5 Minutes To A Better Mix: LCR Panning - TheRecordingRevolution.com

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Part 4 of 31 - In this video I cover the idea of LCR panning/mixing, a method of panning that I personally was NOT taught growing up in the recording world. It's different, but it rocks!
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@wickstorm_records
@wickstorm_records 8 жыл бұрын
Guys... After 15 years of mixing i've learned that there are no shortcuts or specific ways of making music. You make what you think sounds good and hopefully many others do too.
@BodyOfPlayMusic
@BodyOfPlayMusic 8 жыл бұрын
Subjective :) Always starting on a fresh canvas we all have the same potential essentially, just how we approach with our given experience, we all have something beautiful to offer :)
@BodyOfPlayMusic
@BodyOfPlayMusic 8 жыл бұрын
I direct myself though aesthetic and even symmetrical balance or simply pleasing to the ear at it's fullest in the soundscape, and even that's just my style, maybe people are more raw and authentic and strive through no grid, no synthetic work, just natural or abstract, and even no fancy effects, it's all fair game and subjective truly, we can just have an open mind and perspective about each others craft and how we deliver it through their eyes, anything can be "beautiful" and vice versa, MUCH LOVE AND KUDOS TO ALL THE ARTISTS AND PEOPLE WHO PAY ATTENTION TO ALL THE SUBTLEST DETAILS & CREATIVITY
@immadropthis
@immadropthis 7 жыл бұрын
it's true, but there ARE things which you shouldn't do, and the goal is to know what you shouldn't do and improvise what you can do..
@johnbake9304
@johnbake9304 6 жыл бұрын
true because people cant define what is a good mix. there is not a strong theory behind mixing, if you put 10 professionals engineers identifying what is a good mix out of for example 1000 mixes they are going to come up with very different opinions.
@MM-mq3rr
@MM-mq3rr 8 жыл бұрын
I really think this comment section is the best I have ever seen. No rude people, great conversations - people with experience who are spreading knowledge. I'm new to this channel and I love the spirit.
@BAwesomeDesign
@BAwesomeDesign 9 жыл бұрын
It's much better to think of separating instruments with *eq* than with panning, IMO. The whole idea of mixing in mono is directly related to L-C-R. There is no little speaker in the center; no little speaker at -48 L or -48R, no little speaker at -23 L and -23 R. The sounds can only come from two speakers (in stereo). This means that the frequencies that could mask each other *are still present and fighting each other even when you pan*, unless you pan hard L and hard R. The sounds coming from each track, if they mask each other, will continue to mask each other unless the tracks that mask each other are panned hard L and R because the frequencies from each must move the same physical speaker cones. If there is masking, you still get comb-filtering. This is why mixing in mono is key, because it forces you to use EQ for separation. Then, when all your tracks are playing nicely, you can pan things how you want and there won't be masking issues that you can't hear on other stereo systems. After that L-C-R simply is a great way to think about organizing the arrangement in that wider tracks (especially in choruses) sound more exciting than timidly panned mixes.
@lambd01d
@lambd01d 9 жыл бұрын
+BAwesomeDesign I find that mixing in mono is useful for panning too, as you can hear phase issues thatnot obvious in stereo as everything's collapsed. If 2 stereo tracks are fighting for space and phasing each other out, panning in mono sorts it out nicely. When you can hear both tracks in mono, you know you've got your panning right.
@laurynasgaidys7839
@laurynasgaidys7839 10 жыл бұрын
I'm using mono and LCR all the time. Those two techniques realy keeps my focus on depth.
@JayRDucer
@JayRDucer 13 жыл бұрын
bruh i've been messing with mixing for 6 yrs real seriously and i've improved the sound of my mixes with just the first 3 days of your tips. i thank you, Be Blessed bruh
@TheNexzus
@TheNexzus 13 жыл бұрын
To someone who is new to the art of mixing I can't thank you enough for these great videos.
@richardpell
@richardpell 8 жыл бұрын
I really like this bit of information in addition to the mono mixing idea you just sent out in the email. Mixes have opened way up but balancing everything in mono and then using LCR once the balancing is done.
@SilentGloves
@SilentGloves 12 жыл бұрын
Thanks for these videos.... even useful for someone who's been producing for 17 years. I've learned a lot of this by trial and error over the years, but you provide good insight and perspective. Thanks!
