Rebuilding a 2018 Ford Explorer Limited AWD front sway collision part 3

[@hishamhaidar6286]

You're just a fucking nerd how's your friend that piece of tape what's his name Wilson fucking moron

[@vehcor]

Aww, is the keyboard warrior jealous? You wouldn't run your mouth in person even to a piece of tape. LMAO Go to bed little one.

[@shazerash872]

vehcor yup...Definitely won’t run his mouth in person...

[@gertraba4484]

Wilson needs a friend or stunt double to do the hazzardous stuff here...................try some duct tape and call her DUCKY

[@i8screaminmoose]

He just wishes he was that piece of tape.

[@danielhartin7680]

You wouldn't dare pound those gums in person. Scott is seriously into lifting heavy things in the gym. Then putting them down, then lifting them again.

[@draco24433]

I am a Ford guy but still love your videos and humor. I actually get a good laugh!

[@vehcor]

I’m glad not everyone is so sensitive. Drive what you like!

[@Robsav-yx6vi]

Scott , great job . Really appreciate how much work You put in the editing of all your Friday gems . Anyone Would buy a first class rebuild from you . Take care

[@vehcor]

Thanks for the support!

[@FlyEaglesFly19111]

Never boring friday..hey I thought this was hide and seek..no wait.. it was like that can at the end of the build with the extra bolts you hoping out the front end...lol. Scott as always thanks a ton for sharing. End of the week is always better watching VECHOR. Be safe have a good weekend.

[@vehcor]

It took a lot of restraint not to pop out of there with something silly to say and do! 😂

[@sonnyblazer5504]

Thank you for another good one! Scott, you went after those $75 x 2 bolts because YOU COULD and would NOT let them beat you. You never take NO for an answer. Listen, your editing is something else and you should receive a SAG award. Between your projects, your knowledge & ability, educational speaking manner, you are a win all around. You even bought the right nose with damaged left fender you didn't need. And the 'prop rod' fix had the extra support FORD should have used. Great job, seriously. I really look forward what you've done with Fridays! Thank you. Sonny

[@vehcor]

Thanks for your encouraging words. Loyal fans (and pissing off the haters) push me to make videos when I would rather be doing ANYTHING else.

[@mikecrowley9773]

Never seen that antifreeze setup, pretty cool. Love these boring builds.

[@vehcor]

It's not cheap but in the long run, it is worth it. Thanks for watching.

[@duaneb193]

I bought an AirLift when I had to repair the radiator on my RV (Cat DP) - one of the BEST purchases I've made recently, and talk about an easy antifreeze fill and zero air bubble issues. We've used it several times since for our regular rigs and love it.

[@beluxauto5968]

You are doing a great job on that car . Nice that you found that front end and in my humble opinion you are a true professional with an eye for detail and budget . You know what to repair and what to replace . Working with your own money is totally different from working at a shop where they throw the new pieces towards a car like snow on a snowy day .

[@vehcor]

Thanks, I’ve had some practice and made some mistakes but learned from them. The deals are harder to come by but they are still out there with enough searching. Thanks for the support.

[@sonnyblazer5504]

Round two! I found this one so good, I came back to play it again. You're smooth, Scott and have your act well together. Buddy of mine stopped by and we got to talking about KZbin, cars and who we subscribe to. I told him about you and showed him this video and your 'cavity wax' video. He is now a subscriber. Seems since KZbin, everyone has a Doctorate in COPART Walkarounds but can't really do much else. Oh well, sorry to take up space on your Sunday - but hey, you're that good and I need to show you off. See you Friday (unless you take a well deserved day off.) SONNY

[@MrTydriver]

Excellent work man, it's very gratifying to watch a qualified rebuilder in motion.

[@vehcor]

Thanks for the support!

[@rickhubbard7342]

Fords when they were built in Britain at Dagenham had the same rust problems and were known as Dagenham Dustbins (trash cans in American), I think maybe they are a little better now as they are 95% plastic and come from Belgium or some other European disposal point. You have my respect and admiration for the work you and the afternoon crew do and thanks for sharing your talents with us.

[@vehcor]

Where I am everything rusts. I just give Ford a hard time since they seem to start sooner than the others. lol Thanks for the support.

[@chevyman7021]

Good job , as a chevy guy who once worked in parts dept for a ford dealer, i feel your pain.

