Recording Drums - Cymbal Resonance System

[@dompesceproject]

I heard the difference. The ride pitch was higher and clearer. Just what I need for my cymbals! Great vid!

[@RecordingDrumsWithBrad]

Thanks, Dominic! I'm thinking about getting a few more for my other cymbals.

[@johnnyperki1447]

​@@RecordingDrumsWithBrad Get them brother. You record insanely well btw. Cheers and happy new year.

[@Redz6969]

Definitely sounds brighter! And better!

[@RecordingDrumsWithBrad]

The natural sound of the cymbal shining through! :)

[@kddrums85]

I heard a noticeable pitch up change with the CRS on the Ride. I have seen these on other drummers kits and wondered what they were. I used Cympads for years as they are supposed to increase sustain but then went back to the felts for recording when I don't want so much sustain. I like the idea of using this for my ride. Will check it out...thanks for the vid!

[@RecordingDrumsWithBrad]

Thanks, Kyle! I've used the Cympads on all my cymbals for years and absolutely love them. In fact they were on the cymbal stands for this video when I wasn't using the CRS on the stands. Thanks again, Kyle! Happy New Year!

[@Simon-pf7fl]

I also heard this higher pitch with this system, especially when played with the tip of the stick, and really liked it! But, i' m not so sure, that i would prefer it to the standard mics, i guess both ways have their advantages in sound, depending on the band setting. The practical advantages by the way are obvious to me. Not having to think bout hitting a mic, and how to place the mics...

[@richardwilliam6660]

Just sounds so much more natural with the CRS. Very cool.

[@RecordingDrumsWithBrad]

I agree with you, Richard! I can't live without them now!

[@weareallbeingwatched4602]

I make sure to use a solid bar between the kick and the ride because the ride resonates the drum, and it works like an amplifier for bottom end. I also hang up cymbals in the ceiling of small rooms to genetate reverb. Sympathetic resonance accounts for more than you think, and it's nuanced. With a cymbal on a stand, you can really tell the difference in a floor, and what it's made of.

[@RecordingDrumsWithBrad]

Using cymbals for reverb is beyond interesting to me! That's a fantastic idea. Going to have to try that!

[@bennokaiser698]

Thank you for the comparison, saw them under Benny Greb's cymbals and had to google them. With the CRS they sound way more open, but the use of Cympads on the normal stand cuts of highs and sustain, that's why there is a difference in pitch.I use Cympads quite a lot in situations where the cymbals are to harsch and too long. Liebe Grüsse from the place Cympads are from (Switzerland) Benno

[@RecordingDrumsWithBrad]

Thanks, Benno! I did a follow up video where I use a felt pad, cympad, and the CRS to show the differences in the sound. At the time I did this video I didn't even consider that I was using a cympad because of how long I had been using them. It just became the norm for me. Hopefully the follow up video is a better example of what you can expect when adding the CRS to your setup. Thanks again, Benno! Appreciate your comment. :)

[@tinkeytoneorchestra5386]

Listening on a home TV, the difference is clearly audible. The stock stands mute highs that ring out with the CRS. (Not that I want more highs from my cymbals. I don't find the extreme ends of the spectrum useful. For me, the extra lows are mud and the extra highs are future hearing loss.)

[@RecordingDrumsWithBrad]

That's awesome that you can hear the difference on a tv! I just checked it on my phone and I could hear the difference there too! :)

[@Sundaydrumday]

When it got to the back to back comparison the change was absolutely obvious and I am on my phone right now, can only imagine thru my monitors. Sold me on them for sure, opened them wide !!!

[@RecordingDrumsWithBrad]

It's a pretty remarkable difference!!

[@Simon-pf7fl]

Yeah, true! I also only heard it through my phone 😊

[@johnnyperki1447]

omg this makes a world of difference geez

[@RecordingDrumsWithBrad]

Yeah, it's a pretty amazing piece of gear! :)

[@DrummerDanVa]

They are not cheap but I got one for the cymbal stand attached to my bass drum mount on my Catalina Club kit. Before CRS hitting the bass drum you could hear the cymbal vibrate and hitting the cymbal there was a sound that the bass drum mic was picking up as the sound reverberated in the bass drum. After installing the CRS I am not hearing either sound. I believe it solved my problem.