@BeyondtheEndMetal
@BeyondtheEndMetal 13 жыл бұрын
Graham...I'm LOVING your tips...even the ones that I know already are still really well explained, i've been mixing for about 3 years now..and haven't ever heard of lcr....pretty cool idea...i might try it on my next new project
@mendellee
@mendellee 13 жыл бұрын
just stumbled across this series, grokking as much as i can. thanks. this concept is interesting. there's something counterintuitive about it for me because i listen to music sometimes with only one ear in - top two scenarios is 1) at the poker table when i want to have some music to listen to but also want to pay attention to the action, and 2) when i'm walking around and don't want to completely block out surrounding noise. maybe argument for me to listen in mono.
@jrhager84
@jrhager84 13 жыл бұрын
@itoako61 Typically you can do one of two things with multiple sources "competing" for the same range: 1. Pan it away (the easiest and best option most of the time) 2. EQ differently (rhythm guitar darker, lead guitar brighter with less lows etc.) Also, check your panning in mono, and pan around until they "divide". You'll hear the frequencies nulling out if they're competing too much. When you find the 'sweet spot', it'll jump out at you. Hope that helps!
@promoted738
@promoted738 11 жыл бұрын
When I'm driving and listening to older music from the mid 60's and early 70's I play with the L/R pan control in the car and it's quite amazing what you discover - old Beatles and Stones tracks especially. Sometimes the entire drum kit is on just one side which breaks all the rules of contemporary mixing - yet it still works. The LCR concept is one of many and should not be excluded, and like any other concept, not the only one you use either. Choices are good.
@Cydux
@Cydux 13 жыл бұрын
Thank you VERY much for these tips. Honestly, all the other tutorials on the 'tube are pretty bad compared to these. Simple, straightforward and on point!
@skvello
@skvello 8 жыл бұрын
My previous teacher told me that when you PANing, you should imagine a band on a stage where you (mixing engineer) sit right in the center in front if the band and then you should PAN individual instruments corresponding to their actual position on the stage - with the exception of the bass (which usually is in the center) and drums (where individual drums might be a bit spread out). Frankly, I cannot imagine toms being PANed to hard L/F - and that is what I personally didn't like about the sound of this LCR panning. I can imagine though using this technique as a starting exercise before doing the proper panning. Helpful video. Thanks Graham.
@ironfistband
@ironfistband 8 жыл бұрын
Martin Velicky that's how I started out. It sent me down a course of frustration for years. Once I started using a more LCR approach it was a huge step forward. What graham says here pushes me even further than where I've been. This along with mono mixing are going to be my go to to get things cleaner. Then I can go back and tweak my mix with subtle panning should I choose to. I had to break that "live on stage" mentality to really get my mixes clean. For me it was bad advice.
@anointed01
@anointed01 13 жыл бұрын
I`m definitely trying this in my next mix. Thanks a lot Graham. Keep on doin' these tuts, they're great.
@jasperdunn
@jasperdunn 8 жыл бұрын
you need more views, this is excellent! Haven't seen this demonstrated anywhere, thanks!
@MatttMan
@MatttMan 13 жыл бұрын
Thanks for doing all of these!! I have learned SO MUCH from You!!!!
@Starchaser63
@Starchaser63 10 жыл бұрын
I pan everything either hard left or right except for Lead vocal, Bass, and Drums, it's the best thing I ever did and transformed my recordings. I tested this by playing a Cat Stevens album " tea for the tillerman " and they sounded identical in recording levels.
@NavneetRao
@NavneetRao 13 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot for spreading the knowledge! I know we can all become better and make better music when we all share our experience and learn from each others'! Appreciate the hard work you're putting into this!
@ManuelMelo
@ManuelMelo 12 жыл бұрын
Thx, thats true , after this , i went to my mix and tried it, put in mono and in fact , because what i panned hard right and left was important pieces , and they are very much equalized and volume quite high , it didnt lose almost the importance and relevance in the mix . THX We ear so many things in the net , we don't know what to rely on .
@recordingrevolution
@recordingrevolution 13 жыл бұрын
@avafreak252 Her name is Annie Lawrence. Song is called "Find Rest". Unreleased at the moment.
@QuantikMusic
@QuantikMusic 13 жыл бұрын
Hmm very interesting method. There are things I don't like about it but it has given me a lot of think about in terms of panning. Great advice anyway.