[@t.w.3]

Nice video. Shows the cost cutting and "smart" ways to ensure short lived components in modern vehicles. Thanks for the upload. :)

[@TheRnwood]

I love my ford. That being said, we live in a society where we can express our feelings and thoughts freely. This is a GOOD thing. I love your content and appreciate your honesty. Thank you for making these great videos and sharing them with us. I sincerely enjoy all your content!!!!!

[@dueljet]

I look forward to your videos every week (no pressure on you) and don't know what I would do without the boring builds!

[@vehcor]

Thanks, I’ll keep the weekly videos going as long as I can. Thanks for the support!

[@KD0LRG]

Love the Ford seat bolts that stick out over an inch under the truck so they get nice and rusty.

[@vehcor]

They save on Loctite with the rust! 😂

[@robertelson2564]

Never boring great video and commentary & informative ,thanks.

[@Kramer4583]

My wife asked me if I was watching golf. Keep up the good work!

[@vehcor]

Nope, there is something more boring than golf to watch now. lol Thanks for the support!

[@tslater1989]

@@vehcor rather watch this any. Day. Of. The. Week.

[@bradschuh4618]

There’s no V.W.’s here🤣

[@hommie789]

Scott your channel deserves a million views and million subs or more, easily the best and most interesting build channel period.

[@vehcor]

Thanks for the support!

[@samuelj.burgessjr.3589]

I have really enjoyed watching your videos since I found the site a couple months ago, enough so that I went back and watched the old ones too. You have come a long way. Your comments & descriptions in place of music are what make them great, allows us a window into your world. Thank You for sharing.

[@hbeals1810]

I can vouch for the slow pace of Ford parts availability. The steering rack failed on my '16 Focus ST. FOUR months till they got me one and the communication about the issue while waiting was sorely lacking. At least it was under warranty. Love the channel!

[@vehcor]

All manufacturers do it but Ford seems to be one of the worst offenders. lol Thanks for the support!

[@darrylschmidt704]

Hi Scott, I like the format of your videos. Its smart to video the work and narate over it. Few do this. I have learned a lot. Thank you.

[@davidp2888]

I haven't owned a Ford product in over 24 years and I have no regrets about that decision. Another great video with Captain Smiley.

[@vehcor]

I do prefer the Explorers over the GM alternative but otherwise I’m not a big Ford fan. As a mechanic, I do like them though. 😂

[@marcosmaisterra4477]

As always, Scott, I enjoy your videos. I also am a fan of your sense of humor. Keep making the videos and I will keep watching them

[@thagerdorn2009]

It absolutely blows my mind that these hacks that "rebuild" cars act like it's so hard and half ass everything...taking the few extra MINUTES to do it right makes a world of difference... accidents can and will compromise the safety of these vehicles, especially modern vehicles with all the airbags and shit...I don't do body work, but I work on cars and have for 15 years...I NEVER half ass anything. It's not worth it to save a few minutes and bucks. I use OEM parts, or parts made by the same manufacturer that made the OEM parts...Scott, thank you for taking your time and doing it right. Restoring faith in humanity...you rock brother.

[@paullevy561]

Never a dull Friday, even when the afternoon crew is MIA.

[@vehcor]

👍🏻

[@PA1207]

Hay Scott, looks like another great build 'Friday' The public seems to have gone to their low water mark again. Ford is, well not as bad as some I guess, well considering GM is not that much better. Great Video Bud ! I always enjoy watching a pro handle these jobs ! Keep them coming !

[@theratcoon3488]

I like how hes honest

[@vehcor]

I just say what I think. Sometimes it gets me in trouble. 😂

[@robertaccorsini4663]

My wife got me shirt that says “You know that little thing inside your head that keeps you from saying things you shouldn’t? Yeah, I don’t have one of those.” That’s why I like your videos.

[@louislouis4221]

Another great tutorial video. Thank you for the thorough and in-depth explanation. I purchased the best seller vehicle in USA. A Ford F-series. Very interesting the building differences with other brands. Appears as is Ford is more complex when they put together the parts creating a harder environment at the time of changing or rebuilding parts.

[@Cruzomeda]

You really have to keep an eye on those painting gnomes!

