Reciting Homer's Iliad from Memory: The

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

If you want to learn to read and speak Latin, Ancient Greek, Biblical Hebrew, or Old English in fun, immersive classes, sign up for lessons by August 10th for the fall semester at AncientLanguage.com 🏺📖 I memorized Homer's Iliad Book I lines 1-100 in 100 days. But can I prove it? In this video, I attempt to recite all 100 lines from memory. Will I succeed? Learn about the Kephalos Method to Homer, and how helpful it is to approaching epic literature. JOIN THE CHALLENGE! You too can memorize the first 100 lines of the Iliad, with my audiobook Iliad 100: luke-ranieri.myshopify.com/collections/frontpage/products/iliad-100-homers-iliad-book-1-lines-1-100 ⚔ 🦂 Support my work on Patreon: www.patreon.com/LukeRanieri 📚 Luke Ranieri Audiobooks: luke-ranieri.myshopify.com 🤠 Take my course LATIN UNCOVERED on StoryLearning, including my original Latin adventure novella "Vir Petasātus" learn.storylearning.com/lu-promo?affiliate_id=3932873 🦂 Sign up for my Latin Pronunciation & Conversation series on Patreon: www.patreon.com/posts/54058196 ☕ Support my work with PayPal: paypal.me/lukeranieri And if you like, do consider joining this channel: kzbin.info/door/Lbiwlm3poGNh5XSVlXBkGAjoin 🏛 Latin by the Ranieri-Dowling Method: luke-ranieri.myshopify.com/collections/frontpage/products/latin-by-the-ranieri-dowling-method-latin-summary-of-forms-of-nouns-verbs-adjectives-pronouns-audio-grammar-tables 🏺Ancient Greek by the Ranieri-Dowling Method: luke-ranieri.myshopify.com/collections/frontpage/products/ancient-greek-by-the-ranieri-dowling-method-latin-summary-of-forms-of-nouns-verbs-adjectives-pronouns-audio-grammar-tables 🏛 Ancient Greek in Action · Free Greek Lessons: kzbin.info/aero/PLU1WuLg45SixsonRdfNNv-CPNq8xUwgam 👨‍🏫 My Lingua Latina Per Se Illustrata playlist · Free Latin Lessons: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oGjLlWpvbq6tpLc 🦂 ScorpioMartianus (my channel for content in Latin, Ancient Greek, & Ancient Egyptian) kzbin.info 🎙 Hundreds of hours of Latin & Greek audio: lukeranieri.com/audio 🌍 polýMATHY website: lukeranieri.com/polymathy/ 🌅 polýMATHY on Instagram: instagram.com/lukeranieri/ 🦁 Legio XIII Latin Language Podcast: kzbin.info 👕 Merch: teespring.com/stores/scorpiomartianus 🦂 www.ScorpioMartianus.com 🦅 www.LukeRanieri.com 📖 My book Ranieri Reverse Recall on Amazon: amzn.to/2nVUfqd Intro and outro music: Overture of Die Zauberflöte (The Magic Flute) by Mozart 0:00 Intro to the Kephalos Challenge 2:46 What is the Kephalos Method to Homer? 3:32 Iliad 100 audiobook 4:09 Scoring and Points for the Kephalos Challenge 7:26 The Challenge BEGINS 9:15 Section I, vv.1-7 10:10 Section II, vv.8-16 11:34 Section III, vv.17-21 12:17 Section IV, vv.22-25 12:50 Section V, vv.26-32 14:21 Section VI, vv.33-36 15:00 Section VII, vv.37-42 16:10 Section VIII, vv.43-52 19:20 Section IX, vv.53-58 20:46 Section X, vv.59-67 22:23 Section XI, vv.68-73 23:34 Section XII, vv.74-83 25:13 Section XIII, vv.84-91 26:38 Section XIV, vv.92-100 27:59 Final Score 30:13 Why the Kephalos Method is Effective 36:29 Q&A! 36:48 Do you understand the first 100 lines now? 38:23 Will you do this for other epic poetry? 39:07 How will you keep from forgetting vv.1-100 after today? 41:47 Why did you take the Kephalos Challenge? 43:26 What mnemonic devices did you use? 49:19 Is the Aeneid 100 coming soon? 49:31 Did the experience improve your pronunciation? 54:36 What benefits do we get from emulating ancient memorization pedagogy? 56:20 Would you approach v.101 differently from how you approached v.1?

