Record number of Tories defect to Labour | Pienaar and Friends

[@brucefraser4778]

all they are doing is keeping themselves on the gravy train, rats deserting a sinking ship, no loyalty to anyone but themselves

[@mus139]

Too true, The worst Government we had in 14 years, And Labour are no better.

[@bwilliams572]

@@mus139 We have had 14 years of labour lite

[@DavidGetling]

I've just made a similar comment. If they put their country, rather than themselves, first then they would have defected to either Reform UK or the LibDems.

[@paulhumphreys-gw3po]

but they still have Torie values so voting labour is just essentially putting the Tories back in

[@DavidGetling]

@@paulhumphreys-gw3po Tory values - serving oneself.

[@tedthesailor172]

Money-grubbing Tories desperate to keep hold of their Westminster salaries and perks...

[@mobilephil244]

Socialilsts desparate to stay in control

[@daftwod]

Tory party has one policy and you support it. Mass third world immigration.

[@NickBFTD]

Proof both parties are cut from the same cloth.

[@paulmapp8306]

of course.... If you look at the position they hold on the global political compass.... The Tories are JUST to the left of the centre line and slightly below the authoritarian/liberal line (to the liberal side). Labour are a little further left - but only a little and slightly above the A/: line (tot he authoritarian side). They are both actually pretty central in the overall picture - and very close to each other actually. If you only look at the 2 - they LOOK left and right, but thats only relative to themselves. There are NO right wing parties in this country - even reform is only JKUST to the right of the centre line - but still a centrealist party in global terms. The furthest left are actually the Green Party. LibDems are further from the centre point than either labour or cons - not on the left/right scale but they are quite a way form the centre line in the liberal/authoritarian axis - on the liberal side. In fact, of all the parties in the world - the british conservatives are the one closest to dead centre (if a little to the left).

[@jake751]

Thank you ❤

[@joycegibbs5267]

exactly, they're both the same !!

[@jfla5700]

You can't swap from a Tory to Labour unless you're a feckless careerist. Uniparty out Uniparty in

[@susannamarker2582]

I fear you are right. Mind you, the Blair/Brown reforms of 1997-2010 forced the Tories to become a left-leaning party, so yes, it could be a uniparty. The Tories need to get back to being a real conservative party.

[@TKRoGan1]

Why not? They are virtually the same party when it comes to ultra-high tax, large government, open doors, useless politicians etc etc

[@tedthesailor172]

I'm afraid "feckless careerist" defines British politicians...

[@Gary-le7dz]

@@TKRoGan1yes high tax as opposed to reform who in there fantasy manifesto are going to propose the biggest tax hike on national insurance to raise £20 billion in 75 years

[@Stiffytheenlightened]

They just want to be on the winning side.

[@oilylampman7252]

The fear of having to get a proper job, must be terrifying!

[@najmabegum5789]

Yeah, no gravy train, no self pay rise and no expenditure fund! Starmer should be ashamed of taking them in. Why bother voting labour if we're going find the same tenants in number 10, doing the same thing 😢

[@JBroMCMXCI]

They’re just looking after themselves, ensuring they still get access to those juicy government contracts.

[@user-mjg1067]

I don't care what party you represent you should stay in the party the people voted you in, those who choose to jump ship are despicable, and not worth voting for, can you tell I have a very low opinion of politicians.

[@andyenglish7928]

They already are labour ,whats in a name!!!!!!!!!

[@janedoh123]

Exactly since new labour with Tony back in the 90s

[@Stiffytheenlightened]

Are Labour soon to become the 'Islamic Tory Party'?

[@paulineinnes5319]

They are both the same,we need to start from scratch.

[@lukecaldwell7721]

Whatever puppet show you install, the money will co-opt and corrupt it.

[@chriselliott726]

Read the manifestoes and educate yourself. You won't say silly things then.

