Rebel Moon - How to KILL a franchise instantly

The rollout of Netflix and Zack Snyder's Rebel Moon franchise has to be one of the most baffling failures I've ever seen.
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Wikipedia:
Rebel Moon - Part One: A Child of Fire, or simply Rebel Moon, is a 2023 American epic space opera film directed by Zack Snyder from a screenplay he co-wrote with Kurt Johnstad and Shay Hatten. Its ensemble cast features Sofia Boutella, Djimon Hounsou, Ed Skrein, Michiel Huisman, Doona Bae, Ray Fisher, Charlie Hunnam, and Anthony Hopkins. The film is set in a fictional galaxy ruled by the imperialistic Motherworld, whose military, the Imperium, threatens a farming colony on the moon of Veldt. Kora, a former Imperium soldier, ventures on a quest to recruit warriors from across the galaxy to make a stand against the Imperium before they return to Veldt.
Following a limited theatrical release on December 15, 2023, Rebel Moon was released by Netflix on December 22. It received generally negative reviews from critics. An R-rated director's cut, titled Rebel Moon - Chapter One: Chalice of Blood is set for release in mid-2024,[3][4] and a sequel, Rebel Moon - Part Two: The Scargiver, released on April 19, 2024.
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[@kzilla8864]

It just baffles me that Zack thought this was going to be the next Star Wars or Dune, but he literally just copies stuff from those movies with worst results.

[@Joecbg100]

he's like if Ed Wood made this without the charm.

[@optillian4182]

Someone should tell Hack Snyder that slow motion isn't a substitute for good storytelling.

[@theunknowncommenter725]

*Zack Snyder And I'll gladly take slow motion over THE MESSAGE.

[@optillian4182]

@@theunknowncommenter725 Oh shut up.

[@whyequalswhat]

@@theunknowncommenter725what message? That minorities exist?

[@theunknowncommenter725]

​@@optillian4182 I'm unable to comply.

[@MadGenius]

It's a good thing Rebel Moon pays so many "homages" to various media, to remind you of better things that you could be experiencing instead of Rebel Moon.

[@KaleBennett]

Imagine if Joss Whedon ended up rebooting Rebel Moon and it was phenomenal

[@ChannelPup]

Stop this.

[@KaleBennett]

@@ChannelPup It's like poetry, it rhymes.

[@Joecbg100]

@@ChannelPup You know he did Avengers and was good.

[@kayenat10]

​@@Joecbg100 If they would've given JL to Whedon from the start it would've been better than whatever Snyder gave us

[@Skaiser_Wilhelm7938]

Joss Whedon is a pervert and a creep. I doubt he'll ever be allowed near a blockbuster production after the shitshow that was Justice League.

[@Godzilla-tu2cd]

5:07 are they? Just because it's longer doesn't mean it's good. It'll still lead to the same conclusion. If Zack Snyder can't tell a cohesive story in or around the 2 hour mark then he's a terrible dictator/writer.

[@omniviewer2115]

And where is it written that a movie must only ever be two hours? None of the Lord of the Rings adaptations clock in at that length, yet nobody is claiming that Peter Jackson should have been able to adapt each book within a two-hour runtime. This just strikes me as a strange argument to make. Not all stories can be told in the same amount of space. Sure, there's an accepted average depending on the format, but the length alone does not determine the quality. Some movies need only a few minutes to get to the end, and some need a few hours. Having a studio shave away content from a very long film just to fit an arbitrary idea of "feature length" is hardly the fault of the director/writer. Let me put it this way: Edgar Allan Poe wrote mostly short stories and poems, with only one written work being long enough to count as a novel. Is this what we judge his quality as an author by?

[@JulioLenin88]

​@@omniviewer2115What he meant was that if you need a 4 hour cut, but still released the film at 2 hours long (can't blame the studio. He does that with everyone), then you don't know how to tell a story. Especially if you can easily point out what you can easily cut without compromising the plot ad visuals

[@omniviewer2115]