@recordingrevolution
@recordingrevolution 13 жыл бұрын
@romodrummerjz That's mostly an issue of mic placement when recording. Trying to keep the back of the snare mic pointed at the hi hat. You can also use small foam baffles that clip on behind the snare mic for isolation.
@vyero
@vyero 12 жыл бұрын
that's the fun of this technique!... you discover 3 versions of the mix within the same song... the stereo and the 2 mono mixes... :)
@drakkula77
@drakkula77 13 жыл бұрын
man....excellent job...clear explanation n great music playing..cheers!
@Elnufo
@Elnufo 13 жыл бұрын
this tip defenetely is making sense. i mean, why should i spend hours and hours on placing all tracks in the stereofield when- in the end- noone will be honoring it? This LCR option can speed up that whole mixing process significantly. Thanks a lot Mr. Graham Sir :-)
@purity91
@purity91 10 жыл бұрын
What a beautiful ref!
@PhreezyOnTheBeat
@PhreezyOnTheBeat 12 жыл бұрын
i've put a lot of thought into the idea of LCR panning.....i've come to the conclusion however that it's a disadvantage to mix with the overall concept of LCR.....mid range panning is crucial when you consider blending instruments i.e. (frequency/timbre ratios of each speaker Left and Right) for example I ALWAYS pan my kick and bass opposite of each other but only slightly...i want one speaker to deliver more punch and one to deliver more deep legato bass hits while still blending in the field
@vyero
@vyero 12 жыл бұрын
Interesting subject... I used to mix like that by intuition a long time ago... I'm now wondering why I stopped doing it... Actually I love to hear songs from the 60's where you notice that the mixing process was LR only!.. Mostly due to the birth of stereo recordings and the consoles at the time that had L-R switches instead of pan knobs (and the faders were actually levers) ..So the result was a double-mono where each side was completely different.
@Saskiequelle
@Saskiequelle 10 жыл бұрын
5:05 It seems to me that you are describing all the benefits for a engineer, producer, mixer. What about the listener. Do they appreciate LCR Panning?
@recordingrevolution
@recordingrevolution 13 жыл бұрын
@premium518 Well if you have only two toms then LEFT and RIGHT is all you need to hear the roll. If you have three toms, then pan the middle tom center. Simple enough.
@miroslaw7
@miroslaw7 12 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video Graeme. Little add. - It's important to know that panning hard L R can cause phase problems, Especially when stereo image widener plugin is applied on Stereo Master Bus or even on individual channels like keys/pads which are usually quite wide already . They would simply disappear from the mix. I did that mistake before. What if Mastering Engineer wanted to wide up your mix? He would be limited if you push it too far. So I'm not a big fan of panning Hard LR. Peace for all !!
@dmassive
@dmassive 10 жыл бұрын
For this technique, I think you need similar instruments to fill both sides ¿? which increments hard work with EQ frequencies, otherwise, with different instruments, you will get something like a ping pong effect, very annoying when using headphones.
@recordingrevolution
@recordingrevolution 13 жыл бұрын
@AllysDad2008 Yes, those consoles with only the 3 pan positions! Glad you're going to try it again just for my sake :-) It's grown on me for sure.
@lotsoflovefrombobrawveganm9304
@lotsoflovefrombobrawveganm9304 7 жыл бұрын
Love this. I'm gonna try it now.
@AlvinYapVFX
@AlvinYapVFX 13 жыл бұрын
Gonna try it on my next mix! Thanks for the tip!
@jrhager84
@jrhager84 13 жыл бұрын
This goes back to the day when mixers only had a Left/Center/Right pan switch. It's a great start, but mono referencing is vastly more important regarding panning IMO...
@ramabima
@ramabima 12 жыл бұрын
I'll try it. Thank you very much for your time. :)
@MartinWeeksmw
@MartinWeeksmw 9 жыл бұрын
Quick question as I'm confused a bit. In other videos you stress doing essential mixes always in mono so as to get a really good balance of levels and for the same reasons you mentioned in this video. I've also from study and lots of tutorials been told that when you do pan it affects the balance of EQ as higher frequencies may start to jump out. So could you elaborate a bit on the processes (steps 1,2,3,4 etc) for combining both techniques? Both make sense but seem to be the opposite approaches. Thanks Graham. Marty
@xMasterxRazorx
@xMasterxRazorx 13 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't try this in a live setting, but this makes a lot of sense for recording.