[@robertkay8585]

Just a quick change of underwear is required. Take off your blue boxer shorts and put on your red ones and (hey, presto!) you are now a Labour MP.

[@AJ-qn6gd]

Just goes to show they have no morals they’re only out for themselves, they’d rather jump ship than lose their cushy number !

[@DavidHarvey-po9le]

Exactly.

[@notjustforhackers4252]

Have we worked out we need to remove both "parties" yet?

[@grahamcrawford4203]

Labour are Tories. The political landscape is a sham

[@stephenhill545]

Nye Bevan was a Tory. Do you think so?

[@pauld7827]

Any politician who jumps from tory to labour is clearly just a career politician. As such they must be punished. In every seat that this has happened, the electorate must stand up and vote for Reform.

[@blacklisted4885]

They were never Conservative or right wing. The Tory Party IS the Labour Party and vice versa

[@rusty911s2]

No

[@aidiess]

@@rusty911s2 YES !!!!!!

[@DireW0lf0]

Just a continuation of Blairs New Labour! There is no actual right wing party since the late 90's! Tory = New Labour Labour = Communist with union control The closest thing to right wing is Reform UK that are centre right! (Basically pre 90's conservative)

[@almohammed8330]

As Mr Galloway said two cheeks of the same backside!

[@brendanpells912]

And Galloway is the hole in the middle.

[@PSI-qf8bq]

​@brendanpells912 ha ha ha how true

[@stephenhill545]

Who? The Tories and Reform.

[@angelaball8594]

It’s obvious these cowardly MPs are just making sure they maintain their MP s salary.absolutely no conviction to remain with the party they originally were voted in for.i sincerely hope Reform do better and put the cat amongst the pigeons

[@richardruff8712]

What is there to stop all 650 of these wonderful MP's changing their parties, during the course of a parliament... ? We, the people, are realising that we vote for a Person, and NOT the party who they represent... Something must be done to change this....?

[@paulholdstock4751]

I don’t think labour are taking anything for granted

[@edwinmoreton2136]

Why Labour and not Reform? Because Tory and Labour are in the same club!

[@richardhowlett4097]

Reform is another glorified word for Tory, listen to what Tice says, they are in it to protect the wealthy.

[@Nice0n3]

Or because Reform are a bunch of racist lunatics that have to remove candidates because of their statementements and Tice had to tell them to not "drink and text"...

[@Stiffytheenlightened]

Why Reform and not Labour? Because Tory and Labour are in the same club!

[@31Blaize]

Why? Because if you (selfishly it must be said) want to continue your career one will be in power and the other will at best win a handful of seats. Not rocket science.

[@stephenhill545]

Tories and Reform are in the same club. The ERG would be right at home in Reform.

[@everTriumph]

So having torn the Tory party apart they want to move to Labour. Apart from the sheer hypocrisy of the act, something we have come to expect from politicians today, Labour itself is hardly any better, only pasting together a facade a few weeks ago. Abandon hope?

[@Randomukperson]

Rishi tore it apart by his indifference to the middle classes

[@peterbeard933]

Traitors...... hopefully these traitors will not be voted for and the public see them for what they are. Past history would see them disposed of.

[@stewartjones2173]

Errrgh! The slimeyness of it.

[@oak699]

Replacing genuine (left) Labour MPs and candidates, by Tory defectors. What could possibly go wrong? "Vote Labour, get Tory". Thoroughly depressing. UK politics is broken.

[@karenm8239]

Unless those seats are under the short campaign selection,, the membership will choose their candidate.

[@martinwoollett8468]

@@karenm8239 ha ha ha

[@kincaidwolf5184]

Your point makes no sense at all. Many millions of former Conservative voters are now voting labour. This is the reason why Labour is going to win the election. Democracy is about bringing people together under your values. Diane Abbot does not represent traditional Labour. She supports Northern Irish and Scottish Independence and frankly is a liability to more social conservative traditional voters in Northern England and Wales. Labour needs to move past the London socialist to win.