[@RecordingDrumsWithBrad]

That's fantastic! In the follow up video I just released I mounted a cymbal stand to the bass drum and I noticed that when I was using a felt pad or a cympad that the vibration from the cymbal was making its way all the way to the bass drum pedal. When I put the CRS mount on the stand I didn't feel the vibration at all. I 100% agree with you, problem solved!

[@777ikram]

The upper range of the cymbals frequency range had a clarity that wasn't there before. Similar to a tom mount bolted to the shell or a mount on the hoop or lugs. The cymbal is allowed to freely vibrate unrestricted producing a clearer tone. But that's what hearing Imho.

[@jacksonhall1446]

I like how much it cleaned up the bell. I wonder if it reduces how hard u have to hit a heavier cymbal to make it crash?

[@RecordingDrumsWithBrad]

It definitely reduces how hard you have to hit it. It really lets the cymbal sound like it's suspended. Pretty amazing little invention! I'm ordering more for my other cymbals soon.

[@telsonalves8060]

Feliz Ano Novo para você.

[@RecordingDrumsWithBrad]

Happy New Year!!

[@Onyxaxe]

The ride definitely sounded brighter and more open like others said, it wasn't washier though which is surprising. I'd personally invest in them just because you said they might help with cymbal cracking. Cymbals are not cheap and I like the idea of a lil more suspension under them.

[@Re5M4n]

Great vid, thanks! I did want to look into these Cymbal-Holders for a long time. But: we can clearly see the rubber washers under the Ride Cymbal! Having experimented with these myself a lot, i wonder if they make comparison a bit difficult? To my experience they reduce sustain a lot! Maybe try this again with felt washers, which are much more common to the most drummers? Again: thanks a lot for your great effort!

[@RecordingDrumsWithBrad]

I didn't even think about that! You're absolutely right. I've been using cympads for so long I didn't even consider using felt pads. I believe the cympads are made of foam so I'm not sure how much of a difference there is between foam and rubber. Either way I'm thinking a video showing how each one sounds, felt, rubber, foam, and finally the Cymbal Resonance System, could be a nice comparison. Thank you for checking out the video and for your thoughts! I'll try to get that video out soon. :)

[@georgebenson3826]

ASSUMING ALL YOUR CONTROLS WERE EXACT THERE SEEMS TO BE A LITTLE MORE RING WITH THE GADGET, AND PROBABLY MORE NATURAL FEEL IN PLAYING.

[@RecordingDrumsWithBrad]

I did my very best to make sure everything was the same when testing everything out. The follow up video is out now and I really made sure that everything was the same. :)

[@TruthSayer5589]

Thank you for your video. I’ve been curious about CRS for a while. Curiosity satisfied. CRS definitely sounds better.

[@RecordingDrumsWithBrad]

I'm with you! Like I said in the video, I won't play my cymbals without them! :)

[@theflint7692]

the ride sounds more "glassy" with the CRS. it's night and day, like a whole new cymbal, to my ears

[@RecordingDrumsWithBrad]

That's what I'm hearing too! :)

[@RimShot_Studio]

They definitely have a lot more sustain and a brighter/glassy sound. Plus, to my ears Paiste have always had that kind of sound to me. However, in recording it seems more and more that the cymbals are the hardest to control for mixing. Many use ribbon mics for that and EQ. If you can cut that out the source then that wouldn't be needed maybe. So it may not work for recording in some instances or music but i does add a beautiful sustain and top end. Maybe for darker sounding cymbals? Great video.