[@vehcor]

No, they don’t come out and work if you watch them! 😂

[@benmudn]

Captain Smiley always makes my day =-)

[@vehcor]

He is my best employee! lol

[@scottrasmussen8258]

@@vehcor most reliable!

[@endall6783]

No back talk and he sticks to it until the job is done.

[@pinball541]

NEAT! Time to get more Ford on your Hands, part 3. Scott, don't forget to remind people to put the closeout panel under the bumper. SORRY, that line was from my favorite Grand Am video. Couldn't resist! 👍 Hello from Phoenix Arizona!

[@vehcor]

Bleach kills the Ford virus. This closeout panel goes on top where everyone likes to put the Grand Am ones. lol

[@pinball541]

@@vehcor- That explains it. The last person who worked on that certain Grand Am must have been a Ford mechanic! Since we are Pontiac fans, I think a Fiero GT project would be great content. What do you think? 👍

[@justinunger38]

@@vehcor Do a mini van

[@pinball541]

@@justinunger38- Montana or Transport?

[@lakesideranch]

Hey Scott, happy Friday! Great video, plenty of shots at Ford "better ideas" and, as always great narration. Missed seeing the afternoon crew again on this segment, hope they are well and happy. Congratulations on the score of the entire front clip for your Exploder, and a few bucks saved. I enjoyed the cool trick with the hood hinges, saving another 150.00, epic Ford single-use parts.....Really? Work safe, stay warm, enjoy your weekend! Doug@ the "ranch"

[@vehcor]

The AC wants no part of this Ford project. 😂 They are doing well though. Have a great week!

[@buffsheeri]

a great find, that must have taken some time we'll done

[@vehcor]

A quick search on car-part.com and a yard I use regularly popped up. Nice little road trip to Michigan. Thanks for watching!

[@bigpjohnson]

Front/rear clips are the way to go if you need a whole bunch of parts.

[@gurneyhallac8305]

When you climbed in that engine bay I thought you would go vroom vroom I'm a ford I'm a ford

[@marksmith6104]

Can I just say that really like your work, video content and production? 💯

[@wileycoyotesr8623]

Your editing is excellent. The body work flows and is easy to understand. You're a good educator.

[@svpracer98]

I'm watching this repair series only for your comments on Ford's engineering... quality...

[@vehcor]

I just call it like I see it! lol

[@Max_Thunder]

You make these rebuilds look so easy. Great work!

[@vehcor]

Thanks!

[@rogueranger7989]

Thanx 4 Sharing... Looking Forward 2 Next Adventure.

[@vehcor]

Thanks for watching but we still have to finish this adventure! lol

[@dougowens2686]

Man i am so glade i am not the only one who breaks the push pins you mad my day :)

[@ronvan1362]

Scott, I can tell by your enthusiasm, that you really do like a FORD. Have a great day big guy, and see ya in the next video.

[@vehcor]

I give them a hard time but they are not all bad. lol Have a good one!

[@richdecker39]

I love your videos and sense of humor, thanks for posting

[@vehcor]

Thank you for watching!

[@speedtrapp219d2]

Missing the afternoon crew loving the build brother

[@vehcor]

They want no part of this Ford. 😂

[@speedtrapp219d2]

vehcor surprised lol

[@BiggHoss]

Ahh Ford. Do not miss working on them.

[@leardi58]

Who would ever think how expensive a piece of plastic cost crazy how much they charge. Great vid 👍

[@vehcor]

I think they are just seeing how ridiculous they can get at this point. lol

[@MixedupMatt1]

Making it look easy as usual!

[@vehcor]

Thanks!

[@jeremyanthony9300]

Love boring build Friday's. Keep them coming

[@vehcor]

Thanks, will do!

[@josephjones4468]

I think hell has finally froze over there's actually a Ford rebuild video and nothing goes in the pile? I must be drinking too much lol

[@vehcor]

We have to finish the truck so we can drive it into the pile. lol

[@josephjones4468]

That'll happen after you sell it kinda like the dealership lmfao

[@stephenhorbatiuk2811]

Didn’t hurt my feelings!!! Can’t believe that the special order bumper cover is so far out! You can rebuild a completely new project in the same time. Will say, Great and Interesting content. Try not to make this rebuild look too easy. Cheers Ps Mustang sounds good!!