[@oak699]

@@kincaidwolf5184 No, you're wrong. There won't be "many millions of former Conservative voters now voting Labour". Most Tory voters who won't vote Tory this time, will simply stay at home. 5 to 10 % will vote for Nigel Fartage's mothly crew. But only a few will vote Labour. Tha's the tribal nature of English politics for you.

[@kincaidwolf5184]

@oak699 No you're wrong. The idea that millions of voters don't change parties over the course of their life time is nonsense. You're looking at it from 2019 and today. Go back to 2017, 2015, 2010, 2005, 2003,1997, 1991 etc etc. Huge number of SNP former voters are going to vote Labour too. Most people will change their voting preferences in their life time.

[@rainbow-shine6946]

The Uk deserves so much better !!!

[@joycegibbs5267]

do we. We keep voting these criminals in, keep letting them get away with it. We're getting what we voted for !

[@banzaiman1]

Hold on a minute, Surely if you believe in the Tories Ethos how can you just suddenly switch to Labour who have a totally different ethos?

[@paulrichardson1612]

These politicians don’t give S••t what party they are in as long as the can get paid for doing very little.

[@naeedaafzal3055]

so we get same people under different name, same destructions, we are doomed

[@Evay-11]

The ship is fleaing the sinking rats 😂

[@normanmorgan1596]

Defectors should be shunned from whichever party. How can you trust let alone vote in such people. Egoists never to be trusted.

[@TheDeb295]

100% agree! It's an absolute joke if the Labour Party allow them in, when clearly the defectors aren't loyal, cannot be trusted and clearly just in it to keep a wage packet (plus expenses)! In their pocket. To me this puts the whole thing up in the air. Now I'm not sure who I will vote for.

[@robinnorthway365]

All freaking REMAINERS!

[@daviemac1000]

they have defected from the uniparty and joined the uniparty

[@pipins3616]

It’s like saying why did you move from Man City to Man Utd, oh yeah they tripled my wage

[@LordBillington42]

Just shows how vapid and hollow both parties are.

[@bwilliams572]

Troughs and pigs come to mind.

[@tooyoungtobeold8756]

Any defection should incur a by-election. People vote Conservative but the MP changes sides (to save their job/expenses/salary etc) and the voters get a Labour MP.

[@beanhole123]

and thats why youre meant to vote for the candidates

[@chrisd924]