@@JulioLenin88 You can't blame the studio....when it was the studio that demanded the cuts for something like BvS so they could get a safe PG-13 rating? You do know that a a very similar thing happened with the 2003 Daredevil movie, right? It's not unheard of. Daredevil is another example of a movie that had a significant chunk of content cut from it which led to a bland theatrical release, but which has a vastly superior director's cut. Don't even get me started on the multiple cuts of Blade Runner or Close Encounters of the Third Kind. If this were only a thing that happened to Snyder, there might actually be a case, but it happens all the time to multiple filmmakers in Hollywood. But that's also clearly not what the initial comment says. It says, quote: "If Zack Snyder can't tell a cohesive story in or around the 2 hour mark then he's a terrible dictator/writer." That reads as though there is a specific runtime that should be aimed for, and Snyder's penchant for making movies that run longer is the problem. That logic, of course, is ridiculous. Snyder makes long movies that lean into R-ratings. That's his thing. Now, there's always discussion to be had about if the material itself, but the runtime is immaterial. Again, the Lord of the Rings movies all run over three hours in their theatrical forms. They also each have extended cuts that fans agree are vastly superior, especially The Two Towers. Peter Jackson could not tell these stories "in or around the 2 hour mark", and then even longer cuts with vital material were released. Does this fact alone mean Peter Jackson failed to adapt the books? Or do we base our assessments of these movies on the content itself, regardless of how long they are?

[@pats3212]

​@@omniviewer2115 Theatrical runtimes are an industry standard, Snyder isnt the only director that was forced to abide to these restrictions, if he can't accomodate himself to the industry standards he's just incompetent, he ain't no Andy Warhole making 10 hour films as an artistic statement, he's making pop corn flicks and advertising them as arthouse philosophical films all while selling himself as an misunderstood genious visionary and looking down on people who don't like his movies labeling them as unintelligent

[@pats3212]

​@@omniviewer2115 Except the UE of BvS had all the same glaring issues of the theatrical cut, the lack of context clues wasnt among the main issues of that movie, BvS is fundamentally broken, it's something that should have been revised twice before starting filming

[@JamesFrancis]

I can't imagine how adding MORE time to a story that could have been (and has been) told better in half the time will improve it.

[@AnvilPictures]

The problem with Zack Snyder is that he isn’t a great writer. I would even say he’s terrible. But that’s ok because writing convincing and meaningful dialogue can be difficult depending on what story you’re trying to tell. I’m an aspiring filmmaker and writer. I have ideas but I don’t think I can write at 2 hour long script. Maybe a 10 or 20 minute script if I have the inspiration and understanding of story I’m trying to tell. I have a film on my channel that is based on SCP-1504 or Joe Shmoe. If you’re interested please turn down your brightness just enough so background doesn’t take you out of the story. It’s a mistake on my part because I couldn’t find a suitable location so I had to darken the background as much as possible but didn’t intend on devices with light mode. Also stick around to the end credits for an Easter egg.

[@TheDrexLord]

I don't think he is a terrible writer. I think he can write very good scenes. His problem is making them connected into a good movie . He should just stick to making ideas, and have someone else write the movie and then he can go back and a do some work on the scenes

[@kaiakeenn6430]

@Anvilpictures always be plugging😅

[@AnvilPictures]

@@TheDrexLord that’s fair. Especially in Army of the Dead where plot holes are more prevalent than you might think

[@nope5657]

He hasn't written most of his filmography..

[@AnvilPictures]

@@nope5657 except for the ones he has which has the weakest writing. Those being Army of the Dead, and the Rebel Moons. His previous films he just directed and was based on an existing IP. it’s not a good idea to start your films with just one-third of a completed story out front.

[@lightdarksoul2097]

I don't know Zach tends to be like Micheal Bay if Bay thought he could actually write. Bay knows no one care about the writing of his movies they are there for the look. Zach's movies have can good writing when he isn't writing. He is a visual artist and I think he should stick to that.

[@Sauxeaholic]

Ong like ik how to choreograph a fight and how to get some nice shots and angles but tell me to write a story with plot character dynamics and emotions and its over cause ik i can’t write but i don’t try to write

[@masenguerra7835]

We are already told how much these movies cost. It was 165 million to film both films. Zack Snyder just wanted to make 2 movies rather then 1 because he doesn’t think he can tell a film in 2 hours. He’s become very pretentious with how he does his movies, there’s a insider leak that says how he wanted to buy his own plot of farm land for this movie and then let it wait to grow which halted production and was ultimately pointless because the wheat withered.

[@pats3212]

He actually managed to make Netflix buy that farm land and make the wheat grow, he's talked about taking samples of different timed crops to meassure and control the growth and hieght bc for some reason he felt it was important for the movie like wtf this dude is a whole next level of pretentious 😂

[@Ale-dd3ek]

​@@pats3212oh God this Is what I would see in a Boris episode

[@kieroncampion120]

Zack has now embarrassed WB and Netflix.