[@j.d.martinez153]

That fabed up hood prop holder looked good along with the anchor of the flat head phillips screw. Will you ever show any body and paint (blending) prep work by chance. Lol I know you don’t like it, but would like to see how a real professional does it. That exploder must have been the easiest rebuild for you on the channel so far.Heard FoMoCo wants cores for there crash parts; any truth to that? I am staying tuned for the rustang build. Not a fan of the blue oval, just want to see how a real pro gets a 56 year old car fitted with the latest FOMoCo powertrain.

[@JuniorFan08]

You just make everything look so easy.

[@Ray_Sellner]

Editing and camera positions were great.

[@vehcor]

Thanks

[@davidconley3610]

Nice. Buying a front clip is the only way to go! Most rebuilds you get are missing parts and fasteners!

[@vehcor]

Yep, all the fasteners were gone when I got it. I just got lucky to find the only one and it was close. I had to sacrifice the correct bumper but it was still worth it.

[@brettlarson2764]

Might want to make sure the air bag sensors are the same. I ran into different ones when Building mine. Tried different sensors they all would plug in but still illuminate the light. Got the same part number as original and no problems.

[@vehcor]

They are, no light.

[@Clarkedawg3]

I know things aren’t as simple as you make them look.... but your boring build Friday’s are awesome. Great channel! Who’s the guy that replaced the afternoon crew? (Slackers. Haha j/k )

[@vehcor]

Thanks for the support. That is the late night shift. I usually turn all the prep and bodywork over to him. He painted the front end so I could reassemble it. He usually works when I leave so you don't see him. He is like the painting gnomes. lol

[@paulog8813]

I really like the fact will have to wait for weeks to get the part from Ford. This way you’ll have more time for the Mustang.

[@jonhodges5344]

Always a pleasure to watch. Thanx

[@vehcor]

Thanks!

[@dadgarage7966]

Rad hose spring clamps are a good invention. They maintain an ideal clamping force throughout a wide temperature range.

[@trokerosolitario2811]

Great idea, a channel exclusively for Ford vehicles or even better only Ford Explorers. 👍

[@vehcor]

We seem to be a Ford channel lately. lol

[@ManMountainMetals]

I saved up 4 episodes for a mini binge watch. 🎉

[@vehcor]

You can blame Ford for not getting to see it finished in 4 episodes. lol

[@ManMountainMetals]

@@vehcor I had a real succulent smartass comment to that effect but I see you have already pinned a troll. So I will save it for when you again take a totally reasonable amount of time to accomplish complicated tasks while simultaneously filming them.

[@thomasweatherford5125]

Ford: $40k for a vehicle! Pay up suckah! Owner: Hood struts? Ford: 🖕🏼

[@vehcor]

lol

[@TheRandy3D]

I've got a Ford expedition, hood stays open on its own...lol and it's a 2008, Ford just sucks

[@Mjc103]

TheRandy3D how are those cam phasers?

[@TheRandy3D]

@@Mjc103 they're great, I hardly drive it and keep driving my 2012 Malibu I bought damaged and fixed.. the expedition has had everything that could break replaced or fixed..trans, fuel pump..coil packs battery and on and on..hate this 08, my 98 was awesome but this make believe expedition sucks!

[@marcbeau1982]

Ill have you know 80% of Fords built are still on the road today... the other 20% made it home.

[@colescrustycars]

I have done a few light wrecks since I started watching your channel, a 04 buick for my dad. 35k mile car, 02 ranger that I flipped, a 05 Silverado i flipped and Im workng in a 09 civic right now. Hood, fenders, rad support, bumper etc. Boy is this car flimsy. Im scared to work on it lol. I kinda cheated, i drilled out the spot welds and only replaced half of the radiator support. Saved me some drilling on the other side.

[@vehcor]

They are very thin. If you can weld an Asian car, you can weld anything. 😂 Cheating is fine, I’ve done it too. It will not impact safety or reliability so you are all good. Good luck on the future builds.

[@endall6783]

Nice job I was wondering would getting parts from the south somewhere I'm not talking way down for the right price that is. I know the parts may not be as rusty and that would be a lot better I think.

[@vehcor]

I try to get parts from the south but since this had to be 4wd the odds of finding them are slim.

[@willf5768]

Finding that used clip was a life saver have been down that road many times. hard to find parts are hard to find. And the last one I found was a stovepipe for my 68 pony car well one that was original and in good shape and didn't cost an arm and a leg found one on ebay for $20.00. I'm cheap too.🙂👍👍👍👍

[@actorzone856]

you got lucky with the donor front end solves all the headaches should be all down hill from here..