The Conservative's record in office... 1. Highest energy bills in Europe. 2. Highest taxes in 70 years. 3. Highest interest rates since 2008. 4. Highest train fares in Europe. 5. Longest waiting lists in NHS history. 6. Raw Tory sewage pumped into rivers. 7. Lowest corporate taxes in 50 years. 8. Lowest State Pension in Europe. 9. Highest Immigration both legal and illegal ever. 10. Destroyed the NHS dentist service. 11. Brexit. 12. One failed Prime Minister after another. 13. Worlds shortest in post Prime Minister which created a financial disaster. 14. More corrupt MP's than any other party in parliament. 15. Europe's longest Austerity for the lower paid. 16. Highest Council Tax rates in the World. 17. Reduced our Armed Forces more than any other G8 country. 18. Highest number of MP's that have been arrested for sexual offences. 19. Highest number of MP's that have been sacked for corruption and Fraudulent acts. 20. Voted to allow Bankers to have unlimited bonus's even though the bankers caused the crash of 2008. 21. More libraries closed due to council cuts than any other modern country. 22. Ruined and destroyed the Train services by giving private companies tax payers money as subsidies. 23. Voted against Labours creation of the minimum wage. 24. Wasted billions of Tax payers money on crony PPE contracts for their friends and other Tory donors. 25. Sold off 600 Police Stations. 26. Sold off our Courthouses. 27. Closed then sold our Fire Stations. 28, Failed to fix - repair our schools. 29. Cut spending on youth services. 30. Court backlog is at record levels 31. Threw 30,000 pensioners to the wolves during the first wave of the pandemic. 32. Sold off our electrical grid to foreign companies. 33. Failed to build new affordable homes. 34. Wasted billions on HS2. 35. Failed to close Tax Loopholes. 36. Failed to build 40 new hospitals. 37. Failed to repair our crumbling roads. 38. Forced many councils into bankruptcy. 39. Failed to address the 4 million children living in poverty. 40. Cut spending on mental health services. 41. Privatised and sold off the nations Post Office - Gas - Water and Electricity Companies 42. Allowed BP and Shell to steal our Oil and Gas reserves whilst paying little to no taxes. (Norway has a Sovereign Wealth fund of over $1.6 trillion). 43. Sunaks failed RWANDA policy has cost approx 500m. 44. Increased the pension age. 45. Failed promise to end rough sleeping. 46. Failed promise to end Leaseholds. 47. Failed to Ban No Fault Evictions. 48. Failed to ban so-called conversion therapy. 49. Failed in their Levelling up promise. 50. Introduced Voter ID excluding thousands from voting. 51. Introduced the bedroom tax. 52. Forced disabled people to jump through hoops to claim benefits. 53. Britain now has more foodbanks than McDonalds. 54. Tried to implement fracking. 55. Failed to invest in green energy and electric vehicle recharging infrastructure. 56. Our National Debt is now 3 Trillion. 57. Failed to prepare or have sufficient PPE for a Pandemic even when it was No1 on the risk register... 58. Given free reign in Non-Dom billionaires and Media owners to cause societal division and fuel racism. 59. Promoted lunatics like Cruella, Mogg and Patel to high office. 60. Blocked the Russia report. 61. Gave us the highest diesel prices in Europe. 62. Closed and then sold off our onshore gas storage tanks to high end developers making the impact of the invasion of Ukraine worse by increasing the cost of gas. 63. Tripled the cost of University fees for students and locked them in their digs during the pandemic. 64. Grenfell. 65. Windrush. 66. Increased our National Debt to 3 Trillion. 67. Partygate.

[@deco2132]

Copy, paste, copy, paste - get a life mate.

[@mrsillywalk]

@@deco2132 First time I have seen it. So what if he did. Well worth more than one post.

[@anthonymitchell956]

And labour will make everything better. I can't wait to vote them in , I'm so excited. !

[@chrisd924]

@@mrsillywalk Thanks for taking the time to comment and have a good day and a better weekend.

[@DireW0lf0]

To be fair Brexit happened in spite of the Tories (Not because of them).

[@jockman4686]

None of them want to get off the gravy train, vote them all out

[@Incognito.isnotreal]

Mainstream media will have you believe it's one or the other. I think we should give worker party's or any other party a chance. No way they can mess up more than these two ....

[@stephenhill545]

You mean the SWP?

[@jeffersonalvez-jt4pl]

The tory defectors going to join Labour shows us one thing politically there is little difference between the 2 parties, starmer called these tories spineless so that means there are more spineless tories with the labor party. That must mean we the people population will soon here the tory's call the labor government tory 2.

[@daftwod]

Tories and Labour are completely interchangeable.

[@alcoholicjoe6199]

Come and play our circus games ...

[@PaulCroslandRefugeTreeWoods]

4:23 Diane Abbott’s decision to stand or not carefully considered. What did you make of her shaking right hand when speaking outside Hackney Town Hall this week?

[@808State21]

Another reason not to vote for Labour

[@Chris3141592]

Vote for all main parties over the last five years to be jailed for crimes against the populace. Independents are the only ones with potentially a clean record.

[@joycegibbs5267]

you forgot, locked us down for 2+ years with full support of Labour. That helped our country sooo much, NOT !

[@PhilipHills-pm1nf]

Yes, politicians are a breed apart. Not worth voting for any of them really.