[@featherguardian6023]

I’m going to be a bit personal here, I’m a Creature of Vision, I Drawn over 300+ Characters for more than a Decade while making them Unique, Likable, and Interesting while rapping a Storyline, the way I describe the Passion of a Visionary is like Music, it’s a Vibrational Rhythm in Your Head and the Emotional Feeling in Your Heart as you’re giving a piece of yourself in them, I used to believe Snyder as a Visionary but then I saw a major problem in Zach that it was there since BVS began and when I watched Sucker Punch in 2021, the Execution in his Vision, the reason it’s a Flaw is because he’s making his projects as Rushed as Possible than to Build a Universe and thinks his Ideas are better than what the Fans would think, I learned that it’s important to recreate a Bad Character and Story as it brings something Unique and you need to take time for it to Work, I had no Hope for Rebel Moon because it felt like a Rushed Cash Grab than building something New, I describe Rebel Moon as one of the Main Example of what you shouldn’t do when you Start a New Franchise and the weird thing is that this was a Idea of Snyder even since the 90s and multiple Studios like Disney, Lucasfilm, Fox, WB, and so on that they might’ve a good reason as to why they didn’t greenlit Zach’s Franchise Idea, all in all I can’t see a Future for Rebel Moon and perhaps Snyder should Retire or take a Hiatus, also I just don’t have any Will to watch these Movies.

[@HighHeelKnight]

What was the point of having a Tarzan guy that can take griffins if he's not going to go beast master mode during the big climax battle!? WAZUPWITDAT!? 🤷🤷🤷

[@ChannelPup]

One of the best criticisms I've heard for this. Bang on.

[@brandenaustin37]

So I guess Zach snyder can't do no wrong.... It's weird to insuniate that it's all netflixs fault when snyder just isnt a good writer and put action over substance

[@Joecbg100]

It's gaslighting others to think it's their fault this guy can't tell anything besides flat out exposition bombs

[@UnrealNeoBat]

Back then, people said the Star Wars Prequels are a cash grab. Maybe it was modest than today, but fans still said it.

[@Luumiia19]

You say this is one of the worst franchise starts you’ve ever seen, I’d agree and say it’s tied with the DCEUs start…I wonder what Rebel Moon and the DCEU have in common that could have led to their failure…🤔

[@theunknowncommenter725]

Zack Snyder was not responsible for the DCEU.

[@pats3212]

🤔😱🫢🤭🤫

[@theunknowncommenter725]

Zack Snyder was not responsible for anything wrong with the DCEU.

[@Ale-dd3ek]

​@@theunknowncommenter725are talking about the dude Who wanted Superman to be cucked by Batman?

[@henrymockingbird9645]

These rebel moon movies make the Star Wars sequels look like masterpieces made by the Greek gods

[@Joecbg100]

It make me appreciate Last Jedi even more. That's a hard hill to climb. Gimme Serkis as a evil Sith but not, Hugh Hefner looking monster mash man over Lisp Ajax.

[@theunknowncommenter725]

Nothing can redeem the Star Wars sequel trilogy.

[@henrymockingbird9645]

@@theunknowncommenter725 the only thing that could redeem the sequel is probably in nostalgic resurgence if that ever happens it Mosley coming from people who grew up with them

[@henrymockingbird9645]

@@Joecbg100 hell it makes me feel nostalgic for the force awakens which is quite a feet to pull off give me back general hux Finn Poe hell I’ll even take Finn and Rey at this point it makes me wanna give an engraved a apology to both Rian Johnson and JJ Abrams

[@henrymockingbird9645]

@@Joecbg100 hell when you’re making me feel nostalgic for both force awakens and the last Jedi and make me miss those movies that is bad that is badddd

[@lloyd777]

He's a visual director and he should stick to that & his type of "storytelling" fits a TV show format🤷‍♂️

[@jayasada8002]

I actually got the chance to go to a fan screening of Rebel Moon Part 2 and there was a panel at the end where Zack sort of explained the directors cuts. He mentioned that it's nice to have a cut his kids can watch, and then one that is his vision. I am not sure if this is the reason or if it's just him seeing the upside of a mandated directors cut, but I thought that may be something.