[@gabor6259]

Kalispéra! 😀 What does _atreides_ mean?

[@AthrihosPithekos]

@@gabor6259 Descendant of Atreus.

[@TP-om8of]

He closed his eyes so he’d look more like Homer.

[@samspade2657]

In India Brahmanas still memorise the Vedas. I was once visiting some friends in S India and asked one to recite Sama Veda, he demurred, just then the next-door neighbor visited. He was a gold medalist in Sama Veda. When I asked him to recite he just started and went on for more than 20 minutes before he had to go. He was in his 70s. They still have schools (Vedapathasalas) where young boys go to memorize one or more Vedas. I also know several people who have memorized the entire Bhagavad-gita (700 verses).

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

Well said! Yes, it shows how possible such feats are, and how important they are to transmitting culture.

[@samspade2657]

@@polyMATHY_Luke If you are interested here is more info. The Tradition of Vedic Chanting kzbin.info/www/bejne/p4HGkqajo5WWiLc "Purusha Suktam" is found in all the Vedas kzbin.info/www/bejne/eKOreIp8oZmKsJY Even more kzbin.info/www/bejne/ooiYiHWvmNmDqdk

[@faryafaraji]

Amazing job Luke, I've been following your daily updates and this was a blast to watch come into fruition! Interestingly enough, for the point at 35:18, many in the field of historical music studies argue that this is exactly what the rhapsodes would have done; select a very limited range of three to four notes, and repeatedly sing those. It's the method the esteemed Stefan Hagel used to argue for in the early 2000's, and that Silvio Zinsstag also uses in his rendition. The argument from that school is that many forms of epic poetry to this day are recited like this, an example being Serbian guslars, who use the same repetition of three to four notes maximum. It's definitely also a possibility that some very advanced rhapsodes would have improvised entire pieces of music in an elaborate manner, but all in all, your approach is historical in the view of many scholars!

[@personifiedmarvel]

There is also a Russian tradition of Bylina. These are folk half-songs half-poems, sung/recited using a local kind psaltery (called gusli). And we have traditional recordings as well as modern reinterpretations. And these were also like this: with simple melodies, not too many notes. They could be very long. It's a very interesting subject because nobody knows when this tradition began (it can be very old), and the characters that appear in them can be from 1000 years ago.

[@zdzislawmeglicki2262]

We were made to memorize the first 100 lines of Ovid's Metamorphoses, also the first paragraph of Caesar's De Bello Gallico. Today, decades later, I wish they would have made us memorize more.

[@User-jr7vf]

How much out of the 100 lines can you recite today?

[@TP-om8of]

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[@faramund9865]

You were made, by whom?

[@zdzislawmeglicki2262]

@@faramund9865 By a lady who taught us Latin.

[@zdzislawmeglicki2262]

​@@User-jr7vf All of it. It's carved in my memory. Nondum caesa suis, peregrinum ut viseret orbem, montibus in liquidas pinus descenderat undas, nullaque mortales praeter sua litora norant… I can recite this in my sleep.

[@jonaszswietomierz8017]

This is the nerdiest flex ever and I think it's absolutely awesome

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

💪

[@Justin-wj4yc]

homer isn't nerdy lmao

[@757History]

reminds me of highschool having to memorize the gettysburg address and the preamble to the u.s. constitution, but this is a whole nother level of rigor! rly appreciate the content sir luke thank you!

[@nikthetrickster9948]

This is my type of nerding, I love this

[@the_unforseen8224]

Very impressive dude. Also I love how ecstatic you were to go to the gazebo lol

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

Hahah. After 100 days, I was ready to get it over with! It felt like taking an exam

[@pile333]

Oh, very hard memory challenge. Congrats.