[@phoenixreborn6065]

You can't be too shocked, they are basically interchangeable parties and this point and have been for a long time so seeing Conservative MP's on Labour's bench is where they probably belong and not much of a surprise. Hopefully it might help the Conservative party elect people who are actually right wing although I won't hold my breath for that to happen any time soon.

[@philmachunt3356]

There is no difference between Labour and Conservatives, the MPs are interchangeable. Anyone that thinks voting for either of these parties is going to fix this countries problems are deluded. You should at least consider Reform, look at their policies. If we carry on with the Uniparty this country is done.

[@michaelking8642]

Vote Starmer get another Tory. Labour won’t get my vote.

[@raybrisco4071]

move to labour they were labour in blue clothing the way operated?

[@PatrickWhelan-sp1th]

People who go on about Tories being socialists are twisting reality and pushing fascist ideas. The Tories are already too right wing.

[@clivewalker5465]

Yes , operating under a False Flag , no wonder the Tory party , with an 82 seat majority got nothing done , the Opposition were already in their Ranks ....... 5th Column comes to mind , Quisilings .

[@ZafarIqbal-jl8yq]

Tories and labour like husband and wife fight during day and at night sleep together 😂😂😂

[@vonrecht1236]

THE RATS are fleeing the sinking ship. I'm not even a Boris fan, but letting him go was a BIG mistake...as for Ed Davey, he looks like a third-rate imitation of Boris...

[@finderoftruths]

I love the way they title their videos as if they are going to give the Tories a kicking then they spend most of the time shilling for them. Shill shill shill

[@LadyLuck8_4]

Chickens trying to stay in a job. Cluck..

[@MrKidOcelot]

Vote for the Citizen Independents or The Workers Party of Britain to end the reign of the Uniparty Criminal Collective!!!

[@BELLA_AND_RUBY]

ive allways voted conservative not no more but not on my death bed would i vote for labour

[@boots869]

Behold. What a lot of Jackson Pollocks.....

[@lynnbarsby7356]

😅😅

[@aleccap5946]

That's not the question - it should be. After 14 years of tory, why is our country in such a mess ?

[@DireW0lf0]

Because they are New Labour, they stopped being conservative in the late 90's!

[@aleccap5946]

@DireW0lf0 That's under traitor Blair you're going on about, not this unelected clown

[@stevenhowe6677]

Wont vote Tory - Wont vote Labour

[@tonyfendall]

It's just a way of earning money to them. The party allegiances mean nothing to them.

[@ArtherFocksake]

What is a liberal democrats? is it a new band of coffee? alcopop?

[@martinwoollett8468]

not as slimy as Tories or as bigoted as the Zionist labour party

[@Dilbert-o5k]

Why do times radio have to have the biggest headphonrs possible when most people can use ear buds or less? Are they trying to ape american sports where they have gone the route of largest earphones possible?

[@lucitonstjames3925]

Defecting from a hard right Tory party to a pastiche of the Tory party of 1987.

[@joycegibbs5267]

hard right ?? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@petercolledge2236]

Nice analysis from the lady.

[@pal_494]

The fact that Tory MPs feel comfortable joining Labour shows the Tory party haven't been conservative for some time. Vote Reform

[@dianeglanville]

bye bye sunak and cronies you will not be missed

[@jaisriram295]

Trust me within 2 years they will be missed

[@michaelsrowland]

Vote reform

[@TGLANESRA]

You want to finish the country off with them tossers.. no good choices

[@nuttall47]

Just goes to show the state of politics. The uniparty exists . There's no difference between them

[@FRU.No.1]

It's trite but worth saying once again: The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.

[@cleolector710]

It proves to me not one mp is bothered about British people It's all about big wages free everything Because other wise they stand by what they believe Not leave the ship like rats they are Let's go to labour Continue having our massive wages We change what we believe

[@stevenwilliamson6236]

It's impossible for Diane Abbott not to be a Labour hero.