[@TheHallow31]

I think the problem is that Zack Snyder's style doesn't always successfully translate to the genres he wants to tackle. Most would agree it worked for 300, a loosely historic mythological epic (which I think is where his style works best). People seem to be split on whether or not it worked for his DC films, superhero flicks. But Space Opera simply isn't his niche.

[@StaticArt]

Zack and Netflix dropped the ball on this with this release tactic. No one is going to come back when you intentionally give us an inferior product

[@MrPMAntunes]

The lore and storytelling is such a mess that you're one of many people I've seen that missed the part that she was already called Scargiver. Got that name for what she did to the princess. Why? No clue, makes no sense.

[@netzach21]

Rebel Mon takes all i've been complaining about the DCEU for years and take it to the extreme to a point where they're impossible to ignore or cover with other stuff

[@thegreenjackal]

Rebel moon is a pretentious action movie that has its action dragged down by long backstories and flashbacks that looks more interesting than what we’re watching and exposition that takes away from the movie. If I didn’t listen to the opening scene of child of fire then I’d be more interested with Noble’s lines talking about slain kings and the explanation later would be more interesting. The character writing is just badly done in a lot of places with characters going into NPC mode when you could learn more about them like how does Titus’ revenge quest bode with those in it for the money and cause respectively? We don’t ever really see that play out or where the film let it’s actors show you, Kora’s first few scenes are an example of it where she says what happened and about something making her different when she was doing enough to show that anyway. It can’t seem to let you wonder and that’s half the fun of these stories because it gives you something to dig into afterwards. It honestly needed more work in terms of figuring out what it wanted to be. The original concept is in tact as a sci-fi seven samurai but it doesn’t seem to work for launching a franchise because it only really works with lower level antagonists like bandits or a low level figure in a larger organisation doing something personal or who’s desperate. For it to have a logical satisfying conclusion, there needs to be an easy explanation to why the heroes being dead or leaving doesn’t leave them open to another attack, which isn’t really possible when you’ve just killed Horatio Nelson whilst sinking HMS victory in one go. I will also say that the required ensemble cast doesn’t look to be Snyder’s strength and the fact we rarely an exploration of character differences show this. You can argue that this could be rectified with a director’s cut but the characters are built too similarly with the same brand of devastation pushing them towards being happy to fight the evil empire. I’d have preferred a movie just following Kora’s backstory, it sounds like a much more interesting story about identities being replaced, indoctrination and the impact of loss on a person eventually culminating in a great betrayal that sets her on a different path and if they had the backbone then she could be responsible for the damage done to the other rebels rather than just adopted by a guy who killed her old family to be be able to. Hope that’s all readable. I’ve been thinking on these movies for a bit. Honestly disappointed because the idea sounded cool and I’m always interested in new franchises but it seems Snyder failed to understand why A new Hope works so well, if drops you in with a short brief and gets you swept up from there.

[@lanalan4157]

Snyder sucks so bad

[@theunknowncommenter725]

He does make good movies, but apparently the rebel moon is might not be some of them. I'm still willing to give them a chance.

[@martinwinter615]

Snyder = Hack if he doesn't have the following a) someone writing the story b) Larry Fong doing the cinematography c) Guillermo Grispo doing the fight and action choreography Snyder is only good at three things 1) shoot composition 2) casting for the looks 3) some style/costume and looks Rebel Moon showed that even this he mostly copies what he has seen = Snyder is a complete Hack that fails upward.

[@spence8507]

1:52 why haven't you made videos before? I'd love to see them. Edit: Nevermind I don't like your take don't make one.

[@SuperMonkeyVivi]

Please give Dune Part Two a look if you haven't already! It's one of the best sci-films films I've ever watched! Between the books and the recent two films, Dune in general is one of my favorite sci-fi franchises. Definitely fills the hole left behind by Star Wars and Rebel Moon.

[@andresousa101]

Btw, Pup, have you ever watched the Genndy Tartakovsky's Clone Wars mini animated series that came out during the prequels? Its pretty great

[@theunknowncommenter725]

*Prequels

[@fulcrum6760]

Bruh, if this becomes a franchise then this is the equivalent to a ship held together by bubblegum and glue.

[@AbdullaFarea]

When Kathleen Kennedy of all people think your story is bad for her new Star Wars, it mean you script is really bad and you need to burn that script, not trying to contact other studio to make it.