[@RecordingDrumsWithBrad]

Thanks for checking out the video and great comment! Personally I think they work great for both live and recording. They simply make the cymbals sound they're best. Mixing cymbals can be tricky but I haven't found any additional challenges when I added the cymbal resonance system. :)

[@joc8]

Interesting video, I'd never heard of them before watching this, from the comments they are expensive. To my ears, the ride cymbal was alot brigher with them fitted...which maybe you want, or maybe you don't. I use 'No Nuts' sleeves with felt under the cymbals on rides, crashes, and chinas, makes changing easy, and I think reduces pressure on the top. Anyway, I enjoyed the post, thank you.

[@RecordingDrumsWithBrad]

Thanks for checking out the video! I've been meaning to order a set of the type of sleeves you use. It definitely would save some time on changing out cymbals, which I do often. Thanks again!

[@zsombortoman]

To me there was a definite change in sound not only in pitch and sustain but to me they sounded more open. With the side by side comparison i felt like the ride had a much bigger space or presence so to speak. Regardless, i’ve never heard about this product before but i really like the sound of it on the ride. It’s also important to add though that it is not wrong or right or better or worse, it’s a difference in sound and a tool to use.

[@RecordingDrumsWithBrad]

Absolutely spot on!

[@MusicandTractors]

I tell you where one of these might be a good idea. I sometimes mount my ride or a crash to my kick if I’m in tight places or just want a minimal set up. But every time you hit the kick you can hear the cymbal a little bit. I wonder if these would eliminate that. Would love to see a video on that!

[@RecordingDrumsWithBrad]

Thanks, Jason! Appreciate your thoughts! I'm planning on doing a follow up video and seeing if the CRS mount can eliminate the vibration caused by mounting a tom on a cymbal stand. I'm not sure if I have a cymbal stand that I can mount on my bass drum though. If I do I will definitely include it in the follow up video! Thanks again! :)

[@Philtoid]

Its a very subtle difference, one I doubt you would hear in a full band mix

[@RecordingDrumsWithBrad]

Thanks for checking out the video and your comment. Something to consider. A bunch of subtle differences such as the sticks you use, wood tip vs nylon, and adding things like the CRS to your setup, can add up to an overall better sound. The added benefit of the cymbal being a little less likely to crack is another bonus. Just my opinion. :)

[@batwithglasses]

There definitely is a difference in sustain and pitch/clarity with those do-dads, the all important "but" would be is this attainable by other means as well? ie: rubber cymbal washers rather than felt, lighter cymbal stands etc? I remember using Aquarian cymbal springs in the early 80s with similar results in sound and sustain..These do-dads are impressive, but unless I received them as a gift, I'm not sure I'd shell out the dough.

[@RecordingDrumsWithBrad]

There is a difference with this system that, for me, makes sense. There are ways to optimize your cymbal sound without the use of the CRS but I find the system to be so well done it's hard to ignore. Once you try them it's hard to go back. Just my opinion. Appreciate your thoughts. :)

[@batwithglasses]

@@RecordingDrumsWithBrad Must start to drop man hints to my wife, birthdays in the wings😉👍

[@elithepitbulldog2209]

Definitely cleans the sound up by reducing cymbal stand hum. Sound engineers and microphones will love them

[@RecordingDrumsWithBrad]

Yep, 100% agree with you!

[@kartoffelknorkator4970]

Could you measure the sustain length? Thanks!!! ❤

[@RecordingDrumsWithBrad]

Yes. I'll be doing another video soon. :)

[@frozd58]

Gavin Harrison is using them so i guess they are worth the investment :-) . Not sure i understand why you would increase the sustain of crash cymbals though. Usually you want them out of the way quickly in the mix . For a ride , this is different and the ride does sound richer to my ears . They might also reduce the risk of cracking cymbals if you are a heavy hitter or if you hit them wrongly .