@poinkero
@poinkero 13 жыл бұрын
@recordingrevolution wow, thanks man...I think I would do this temporarily when I'm mixing, so that I'll get everything to their correct volume, it would be easier to spot an intrument with wrong levels with this technique, then when I'm sure all the levels are correct, I'll then pan all them tracks across the stereo field..
@taylorofficial3297
@taylorofficial3297 8 ай бұрын
Interesting.. And how does a mix like this sound in mono ?
@lukeotwell3296
@lukeotwell3296 9 жыл бұрын
Definitely works for this style or recording with so many layers/tracks to act as counterparts. Would it work for a three piece? Ask Albini. The bass sounds a little naked to me. I've been messing around with a compromise on a current project where things are either panned hard, at 50, or center. Kind of like an L mL C mR R. Also Andrew Schepps (Adele, JAY Z, RHCP) is somewhat of a proponent of LCR being popularized. Funny thing is he does it out of necessity. The panning pot on his console works peculiarly. He talks about it in a Pensado's place interview. Check it out and listen to some of his tunes.
@mrconcept
@mrconcept 13 жыл бұрын
"goal is to hear everything in the mix well" - for me ive always found that the best mixes reveal new things the more you listen to them, thats partially acheived through a full stereo field. For me lcr mixes are too straightforward, they also sound lopsided to my ears. Ive yet to hear a track mixed lcr that sounds full but i suspect thats because a lot of guys new to sound mixing have jumped head-first on the lcr bandwagon. Im not saying its right or wrong but to me it doesn't sound as good.
@Seamalicous
@Seamalicous 12 жыл бұрын
My guess would be: One hard left, one slightly less left, same on the right (try and make the lower toms on opposite sides from one another same with the highs) then the tom with middle frequency can sit in the middle. Could be wrong, but might be worth a go.
@recordingrevolution
@recordingrevolution 13 жыл бұрын
@jimmorrikun I couldn't offer you an opinion on that my friend. If I had to say anything it would be that it's not as extreme of a thing as some are thinking it is, simply a clearing up of the middle a bit more, so I'm not sure if it would have much different of an effect with Mid/Side. But I'm no expert :-)
@trackmedixuk
@trackmedixuk 13 жыл бұрын
thanks Graham, i will try this
@sirvaant
@sirvaant 13 жыл бұрын
Love how you keep it Jesus mane. He's coming soon get ready!
@inlikeflynnproductions
@inlikeflynnproductions 12 жыл бұрын
CLA uses this technique. I think he may have mixed a song or two that had a little bit of success. Music is art and there are no rules to art. I'm loving these videos. I'll try out these techniques use what works for me and not use what doesn't work for me. Many a guitarist have developed tones that are unique simply by running thier signal chain in a "wrong" way. Just my 2 cents.
@izraulhidashi4323
@izraulhidashi4323 8 жыл бұрын
Orchestral Placement Maps work great for starting points.. But I always slightly pan kicks hats and snares anywhere between 10 and 3. then bass 11.30 or 1.15. I find it sounds way better not to have anything dead center. Even if its just slightly, like 11.55 to 12.10. Try it. See you what you think. Sometimes I throw wide binaural filter post too.
@demoras
@demoras 13 жыл бұрын
Ooh. Interesting. I'll try this! I tend to be a little reserved in terms of panning, and my sounds often blend together too much.
@triclops8
@triclops8 13 жыл бұрын
hi graham,thank you so much for doing these vids! will they stay on your channel even after May for watching again in future?
@MattDiamondMDE
@MattDiamondMDE 10 жыл бұрын
Great videos ! Thank you
@LoveLiveLoyalty
@LoveLiveLoyalty 8 жыл бұрын
That song sounds good!
@danfuerthgillis4483
@danfuerthgillis4483 8 жыл бұрын
Due to Reapers out standing routing I actually send my vocal pre fader post FX to 2 Buses of delay and reverb and then in the main Vocal you set the phase button and now when youbring down the Main vocal fader the Vocal slips inside the Reverb and not on top of it. I hate a vocal standing on top of a reverb as that is now how a Vocal sounds in a room!!. I use this trick of Phase Dry cancellation in order to put the Vocal where I want either on top of the Reverb or push it inside the Reverb.
@JimijaymesProductions
@JimijaymesProductions 12 жыл бұрын
There are plugins to get around this though and should really be experimented with because stereo keyboard and such can be too wide.
