Record Cleaning Machines vs Hand Cleaning Vinyl

Record cleaning machines can undoubtedly improve your vinyl cleaning workflow, but do you REALLY need a record cleaning machine? After all, they are quite expensive!
Is it possible to get great results cleaning vinyl records by hand?
What are the pros and cons of using a record cleaning machine (such as a vacuum record cleaner or an ultrasonic record cleaning machine) vs good old manual methods?
Join us in this video, where we discuss record cleaning machines vs hand cleaning, comparing each method and discussing the pros and cons.
By the end of the video, you'll have a better idea of whether or not an expensive record cleaning machine is a good investment for you based on your record-collecting habits.
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[@soundmatters]

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[@SimonPearce69]

I bought the Pro-Ject VC-E and I'm delighted with it. Old records; new records - they all get a clean. The expense is justified as I can buy vintage vinyl safe in the knowledge that I can clean it up to (almost) as good as new - if I get the record I want from the bargain crate for a tenner and clean it, then I've saved myself twenty.

[@soundmatters]

Great stuff. I'm glad it's working well. Enjoy the music

[@ThresholdZhor]

After repairing the best record cleaning machine the Audio Desk Systeme Glass all I can say is that I would have to buy one because it simply put the disc to sound at the best possible way, fenomenal, I see you forgot to put it here and you should

[@brucelunde7804]

I purchased a Pro-Ject vc-e this last year and started working on some old favorite lps. My goodness, this was a revelation on some of my elderly records. My system now is so much better than back then and the investment is a pretty good cartridge certainly helps. The cleaning machine really improves the sound and eliminates so much of the pops and clicks. These old albums now really sing! One thing though about some 60's and 70's albums is that some of the music is unlistenably bad to our ears. Ah well, there is so much that still inspires. Happy listening all.

[@keithfallon-norris9570]

i have a VC-E and i totally agree with your assessment.

[@onecookieboy]

I have used and abused records for the last forty+ years and I wash them with dishwashing liquid and warm water, in the kitchen sink, gently wiping the surface with a soft cloth, then a rinse with warm water and put them in a dish rack to dry. Believe me or not, but the records never suffered any damage and still played perfectly. Cleaning them this way also reduced static charge and, IMHO, hardened the record, possibly because it dried out the oils in the vinyl which made them harder to scratch and helped stop them from warping.

[@knockshinnoch1950]

I'm 62. I began collecting music back in 1971. I was lucky, dad is an audiophile who instilled in me how to respect and care for equipment and records- taking pride in maintaining everything to the highest standards. One of the best pieces of advice? DON'T BORROW OR LEND RECORDS TO ANYONE ELSE!! I embraced the new technologies and developments as they arrived- CDs in the mid 80s and Mini Disc in the mid 90s. I stopped buying vinyl around 1988 but nothing would make me part with my vinyl collection- I was emotionally attached to each and every record. I eventually stopped playing vinyl around 1990 and finally sold my turntable around 1995. All of my vinyl was carefully stored in the attic. I retired in 2021 and decided to upgrade my kit to my "end of the road Nirvana set up" I decided to add a turntable after all these years in order to dig out the old vinyl every now and again as I had so much time now on my hands. The Vinyl revolution had piqued my interest. I wasn't going to spend a fortune as the turntable was an "extra`' rather than my main kit. I settled on a good Technics record player. While researching products I was gobsmacked to see the number of folks online who were sharing their knowledge and expertise on vinyl. My teeth were set on edge at some of the bonkers methods and various snake oil charlatans online. Slathering records with PVA wood glue, WD 40, washing Up liquid and melting warped discs in a conventional oven. Where did all these nutcases spring from? Then I was introduced to these amazing contraptions that would suck my record clean, bombard them with air bubbles- all for only a few thousand quid. THE WORLD HAD GONE BONKERS. ANAUDIOPHILE/RECORD COLLECTOR AND HIS (MOSTLY) MONEY IS EASILY PARTED! I just couldn't understand the economics of buying a whole bundle of second hand records (this always puts my teeth on edge and I break out in hives)that look as if they've been stored in a barnyard and reversed over with a tractor and expect this $2000 wonder machine to restore the disc to pristine condition. NO NO NO! The Emperor has no clothes on folks! Then I was introduced to record clamps costing thousands of dollars. The world had indeed gone mad. Anyway I set up all of my new kit and fired up my new turntable and gave it a spin. I took out the vinyl- it was in great shape and guess what- this 40 year old record that had been stored in the attic for the past 28 years sounded fantastic. No need to spend thousands, just basic care and respect shown towards your records. Don't lend or borrow and avoid 2nd hand like the plague- far too risky- the guy before you may have used a rusty nail! But above all else, enjoy the music- whatever the gene and whatever the era and of course whatever the format. The turntable? After the novelty wore off, it rarely gets spun- it's too much trouble- labour intensive and time consuming...

[@soundmatters]

Great stuff. Thanks for the story! However you listen, enjoy the music, as you say.

[@audiotomb]

To expand your collection you will need to buy more old records Go to record stores you trust, record fairs and inspect religiously Or go to discogs Congratulations for being smart enough to always keep your vinyl pristine and for keeping it during the dark ages of cds

[@TERRYMism]

I am 68 and I have to agree with everything you mentioned regarding records. I never let anyone play my vinyl as not many understand the playing surface and how it should be treated. I have a small collection of 600 LPs & 500 45rpms. Have been collecting like yourself since the early 70s. The first rule in cleaning vinyl is never allow any chemical sprays and such to ever touch the vinyl surface, over time the chemicals will leach into the vinyl groove and permanently damage the playing surface. If people look after their vinyl collection there really should not be a need to clean them. Also, forget about paper inner sleeves, I use Mobile Fidelity inner plastic sleeves. LP records have always been an expensive buy, so why not look after the investment. Again I am with you on that score sir. Stay safe & go well.