[@RecordingDrumsWithBrad]

Indeed, if Gavin likes them who am I to argue? Haha. It's an interesting thing when you think about it. With the CRS in place it's really not increasing the sustain but rather allowing the cymbal to resonate as it was meant to. And I agree with you about the added benefit of reducing the risk of damaging the cymbal. A very nice bonus! :)

[@patrickfouhy9102]

My wife bought me some of them for Chrstmas as well! haha. I've only played with them a little bit since getting them. Haven't had a chance to totally A/B them in terms of how they effect the cymbals themselves, but I have noticed that they do reduce the ring of the cymbal stands. Yes, cymbal stands to create sound, they are hollow tubes after all. They have also lowered the sympathetic vibrations to the cymbals. My toms are mounted to cymbal stands, so when I hit my toms there is always some energy making it's way to the cymbals, these have gotten rid of that. Granted, could anyone hear that anyway? Probably not. But I have done recordings where the vibrations of the cymbal stand did cause issues, and this would have been very helpful. *watching this at home, not on my studio speakers* - Watching your video, I certainly noticed that there was a dip in the lower frequencies, really cleans up the sound of the cymbal actually. I have that same cymbal I believe. (22" 2002) and when I record it I always do some cutting of the low end. This seems to do that naturally, so that's pretty cool.

[@RecordingDrumsWithBrad]

Nice! Always great when we get gear for Christmas! I'm actually planning on doing a follow up video to show how much the CRS mount reduces the vibration when mounting a tom to a cymbal stand. A very nice cymbal you have there, I've wanted a 22" version for awhile, the 24" in this video is a crash and it can be a bit overwhelming at times. Love it as a ride though! Congrats on the new gear! I'll be doing the follow up video today and uploaded it first thing tomorrow. :)

[@Lumerdrums]

I think this is worth buying, not just for sound purpose but for less damage to the cymbal. I wonder how it changes the feel on the hit. have to give it a try

[@RecordingDrumsWithBrad]

The cymbals with CRS in place feel a little softer to play. It's not a massive difference but it's there. It's one of the reasons I will no longer play my cymbals without the CRS in place. When you get them let me know how they work for you. :)

[@GlennWilsonDrums]

What is that 2002? Sounds fantastic 👍 Could mainly hear a change in pitch with AirPod pros on.

[@RecordingDrumsWithBrad]

The 2002 is a 24" Crash. I mainly use it as a ride. I have an actual ride showing up on Thursday. A 22" Paiste Modern Essentials ride. When it gets here the 24" crash will be used primarily as a crash. It's one of my favorite cymbals.

[@GlennWilsonDrums]

Yeah It's a ripper. Thanks for the info 🙏 @@RecordingDrumsWithBrad

[@ChrisWhittenMusic]

One of the biggest things for me is that CRS completely eliminates any noise or rattle from the stand. I use modern DW stands, but the plastic sleeve or base does sometimes buzz, which CRS completely cleans out.

[@menriquez89]

Imagine paying an arm and a leg for DW stands and they have issues that require you to spend even more money. What a scam.

[@ChrisWhittenMusic]

@@menriquez89 You don’t notice it playing live, but I do a lot of sampling and any metallic hum is a no-no

[@menriquez89]

@@ChrisWhittenMusic $180 - $250 cymbal stand- no good in the studio. DW is so overrated.

[@ChrisWhittenMusic]

@@menriquez89 Disagree. I’ve used them for 30 years. Most cymbal stands can have a slight rattle or hum in critical situations (sampling).

[@RecordingDrumsWithBrad]

First, thank you for being here! Love your work. :) The reduction of noise that normally comes from my stands (also DW) was an added bonus that I did not expect. I wish that I had talked about and demonstrated that in this video. Perhaps I should make another video. Thanks again, have a fantastic day!

[@mikosoft]

Apparently the stand doesn't resonate anymore which causes the lower "hum" to go away, thus the cymbal sounding brighter and cleaner. Interesting.

[@RecordingDrumsWithBrad]

Exactly!

[@waltgdrums1]

I thought with the CRS in place the ride lost the nice wash underscoring the stick strikes. Perhaps you might desire less fullness and more ping while riding in which case I could see this as an option.

[@RecordingDrumsWithBrad]

That's interesting because to me it had the opposite affect. :)

[@Miloshe71]

This is an interesting idea. I personally don’t need it but some people might be really particular about the sound difference.