@ElfPrincessHarley
@ElfPrincessHarley 13 жыл бұрын
Amazing tip! Thanks!
@LaszloGalosi
@LaszloGalosi 13 жыл бұрын
And what about mono-compability? I know these days, is not much of an issue, but I've been thaught that always check your mixes in mono. And also, If you balance your tracks in mono, dead center, eq, comp etc. and then place them in the stereo field, it should be much balanced, clear. This mix sounds to me a bit of a clutter especially in the sides. I have never heard this LCR thing yet. Anyway the series and tips are great, always watch them. Thanks.
@error068
@error068 11 жыл бұрын
i think it will work better for hip hop music, where you have beat, bass,sample or lead and vocals in center and some additional instruments panned
@tmussOfficial
@tmussOfficial 11 жыл бұрын
Hi Graham, ive tried this method with some of my mixes and to tell you the truth its sounds a bit weird and a bit extreme at times, unless i duplicate each track and pan each track hard left and right it then sounds pretty good, is this method something you would recommend ?
@certifyme1003xs
@certifyme1003xs 9 жыл бұрын
Awesome!very helpful
@avafreak252
@avafreak252 13 жыл бұрын
Awesome, will definitely try this in the next mix. Also can I ask who the artist/song is?
@TheCheez2112
@TheCheez2112 11 жыл бұрын
I became fascinated by the idea, so I tried it for myself on old mixes. Then during the next 3 days I started changing the panning for the tracks which I thought were panned hard LR too extreme. Eventually everything was back were it was before. It can sound ok in the living room when you're walking around, but listening with headphones is highly annoying
@Phi1618033
@Phi1618033 12 жыл бұрын
The problem with hard panning is what if someone is standing next to the right speaker, then they'll likely only hear what's coming out of the right and may possibly be missing half of the song! That's why I rarely pan hard left or right. I will usually go 80/20 or at most 90/10.
@tronics666
@tronics666 10 жыл бұрын
Interesting experiment. Doesn't this make the mix sound thinner?
@alvagoldbook2
@alvagoldbook2 11 жыл бұрын
I rather like LCR, especially when I'm mixing a classic punk rock kind of song, but you have to be careful because while it will make your mix feel like it has more spread, it can make the center sound rather empty and lifeless. Hard panning is great for distorted guitars, but you gotta be careful with it on a lot of other things.
@serif491
@serif491 11 жыл бұрын
LCR panning doesn't mean everything must be only left centre or right panned you can have one or two things in what are called panning pockets and your left and right don't have to be 100% to the side, in my DAW you can't make things 100% you can make them 80% or 65% it all depends on the song and personal taste
@SteveBjorck
@SteveBjorck 11 жыл бұрын
Many of the "holy grail" recording consoles only had pan buttons for L, C, R, rather than pan knobs, so the people bitching about how stupid this is need to listen to the thousands of classic albums recorded this way.
@kenimichaels
@kenimichaels 9 жыл бұрын
+Steve Bjorck right on bro nicey said.
@BRBWaffles
@BRBWaffles 8 жыл бұрын
You're appealing to antiquity. Just because something is old does not mean that it was made well or competently. There are many classic albums that sound like shit that are well below the standards of a bedroom studio nowadays.
@Giorgi.Japiashvili
@Giorgi.Japiashvili 7 жыл бұрын
That's why many of Beatles' tracks are unlistenable in headphones with some instruments panned out all the way to the left/right.
@Giorgi.Japiashvili
@Giorgi.Japiashvili 5 жыл бұрын
@Kevin Wayne WAT
@HiImBQ
@HiImBQ 4 жыл бұрын
@@Giorgi.Japiashvili To be honest: It is very hard, if not impossible, to balance everything for both headphones and speakers. I use applications, if I can, for listening with headphones that emulate speakers. Virtual speakers. Why? Because it's REALLY tiring to listen to hard pans. Our ears are just not made for this. What I'm getting at is: Essentially I would mix for speakers not headphones, in terms of panning at least, because that is the natural thing and emulate this when using headphones. There is no holy grail though, most people don't mind this panning in headphones, others do, many probably don't use tools like I do. It's also very subjective.
@StEvE1961able
@StEvE1961able 12 жыл бұрын
This is a really helpful series Graham, thanks! I note that your stereo tracks have 2 pan pots in ProTools. Being a Logic user, we only get one. How does panning far left & right become possible with just the one pan pot? Thanks!