[@antoniobarbalau1107]

This is beyond amazing ❤ Thank you for who you are and thank you for keeping this tradition alive ❤

[@ignotumperignotius630]

Simply inspirational

[@faramund9865]

I do this with Norse poetry. Since it’s literally made to be remembered through generations, it makes it a lot easier. And indeed for a lot of lines I don’t actually know what it says completely. But it stays in my head. Especially (please don’t mind the spelling): Ek man iotna ár um borna Þá er forðum mik fœdda höfðu. Niu man ek heima niu iviðjur Miotvið mœran fyr mold neðan Ár var alda… etc

[@j.2047]

Love the reconstructed pronounciation. You can use a staff to mark the rhythm with the constant beats as well.

[@Hamiltonianmcmc]

THAT'S (parasocially) MY BOY!

[@matthewtopping2061]

The Mario sound effects make this really fun

[@Eden-xj9yj]

Wow! I speak Hebrew as a native language and wanted to practice my Biblical pronunciation. You've inspired me to think about memorizing some of the book of Psalms as practice now.

[@RiccardoRadici]

Congratulations, Luke! I've fallen back and I've memorized just 2/3 of the lines by now. By the way, a dozen years ago I memorized the whole first chant of Dante's Commedia, and I found that much easier (it took only some afternoons): I don't know what's the main reason: 1) The Commedia is written in (an archaic version of) my native language 2) Dante's "rima incatenata" is magic for memorization 3) I've become older. If I had to guess, I would say "rima incatenata" is the main bonus. If you are going to memorize those lines in the near future, you could solve the mystery (since you would neither be older nor using your native language)! 😉 For your knowledge, I can recite that chant even today with no particular difficulty, as if I had learnt it yesterday (and I recite it only once or twice a year, usually for my own pleasure: I like it very much).

[@ACCPhil]

You're right about songs. I mean I don't speak ancient languages at all but I can remember large parts of the words of Carmina Burana - which is in Latin and Middle High German. Also all the lyrics to all the Half Man Half Biscuit songs

[@Enhancedlies]

please PLEASE keep this going 10/10

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

I will! In what way would you like to see this continue?

[@evenaskeladden]

That was impressive! I thought about doing this challenge, but I started a bit late (on day 30-something), and I think I kind of gave up at line 16. I guess it would be easier if I actually knew Ancient Greek, though. I’ll attempt it again after I’ve learnt the language. Anyway, congrats man! 🎉

[@TheNightEyes]

Congratulations Luke!

[@Cyclonus2377]

Καλή δουλειά! Συγχαρητήρια! Bonus labor! Macte! Good job! Congratulations! 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉

[@marcmonnerat4850]

Impressive. I know/knew the first few dozen verses of the _Odysseia_ by heart (I have to check), but I'll definitely check your method 🙂

[@krupam0]

I sort of did that with the first seven lines of the Aeneid, memorized them in a few days almost by accident even before I started properly learning Latin. Mostly wanted to get used to the rhythm and syllable length. Sort of worked, but it seems I still tend to screw up hidden quantities in pronunciation.

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

You can perfect that later. Great work!

[@carlinberg]

Big congratulations! This was really awesome, and great q&a at the end. I'm looking forward a lot to see the other epics too!

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

Χάριν σοι!

[@shinzon0]

The onion for the digamma LOOL ingenious :D Now I always have to think about digamma when I eat Gyros :D

[@mariarossi9120]

Sei fortissimo! Bravo Luke! 😅

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

Grazie, Maria!

[@danielkover7157]

Congratulations, you did it! 👏 🎉

[@elgastidela7665]

absolute beast

[@AS-np3yq]

Read the book of Schliemann. He found Troja. He actually knew the old hymns and told it in original language to the villagers when he looked for Ulysses house on Kephalos.

