fbyi2940]

@@samaritan_sys same with European Catholicism

[@erc9468]

@@fbyi2940 European Catholicism practiced literal ritual cannibalism?

[@Polarcutter]

Everyone’s land was somebody else’s land at one time.. Always was always will be.