@deathpoetquotin
@deathpoetquotin 12 жыл бұрын
Have you completed any mixes just using this technique?If so, could you please post an example?
@FistOfMichallin
@FistOfMichallin 10 жыл бұрын
Graham! What about instruments recorded in stereo? Say, if you record an acoustic guitar in stereo. You would more in likely keep it in the center, right?
@iammurphy
@iammurphy 10 жыл бұрын
It would be wise to keep them hard left and right so you get the full stereo effect.
@Clasam09
@Clasam09 13 жыл бұрын
When you used LCR and "exposed" your guitar imbalance, does your system take into account the whole 'centered sounds are 3dB louder in the center than when panned hard L or R' pan law?
@rahulranganath42
@rahulranganath42 10 жыл бұрын
Man i'm loving these Videos . Great resource . I tried LCR panning and while my mixes are definitely sounding a lot better and my brain has fewer pan positions to worry about . I've run into a snag . I have sections in the tracks that have 4 different guitar parts all playing at the same time . Note: these are not layers of one part they're entirely different musical parts . Normally I try to keep it minimal but the artist really nailed the chorus with these parts and I can't remove any of them they all sound great . However when I use LCR panning for the guitars in such section the over all phase correlation of the track gets pretty weak and I lose a lot of focus and punch . Has anyone else had similar problems ?? If so all help will be greatly appreciated Cheers
@Hexspa
@Hexspa 10 жыл бұрын
LCR is a great place to start but you might end up with the occasional mid-pan.
@rahulranganath42
@rahulranganath42 10 жыл бұрын
Will try it out . Thank you :)
@Badministrator
@Badministrator 13 жыл бұрын
I would say that the majority of people listen to music in headphones now which does put them exactly in the center.
@allkindsofthings673
@allkindsofthings673 7 жыл бұрын
maybe background vocals should be the only thing using the open field between center, hard left/right
@purecountry70
@purecountry70 9 жыл бұрын
Hello Graham , I bought a template at MixPro ,and I see a few things I've never seen, one is the Panning its a Box with a dot in it, I've never seen this. also in the Aux track with Reverb, has a rectangle which Looks like 4 or 5 meters. I was wondering, are there other things that that are new to Pro Tools.
@riddemption
@riddemption 12 жыл бұрын
What about things like horn sections? If I don't want to pan them in the middle (whe're they would stand in the way of the lead vocals) but divide them into hard left and hard right they're likely to fall apart and not sound like a tight section but individual instruments, you know what I mean? Thanks for your great videos.
@theaviary238
@theaviary238 7 жыл бұрын
Can you do a video on how to pan music that does not have vocals? Specifically post-rock.
@Soundpressurestudios
@Soundpressurestudios 7 жыл бұрын
Mix in mono first! Try to unveil each instrument or track space, sort of the mask and phase problems you may have, and then, pan the instruments as much as you like! No hard pan may be needed if each instrument is unmasked by another instrument! Clear mixes come from a balanced volume, eq and compression, without any mask freq. or phases! Peace!
@wuddeestudio4144
@wuddeestudio4144 7 жыл бұрын
Hi Graham! What if I mix in mono (and Dead Center everything), and then do this LRC panning trick and adjusting things (like EQ) a little bit, and then finally pan "normally" (NO hard panning) and maybe a final minimal adjustments again? Do you mean to do THIS? Or do you mean to leave everything Hard Panned (for the listener) in the final mix? Thank you for your great tips, and have a nice day!
@doziermuzic
@doziermuzic 8 жыл бұрын
I have the same question as field field, wouldn't you have phase issues. I tend to pan as wide as the analyzer tells me I'm out of phase. Although I see some commercial releases out of phase at certain parts.
@jrhager84
@jrhager84 13 жыл бұрын
@recordingrevolution Not only that, but if you have decent overheads, the toms are going to ring through, and you *will* feel a sense of space L/R... LCR is nice, but I don't strictly adhere to it as a rule or anything.
@GazPatterson
@GazPatterson 12 жыл бұрын
your brilliant
@1n50mn1ac
@1n50mn1ac 12 жыл бұрын
Do you think this could work in electronic music? I have never seen any electronic musician doing this lcr panning and I'm wondering if there is any good reason for that! From what i know when playing in a club sound system the signal is converted to mono! How will this sound converted to mono?