[@BrandonBoardman]

0:20 Thank you for featuring one of my videos. 43:26 As for the mnemonic devices, I used a musical system inspired by Ancient Greek music theory. The first vowel or diphthong of each linw determined the recitation notes (α/αι on B or E, ε/ει/η/ι on C, ο/οι/ου/ω/υ on D). The accented vowels are always at most a perfect 4th higher than the recitation notes and the grave accents are just a semitone higher.

[@caraboska]

Ooh, do you have any links to good resources for Ancient Greek music theory? And how did you choose between B and E, when that choice had to be made?

[@BrandonBoardman]

​@@caraboska I wanted to make a smooth overall progression in order to make the lines easier to memorize. Stefan Hagel has some great info on ancient Greek music theory online.

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

Hi Brandon! Thanks for being such an inspiration to ME! You heroically memorized every line with incredible skill. I like your mnemonic scheme!

[@BrandonBoardman]

@@polyMATHY_Luke Thank you so much! Χάριν σοι ἔχω!

[@irenelapreziosa]

Bravissimo!!!👏 🎉

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

❤️❤️❤️

[@JohnFallot]

I can still do 1-7 from memorizing way back in 2008, metered lines really have a way of sticking with you!

[@DocSloansScienceFictionStation]

Excellent!

[@PedroMachadoPT]

Congratulations!

[@KaruMedve]

Plot twist: he had 50 lines tattooed under each eyelid, so he was reading his inner eyelid while it looks like he closed his eyes (^_^)

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

Haha

[@pepelexa5950]

Epic, very nice

[@nngnnadas]

I school in Israel we learned the elegy of David for Saul and Jonathan by heart, but that's just 9 verses. Also nobody talkes about authentic pronounciation.

[@pawel198812]

Are there any reliable sources for reconstructing pre-Masoretic Hebrew pronunciations?

[@DeniseSkidmore]

Psalm 23 was common to commit to memory in my sect.

[@writershootsfilm]

Great job, Luke. I think I'll speed run 100 lines before grad school in 25 days (8/21/2024). I'm already cheating because I did know the first 12 lines at one point and read the first book at uni. :D Liked & subbed.

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

Great!

[@Makaneek5060]

I've been writing a paraphrase of Zoroaster's Gathas based on L.H. Mills English translation, its only about 230 lines, maybe I'll polish it more and try with that one day.

[@obonyxiam]

Optime, Luci!

[@Sivain0v0]

Everyone misses the point that the author of this channel has a perfectly fine English)

[@trinity_null]

he's said he uses affectations in his videos that he doesn't when chatting, for clarity

[@alessandrorossi1294]

His English is impressive for a native Latin speaker

[@Sivain0v0]

@@alessandrorossi1294 🍧

[@TheSistersGamers234]

I want to learn it, too.

[@evereststevens5408]

Very good. Now memorize the entire rig veda

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

One day

[@greenockscatman]

I find if funny that both you and that bearded dude in the viral video stumbled in the line with Χρύσην. Seems like a toughie, that one.

[@DoctorKalkyl]

Impressive, very nice.

[@Max.Wiggins]

Thanks. L' ho fatto 25 anni fa. Mihi das opportunitatem ad repetitorium.

[@disguysaysda4708]

very good! and suspensful! the music added a bit to it

[@jobarin1994]

The Aeneid next! ❤

[@thethoughtfield]

I never heard of this method. in 1984 at school I memorized a whole chapter of a philosophy book, I could recite the whole thing, it was amazing. Now I don´t remember a single word of it, let alone a phrase (sadly).

[@Nach956]

I like how you sing it bro: Sanskrit-verses likewise chanted. Did you yourself come up with that? Or is it something already proposed, that the chanting might have been like that of the vedas?

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

I discuss this in both videos, and in the audiobook; in short, it's something I knew was done for epics in Greek and Sanskrit and other languages, but the simplified way I did it here is my invention, of a sort.

[@christopherbartley6400]

Best guess: When was the last time ANYONE recited the first 100 lines, in Ancient Greek, from memory?