[@knockshinnoch1950]

@@TERRYMism Agree 100% man. Look after your vinyl properly from the start and you do not need any expensive gadgets!

[@TERRYMism]

@@knockshinnoch1950 Yes I believe those gadgets are a complete rip-off, and I am glad others agree. Thank you again sir. Go well.

[@indieworks]

Good honest review. Always cleaned by hand from the 70's onwards with no problem using the right kit and still have the zerostat pistol if static creates a problem.

[@metalbearuk]

I've just purchased a plasma lighter for 5.99 UK pounds. Seems to do exactly what the expensive zerostat does, gets rid of static.

[@seeley363]

One of the most important things I’ve discovered is to ensure your house is at the proper humidity level, not too dry (I’m from Canada,not the UK). If it’s too dry, static becomes a major issue. If static isn’t an issue, keeping records playable is 1,000 times easier! Thanks for the great video. 😎

[@soundmatters]

Thanks for watching. Yep! Static is a real Issue in dry climates! Not so much in ye olde (damp) Blighty 😜. I lived just outside of Vancouver for a few years, but that was quite similar to the U.K., climate-wise. Out east: different story! 🎶🎧

[@leonardosullivan963]

I have used the Groovewasher fluid, and other similar products l found the results better than not cleaning. But l got to the point of reckoning with a large record collection it would cost to keep buying the fluid. Plus l had become aware of RCM’s Ultrasonic and vacuum by way of reading and watching various audiophile forums. So by researching I decided to buy a Loricraft PRC6i. For me a definite game changer.

[@blueriverlore]

I purchased the original Nitty Gritty washer/vacuum machine many years ago to clean my entire collection of about a thousand LP records from the 60s and 70s. I then placed each record in a static free sleeve and stored them after each use. If I need an occasional touch-up then I'll do a quick clean. Any new LP that comes in the house gets 'the treatment' before playing. They sound great and reduce wear and tear on the stylus. Good video.

[@soundmatters]

Great! Yes, I’d love to check out the Nitty Gritty. Enjoy the music and thanks for watching 🎶🎧

[@leespj]

I have had the project vc-s2 alu for almost a month now. Happy with the results so far. Brand new records I tend to do a quick clean on turntable prior to listening. All 2nd hand get the project treatment.

[@soundmatters]

It's a great machine. I do the same with new records, and all old ones through the Pro-Ject. Happy spinning

[@antonisxenos1053]

Very informative, thanks.

[@soundmatters]

Thanks for watching. Enjoy the music

[@jasondorey9620]

Thank you so much for this video. Really made the options clear for me. Some awesome tips to eradicate some bad habits I’ve picked up during my vinyl playing/collecting time too.

[@soundmatters]

Thanks for watching! Enjoy the music 🎶

[@jasondorey9620]

I’ve now bought a VC-E😊. There was a perspex flat T shaped piece in the box. Do you know what it’s for? What fluid do you recommend for cleaning and is it critical to use distilled water?

[@soundmatters]

@@jasondorey9620 - Ah, great! Hmmm, I don't think mine came with one of those. I'll check the accessories and let you know. I can't see what you'd need something like that for? It's a pretty simple device and early needs draining as the cleaning fluid just evaporates. I use GrooveWasher G2 for general and G3 for very dirty records. If you feel like supporting the channel, you can get 10% off at the website using the code SOUNDMATTERS10 (no extra cost to you): www.groovewasher.com/

[@soundmatters]

I found out what the tool is for: It's for helping you to replace the felt strips! According to Pro-Ject: "Remove the old strip from the vacuum arm and clean the residue of the glue. A transparent plastic tool is included with the strips in the accessory box, insert the tool fully into the groove and it will help you to place the new strip into its position on the arm."

[@jasondorey9620]

@@soundmatters thank you so much for checking this out for me👌

[@VinylPro]

cleaning is most important thing for now.... agree Sir !

[@greatmuta577]

I tried the manual Spin-clean, and I've got mixed results. Then i switched to pro-ject vc-e and the difference is huge. Personally, i recommend the vacuum cleaner.

[@soundmatters]

Good move 👍🎶🎧

[@peterrech2307]

Hi Marc, great video as per usual. One comment that I would make is that when you say to check the felt strips for wear regularly, I would also add that these felt strips be cleaned very regularly because grit can imbed itself into these felt pads and strips and thus scratching records. This applies to all vacuum machines, Groove washer/Discwasher type brushes and SpinClean type units. A toenail cleaning brush is perfect for getting the grit out of these pads and strips.

[@soundmatters]

Thanks Peter. Excellent point added. Those SpinClean brushes are fairly deep too if I recall, so very important indeed!

[@crushedcustard]

Very informative video and a great record in the background and on the deck being cleaned as well !

[@soundmatters]

Thanks for watching!

[@surf01er66]

Great information......Aloha

[@richardmorgan1588]

I purchased a VPI HW 16.5 new years ago. It was pricey then but the current models are at least $200 more! Mine has performed flawlessly all these years! Parts will break over time but they are easy to find, stupid easy to replace and fairly affordable. I also have the Groove Washer system as well as an old Disc Washer brush which doesn’t get used much (the newer system is just better). I use everything! Records sound amazing in our home!

[@pjcdrummer]

I just bought a used one but mine did not have a drain hose? I guess they expect the fluid to evaporate? I also mad a bigger clamp out of the same material the small clamp is made of. Which parts on yours broke? Thanks

[@richardmorgan1588]

@@pjcdrummer The clear plastic vacuum tube with the soft pad finally worked its way loose and broke where it inserts into the system. It just broke off there. Amazingly, I super glued it together until a replacement tube came and it held. Now it's a spare tube! I've seen replacement parts on Amazon!