[@vehcor]

I also got a lot of missing fasteners and pigtails that the shop didn't include after they took it apart. Used parts are always my favorite.

[@Louisfps]

You can always import It from Canada, lol lol Great find that front end looking Sharp. Nice job👍👍👍👍💯💯💯

[@vehcor]

I went 1/2 way to Canada for the front end! 😂

[@muskokamike127]

@@vehcor lol you're like 300 miles from Canada where you are......

[@icerazar713]

Nice to know that I'm not the only one who calls them Exploders. 👍

[@vehcor]

I have been for years. lol

[@smittybk09]

Great Project & Safety First 🤓

[@vehcor]

Thanks

[@markurban4766]

You got lucky in finding that complete nose. Good work!

[@vehcor]

I did, helps make a few more dollars!

[@TheRandy3D]

Seeing this gives me the same negative feeling towards Ford Everytime I look at my expedition... Every Chevy I've had has been awesome! Bought a 2012 Malibu with similar damage as that explorer y'all are filming and it took me a week and a donor car the same color...and carefully bend the radiator support out little by little til it was back where it should be. 12k miles on my Chevy since 11/19 and fixing it, totally awesome car....Oh and it has a Hood STRUT!!!! Lol

[@vehcor]

I pick on Ford for the dumb stuff they do but I would take the Explorer over an Acadia, traverse, enclave any day. Those things are terrible but as a mechanic, I love them. 😂 All cars have their quirks but it is so much fun to rile up the Ford sheep.

[@TheRandy3D]

@@vehcor I know exactly what you mean, I'm alive and walking because of a Ford Windstar my mom owned when I was a kid and we had a bad accident.. it wasn't totalled, and weird to get back in once it was fixed. As an adult my most reliable cars have been Chevys.. I wish I could share my before and after of my 2012 Malibu, mainly bought it (severe deer damage) to get me reliably to and from cancer treatments before my health declines.. my Malibu hasn't let me down but the expedition has unfortunately.

[@hpelisr]

I think you made quick work of this one,

[@vehcor]

It turned out to be a nice easy job, less work than I expected. That never happens. lol

[@jennifurzoe1302]

@@vehcor except the 3 weeks to wait and hear how much longer to wait on that part.

[@Springfield-1903]

As always, another excellent video! I must admit that all manufacturers have their pros and cons but I still choose to hate on Ford for one primary reason and it is the difficulty of finding parts. Looking for a simple dipstick or an ABS sensor etc? Year, make model and sometimes engine size for all other manufactures and any parts store can handle it. Ford? Oh no! Year, model, month, which plant, day of week, hour of day, was it leap year, VIN number, cage code, blood sample, first born, much cussing and threats of violence and maybe you'll eventually acquire a part. ..even then it's usually the wrong one.

[@vehcor]

LMAO.

[@markwilson3033]

You not hurting my feelings, Go Ford Go !, and I love my 2016 Explorer Limited, thanks

[@billt2520]

Another good video, keep up the good work.

[@vehcor]

Thanks, will do!

[@mickfreeburn9181]

So enjoy your videos I hate people who negativity comment if they don’t agree just say nothing your work very impressed thank you

[@vehcor]

Thanks, it is those people's only chance to feel relevant in life. lol Thanks for the support!

[@fredchase9945]

Hurry up and rebuild that Mustang. I can`t wait to see it finished and the afternoon crew driving it.

[@BrucePierson]

YES. Go back to the Mustang. I see that vtuned is getting ahead of you with his 66 Mustang retro-mod. He's already cut the front off the 66. I'm interested to see what you do to your 65 to fit all the newer parts.

[@vehcor]

I do things when I have time, he will be done long before me.

[@91KELLIS]

I know why the crash bar is weld and bolted. I work at the ford assembly that built that and worked that job installing the crash bar. Its weld because when its installed its pull on a rack with the inner dash structure as it goes down the the line. The front frame structure is added and a robot picks all the pieces aligns everything up and welds them as one. The bolts dont get added till the end on the line in body before paint

[@vehcor]

That still doesn't explain the bolts. Why not more welds? Why put bolts in? It's not like you can remove the part by removing them. It's a Ford thing, I guess I just don't understand. lol So I make fun of it, just like the stupid glued on fenders! Some of the F250s have so much glue you can ruin a fender trying to remove them. Silly Ford!