[@RecordingDrumsWithBrad]

When I first heard about them I was intrigued. I'm always searching for ways to improve or alter sounds in the studio. For me CRS is a great way to do that. A way to easily get a cymbal to sound as if you were holding it with one finger. No more cymbal stand noise or anything else getting in the way of the cymbals natural sound. It truly is a remarkable piece of gear. :)

[@joshuadillon4396]

To me, at first I didn’t hear any sustain difference and still if there was it seems quite minimal in a mix. I did hear something in the comparison. The new system makes the cymbals sound brighter/ clearer. In this instance the 2002 series is already a pretty bright cymbal so do you need it/. Up to you. I would say one cool added benefit to this system is to be able to move your cymbal extensed arm over more but still use a tight angle because now you have more room between where the cymbal meets and it hanging down towards that extended arm.

[@RecordingDrumsWithBrad]

Absolutely! Another benefit. A little more flexibility with placement. :)

[@jwillydrums9982]

I did notice you lose the vibrations coming off the cymbal stand when using the CRS which can be a good thing! It's eliminating the "wong" sound after smacking a cymbal and creating unnecessary vibrations when the cymbal is traditionally on the stand. There is not as much stand rattle and vibration coming through the microphone with the CRS.

[@RecordingDrumsWithBrad]

Exactly! The "wong" sound that you described is one of the worst sounds to me. The biggest example of that sound can be heard when you test out cymbals at the store. I think those cymbal arms that are attached to most cymbal displays...the worst. Anyway, totally agree with you. Thanks for your comment!

[@Slayne-sq4yo]

I could hear a difference as some others have said. Now am curious about how it would work with cympads as well as felts, before investing on them.

[@RecordingDrumsWithBrad]

You're absolutely right. I didn't consider using felt because I've been so used to using the Cympads. In this video the examples without CRS are with the Cympads in place. I don't know if that helps you decide or not. Just giving you the info. I appreciate you checking out the video! :)

[@djyeah-nah9781]

Interesting idea. I'd need to try in person and with some cymbals that arent 2002s (cause they're not for me).

[@RecordingDrumsWithBrad]

Let me know how it goes when you try them out with your cymbals. What type of cymbals do you play?

[@toddcooper5781]

CRS is badass

[@RecordingDrumsWithBrad]

Agreed!!

[@charlieskelhorn]

Interesting, it has me thinking is about cymbal weights. How would you know a person selling a jazz ride isn't using a CRS system. The pitch change is very noticeable and that may lead to you purchasing and receiving something you don't like the sound of, as you scratch your head wondering if it was the audio or incorrect weight haha. Maybe I'm talking rubbish but I can see its advantage in recording. A comparison of playing with/without in a live situation would be interesting.

[@max.bezard]

Hi. Is the distance of over-heads the same between the two takes? I notice a différence in the medium fq (a little brighter in medium with CRS) but I can't say if the reason is due to this difference in height of the Paiste compared to the microphones or generated by this system. In the over hand: it seem natural sustain is longer because cymbal is isolated from support.

[@michaelgehringmusic8440]

Does it sound different? Yes, is it better? That is debatable. I am assuming your mic placement was adjusted otherwise small variations can cause different frequencies to be excited.

[@RecordingDrumsWithBrad]

I measured the mic placement to insure everything was the same for both tests.

[@dalezjc]

There is definitely a difference in the sound of each, but without knowing how you mic'd the cymbals makes it harder to evaluate.

[@RecordingDrumsWithBrad]

Two spaced pair overhead microphones (WA-47jr) 42" from the center of the snare. The overhead on the ride cymbal side is 28" from the bell of the ride cymbal and the hi-hat side overhead is 48" from the bell of the ride in both examples. The interface is a UA Apollo x8p and I'm using Unison Preamps.