[@jamon6875]

I use the Vinyl Vac system and find that it works very well for me. Less labor intensive than the manual cleaning you showed but more labor intensive than the Pro-Ject machine. Much less expensive than the Pro-Ject. My results have been outstanding, and if there is a particularly dirty record, I leave the cleaning fluid on longer. Ultimately though, I would like to have a machine like the Pro-Ject.

[@soundmatters]

Nice! Yea, I’ve heard good things about the Vinyl Vac as a compromise between the two! 🎶

[@mikewest1542]

I’ve used 4 ways of cleaning records , 1st method , I’ve been using for years is the hand washing Disco Antistat method , this is a great method if you can’t afford a RCM 6/10 as it can be quite a laboured method. 2nd method the Vinyl Vac, this was a disaster and I almost damaged a prized record , you need to a carpenter to properly set this up 2/10. 3rd Method was the Pro-next VCE machine , worked nicely for a couple of weeks but here’s an air vent ridiculously placed below 4/10where the record is cleaned and leaves water drops/condensation on the record , I took this back for... 4th method , I bought the V Es big brother a Pro-Ject VCS , much better , no silly vent but more expensive, does the trick so far but still leaves a tiny residue of droplets so I use a rack to completely dry 8/10

[@baggiesbhoy6444]

My cleaning method - Put record on turntable, turn it on, place Audioquest brush vertically with little downward force onto the record, always move the brush to the centre of the record and lift off like a plane taking off when removing, the dust will stick to the brush and not transfer to the other side. - Move the record to a cheap usb turntable with tonearm removed for cleaning and put label saver in place. - Mix 10 drops of Tergikleen Surfactant into 1 litre of distilled water, also add two vials of Glycol (this enables the surfactant to stay on the record in a vertical position), shake bottle and spray onto the record. - Using a Rottweiler Paint Pad Edger 4' gently place it on the record (not too much downward force otherwise the plastic base holding the bristles will come into contact with the record and will scratch) turn the record enabling the surfactant to get deep into the grooves. - Let the Surfactant absorb on the record for about one minute. - Fill disco antistat with distilled water and 7% alcohol mixed to the top of the bristles. - Move record to disco antistat, turn several times in both directions, you can also let it soak turning occasionally. - Lift record out of disco antistat and let all the fluid drop back into the tank. - Move the record back to usb turntable. - Tip a small amount of distilled water into a bowl and using a Foam paint brush thoroughly clean the record. - Attach Vinyl Vac 33 to the hoover, clamp to centre hole and turn record slowly. - Remove the record from usb turntable, place record in the rack provide with Disco Anti-stat and thoroughly clean the usb turntable base with distilled water and dry with lint cloth. - Repeat hoover procedure with side 2. - Repeat use of Audioquest static brush before playing. I've tested this method against several expensive cleaning machines and only the degritter was able to produce the same results. Cost of items required. disco antistat - £50 Tergikleen Surfactant - £30 + £10 postage from US. Glycerine / Mono Propylene Glycol £9 Vinyl Vac 33 - £37 + £13 for postage from US. Isopropyl Alcohol - £6 5L Distilled Water - £9 Rottweiler Paint Pad Edger 4' (2 pack) - £10 Foam brush 4' - £2 USB Turntable - £8 Total cost = £184 Credit to Vinyl for Miles for making me aware of the excellent Vinyl Vac 33 and The Audiophille Man for Tergikleen Surfactant which is a game changer in vinyl cleaning standards for me.

[@iorwerthpugh857]

I made my ultrasonic cleaner for less than that.

[@dsnyder0cnn]

I've found that I can clean up to 24 LPs using a single batch of MK3 fluid in my Spin-Clean. I have a drying rack that holds six LPs. I clean and carefully dry each LP with one of the Spin-Clean drying cloths. Although they are visibly dry, I let the LPs spend another 20 minutes or so in the drying rack before I put them back into their sleaves in preparation for the next six. I've cleaned as many as 72 LPs in a single day using this method (three batches of fluid), and they sound great. Only downside I've found with the Spin-Clean is that it's a little wasteful when I only have one or two records to clean. The same advice for new records holds with Spin-Clean: do a few passes on both sides with a carbon fiber brush first to remove loose particles. To me, the Spin-Clean seems to offer the best of both worlds, although for larger batches, I can imagine several advantages having a vacuum-based system to help with the drying process vs. using a pile of lint-free towels.

[@uncleremus64]

For recently purchased used records, I use a toothbrush with dish soap. Rinse in lukewarm water, dry on a towel with microfiber cloth. It works fine for the really dirty ones. Otherwise, my old records get the Discwasher kit treatment, That's enough.

[@stevehink7889]

I use a combination of manual, ultrasonic and vacuum. I mostly by new audiophile records at this time. First step, ultrasonic clean using a solution of distilled water, Tergikleen and a bit of alcohol. I have a filter system in place and leave fluid in the tank so a little Hepastat for bacteria control. I settled on an isonic P4875 Ultrasonic machine as it’s a good balance between economy and performance. I only do three records at a time, although the spindle holds ten. I clean for ten minutes, and run through distilled water in a spin clean (without the pads). Then onto the Pro-Ject VC-E to remove the water. The final step is 3-5 drops of ultra pure lab grade water with a MoFi cleaning pad, then one final vacuum. The last step may not be necessary, but it makes me feel better. Before ultrasonic, I’d clean with MoFi pads and Audio Intelligent three step process using a vacuum machine. Still use that method after ultrasonic cleaning on stubborn used records. I found the combination of methods works very well!

