Recovery Ring (Snatch Block or Pulley Block replacement)

[@LetsDoThis321]

Thanks for the in-depth review of soft shackles and recovery rings.

[@nateross14]

A little tip to stop the rope from coming off the ring while its loose if you don't have a wireless remote and have to walk back to the vehicle to tension the line..... just put the smallest size thin/weak zip tie around both lines of the rope infront of the pulley so the rope can't come off, and then as the winch line gains tension, it will spread the rope and break the zip tie.

[@SaltySunriseSailing]

Cheers, this was early days with the guys who invented this style ring. We prefer the Factor 55 version for the last few years of travel. 👍

[@chriscole3538]

Tim and Andy, from my perspective, in vehicle recovery, given its dynamic and variable nature, if the winch line goes slack (vehicle gains traction and drives forward) and the winch line falls out of the pulley, it will get caught by the soft shackle, true. However, if unnoticed, and the person carries on winching the winch line will cut through the soft shackle and cause a catastrophic disaster resulting in damaged / broken soft shackle and damaged / broken winch line and hopefully no one gets hurt in the process. Even if noticed and the vehicle rolls back or the winch catches up with the vehicle, the winch run on will damage the soft shackle and winch line too. Let's say it holds, now to continue with the recovery, you have to secure the vehicle, release winch line so you can put it back onto the pulley again. Why take all those risks and trouble? Furthermore, under high loads the friction between the aluminum pulley ID and the soft shackle, will damage the soft shackle, just like a Hawse Fairlead damages a synthetic winch line. Add sand, dirt etc, and the problem is amplified. So, regular inspection of the soft shackle would be required. Thanks for the video, may work for constant light loads - like ferrying a suspended bike as you did at Overland Expo West, and may work for sailing, but I really dont think this should be used in vehicle recovery.

[@SaltySunriseSailing]

Good points Chris. With some steel snatch blocks it can get caught outside the channel as you know so I think the assumption is to always be checking on and watching the gear under load. We've been using ours more than I anticipated on our trip to South America. Recovered some cars off a muddy mountain track that slid off etc. No visible wear on the soft shackle, but I assume over time it will fray the outer layers. I love these compared to traditional blocks, but time will tell.

[@chriscole3538]

Tim, thanks for your reply. Yep, cheap, and poorly designed pulley blocks with huge gaps between the cheeks and the pulley can cause the slack line to slip in between the cheeks and the pulley - this can damage winch line - very true. I wouldn't use those pulley blocks for vehicle recovery either - and I certainly wouldn't sell them. Safe travels!

[@SaltySunriseSailing]

@@chriscole3538 cheers Chris! Hopefully see ya at Expo East on our next trip home. 👍

[@dncook1955]

Thank you for sharing, definitely getting rid of my old 10 snatch and getting one of these

[@AudioFreqx]

12:05 true but if the weaker SS fails it's all over even if the ring is fine. The tow sling may be the weakest link. Good video thnx Did you do that long haul then check the shackle temps when done? If so; How was it.

[@PatrickRich]

its really is a cool way to do a line doubler. Winching I feel like has gotten a lot safer in just the last few years.

[@SaltySunriseSailing]

Patrick Rich agreed. Things are getting safer and more simple. Unfortunately, not really cheaper, but that never happens. I need to do a video of a triple pull as well with some pulleys stacked. Maybe at expo east.

[@hotnickles1438]

Damn that thing is gnarly! You guys I have got a awesome vehicle for this adventure!

[@skbid1]

Is there any concern for heat buildup on the rope with that pulley spinning on it? Wouldn't it be better to have a center bearing and have the pulley spinning on it rather than the rope?

[@SaltySunriseSailing]

That's the logical concern, but even after a full line run with load there is no heat build up. (With a 9.5XPS, but with the super high line speed competition winches it could be different) A bearing would lower the working load limit and give a place for sand and debris to get into. We just used ours to pull a vehicle back onto the trail and the front of our truck was a couple inches in the air while pulling. No heat at all.

[@wetpuet]

Not better for the inventor, less profit ... “$$$$”

[@DS-md7jn]

I don't see how there could be any heat issues, one is it's not turning fast enough to create heat issues another one is aluminum dissipates heat very fast and the Rope looks like it breathes well.

[@silverstake88]

Aluminum against a nylon almost has a slick Teflon factor to it.😁

[@Filmpilot]

Your link to the products doesn’t work

[@SaltySunriseSailing]

Sorry about that, their website is terrible. Here is a better product that we use now. A much better option (and better price). amzn.to/4bxzhmk

[@deanmacka4975]

Great stuff mate 👍 I'm gonna get some of them 👍

[@tamaralee4108]

Would there be any advantage to wetting down the ring and line with water for cooling?