[@christopherbartley6400]

Doh! Probably Kephalos 🤦‍♂️

[@xiuhcoatl4830]

Since Homer lol

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

Definitely Kephalos himself, and a few of those who have done the Kephalos Challenge! Check Pernox on KZbin and @proquelitismo on IG, who both completed the challenge before I did!

[@user-kv7de7so5b]

Αιεν αριστεύειν και υπείροχον έμμεναι άλλων; Greetings from Germany.

[@Max.Wiggins]

Grueze!

[@nicolasaivaliotis6574]

«Ου παντός πλειν ες Κόρινθο»

[@pavfot4835]

R E S P E C T !!!!!!

[@jakubolszewski8284]

10:29 Vv. 8-16, 3: This laoi i realle pronounced something like [la'wi:], of course with this accented syllable made higher?

[@kurtrosenthal6313]

More epic poetry for the list could be the Kalevala and the Mahabharata.

[@stevenschilizzi4104]

Many Muslims who learn by heart the Qur’an likewise learn it with an accompanying melopeia, the kind of chant used by the clerics when reading passages. In ancient times the great texts that were learnt by heart were often accompanied by the lyre or some other instrument, depending on the local culture. One comment on this specific recitation: I wonder if the ancient Greeks would have stopped at the end of each verse. Wouldn’t they have rather made a pause after the end of a clause, for example only after ουλομένην?

[@electra1920]

Υπερβολικά δύσκολο!!! Τι να πω... Συγχαρητήρια!!!

[@electra1920]

​@@jerkerMAN-nf3nsόχι, εγώ δεν μπορώ να το κάνω, δεν έχω καλή μνήμη, ούτε μνήμη θα έλεγα... Αυτός ναι, είναι φαινόμενο... Χρειάζεται ή όχι, δεν έχει νόημα.... Λίγοι μπορούν να το κάνουν... Ο Roberto begnini θυμάται την divina commedia.... Αυτά τα άτομα είναι φαινόμενα....

[@VitorDeAraujo]

That's really impressive! Congratulations! I've been following your shorts and I was wondering how hard would it be to remember all the lines in the correct order, even if one memorized all the lines individually. Amazing work! This recitation method of assigning a note to each accent and using the natural pitch and duration of the syllables as a melody reminds me of some types of Vedic chanting (as you can see for example in kzbin.info/www/bejne/jIGbiKlnhZaBfKc). Vedic Sanskrit has a pitch accent system very much like Ancient Greek (both presumably being derived from the PIE system), and a method very much like this was (and is) used to recite Vedic hymns. These texts have been memorized and passed down orally for centuries (arguably over two millenia in the case of the oldest texts) before being written down, using a variety of memorization techniques, but the pitch-based chanting definitely was part of it. (They also used techniques such as memorizing the words of each line in different orders and repetition patterns.)

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

Yes, it is very akin to the Vedic chanting!

[@peterfireflylund]

Vreden, gudinde, besyng, som greb peleiden Akilleus!

[@Thedeepseanomad]

Norwegian or Danish?

[@JacquesMare]

Norse? Swedish?

[@peterfireflylund]

@@JacquesMare Danish. Chr. Wilster’s translation from 1836. The original is slightly different: nouns used to be capitalized in Danish + his punctuation was a bit unusual. It’s the version we read in high school in the late 80’s. I remember the opening line because I felt the language was tortured… I didn’t know back then that the whole point was to get “vreden” (menin) to be the very first word. Otto Sten Due’s translation from 1999 is much better Danish (but he doesn’t put “vreden” first).

[@Thedeepseanomad]

@@peterfireflylund I still remember the First lines we learned in School Sjung, o gudinna, om vreden, som brann hos Peliden Akhilleus. Olycksdiger, till tusende kval för akhajernas söner."

[@peterbrown3004]

Oh, how very Vedic does it all sound,, like some ancient and ongoing chant to a primordial hindu goddess .

[@NotLegitMatt]

How did bards memorize the entire poems? They must have had really an outstanding memory.

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

Yes, I realized that, if I memorize one line a day, I could memorize the entire Iliad in 42 years haha.