[@EclecticMusicMan]

I bought a Pro-Jet VCE record cleaning machine, the cheapest of the two and I don’t regret it. Only thing was I replaced the plastic clamp with one from the dearer machine, which is made of aluminium instead. The reason was I dropped the plastic clamp and it snapped in two.

[@Vince_Tasciotti]

My cleaning method is very simple, I cover the labels with acrylic clamps and give them a very deep cleaning in the kitchen sink with some dish soap. After that a secondary cleaning in a Spin Clean with distilled water and the standard Spin Clean solution. I let the records air dry and then a wipe down with a soft dry cloth.

[@mostirreverent]

I use a record label saving clap, detergent with a paintbrush to vigorously clean, then rinse, followed by 30% distilled water and alcohol. The alcohol helps with the wedding of the record. When I drive with a microfiber towel, let dry all the way and use carbon fiber brush

[@rickmilam413]

If manual cleaning is the only option for you, I understand. The Groovewasher products are quite good. I live about 15 minutes from them. I use the large Pro-Ject machine for cleaning visibly dirty records. I. use a Degritter for what I call fine cleaning and, perhaps most importantly, the best rinsing method available. I don't use anything in the ultrasonic water. I've used 3 and am not terribly impressed by any of them. The Degriritter fluid is the worst in my opinion. Records sound less noisy but kind of murky sounding. I use Tergikleen and spritz a little on the record then distribute with a fine goat hair brush. Then into the Degritter for the US cleaning. Then, because I am a bit of a nut and also listen to lots of classical music, I change to my second tank and do a rinse with pure water. One thing to be aware of is the possibility of loosening stuff deep in the grooves and actually having more noise. If this happens, repeat your process and be sure to rinse at the end, hopefully vacuuming or in an US machine.

[@tan143danh]

I have a project vac cleaner and a cheap ultrasonic cleaner. I purchased the ultrasonic cleaner First , followed by the project cleaner about a month later. I now use the Vac cleaner for almost all record cleaning, usually cleaning records before they are played. However the ultrasonic cleaner is really fantastic at cleaning really dirty records, like stuff splashed with paint or children's crayons. I have a lot of records from the 1960's which i can now play without fear of ripping the needle off the stylus, after cleaning with an ultrasonic cleaner. However the convenience that the project vacuum cleaner brings to the cleaning process has gotten me into the discipline of ensuring that all records are clean before being played. And that alone is worth the cost of purchase.

[@soundmatters]

Sounds like a great balance to me. Similar to my own routine. Happy spinning

[@romerolemstra8747]

I've recently found your channel and I like your video's, they are pretty fun! I've mostly seen your vinyl cleaning video's and I'am planning to get a groovewasher kit, however I live in the Netherlands and I can get some of their stuff semi easy, like groovewasher's basic g2 fluids and microfiber brushes (the normal one), wallnut handle, the display for the handle and sc1 brush etc, and sc1 stylus kits, those products of groovewasher I can get but their other I guess you can say "fancier" products like the black magic and the white suede brush for the wallnut handle, the g3 and gsr, the big g mat(s), their bigger re-fill bottles for their fluids, I cannot really get those unless I pay 60+ usd on shipping from groovewasher's website and that kinda sucks in my opinion.

[@soundmatters]

Hey Romero. Thanks very much for watching! I'm in touch with GrooveWasher regularly. Let me put your question to them in an email and I will get back to you ASAP.

[@PrideenJoy-id2nx]

I checked out the carbon fibre brush that you posted the link for on this video and I am including it with all the reviews that I’ve read; I’ve been trying to find a high quality anti-static carbon fibre brush online, however every single type has the same problems/ reviews/ comments ( and i assume there are not more of the similar comments due to users not realizing it is happening); comments stating that the fibres fall off and become embedded into the grooves of the record and also scratch/ ruin their records.

[@spacehopper999]

I bought a Pro-Jet VCE cleaning machine 2 years ago. For me, it's worth its money, especially when buying used records. I've had varying results; some records have been transformed from almost unplayable, full of clicks and pops to almost new condition, whilst others have not made much of a difference. Overall though, it generally improves the sound and reduces the clicks and pops.

[@soundmatters]

Great stuff. Yea, I certainly like mine. Worth the upfront investment for sure

[@mike_burke]

@spacehopper999 Hi Spacehopper, I recently invested in the Pro-Ject latest model, the VCS-2 alu. I agree completely with your findings. I hooe you don’t mind me asking, but could you advise me please on how often you replace the felt strip? I have cleaned almost exactly 200 records so far. I realise there are slight differences between the 2 models, but I think the felt strips should be about the same? I did not see anything in the manual about this topic. Thanks!

[@spacehopper999]

@@mike_burke Hi Mike. I probably haven’t used it as much as you, I imagine I have only cleaned around 50 or so. The felt strips still look like new at the moment. If the strips start to look thin, I would then replace them. I would imagine that after 200 records you would be coming to that stage very soon!

[@mike_burke]

@@spacehopper999 It still looks and feels good, I just wondered what others have experienced, as I don’t want to push it too far. I do clean the felt after every half dozen records max, which possibly helps. I am finding it a little difficult to source replacements, but at least the machine came with one spare. Thanks again!