@TheMattd546
@TheMattd546 12 жыл бұрын
awesome videos i started singing for churches but then i went my own way, but, i've been trying to figure out this L & R stuff, but when i get 2 lead vocal tracks, i use to pan 1 Hard left 1 Hard right, but then i check out mono sound the vocals sounded crap, they was falling apart, then i coppied 3 of the lead vocals, left 1 dead center the others hard L and Hard R and when i go to mono i hear the center 1 perfect, i go to mono then i can here the other 2 nice and large, is that good to do?
@Burynnhoss
@Burynnhoss 12 жыл бұрын
Nice video, may I ask you, if you have LCR audio interface? And please how can I make the bus with 2 knobs (left and right). I'm not still able to do that. Thank you a lot.
@NealArbic
@NealArbic 13 жыл бұрын
We may argue among ourselves, but let's take a moment to hear out Chris Lord-Alge: "Panning is something I'm not subtle with. It's either left, right, or centre. Absolutely. Unless you're panning an orchestra and you're trying to make it sound like real life, as we did on 'Black Parade'. But I try to make my panning extreme, so it jumps out at the sides."
@MusicofJjm
@MusicofJjm 12 жыл бұрын
My drummer sports five toms and two snares, any tips other than down sizing the kit?
@ramabima
@ramabima 13 жыл бұрын
what pan law do you use?
@newbiadk
@newbiadk 11 жыл бұрын
never though of that work flow great vid
@fieldfield5941
@fieldfield5941 9 жыл бұрын
Hello bless if u pan hard left and hard right wouldn't it be out of phase? in other word too wide
@ambushed10304
@ambushed10304 9 жыл бұрын
Hi, I'm strugglin with the mono / stereo compatibility for the moment, because I like to create great space & depth with RVB, Chorus, etc... But it sounds really bad in a mono situation. But I guess the LCR mixing is a really gret technique for this problem, because there no stereo depth in each individual track, as we are creating the general stereo with hard L/R panning... Any advices for this compatibility? THANKS :)
@KirkFilms
@KirkFilms 10 жыл бұрын
What's the song? Where can i hear it?
@djjireh
@djjireh 12 жыл бұрын
ok, what if you have gazillions of instruments like in trance?
@Equilombo
@Equilombo 9 жыл бұрын
Well it would be important to have a "room" track to blend it all in your multitrack, wouldn't it? I don't know why Graham emitet that the room track was also centered
@JoshFairhead
@JoshFairhead 10 жыл бұрын
Why not mix LCR initially to expose balance issues fix them and then pan back again once the super wide separation just seems a bit much or "weird". I like the concept and think there is a lot of merit panning things to opposite speakers when matching/decoupling how solid two parts sound are against each other. I'm just saying that I feel the purist approach is perhaps a little too ridged to serve the songs I work with in most instances... for disclosure though I'm in the UK and its somewhat acknowledged that we generally have a 'more quirky than pristine' sound in our production history. For country music I would guess that its a very very LCR dominated genre which in turn is part of its sound.
@JoshFairhead
@JoshFairhead 9 жыл бұрын
....I think you missed my point. I'm not advocating either approach.
@erikasat8293
@erikasat8293 10 жыл бұрын
Is this technique also useful for EDM?
@espee5773
@espee5773 10 жыл бұрын
It can be, depending on the instruments. Drums are handy in center as well as vocals, but autopanning hi hats to a sine curve from far L to far R is a good technique. In EDM, synth bass stuff is great in the center, and then get non lead stuff on L and R instead of C. Of course, the ultimate goal is a clear, but blended mix, but thinking LCR has given me more room to do interesting sound concepts in panning when I start with LCR.
@flairness4586
@flairness4586 10 жыл бұрын
Stephen Palmer Very Helpful! Thank you!
@erikasat8293
@erikasat8293 10 жыл бұрын
Stephen Palmer Really appreciate yor respond! A thank you also from my side!
@espee5773
@espee5773 10 жыл бұрын
Which side, L or R? (You're allowed to shoot me for that).
@BeyondtheEndMetal
@BeyondtheEndMetal 12 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I was wondering the same thing, I love this idea for simple songs, but I have 5 toms on my kit :/ so thats going to be an issue.
@PhreezyOnTheBeat
@PhreezyOnTheBeat 12 жыл бұрын
love your videos tho #Salute
@rangerarmonika
@rangerarmonika 7 жыл бұрын
This is called ,,hard panning'' , and it's mostly used in edm production.
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