[@nhmaze]

1:38 ride crs 2:35 ride felt

[@SonOfSusan]

I hear exactly the same differences through my studio monitors as you in this video, however, I'm using Zildjian L80s, and the booming and rumbling from the stands is making them unplayable, so I'm looking at the CRS to cut that down or, preferably, out completely. Riding on the ride right now quickly makes a droning low-mid sound which sounds like a tumble dryer running right next to me, it's absolutely horrible, and frankly, if I can't get rid of this, I'm quitting drums, because I've spent a fortune on cymbals, heads, and all sorts, to try and stop neighbours from complaining, and to try and make my acoustic kit as low volume as humanly possible, and all these VSTs sound miles better now, so, if this system doesn't work for me, my kit will go up for sale, because I'm too old and tired to be worrying about this any longer, lol! So, with that said, I bloody well hope this system works!!!

[@RecordingDrumsWithBrad]

First, I hope you don't quit drumming! It's too much fun to quit! I think the CRS mounts will help. Quick question about the ride cymbal stand. Is the ride cymbal stand also holding up a tom or floor tom?

[@jhardy0786]

To me, it sounded like you lost sustain and residence, and that it muffled the symbol sound

[@RecordingDrumsWithBrad]

Interesting. Do you mind if I ask what you were listening with? What type of speakers?

[@eddiemook84]

I here the mid range washyness goes away. I’m a zildjian guy id like to here it on them. Overall would I invest in them highly doubtful. Drumming 45 years. Peace and God Bless

[@RecordingDrumsWithBrad]

Thanks, Eddie! A great way to test how the CRS mount will work for your cymbals is to place the cymbal on your finger instead of a stand and tap the cymbal with a stick. Sound wise it's pretty close. :)

[@Savantjazzcollective]

I think that you must of switched sticks by accident ? the pitch different cannot be explained by the system from what I am aware of. More sustain yes, but nothing we will hear in a recording.

[@RecordingDrumsWithBrad]

In my last video I wanted to know how much of a difference it made going from a 5B to a 7A. It definitely made a difference as one would expect it to. In this video I stayed with the same pair of sticks on purpose so we could hear the difference the CRS made. Same stick, same cymbal, no eq. I'm just as surprised as you at how much of a difference it made. As far as hearing it in a recording, I suppose that depends on the music being recorded, the drummer, and the engineer.

[@MarcoPolux]

I believe it is not necesary but I need one of those 🤓👍

[@DrummerTheAndre]

There's a definite difference in brightness. couldn't tell much about the sustain, but logically I would assume that would increase as well. I don't foresee any increase in longevity for the cymbals, if you crash them, the edge will flex and the bronze will work harden over time resulting in cracks. it's inevitable. If you're after brighter tone, great, run these things or get different cymbals. But you'll never notice sustain changes since the music proceeding the hit will mask the sustain of the cymbal. It's gonna get drowned out by the rest of the kit anyway. A curious invention none the less.

[@JerridFoiles]

I've never heard of these things, and I was hoping you could spend the time you spent talking about what your plans are on that video you could have introduced me to them. Guess I'll search the web...

[@kddrums85]

He left a link in the description for the CRS product.

[@RecordingDrumsWithBrad]

The first thing my girlfriend said to me when watching the video was "you're assuming everyone has already heard of these things". So you aren't alone. My apologies. I was thinking that the sound comparison would do all the heavy lifting with regards to explaining what they are. The link is in the description. A ton of great information on there. Thanks for checking out the video. :)

[@JerridFoiles]

@@RecordingDrumsWithBrad yea, I figured it out now, but initially I thought it was a special microphone or something since the title implied recording drums.

[@chase6428]

I feel like this wouldnt really prevent cymbols breaking at all, it does nothing to mitigate the radial forces (towards the hole) that typically break cymbols. Like this willl not save your cymbols if your still hitting them wrong or too hard.

[@theguy4361]

I like the idea. But it's just way to expensive for what it is. The sound difference is anecdotal at best when taken in a full mix. What's good is that they can save a bit the cymbal from a (bad) hard hit, but that's just not worth the price tag

[@RecordingDrumsWithBrad]

They are pricey but worth every penny. I sure do wish I had them before I broke 2 of the most expensive cymbals I've ever owned. At the same gig! Haha! $800 down the drain in a single show.