[@MACK1BIZ]

Hi, nice product. I like to use a tree trunk protector as a bridle, is there any reason I couldn't slide one or two of these rings onto the bridle to gain some mechanical advantage?

[@SaltySunriseSailing]

Reach out to 7p.io/ for more info, but I don't see why not. The ring needs to slide on a slick surface like dyneema so as long as the tree strap is large diameter and a good material it would work great. I know that 7P is in the process of making a double ring for a 4 to 1 mechanical advantage setup. So far we've just used 2 of the single rings on the tree and 1 on the truck as you mentioned to get to a 4 to 1.

[@zachwilson6365]

Where did you shoot this? Looks like Prescott National Forest.

[@SaltySunriseSailing]

GOOD eye. Just off Smiley Rock Trail near Jerome.

[@zachwilson6365]

Close ; )

[@SaltySunriseSailing]

Close enough for Horse Shoes and Hand Grenades.

[@lewy1]

I would only be inclined to use it in a change of direction only. If using it to double the pull, I think the friction would be a lot higher than a traditional snatch block which would make it harder on the winch as well as the heat on the soft shackle.

[@Unsensitive]

From what I've seen, the increased friction only results in a few % extra loss in energy over a snatch block. Example For a 5000lb pull using a 2:1 mechanical advantage, you might expect 2650lbs using a snatch block vs 2700 on a good snatch ring. Then consider you can carry multiple snatch rings for the same space and weight is significantly less, there's definitely a place for them. Personally I'd probably use for my ATV, along with some extensions and multiple snatch rings and an anchor to get a significant mechanical advantage, I'd expect in could pull my vehicle out using an ORV. Having that much gear is much simpler using rings vs blocks.

[@lewy1]

@@Unsensitive for the cost and strength I would stick with traditional shackles and pulleys, but if I was on an ATV then yes a a soft shackle and pulleys would be fine.

[@SaltySunriseSailing]

I like how the guy from Wales is in shorts and a T-shirt and the Arizonan is in pants and a jacket...

[@athromt]

I was just thinking, "Damn, why is Tim so bundled up in that coat?"

[@SaltySunriseSailing]

Stephan Edwards it must have been darn near 55 out!!

[@richfarfugnuven6308]

How well would this work with actual steel cable winch line?

[@SaltySunriseSailing]

Once. This is really just a synthetic line product.

[@richfarfugnuven6308]

@@SaltySunriseSailing thanks for getting back to me.

[@oceanhouse8080]

I feel like this product would suck in dirty conditions.....

[@SaltySunriseSailing]

It's actually better. No bearing to get dirt and mud in, but yes you don't want the sliding surface covered in crap. We spent a whole night winching through the jungles of Guatemala and it served well. We we're towing ourselves and another truck with our winch through the mud.

[@theninja001]

Saw a video with a load cell, this adds 60% of a load to the winch. Friction is bad

[@SaltySunriseSailing]

I'd love to watch that. Got a link?

[@SaltySunriseSailing]

Here are some numbers from Factor 55 who does some rigorous testing. I haven't looked into it myself, but I trust their work. " Even when the extreme duty is introduced and the ring doesn’t spin, it only sees an increase of 3%. Simple numbers. Snatch block- 90% efficient RRP- 80-84% efficient RRP- not spinning 78% efficient You give up 10% efficiency to gain all the weight savings and no moving parts"

[@timothyturner5839]

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[@alancadieux2984]

L2SFBC Robert Pepper does a lot of testing with two load cells, the ring is 90% efficient, the pulley block is 95% you can check out his many videos here on you tube. I'm not buying into synthetic rope is safer by ANY means, as far as I'm concerned, thats an opinion. saftey starts with you, right? so how its rigged up in any given situation, and/or maintained has alot to do with it. but it's interesting to check it out. just bought a 2022 rubicon gladiator, bumper and winch coming soon, guaranteed steel line on it! not one of a thousand videos I've watched has changed my mind so far, and I drive a winch truck in the oil patch moving drilling rigs for a living, 25 years experience with that. 40 or 50 ton winches 1" to 1 1/16" to 1 1/8" steel lines, double lined picking up loads at 100,000 lbs. no one uses synthetic line, its been tried, won't turn the the pulley on the snatchblock, line melts, and they drop the load. nope, nope,nope, steel all the way!

[@hotnickles1438]

I want one bad!

[@karlosxzy]

Very difficult to watch this due to the high level of ambient sounds and poor audio quality. You need to invest in a better mic system.

[@SaltySunriseSailing]

Agreed. We have long since. Cheers