[@pjcdrummer]

I bought a Project VC-s machine about 3 yrs ago & it leaked on me after 3-4 month started sounding louder then a jet taking off!!! I sent it back & they gave me the up grade the VC-S machine, the one he showed in the video. Well 6 month later that too was sounding louder then a jet taking off!!! so they gave another one. a year later that as well is starting to have problems!!!. My one suggestion to you is to make sure to run the vacuum for about a 1-2 minute after you clean a record just to make sure all the water is off the motor. Because Water & Metal don't mix well together it will rust!!! I only bought the machine (my first one the VC-S ) based on Michael Fremer's review! I liked it because it just grabbed on the label. But the upgrade they gave me the VC-E machine I now need to put this plastic flexi-disc underneath!!!??? Which hated!! Because the drain hole was directly underneath the record!!??? Who ever the engineer was who designed?? it should be shot!!! Why couldn't they put the drain hole on the side like the other machine (the VC-E machine), & Why did they put the motor right under the Vacuum arm???. So I went back to my Ultrasonic machine for a while. But, last month I bought a used VPI machine & that's working good along with my Ultrasonic machine... Just be warned the motor will rust if you get water on it!! I hope it works out for you!! Because it didn't for me!!

[@darrelking565]

I have the same Project vacuum cleaning machine and another point to make is if your cleaning a lot of records the felt pad gets wet and this could cross contaminate other records if cleaning a lot so need to keep a check on this..

[@soundmatters]

Great point well added. Thanks Darrel. Happy spinning and cleaning

[@budsmoker4201120]

Use microfiber towels but first carbon fiber brush. Then microfiber towl sprayed with 10%isopropyl and 90% distilled water. You can even and 1 : 30 simple green as well

[@budsmoker4201120]

12 bucks you got enough cleaning supplies to last years

[@spacehopper77]

There are 3 types of RCM’s, the two you mentioned (vacuum and ultrasonic) but also suction pump based. Suction pump, like Keith Monks, Pristine Vinyl, Loricraft etc have a number of advantages. 1. The wand doesn’t need cleaned or replaced. 2. much quieter than a vacuum. 3. Record is not sitting in dirty water like an ultrasonic.

[@dsnyder0cnn]

What's the difference between vacuum and suction pump? These sound like the same thing to me.

[@DuncanWEDD2019]

@@dsnyder0cnn Vacuum motor on the more affordable machines, sounds like an old 'Hoover' - a loud carpet vacuum cleaner. No late night cleaning and ear defenders for prolonged use. A 'suction pump' model (Loricraft, Keith Monks) is much, much quieter. Not only is it possible to conduct a normal conversation during use, one can listen to [other] records whilst doing so (and at a normal volume). This type of device is also significantly quieter than ultrasonic machines.

[@astolatpere11]

I have thousands of lps and make sure, before I play one, it has been macine cleaned. I use a Nitty Gritty 1.5 vacuum machine that I've had since the 1990s. Process: use carbon fiber brush to remove surface dust. Spray G2 fluid and distribute. Let stand 15-20 seconds. Place on machine and vacuum 41/2 revolutions. Do same to other side. Takes only a few minutes per lp. Great results.

[@ge4695]

I have enjoyed your record cleaning process. I really like that "mat" you us. I would like to get one or two of them. Where can I buy some? I also visited your site, I may overlooked it there? Thanks

[@soundmatters]

Thanks for watching and I’m glad you like. The mat is the GrooveWasher Big G cleaning mat. There’s a link to the lot website in the description of this video plus a Sound Matters discount code. Hope it serves you well :)

[@EddyTeetree]

Hi. The humming guru to be fair is a very basic machine with some design flaws, hence the price. After severe flooding here my own modest collection of around 300 Lp’s needed saving. Sitting in flood water for near a week. What a mess. I needed a really efficient cleaner and HiFi shop I know sold me a Knosti Antistat Ultrasonic as a demo model. I’d had the manual Knosti with the crank handle and it was great but it was lost in the floods. Anyway this combines the brushes with the ultrasonic and it works exceptionally well esp as it’s about a third what a Degritter costs (but it doesn’t dry and doesn’t look as good either). It’s quiet and it Does remove fingerprints😁

[@soundmatters]

Indeed. The humminguru is what it is for the price. It plays a part in my process, but certainly can’t replace a Degritter. I’ll take a look at the Knosti!

[@analogguy5548]

For manual cleaning I’ve had excellent results using a home vacuum cleaner brush attachment. Vinyl records are actually extremely durable. Consider that the force of the stylus contact area on the record is measured in term of tens of tons per square inch - a vacuum brush will not cause damage. After vacuuming the record I use a cleaning fluid with clean micro fiber cloth.

[@gaza4543]

As long as there handled correctly and stored well I actually see very little need for any machine a few good automotive microfibre cloth like that used by maguires and good quality spray like that by near mint ( or you can make you’re own) and you’re set. Oh and an antistatic brush. I find preventive maintenance is better than all out clean once a month. Keep the surrounding area super clear of dust is also just as important if not more so records are less likely to pick up anything horrendous then.

[@metalbearuk]

I use a Knosti mk2 with Tonar cleaning fluid, and rinse with deionised water. Just cleaned 100 or so records that had what I assume was mold on them following a flood, and they've come up like new. I don't feel the need to buy anything else.

[@aussierob7177]

I have been cleaning my vinyl for many years now, ever since i learned such a thing could be done and what it did for the record.I found out earlier on that hand cleaning records was just not good enough. You actually push more dirt and grime down to the bottom of the v shaped groove. I did some research and decided to buy a Nitty Gritty record cleaning machine. I bought the manual model for about $300. The cleaning agents are Record cleaning fluid, Power cleaner Distilled water and Record preservative and cleaning brushes. Records do indeed sound better than CD';s and can be as quiet, but you can only help a record sound this good through the use of certain chemicals. The catch is they must be removed through suction., however that very act itself cleans it in a way nothing else can. I also do this to new records that have never been played. Although the process is a bit time consuming, it is well worth the effort in the long run. I use L'Art du Son record cleaning fluid. Last Power Cleaner. Last Record Preservative Distilled water Separate cleaning brushes to scrub the cleaning fluids into the record. I have also made a dust sweeper for my turntable using a spare tonearm mounted on the opposite side of the turntable. I have attached a half inch wide flat soft brush that tracks the record to match the cartridge tracking by using downward force and anti-skate. This sweeps in front of the stylus to push any dust out of the way, leaving the stylus free of dust buildup.