[@MARINA4163]

And the gravy train comes to mind!

[@hidden6ix742]

they literally set themselves apart by calling themselves "the ruling class". We need direct government .and many ,many referendums.

[@gardenmind4515]

Same politics, different name!

[@robertallen591]

the tories must go no matter what you personaly believe in, they have simply failed, and are not up to the job

[@jaisriram295]

And for who? Labour who will be taken over by the far left within 18 months

[@graememckay9972]

Yup, they need to go, unfortunately there's no one good enough. Not a single person worth voting for. What a state our country is in.

[@Randomukperson]

Rishi works for the elite and his wife. Not the people

[@alanparish4870]

It's simply a jettison into the sewer.

[@glynsmith4590]

Starmer has said time and again that she is NOT BARRED!!! She might want to ride the wave atm!

[@JohnShaw-zm2pc]

Vote out to help out. Vote Labour give them a chance we can always vote them out 😅😅😅😅

[@ElgataaRay-xe9wo]

🐀 and ⛵️ springs up to mind

[@stringer-ik1pc]

They dont want to lose their £85. Grand a year salary ,pension and possible knighthood and £300 a day in the house of lords. Vote Reform and change this lot for good.

[@accomuk]

Converts are often the strongest advocates .

[@sarahlou4233]

As it's all now a uni-party they can all switch about to whoever they think will win in their seat and then they keep their nice little job with many perks. Meanwhile whoever wins the agenda continues and all remains the same. This is no longer a two party system that is just the theatre...this is a uni-party.

[@michaelbishop5017]

Look at the state of Mr Blobby Boulton.

[@stevenwilliamson6236]

Starmer has said that he is in favour of genocide. It's shameful that everyone isn't saying that. Faiza Shaheen has been working for six years to replace Ian Duncan Smith.

[@BrassToff]

Altogether now in your best football crowd voice, "They're taking the p...., they're taking the p..........., same old MPs, taking the p........."

[@DaleHanson-nw9yc]

New New Labour 2024

[@ArtherFocksake]

New New New Labour.

[@Randomukperson]

Lying labour

[@boots869]

Sinking... SUNK!

[@janedoh123]

That tells me that they are one and the same and it’s a personality contest now

[@yyyfffff33333]

That tells you they were never Tories to begin with !

[@leonthehitman]

Adam says that Labour thought there was an agreement that if Diane Abbott got the whip back then she wouldn't stand. So from that I understand then they were holding the whip over her for no other reason than to blackmail her to leave. She had been cleared. My Labour party sickens me at the moment.

[@DavidHarvey-po9le]

Diane Abbot couldn't add up - do you want her in government to virtue signal?

[@stephenhill545]

She's a vote loser. A party doesn't need them.

[@rolandrimann8788]

Not true tories, turncoats , feathering their own nest.

[@walt42]

showing their true colours now the jobs done by the sounds of it

[@animalnt]

Lol so they don't care which side they're on, as long as they're riding the waves. If an MP no longer stands for the party you voted for, then how can they represent you in parliament? How does it work that they can change philosophy; do they believe in nothing? Or is the point to always have the opposition with common sense, that will revert once elected in, giving the illusion of choice?

[@stevenwilliamson6236]

How many Jews live in the UK? How many Muslims? He's alienating a lot of people.

[@joycegibbs5267]

so they were never Conservative in the first place. It all makes sense now !!!

[@MATT-dw3lu]

Their all for themselves not the people

[@carlowingfield7743]

Sunk ship , Sunak ship .

[@davidcollin3808]

They do not care about our country it's all about keeping on the gravy train.

[@leonbell5141]

The media that used to ❤rishi has turned against him surprise surprise 😂

[@Psychonaut42]

Don’t fall for the trap, labour is just the tories with different clothes, vote reform, change British culture for good,

[@RockinJohnnyaitken]

Imposters the lot of them