[@iambuhlockay8007]

We need to stop excusing Zack Snyder for his theatrical cuts. If he’s told beforehand that he’s going to have to trim his films down, it’s HIS responsibility to make sure they’re still good movies. Peter Jackson and James Cameron are examples of filmmakers who still give us great films even when they’re cut down. It’s a Zack problem, not the studio. The only exception is Justice League. The film was taken from him after a family tragedy, and bastardized.

[@romanov3937]

My problem with Rebel Moon is that it’s boring, there’s a lot of padding and the characters are a bore to watch too, I have no reason to care about them

[@mrdomi8907]

I dont know dude have you come in consideration that maybe Zack Snyder is not that great of a director?

[@christopherdavis678]

Hes not! Rebel Grain pt 1 and 2 show just how ridiculously overrated he is by his own fanatical fanbase 🙄

[@theunknowncommenter725]

​@@christopherdavis678 he is a great director, but every great director fails once in a while.

[@christopherdavis678]

@theunknowncommenter725 Thats your opinion but uhm ya Snyder not a great director by any stretch and he didn't just stumble.... those 2 movies show just who Snyder really is 🙄

[@davidmaxwell1578]

You say this is copying a lot from star wars, for me personally, I find way more similarities with the setting of Warhammer 40,000.

[@TheDrexLord]

I dont understand why this is 2 movies. First I think this should be a show not movies. And if it is a movie then you can just take the first movie, then do a montage of the farmers training then the final battle of the 2nd movie

[@CWTheArtist]

I feel like Snyder just needs someone like Chris Terio to write his films. Or I dunno, Netflix should’ve just let Snyder just put out the director’s cuts instead of the ones they did to just clearly get another Snyder cut movement

[@pats3212]

Terrio wrote BvS and ROTS, dude's a fraud, Argo was a fluke

[@theunknowncommenter725]

​@@pats3212 BvS was great, but ROTS was not. But nothing could have saved episode 9 whatsoever.

[@pats3212]

Zack Snyder hasn't done anything truly great since 300, and that was 2 decades ago, it's like he's evolving backwards, funniest part is he was put as head of DC despite coming from 3 consecutive flops only bc he's good friends with Nolan, the dude's been failing upwards his entire career and his newfound -cult- fanbase has done nothing for him other than make him buy into his own (allegedly) self financed online hype, let's hope his Netflix failures are the humbling wake up call he needed to get his head out of his 4ss

[@theunknowncommenter725]

He made Watchmen, Man of Steel, Batman v Superman, and his director's cut of Justice league. Those are pretty great movies. None of them were flops.

[@eway44]

I'm not the only one whose favorite Star Wars trilogy is the Prequels!

[@filipvadas7602]

The movies are visually stunning. But in terms of plot and characters it feels like a hodge podge of ideas other movies and shows have alredy done before in less time, but with nothing new or interesting to actually distinguish it. I'm not asking for a new franchise to reinvent the wheel, but if the audience is consuming your work and thinking about other works of fiction, that have many of the same elements, that they could be enjoying instead, that's when you've failed as a writer in my opinion.

[@lightdarksoul2097]

Bout the zach synder cuts of his dc movies... I don't know movies shouldn't need DLC to be decent but I guess that's not his fault... mostly at least

[@pats3212]

Theatrical cuts are an industry standard, if he cant tell a good story under 2 hours he should do independent films instead of trying to force his vision on stablished IPs

[@lightdarksoul2097]

@@pats3212 I agree

[@theunknowncommenter725]

Man of Steel was a complete movie upon first release and it still is. He must be satisfied with it to not need to give it a director's cut. Batman v Superman in justice league or both director cut's because the studio interference and boneheaded decisions.

[@theunknowncommenter725]

​@@pats3212 you can tell good stories in 3 hours or more.

[@lightdarksoul2097]

@@theunknowncommenter725 I mean after being told you aren't getting three hours for a movie you should write a two and half hour movie. The man can't adapt

[@AceOfPhanatic]

I like how he just putting all of faults on Netflix and non on zack when ot comes to how these films were released

[@Joecbg100]

I knew he would. Never his fault he sucks.

[@pats3212]

He's a Snyder fanboy what did you expect?

[@anovaguy]

Sure Snyder pooped out some shit, but this is a bigger problem with Netflix's venture cap model of content creation. Are we going to see 100 more attempts at IP creation in hopes that one hits and gives the shareholders MCU level returns?