[@soundmatters]

Thanks Rob for sharing your experience here. That dust sweeper will certainly extend the life of your stylus. One of the things I always loved about the Shure M97XE was the stabiliser brush. Though its main function was to be a stabiliser, the added protection from dust is excellent. It's just a shame Shure don't make it any more and replacement styli are very expensive. Happy spinning

[@tiborosz1825]

Most records these days are digital recordings or transfers from the masters. Anyone who says the can tell the difference between figital and analog is full of bs. MoFi proved it.

[@aussierob7177]

@@tiborosz1825 I only have records from the 60's and 70's. all analogue. Some were recorded on 35 MM film and others were direct to disc recordings. Today, everyone is dissatisfied, they cannot abide each other, i wonder why ?

[@tiborosz1825]

@@aussierob7177 well..enjoy it then..9nce the grooves wear out on these old records..its ginna be the end and everyone will be listening to evil distorted unholy digital music the human ear can't detect.

[@aussierob7177]

@@tiborosz1825 Fortunately, with new improved stylus tip shapes, the stylus can go a little deeper where there is no groove damage. And, since the 90's there is a product made by the Last company that, when applied to the surface of the record, hardens the vinyl and prevents record wear for about 200 plays. Isn't technology fabulous ? Did you know there are no clicks and pops on a record that has never been played ? BTW i do listen to digital music also.

[@lsaideOK]

I use the hunt EDA brush for a dry clean. Then the zero stat gun. I have the spin clean for cleaning multiple records and new records. I am interested in getting an ultrasonic cleaning machine. On the inexpensive side

[@soundmatters]

Cool: I've always wondered what the Hunt EDA brush is like... How does it compare to the Audio Quest?

[@lsaideOK]

@@soundmatters I did a scratch evaluation test. I found that drawing the audio quest brush across the album leaves marks while the hunt brush did not. I did read about someone who had the opposite finding. Plus, I feel it is more comfortable in my hand being wider. Have not found that dust magically adheres to either brush. I use a record roller for that. I find the zero stat gun to be very effective against static. And talk about long lasting! I do use a sparing application of liquid spray cleaner on a microfiber cloth to remove the final dust trace on the record.

[@user-pg3ws8zc1n]

Is there much difference between the record cleaning pad and say, a good quality microfiber cloth? If not, would it be advisable to wrap the record cleaning pad with a microfiber cloth so that you can easily change position of the cloth and rotate to a clean cloth to avoid cross-contamination? I'm in the process of cleaning a LOT of old and neglected vinyl records and can't afford to go with a dedicated machine. I'm also not putting the records back into their original inner sleeves, but using anti-static sleeves. Any ideas on DIY cleaning solutions?

[@crushingalldeceivers]

If you have more than 1000 records, you need a record cleaning machine. It is simple. I would never go back to hand cleaning records.

[@soundmatters]

Yep! Well worth the investment!

[@audiotomb]

An ultrasonic is a critical piece of gear if you have a refined audio system As viable as a major component

[@frederickfranchi6408]

Don't think so 😯 had an ultrasonic cleaner compared compared it to a spin clean and there was no difference at all!!!!!! sorry for me expensive record cleaners are a waste of money👎

[@noshybabs]

Why? You can only listen to one at once. Just clean as you use.

[@dannyjanssens8985]

I sell records and i clean records with 3 different easily available fluids and the result is as good if not better than cleaning with a record cleaner. I use Groovewasher occasionally for removing surface noise at the beginning (edge) of the record. I don't use my Okki Nokki anymore

[@naninano8813]

what about using waterpick with isopropyl alcohol? makes sense to me. alot less viscous, high pressure to get into those thin grooves. why no one tried that before?

[@petejay7851]

Many thanks for a decent video. Very thought provoking. I recently uploaded a video regarding my Moth RCM on my channel. I found there to be some ommissions in your video however. Notably the noise created by an RCM and what cleaning fluid you are using and what the makeup of the fluid is. I would have to disagree with you about the comments at the end however. If you do find sudden pops or crackles on a vinyl, then spraying fluid on the record surface and wiping with a soft pad cleaner is not good. Back in my teens I would do marathon cleaning sessions using a similar pad and fluid. I can state quite categorically that any of that fluid that does not evaporate will get into the grooves and stay there because you are not using a carbon fibre brush. I would then play the 'cleaned' records and would find a massive build up of muck on my stylus tip from the fluid laying in the grooves. Admittedly the fluid was doing its job loosening up dirt, but without a vacuum to suck it off the records would stay noisy for a protracted period until all the debris had been cleaned fully by the stylus. Pete.

[@daniannaci3258]

Oh, just as important, every cleaned record is to be placed in a brand new, high-quality sleeve, such as those sold by Mo-Fi. Returning the record, even brand new ones, to its previous sleeve just redeposits the dirt and dust you just labored to remove.

[@vinyl_marmalade]

In my opinion, you have to vacuum the cleaning fluid, otherwise you just spread the fluid and the dirt. For many years I couldn't afford a record washing machine, and I used to go to a hi-fi shop where you could clean records. They had a VPI 16.5 - that was great. Then they also used to have a Clear Audio Double Matrix Professional Sonic, a fully automatic machine. But in my opinion, the vpi was just as good in terms of results, you just had to do the whole job yourself! I also tried the Ultrasonic from Kuzma and the Gläss Vinyl Cleaner, but these ultrasonic machines didn't convince me; and above all MUCH too expensive (for my budget). I finally decided on the completely revised one from Okki Nokki - the 'Okki Nokki One 2020' and I am thrilled. I can only recommend it. This machine is still relatively cheap and works just as effectively as much more expensive machines! (I actually wanted to buy the vpi, which still cost 1500 dollars at the time, but was no longer imported just before COVID... so it was no longer available in Europe. I saw that the vpi is now only $999 / €, but that is still double the price of the Okki Nokki.) However, the purchase is worth it! The difference in sound is incredible!