[@davidweihe6052]

It helps that they never learned to read, or they never took Thoth’s Pill. Reading ruins your innate ability to memorize texts, because it is unnecessary.

[@j.burgess4459]

I understand that Islamic scholars memorise large sections of the Quran in this way? I think some of them may even learn the entire text? I make no comment about the religious or political aspect, but it does at least show that people can learn by heart and commit to memory large amounts of text.

[@Nehauon]

They say it isn’t singing, but they basically sing the quran, and it definitely helps with memorization

[@anthonybennett4868]

Euge!

[@brucetepke8150]

Why do you have a grave on thea in line 1? 2/3 of the printed sources I have access to use an acute and I think you also dis on your day 1 video.

[@StrategicGamesEtc]

I'm tempted to do the first 99 lines of Antigone (Antigone's initial argument with Ismene trying to convince her to join her in burying Polynices). I tried setting the last two lines (working backwards) to music (heptatonic 3-limit JI tuning), but I'm bad at composing, lol. It doesn't sound awful, though. No worse than the system Ranieri used for assigning notes to the morae, I think, and maybe I'll get better if I continue with the rest

[@StrategicGamesEtc]

Maybe I should do some research on 3-limit JI tunings and scales and see if that can give more direction. Right now it's more or less 2 1 2 2 2 1 2, which feels pretty boring tbh

[@StrategicGamesEtc]

If I do this, I'm going to try and see if using letter pairs to remember the first letter of each word in each line is helpful. I'm only going to make a letter pair if I can think of a good Ancient Greek word for it without searching a dictionary for it (I can check the dictionary to remember the definition, but it needs to be a word I thought of, not some new word I haven't encountered before), and I'll not bother trying too hard to make the images stick unless I get a line where I have letter pairs for all the initial letters, in which case I'll give it a go and see if it helps

[@StrategicGamesEtc]

I've been reading up on Ancient Greek Musical Theory today (Wikipedia, the proposal to the UTF regarding the Ancient Greek Musical Symbols block, some KZbin videos...), and suffice it to say I'm definitely changing a lot of my assumptions going forward. I'm keeping the cliffnotes of what I've learned in an asciidoc file so I can reference once I get through the tabs of info I have opened and go back to Antigone

[@ramosel]

Well done... I'm so glad I didn't have to sing NATOPS.

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

Hahaha

[@stefanodadamo6809]

I've always been frankly incapable of memorising poetry, or any precise text longer than a couple phrases. Couldn't if my life depended on it.

[@faramund9865]

Are there mythical Roman poems that I can use to learn Latin?

[@carlinberg]

The Aeneid of course! 😊

[@williambranch4283]

I managed 10 lines ;-) You were missing contrasting lyre interludes ;-))

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

I have a bit of that in the original video on ScorpioMartianus.

[@Janika-xj2bv]

Epic

[@stephanemercier1144]

Io sophos! Similiter feci, provocationem te sequens in diem, sed memoria mea adhuc (multum) exercenda: hunc versum deinde hunc alium omnino obliviscor, deinde per inane, ut ita dicam, maneo nesciens quid dicturus sim… Sed satis de me: euge euge, tu fecisiti optime!

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

Grātiās tibi agō!

[@IsabelleHulme-v6d]

I got logged out of my account so now I have two channels

[@j.burgess4459]

BTW there is one thing I haven't been able to figure out: the third line in the fourth section ends with the word "θυμῷι". But every online text of the Illiad that I can find has the word "θυμῷ" in this position. I feel this can't possibly be a mistake. So is Luke using another version of the text?

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

Hi there, great question: these are called long diphthongs, conventionally spelled ᾳ ῃ ῳ in most modern texts, being a Mediaeval Greek orthographic convention, which can alternatively be written ᾱι ηι ωι; the two conventions for the second element are called “iota-subscripts and iota adscripts” respectively. Starting around the 1cBC, the iota element of the long diphthongs tended to go unpronounced, and thus their being written became grammatically conventional only. Writing them as subscripts is a convention that suggests they are silent, while writing them as adscripts recalls their distinct pronunciation in Classical Attic, which is the sound system I use here.