[@mikeythewarriormtw5140]

When I keep seeing advertisements and lead ups to Rebel Moon Part 1 release, I constantly heard Zack Snyder's Star Wars. Zack Snyder's current directing style is definitely R rated as of late. Star Wars is PG13. Also hearing there is a planned part 3 and 4 of Rebel Moon too makes it sound like Netflix is trying to see which way the franchise should be but it's stupid that they just release 1 version straight to streaming. I feel it would have been better to release both versions of each film at once. Even though I did enjoy both personally, I just releasing these downgraded Rebel Moon versions does feel it ruined all potential in the franchise ever continuing than maybe both PG13 and R versions.

[@TrentMcman7684]

Balls.

[@Joecbg100]

The extended cuts or whatever will pump some blood into the heart of this but it feels like it's on support, i can't stress enough how fucking dumb it was to have this already compromised in it's debut. I dont care if it was Zack or Netflix, you both doomed this thing to instant joke status and it's gonna be impossible to not shake those steps. My only hope and this wont ever happen is that Snyder get's off his high horse and never writes again and let Gail Simone do all the writing. Cause just cause his cuts are longer doesn't guarantee quality, exception being Watchmen cause the blueprint was already laid out.

[@Ale-dd3ek]

Zack Snyder wanted to build a super franchise by ripping off battle beyond the stars

[@kevineross8582]

I loved the bones enough to buy into the films as a whole. I was looking to buy these two films when I saw this critique. Still looking to buy

[@TheBlond49]

Snyder is the one who the the wrong lesson from ZSJL cut

[@bluebellsforever]

Zack Snyder is also making an animated movie. Are you gonna watch it ?

[@ChannelPup]

Absolutely!

[@bluebellsforever]

@@ChannelPup yeah me too. I really like that type of art style !

[@optillian4182]

​@@ChannelPupWhy?

[@tylerzimmerman757]

I actually really like the Rebel Moon movies.

[@LilMissThor]

I think Zack Snyder did a great job with Justice League and DCEU would have been better off is they'd leaned into it rather than constantly wanting their cake and eat it too. They wanted dark brooding Supermans and Batmans to be as beloved and marketable as the bright, colorful and heartfelt Supermans and Batmans of yesteryear. And that's just not how things work. You can't go for a darker Superman story about alienation and loneliness that comes with superpowers, and then flip the script and act like he was a lovable smiling hero of the people. Nobody bought it. Committing to Snyder's vision would have at least created a more coherent and enjoyable DCEU that might still be ongoing and viewed in a more favorable light. I do disagree with Watchmen though -- they were never meant to be cool. Nor were they meant to be assholes. And that's why Zack never "got it" imho. They were just meant to be *human* -- and as messy and complicated and fallible as any other person put into positions of power and forced to make decisions with no good answer. Moore's deconstruction of superheroes was never "what if heroes were assholes who killed and said fuck", it was "what if superheroes behaved like real people like you and me" rather than the romanticized and/or idealized superheroes of yore.

[@raimiallpowerful2020]

Zach is a director that intrigues me so much. I love two of his films (zsjl and watchmen (not seen 300)) but the rest just conflict me, I'm an artist so his visuals are sublime (when not too muted), but it's really good how he can articulate every choice he makes. Mini unimportant dc rant: But man I just hate some of his choices, like I'm with alan moore on his superman take that superman being a godlike figure goes against him, because god's make rules for others while superman is the opposite, all the jesus stuff I think it makes superman feel less original and like his JEWISH creators just made jesus into a superhero. And puts it forward he's told or expected to do good as opposed to he naturally wants to. And how the black suit is his definitive look? huh, I feel that doesn't match his arc at all, if anything going brighter was something Joss did better. And batman killing I just don't like. actual point: I need to ask, are you a good director if you can't get across your ideas in less than 3-4 hours? he requires an extra version to every film remotely decent or good. His ideas feel too simple, like his profound biblical ideas.... are in everything, they aren't even original or unique. Hell, rebel moon is sold as "the new star wars".... here's a note, star wars already exists. Kingsman is like "the new bond" but it isn't just that, everything about rebel moon down to it's love of a blank sandy planet feels like the sequels copying every original trilogy foot note or planet except this isn't even star wars. I don't think zach is a good writer, I see a lot of myself in his work and his ideologies as an artist, however... all of it is visual. His writing is quite shallow and very flawed, his good elements come from the visuals and it assisting the story. what's the best scene in zsjl? well subjective, but the contenders are the speed of force, cyborg discovering his powers, the league standing together. Yeah they're all visual storytelling that stand alone. ZSJL to me (from a lover of it) I think are saved by these moments. I think he can succeed working with a writer, he reminds me exactly of bruce timm, with a paul dine, dwayne mcduffie etc. he's amazing as an art director (or was his work is so bland now). But alone or with more control you get the killing joke 2016 and his own weird head canons becoming official fan fiction like batman fucking batgirl, or in zack's case; batman murdering.