[@budsmoker4201120]

Man I love that grizzly bear album

[@soundmatters]

It's a good one ay!? VMP issue

[@budsmoker4201120]

Can you still get it or is out of production?

[@soundmatters]

@@budsmoker4201120 I think they still have some: www.vinylmeplease.com/products/grizzly-bear-veckatimest

[@daniannaci3258]

The hand cleaning method, those that rely on a velvet pad for fluid absorption, does more harm, often permanent, than good. Don’t be fooled by the record coming out nice and shiny. That’s just the land between the grooves where the stylus never makes contact. The problem is that the velvet pad isn’t very effective at absorbing all of the fluid from the bottom of the groove with the suspended grit and grime. Near the bottom of the grooves, where the stylus does make contact, this mud dries into something like adobe and becomes pretty much permanent. A vacuum machine will suck 100% of that dirt-liquid suspension out of the grooves before it has a chance to dry, leaving a clean path for the stylus . Leaving a wet record to “air dry” is just asking for it to be deteriorated.

[@scottroberts7103]

I invested in a Okki Nokki rcm. It was the smartest thing I have done for my lps.

[@soundmatters]

The Okki Nokki machines look great. I tried to get in touch with them about a unit to review, but sadly never heard back

[@scottroberts7103]

@@soundmatters I bought mine from Audio Advisors. When I got mine, I received an acrylic cover for free along with a $100.00 off special for not financing and a booklet of coupons for discount prices for accessories. And free shipping from upstate N.Y. New York to Baltimore. It seemed too good to be true. But that was about 5 years ago. P.S. I did have to wait 2-3 weeks for delivery because they were stuck in customs. Other than that, I couldn't be happier.

[@soundmatters]

@@scottroberts7103 - excellent!

[@ulgn1964]

I don't buy used records only new ones, the only thing I do before playing is using a antistatic brush. Never come across a dirty new record, just some light dust.

[@audiotomb]

If you are a serious music lover (I hate the word audiophile) An Ultrasonic cleaner is critical if you take music seriously, have the means and have a huge collection The KLaudio LP200 - top load it - record ready in 8 minutes - no chemicals, you can do other things while it completely cleans a record - hands free. You only have to do it ONCE. Even new records need to take out their adhesives You will be rewarded with Micro details, air, lowest surface noise, removes pops and ticks and static Not cheap but if you have a large collection - priceless As effective on the sound as a major cartridge upgrade So spend your next upgrade money there (the Degritter is a nice less expensive option) That said - a spin clean, rice paper sleeves, outer dust covers and a fine record cleaning brush can help alot for not much money. Make sure to check your stylus for gunk and make sure your cartridge is professionally aligned (seek out local sources)

[@soundmatters]

Would love a KL Audio for sure. I'm hoping to try the Degritter at some point. Thanks for watching

[@image-i-nation-photography]

I cant decide between the Project VCE and the bigger one? I dont have a massive collection so would you say the smaller one is good?

[@soundmatters]

Go for the bigger one if you have space and the budget. Mainly because the vent valve is in a silly place on my smaller one. (Facing the under side of my records 😛).

[@iainbowman8979]

@@soundmatters I have the VCE and I cut a smallish plastic bottle lenghtways and glued it over the hole with silicone so that it now vents to the side away from the LP, this works nicely.

[@soundmatters]

@@iainbowman8979 great! Can you send me a picture? I need to work something out too

[@TERRYMism]

My advice and I'm a 68 year old vinyl collector. Look after your records then you will never have to fork-out loads of money for a machine that over time will permanently damage your vinyl investment. The chemicals leach into the vinyl grooves. For added protection, use plastic inner sleeves rather than the plane old white paper ones. And never let others play your vinyl, they will invariably put dirty finger marks on the playing surface. Keep in mind, not many know how to treat the vinyl record surface with respect. Stay safe & go well.

[@piotrbiedowicz1602]

For me the BEST way to clean my records is to buy this green Winyl Advanced Cleaning Gel. There is notning better👍

[@ericberger6966]

I tried all methods, except Optosonic and vacuum, on 400+ records for 30+ years including new inner sleeves with inliner. The result was never as good as I want, even when they where new. The worst method is to apply a lquid and whiping off with any rag or brush. Than, a few years ago, I washed a dirty, second-hand record at a shop with Loricraft vacuum, costing nearly 3 Euro plus time and costs to get there. That was the first time I get not only a clean record, it is also free of electrostatic load. Compare to the 350 EURO for the shown Pro-Ject vacuum and calculate for 400 records. I bought the Pro-Ject and can say, vacuum cleaner and Optosonic is overkill. And new records are also appreciating the treatment.

[@permit40]

If by hand...compressed air before Carbon fiber brush. Then solution and paint brush pad, then distilled water and paint brush pad again, then vinyl vac.

[@TERRYMism]

And then drive a rusty nail across the playing surface.

[@spacemissing]

Most records I buy are OK after hand cleaning. A few need something more, but I have not yet bought a machine.

[@soundmatters]

Excellent. Yep, you can get really good results by hand, for sure.