[@danlenox1430]

It's looking good Scoot.. Looks like you've really been practicing lifting down lol

[@vehcor]

I’m no expert but I try! 😂

[@solatope11]

How on earth did you find the whole front end!!!, that is such an amazing find/buy

[@vehcor]

I regularly search car-part.com

[@fred-cm2dc]

did you remember the bracket upper radiator hose ? good job!!!

[@vehcor]

Not sure exactly what you are talking about but it is all back together as it should be, I promise! 😂

[@jamesterrill1938]

Good job. Maybe some Ford parts will show up aftermarket....

[@vehcor]

They will eventually as the vehicles get older.

[@BrainsofFrank]

Thanks ford for brilliant ideas......

[@AlamoEyeNews]

Very entertaining video.

[@vehcor]

Thanks

[@jrv858]

Great work....where can i get oem repair procedures any idea?

[@smittybk09]

What brand Angled Clip Remover Tool Is That 👍🏽

[@vehcor]

Lisle available in my Amazon store.

[@colla555]

18:46 you could do a workout with the afternoon crew. Or even better an Eric Prydz-style workout tutorial video 😂😉 (kidding around)

[@vehcor]

I tried to get her to start her own channel for exactly that. She was not interested.

[@bobbymcbulge18]

Nice work as always!

[@Biglug8888]

Another ok boring build Friday video. Always look forward to them. BTW, is this your day job? If not what is?

[@vehcor]

Thanks, this is a hobby. I am a mechanic in real life.

[@Biglug8888]

Must be GM mechanic because you have a sense of humor. Ford techs don’t. Lol

[@guyazbell7437]

Startin to luv dis guy

[@Paulster2]

On the A-Pillar trim ... how long would it have taken you to go to the Ford dealer to get the trim? I bet longer than it was to struggle with it to get to the hinges. Sounds like a net win to me.

[@vehcor]

Actually, those are available next day, they stock them because you need to replace them every time you do a windshield. 🤦‍♂️ You are right though, even if they were free I wouldn’t have wanted to wait when I can work around them in a matter of minutes.

[@Vern.Anderson]

It's nice to be reminded why I like GM. The engineering is better and more thought out. It's like they think of the end user or the mechanic or something.

[@vehcor]

I very much agree.

[@samsquires2877]

Great video 👍.

[@vehcor]

Thanks!

[@andyshupe7248]

Several Boring Build Fridays ago you showcased a OBDII code scanner. I need one now that somehow I lost mine, but for the life of me I can't find where you listed the make model of it. Can you point me in the right direction? Much love from Arkansas, where even Fords don't rust. Well not that much, at least.

[@jamespittsfordiii7632]

Do Ford vehicles have more parts or does it just seem that way. The prices of the parts are just outside the realm of believability

[@bigpjohnson]

I've usually found Fords to have more parts or be more complicated than their GM competitors. For the longest time, GMs were so much simpler in so many ways. They still are in terms of the trucks sticking to pushrods instead of complicated DOHC setups. Ford wiring harnesses also tended to splay out all over while GM and others made them more streamlined and simple.

[@195519561957]

Where do you go to learn how to take all of these vehicles apart ?

[@vehcor]

To the shop. Taking them apart is easy and really takes very little skill. The real work starts in the structural parts of the car. For that I have plenty of ICAR training. It is why you don't see me making the same mistake other "rebuilders" do. I would probably do the same if the people smarter than me had not shown me the correct way and why.

[@kikeft85]

How is the mustang project looking, any updates soon, now Vtuned is also building a resto mod, knowing from previous coments you seem to really like his work, it would be great to see a build off see who comes out with a better car and better quality work

[@shazerash872]

Love it!!! When’s the bidding for this exploder ? I need to bid on this?

[@vehcor]

No bidding on this one. When it is done I will post the price and the first person with the money drives it home. If you miss out, I do have more parts so I can build another one (and probably will). Thanks for the support!

[@shazerash872]

vehcor when do you reveal the price ?

[@717weston]

Ya like general toes never uses glue or foam

[@vehcor]

You should watch my old videos where I make fun of them too.