[@b100d.br02]

first rebel moon was mid as hell but the second was far better. i hope future movies are better (there will be more)

[@jcrebel18]

personally, I didn't watch as I already heard there were Director's Cuts coming.

[@nickhughes3684]

Love ya Pup but have to disagree. I feel like Zack Snyder is what would happen if Michael Bay tried making Christopher Nolan films. Different horses for different courses but I find Snyder films boring and the characters unlikeable

[@badollies]

this feels like an autopsy lesson, class is in session lads

[@travisgames6608]

Well.. Snyder didn't write Watchmen. He just directed it and put on his flare. The dialogue was just copied from the comics and put to screen. Honestly, I watched the director's cut twice and the theatrical cut three times. They both suck, if you sit down to think about the plot. Plus, with the Rebel Moon stuff, that's both Snyder and Netflix jerking him off for a director's cut when it isn't necessary. Why not just release the actual movie? 🤷🏽‍♂️ Well I know, to recreate the hype of the Snyder Cut. Seems like he's going to continue to do that's for the rest of his movies from here on out. It's funny how when he's left to his own devices, people complain. When he's adapting an already established property with competent writers, everyone edges him tondeath. I just can't understand why people actually think he's a great director.

[@ishaanbhattacharya9405]

Justice league Snyder cut was somewhat of a watchable film but everything that followed it has been trash. Every film he has made has been hot garbage Zack Snyder should stop directing films But atleast he's far away from DC rn

[@ordeporama]

Hey pup, i just clicked on the video and i wanted to tell ya to keep up the good work Edit:dude, watch andor !

[@GreenPeelEL34]

ZS is a fraking con artist.

[@theunknowncommenter725]

No, he's just an artist. But every artist fails once in a while.

[@lightdarksoul2097]

Pfft a rebel moon fan. Right

[@Dani-kq6qq]

Nah, r rating and runtime is not what is lacking rebel moon movies, these movies is bad on a fundamental level. Snyder himself supports these cuts and they are bad.

[@nope5657]

The 2hr cuts of these films simply aren't the real films. I'm not watching them until the real cuts come out. Imo everyone trashing these now are trashing gutted, incomplete work. You cant cut an 1hr out of a movie and have it play well. On one end at least he got make these movies. On the other Netflix cynically trying to cash in on the Snyder Cut movement is bullshit corporation nonsense.

[@moonshine588]

Just watch Andor please.

[@caldervanegas240]

I’m sorry but you’re being too nice to Zack right now like he did do some good stuff but this was bad and director’s cut isn’t going to save it. It being longer doesn’t always mean it will be good except lord of the rings of course but still if Zack has to always do director’s cut to make it better is just lazy to me because that means to me is that you can’t write a good movie if it isn’t long enough. You can’t defend on this channel pup this is just bad, hell I would watch knuckles over rebel moon because at least it actually had enjoyment

[@mixanderfigueroa3999]

Zack Snyder is a fine director but not a great writer.

[@Forumbug74]

1 minute and no views or comments? Bro fell off/s

[@BobbyMoore2-mp8wb]

😅

[@kbennett2587]

I will never understand the logic of those behind Netflix. They banged the drum for tiger king during 2020. Yet, pull the plug on dark crysta:age of Resistance the day after it wins a emmy. They are then bold when telling stories like the Jeffery Dahmer series. Yet they get cold feet over a r rated sci-fi series. It's almost as if they overreact a thousand times over when they get criticized.

[@whyequalswhat]

They didn’t get cold feet on Rebel Moon. They knew how extremely stupid Snyder fans are and would blindly watch two terrible movies twice

[@kbennett2587]

@whyequalswhat I don't think that's fair to say about the fans of this man's work. However, it's clear that they had an odd idea of marketing the film series.

[@MarcinSzkodziski-xe2qp]

I never watch this movie befor j😊😅😮😂😂❤🍏🍏🫚😃😃🫥 15:47