[@j.burgess4459]

@@polyMATHY_Luke Thanks! (I've said it before, but I really love your recordings. Especially when it comes to Ancient Greek there are so few audio recordings. Yours are really excellent, IMHO.)

[@caraboska]

Congratulations!🎉 And thanks for the heads-up about the need to learn Ancient Greek in order to properly understand Latin. I managed to teach myself to read Koine some years ago, basically by cruising through Teach Yourself New Testament Greek in one day, without memorizing the details of paradigms etc., in order to understand the logic of the language, and then reading a chapter a day of the New Testament in an interlinear version. By the time I was done, I didn't need the interlinear anymore. However, I now have a bit of a mystery on my hands. It appears that they used a somewhat obscure pronunciation in Teach Yourself New Testament Greek. It's definitely not Modern Greek, and it's definitely not the Attic Greek pronunciation you are using here. But beyond that? I can't place it. Here are the main points that I remember off the top of my head: - Χ and θ are not aspirated, but rather pronounced as in Modern Greek - τ and β are pronounced t and b, not d and v - ε is pronounced as an open e; η is pronounced as a closed e - ο is pronounced as an open o; ω is pronounced as a closed o - diphthongs are pronounced phonetically, without any alteration of the vowels - the little hooks that can appear under η and ω are pronounced, yielding a result of, respectively, ηι and ωι. So my question to you would be: what kind of pronunciation is that? How idiosyncratic is it compared to other Koine pronunciations with which you are familiar?

[@13tuyuti]

That sounds like what Luke would call some sort of Lucian, or Loukian pronunciation. Not after Luke but after the 2nd century AD writer Loukianos AKA Lucian. Luke has a video of several different types of Lucian pronunciation, as found in different areas of Greece and the near east in different periods of the second and early third century. Those variants are quite speculative and based on the type of spelling mistakes found in inscriptions, papyri and graffiti. In short I would say the variant recommended by your teaching method is generally accepted as a fair speculation on how second century AD koine could have sounded.

[@caraboska]

@@13tuyuti thank you for this info. I'm glad to hear it isn't too far outside the mainstream 😊

[@eubutuoy]

Your phonetics are similar to Balkan languages especially to the Serbo-Croatian language.

[@tiagoSS90]

there are way too many brasilian in this course. there's a João and Breno. any Silva?

[@ktkatte6791]

That's awesome, but now recite Wrath Goddess Sing from memory

[@primar2222]

ciao Luca vale sempre il modo di dire”learn by heart”?

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

Sì! È un bel sinonimo per imparare a memoria, memorizzare, ecc.

[@Vagabund92]

Are the lines set/normed or are they different from print to print?

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

The lines have been established in a standard format for a couple thousand years: www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus:text:1999.01.0133

[@personifiedmarvel]

The most important question was not asked... Did it help you understand better the rest of the book?

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

It did!

[@chakravartinelohim1527]

My favourite bald body

[@eugeniakatsafadou331]

Why did you choose to pronounce υ as /y/ and not /u/?

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

I used the Classical Attic Pronunciation, since the text we have is highly Atticized. If you wanted to pronounce the text in an archaic Ionic phonology, you would necessarily have to change the text radically in spelling. I explain in the Q&A of this video. More here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/moKloaqBjNONd9Esi=p30kC0ajuU9ppGc7

[@eugeniakatsafadou331]

@@polyMATHY_Luke Oh, so if you pronounced υ as /u/ without doing all the other changes it would be anachronistic.

[@VitriolicThunder]

Is that your own translation of the text?