[@TERRYMism]

No need for an expensive cleaning machine David, look after your records and they will out last you. I 'm 68 I have 600 LPs & 500 45 rpm singles and have never cleaned my vinyl records with any chemical fluid, it damages the playing surface over time. If you must clean use a carbon fiber brush gently while the record is spinning on the turntable. If you also discard the paper inner sleeve (these leave slight scratches that build up overtime on the vinyl playing surface when taking the record in & out of its paper sleeve & these scratches will effect the playing surface, again overtime, and will become noticeable when played), replace the paper with a reputable brand of plastic inners. And never let others play your vinyl, most people do not know how to respect the playing surface. I keep mentioning the "Playing Surface" in this post: its what we pay for when buying our vinyl after all. Its the thing we are going to listen to and get our entertainment & enjoyment from. I rarely buy second-hand records, but when I do, & they need a clean, I have a damp cloth and a dry one use only tap water on the damp cloth nothing more, and definitely no Detergent. Give the record a good clean with the damp cloth in a circular motion around the record, then dry with the un-wet cloth. I have done this for 48 years & have not had any problems., other than that I do not clean my vinyl I take care of it so I don't have to. The information here are only suggestions David, nothing more. Stay safe & go well.

[@bodywise007]

here's the real problem. It is a tradeoff. The cost of these machines eats into any profit from selling off a record (vinyl) collection. For those still playing vinyl (great) it is totally worth buying a machine. There are so many options, that it is difficult to determine what is "best."

[@watdanuqta-mf5ms]

None of this stuff is necessary but if you do play records, at least get a Spin Clean or a Knosti disco anti-stat device. The brushes on the knosti I think clean better than the S C pads but the Spin Clean is easier to use. Of course, you can modify the Spin Clean to use brushes like I have.

[@tomboyd8]

2:44 where do you get this label protector? Thanks

[@soundmatters]

Comes with most GrooveWasher kits. Link in the description 🎧👍

[@tomboyd8]

@@soundmatters Thanks 🙂

[@TERRYMism]

Tom, don't bother, save your money and look after your records, if you do that, they will last you a lifetime without cleaning. If you must clean, use a carbon fiber brush. Over time chemicals from the cleaning liquid will leach into the playing grooves and permanently damage the playing surface. This is just a helpful hint, nothing more. Stay safe & go well.

[@tomboyd8]

@@TERRYMism Thanks Terry, I don't tend to clean any new records with fluid. I just use a carbon fibre brush and pad to remove dust. I only use cleaning fluid when cleaning up older records which genuinely need something more than just a brush. I have seen people clean records in water, and use a label protector clamp when doing so. Perhaps this is better than using chemicals?

[@scrunts666]

Ultrasonic is the only way to do it properly in my opinion. I own a Pro-ject cleaner and used to use an Okki Nokki and before that a Disco antistat. They all annoyed me in one way or another. Soon I will use a humminguru.

[@spyderhead7160]

👍

[@greysuit17]

Hand wash in the sink with dish soap, no problem. Done and done.

[@iorwerthpugh857]

I can’t really afford commercial record cleaners so I made my own, a wet vacuum like VPI and an ultrasonic. Really dirty records get a pre-clean in the VPI type then ultrasonic and then instantly dried on the VPI type. For Reasonable looking records, I skip the pre-clean. It’s just delusional to think you can properly clean records by hand. Cleaning like this has utterly transformed my listening and collecting. I collect classical records only and there are often very quiet sections where a less than spotless record would ruin the experience. Much rock & pop lacks these quiet periods and largely covers up the clicks & pops caused by dirt and light scratches.

[@floppytwist]

Wait you're cleaning your vinyl?

[@Lee-yt1de]

I find wire wool the best method for me

[@soundmatters]

For that perfectly smooth finish :)

[@FishHeadsIV]

I put them in the dish washer

[@soundmatters]

😅

[@scottroberts7103]

I put mine in the back of a pick-up truck and run them through the carwash.

[@soundmatters]

@@scottroberts7103 sounds ideal 😜😂

[@TERRYMism]

I'm with you on this one. No chemical substance should ever be used on the playing surface, over time the chemicals leach into the playing grooves and permanently damages the playing surface. If people look after their records there shouldn't be a need to clean them. But I am sure I am not telling you anything new there. Stay safe & go well.

[@TERRYMism]

No chemicals, sprays and other such devices should ever come into contact with the playing surface. They will do permanent damage overtime to the playing grooves. If people look after their vinyl collections and never allow others to play them, then there is no need for chemicals and cleaning machines. I have 600 LPs and 500 45rpm singles that have never had any chemicals on them, and the playing surface still sounds fantastic like they were when I bought them back in the early 70s. For added protection I discard the paper inner sleeves and replace them with plastic mobile fidelity inners. Stay safe & go well.

[@eliasmodernell3348]

The best record machine is digital. Go digital and you can clean your home of those records for good

[@mariocassar3117]

I do not recomment the Project machine. After two years of limited use I had. To replacethe pummp at a cost of c.€200. Not a good company to o business with. The pump costs €40 from China!

[@Matasky2010]

Totally disagree with rule #1- why bother using an ineffective carbon fiber brush when you can simply wet a microfiber cloth and wipe the surface clean. A wet cloth is FAR more effective at picking up loose debris than a brush.

[@Dave-if5qj]

Overpriced machines But faster and more effective IMHO

[@richardbas2948]

Cleaning a lot of records in one go is nonsense! As soon as you put it back in it's sleeve, it's dirty again! Better is to clean them as soon as you bought them. During pressing and packaging, particals of plastic and dust are 'sleeved' aswell! After that dry cleaning with the carbon fiber brush is enough and always play your records with the 'cover' of the player closed! And please..... Don't hang picture discs on the wall......

[@PristineAcoustics]

This video is full of misleading and misinformations.