[@dowskilew234]

way different , it lets the cymbal breath and opens it up , im hearing more body to it. same thing goes for drums\, when you have a good mounting system

[@RecordingDrumsWithBrad]

Spot on! That's a great comparison! Very similar to the when RIMS first hit the market. Everyone was calling them a gimmick or a gadget until they became industry standard.

[@HenryHobson-uc2bk]

I was disappointed somewhat, thinking AHA is this going to be some sort of new cymbal trigger that could reproduce in fine detail the sonic characteristics of cymbal samples, for layering acoustic/electric sounds etc? But as for the product, it seems useful to pro drummers possibly, but at £70 each, doesnt float my boat. Thanks for doing the review though

[@RecordingDrumsWithBrad]

Hi Henry, thanks for your comment! I think the idea you have for a cymbal trigger needs to happen! Great idea!

[@NickHolum]

Reading comment section on drum videos reminds me why us drummers are always the butt of every musician joke. We are such idiots in the most embarrassingly predictable ways. There was obviously a sonic difference. I am positive if you put a spectral analyzer on the screen we could see the muddy low end disappear from the CRS tracks… which explains the moronic comments stating the CRS “adds” high frequencies and clarity. The CRS isn’t “adding” anything. We simply aren’t hearing the muddy low frequencies. Whether that’s the intention of the CRS is immaterial. The CRS track sounds “record ready” or pre-EQ’d. That’s certainly a cool thing imo. Personally, I was hoping to hear examples of whether the CRS helps with sympathetic vibrations… particularly in situations of shared Tom/cymbal stands, racks, etc. I would definitely buy a product that reduces those bad vibes.

[@RecordingDrumsWithBrad]

Haha! After reading the comments I've decided to make another video on the subject. There are few things that I missed, including sympathetic vibrations. Thanks for your comment! Much appreciated! :)

[@aholder4471]

I just cant think of when I want more sustain out of my cymbals, personally I want them to sound and then get out of the way. And low level wash never does anything good for the sound in my opinion, but thats my inner sound guy coming out in me. Big fat felt pads to take the cymbals, that's what I'm talking about

[@RecordingDrumsWithBrad]

Thank you, appreciate your thoughts! The reason I chose the biggest cymbal I have is show how much clarity there is when using the CRS mount. Low level hum usually comes from cymbal stands. Using the CRS mount, the cymbal stand hum is pretty much eliminated. For me, that makes mixing a lot easier. :)

[@gonzorudeboy]

There are some differences in pitch and timber. As for sustain not so much. But a thing that this thing might be really useful is decoupling the cymbal from the hardware. Some cymbal arms/stands can resonate to the cymbal in a unpleasing manner. Problem solved.

[@RecordingDrumsWithBrad]

Hi! Thanks for your comment! I'm planning on doing another video showing a few things I missed in this video. One of them being toms being mounted on cymbal stands. :)

[@donalddekay788]

Wow, I really didn't think there would be any difference, Man! was wrong

[@RecordingDrumsWithBrad]

I was surprised too! They do make a pretty big difference! :)

[@mpcvore]

In my opinion, this system is more of a gadget than a real sound enhancement. Even when listening through headphones, the difference is not obvious .... As for worrying about breaking the cymbals, personally I play them without hitting them with excessive force, they just rest on their stand with a plastic sleeve sticking out to prevent them from falling off if need be... In any case, and generally speaking in "pop rock" music, cymbals are under-mixed, especially the hi-hat. On the other hand, your snare drum sound is a real killer... !

[@RecordingDrumsWithBrad]

Thank you for your comment and the compliment on the sound of the snare! About CRS not making an obvious difference I have to respectfully disagree. To me the sound of the cymbal instantly sounds better. I'm able to hear the cymbal without anything getting in the way of the cymbals natural sound. How I mix them after I record depends on the track. Sometimes the only thing on the track, as far as percussion goes, is a cymbal. I need it to sound its very best and CRS helps with that. :)

[@mpcvore]

@@RecordingDrumsWithBrad maybe should i try it ? Anyway, the difference should be on the ride cymbla, i guess...