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

No, it’s the translation from Perseus, the website

[@ariebrons7976]

Could someone please help me with this excersize found in Athenaze? Thanks in advance " Η δε δεσποινα, "μη φλυαρει" φησιν· "Ου καιρος εστιν ησυχαζειν. Ουδεν γαρ υδωρ εστιν εν τη ϝοικια, εγω δε μελλω ϝοικαδε σπευδειν και δειπνον παρασκευναζειν τω δεσποτη Σπευδε ουν." Η δε Μυρρρινη, "μη χαλεπη ισθι, ω ϕαιδρα", φησιν· "Καμνει γαρ η δουλη, 'ο γαρ 'ηλιος φλεγει και κατατριβει αυτην. *Αρ αγνοες οτι πολλαι τε δουλαι και πολλοι δουλοι καμνουσιν, οτε φλεγει 'ο 'ηλιος, και ουκ εθελουσι πονειν;* Εα ουν αυτην ησυχαζειν ολιγον χρονον εν τη σκια. " " " And the mistress says: "no nonsense it is not right to complain. For there is no water in the house, I have to run home and prepare supper for the master. So be quick. " And Murrinae says: "don't be so hard (on him),oh Phaidra For the slave is tired, (because) the sun fells him and tires him out. *Or don't you know that many slaves get verry tired,because of sunburn? and not because they don't want to work? That's because they labour (for) long hours under the sun* " "

[@BrandonBoardman]

Ἡ δὲ δέσποινα "Μή φλυᾱ́ρει" φησίν, "οὺ καιρὸς εστὶν τὸ ησυχάζειν. Ουδὲν γὰρ ὕδωρ εστὶν εν τῇ οικίᾳ, εγὼ δὲ μέλλω οἴκαδε σπεύδειν καὶ δεῖπνον παρασκευάζειν τὸν δεσπότην. Σπεῦδε οὖν!" Ἣ δὲ Μυρῥίνη "Μή χαλέπη ίσθι, ῶ Φαῖδρα," φησίν, "κάμνει γὰρ ἣ δούλη, ὃ γὰρ ἥλιος φλέγει καὶ κατατρῑ́βει ἀυτήν. Άρ’ ἄγνοες ὅτι πολλαί δοῦλαι καὶ πολλοί δοῦλοι κάμνουσιν, ὅτε φλέγει ὃ ἥλιος, καὶ οὐκ εθελουσὶ πονεῖν;" Εᾶ οὖν ἡσυχάζουσιν ολίγον χρόνον ἐν τῇ σκίᾳ.

[@ariebrons7976]

@@BrandonBoardman Ευχαριστω, αλλα ουκ επισταμαι; Σοι γραφειτε τον ειδων τεξτ και μεταγραψε την διακριτικα. Τινες εφης μεταφρασσε εμου καλως;

[@BrandonBoardman]

@@ariebrons7976 Here is a more accurate translation: The mistress says "No nonsense; it is not the right time to relax because there is no water at home. I have to run home and prepare supper for the master, so hurry up!" Myrrhine says, "Don't be so hard on her, Phaedra. The slave is tired because the sun is burning and setting on her. Do you know that many slaves get tired and don't want to work because of sunburn? And so, she has to relax for some time in the shade."

[@ariebrons7976]

@@BrandonBoardman Have a like. And if you have any trouble with Hebrew, don't hesitate asking me.

[@jakubolszewski8284]

3:14 Why there is a weed tree behind You? Hahae.

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

No weed trees here, only Japanese maple, birch, sycamore, and bamboo.

[@jakubolszewski8284]

@@polyMATHY_Luke Ok so it's sycamore, but I am blind now hahahahae.

[@p.thap.-qk3qm]

Ξέρεις πώς μαθαίναμε από Μίκα παιδιά Μας λέγανε τήν ιστορία πολλές φορές και στο τέλος τήν μαθαίναμε και τήν λέγαμε στήν επόμενη γενιά

[@piecaruso97]

that's for the noobs, the real pros knows the whole "De bello gallico" from memory

[@BrandonBoardman]

Che ridere! 😂😂😂😂😂😂 Non esattamente. La poesia greca omerica è più difficile da memorizzare rispetto alla poesia latina.

[@atlantic_love]

Now do it without singing.

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

Nah, singing it is the point.

[@StockyScoresRaoraPantheraFC]

What next? The Odyssey or the Aeneid?

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

It will be one or the other! Or another epic.