[@gameplayti2909]

Man... I prefer it without the CRS. Brightness is increased with CRS. That is just me. Either way, is a good tool to have in a studio.

[@RecordingDrumsWithBrad]

I agree with you that it is a great piece of gear to have in the studio, also live for the added cymbal protection. :)

[@baorozzo]

I hear the difference. My thoughts are that maybe they are working, but they are quite expensive. I have a drum set that has 2 rides, 5 or 6 crashes and 3 chinas. Can’t justify all of that money. Also they should aim at electronic drums, since usually everything is mounted on a rack, and cross-talking of cymbal pads and snare/tom pads happens all the time. This should avoid that to happen.

[@RecordingDrumsWithBrad]

Wow, that's a lot of cymbals! That could get very expensive. Maybe one or two here and there over time? I'm lucky to only have to get a few more. I know they work well eliminating vibration when a tom is mounted on a cymbal stands. I'll have to check the CRS website to see if they mention anything about electronic drum applications.

[@baorozzo]

For what I saw, they are not mentioning their product for that use.

[@nhmaze]

Actually loosing some stick attack when using it.

[@RecordingDrumsWithBrad]

Hmmm. I didn't notice that. I'll give it another listen with that in mind. Thanks for checking out the video! :)

[@timknevels9650]

The big difference I'm hearing is the wash of the cymbal. Myself, I prefer the sound without the gadget

[@RecordingDrumsWithBrad]

Thanks, Tim! It's not for everyone. Totally respect your opinion. :)

[@karlplaysdrums]

A small piece of foam under each stand foot.

[@RecordingDrumsWithBrad]

That is a wonderful studio trick that I used to use all the time. Works live too. The CRS eliminates the need for that. Also, even with the foam under the stands the cymbals stands would still absorb the vibration from the cymbal. It just wouldn't go into the floor, as much. Sincerely appreciated your comment, Karl! :)

[@stanfordkoch1271]

You hear the difference but for me not worth the price to buy them for my setups

[@RecordingDrumsWithBrad]

Appreciate your thoughts, Stanford. Thanks for checking it out! :)

[@mikeweiser2210]

There’s lots of recording studio hacks you can do to manipulate the source sound of cymbals or drums. Just have to find the right materials and experiment. For $80 a pop, I wouldn’t waste my time or money on this product

[@RecordingDrumsWithBrad]

Hi Mike, thanks for your comment. The studio hacks you mentioned are definitely valid. The CRS mount is a tool that can greatly reduce the need for those hacks. Saving time and money as well as potentially adding longevity to your cymbals is something that CRS brings to the table. And for me that is something to at least consider. Just my opinion.

[@rocketsauce5067]

Just a higher pitch with them.

[@RecordingDrumsWithBrad]

Hi, thanks for checking out the video and for leaving a comment. Appreciate you taking the time. To my ear the cymbal breathes a bit more. It feels a little softer to play them too. The added brightness that you mentioned is really just the cymbals natural sound coming through without it being dampened down by the felt pad as well as the low rumble being removed that the stand normally adds. Thanks again! :)

[@Ben-xg8hd]

I can't hear the difference

[@RecordingDrumsWithBrad]

Hi Ben! Can I ask what type of speakers you are listening to the examples with?

[@courtbeall7768]

I can detect a difference with my 69yr.old drummer ears.The thing is,it's not detectable to the untrained ears.For recording,it's definitely a big deal.

[@oldguitars]

A solution for a non-existent problem.

[@RecordingDrumsWithBrad]

Or the thing you never knew you needed. :)

[@justinreynolds3935]

Eehhh not really that noticeable. Even under mics. Grab a basic eq and cut some lows and annoying highs and half that unpleasant frequency is gone for free. I've seen these things and never really got it. Also like the 80 different drum muffling things now. Piece of gaff tape or those stick hands from dollar store have always worked.

[@RecordingDrumsWithBrad]

Thanks for your opinion. Totally appreciate your thoughts. I can say that hearing the natural sound of the cymbals without the stands getting into the mix has really been a game changer for me. :)

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