Recreating the MLB review system, a breakdown

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[@inalavalamp]

It would be cool if baseball had a cricket-style ump signal, where the ump just says let’s go to the cameras for review, cause that shit was too close for my damn eyes.

[@GollyGoshSensation]

It would take the brunt of the controversy off the umpires too. You'd think they'd want to stop being yelled at by players, coaches and fans alike about shit calls.

[@fivebooks8498]

Not a bad idea. Some plays are just really close calls. Why sway it either way by guessing? Just go to the replay

[@AustinBazar-kr1kx]

That is already a thing. They ask for an official review. It’s not a challenge but a request by umpires. Happened tonight in the Rangers game on a ball by even Carter that hit the top of the wall and they didn’t know if it was out or not. It doesn’t happen very often but it is a thing

[@waxknucklebearingjuice5592]

Some of them love being the villian...

[@CoyleTools]

The umpires are on the field to make these decisions. This is the long-standing argument about why have umpires at all if the only things you can trust them for are the easy calls? If you're not going to allow the umps to make the tough calls, do away with them entirely. Otherwise, we have to live with them. The quality of umpiring and their quality control are other topics for another time.

[@EasilySuede]

In a vacuum, more safe than out. And i like the spirit of "tie goes to the runner' even if technology has rendered this extinct.

[@dmasucci17]

the ball was there first

[@ponder9011]

@@dmasucci17dude it's a tag it doesn't matter if the ball reaches the bag first.

[@CrazyAsian1]

@@dmasucci17 is this your first ever baseball game?

[@EricTheYounger]

@@ponder9011I think he was responding that “tie goes to the runner” usually only applies to forced runners, not tag plays like this.

[@SamBrickell]

I've always thought of it as, "The point of all of this is entertainment. So in a 'too close to call' situation the tie goes to the extraordinary." (I.e. "tie goes to the runner", because in baseball you are more likely to be thrown out than you are to beat a throw, and in a low scoring game extra offense is a good thing.)

[@KevinHasSpoken]

I didn’t even watch baseball, but Jomboy never fails to get me pumped for another season of breakdowns! Went to my first baseball game IRL last year cause of you Jomboy, and enjoyed it very much.

[@xhappybunnyx]

right?? he basically unlocked enjoying baseball for me and I can only assume pleeenty more people

[@shangerdanger]

you may have already been baseball curious to begin with!

[@MrGuanYu1]

tbf though seeing baseball in person is a completely different experience. I find watching baseball remotely to be extremely boring. I played for 7 years and was bored most of the time. Going to the ballpark with friends though and making an evening out of it is usually a fun time. (Also tbf now that the times for the games are down a bit it might be better for me, but I generally don't watch sporting events anymore). That said I always enjoy Jomboy's analysis and breakdowns of situations no matter what the sport is being covered.

[@MrBaltimoreRon]

IRL LMAO AINT THAT CUTE!!??

[@neubauerjoseph]

The best one was when Seattle mariners made the playoffs ….. such joy for us mariners fans

[@kamikazefireball]

If the lace counts as the glove could you shoot laces out of your wrist like Spiderman to tag someone? 😂

[@Vivek.Clips2024]

yes

[@brittonshupe]

I would just have all the laces on my glove 2 feet long

[@Hell_Josenjin]

I think there's rule about laces saying hanging laces shouldn't be longer than some length.... But i don't remember exactly

[@xhappybunnyx]

they should starch those laces so they stick straight out

[@arethereanyuniquehandles]

@@brittonshupe And you would trip and fall going for that low ball or step on it after fielding a grounder and mess up. So, for one tag play a year, you would have messed up 20 times.

[@TheTEN24]

Safe but also tough to fully and conclusively overturn so I don’t mind with them sticking to the call

[@McP1mpin]

Based on the rules they made the right call but the rules are wrong. The NFL seemed to unofficially scrap the 'conclusive evidence to overturn' rule because it's silly to give way to the challenged call. In this case, inconclusive should mean safe because a tie goes to the runner and at best this is a tie.

[@MwD676]

@@McP1mpinMLB and NFL still both use “call stands” and “call confirmed” to indicate how conclusive the review was.

[@jamesoliver6625]

A Dan Bellino call should ALWAYS be questioned.

[@TrevorD19]

0:49 I believe they look at the moment the runner touches the bag, then go in reverse time for any touching for an out.

[@MrMaelstrom07]

There was a call over the last couple years where there was a play at the plate, and the laces brushed the leg of the player. They made the determination that laces are not considered part of the glove for the purposes of a tag.

[@sfan2767]

But they are for catcher's interference as we all saw last year.

[@ricebuckets]

I think the replay officials should be blind to the call on the field. They should get a set amount of time say 90 seconds, or whatever. If they don’t have a definitive call by the end of that period we stick with the call on the field. This will cut down on the longer reviews and hopefully remove some of the on-field call bias

[@sharkman2857]

It'd be kinda hard to keep them blind on it though, right? They can see the umpire calling safe or out on the replay itself half the time.

[@adamleblanc5294]

That's pretty much impossible. They can see the on field umpire making a call in the replay.

[@ricebuckets]

@@adamleblanc5294 at least they can not tell them ahead of time. It’s much easier to disagree with a call if you react to it in real time. If you’re informed of the call on the field ahead of time you will inevitably be biased one way or another

[@radtech21]

I agree with this recommendation.

[@NASCARorbascarpeople]

The original call does not bias their opinions? What are you talking about? They either can confirm the call, overturn it, or say they can’t completely call it either way. If they can’t make a call one way or another, it just stays as is. The ruling of the umps has absolutely no effect on the officials reviewing it.

[@gwcrispi]

Safe

[@corey6393]

Agreed.

[@elasmojones]

Yea, he's safe, but I think MLB looks at it differently than us. Replay was made so egregious mistakes could easily be overturned.

[@guerro327]

A tag has to be more than just the lace(s) of the fielder’s glove. MLB calls this out explicitly.

[@Versatilty]

I think the reason why the original call is important is if you can't determine the correct call like this play then you go back to what was called in real-time. You have to make a real-time call and so if you can't say for sure it makes more sense to go with the initial call than guess. In my opinion.

[@jakemayer2113]

that would make sense if the real time call wasn't also a guess. if neither the ump on the field nor the replay room is totally sure, we should be siding with the ones who have more info, which is the replay room. i think that calls should be overturned if the replay room thinks there's, like, a 53% chance the call on the field is wrong. i don't think it's fair to the challenging team for them to burn a challenge just to have the people who could know more say "i dunno, let's defer to 1 guy who can't see it all frame by frame from a dozen angles"

[@pete_smack]

@@xD0peyou can’t always tell just like in this video. So in your opinion, guessing is better than the call on the field? 😂

[@CubeInspector]

​@@xD0pe the goal of replay review is for the league to have an additional layer for the league to be able to dictate outcomes, it isn't to get the call right. It has never been about getting the call right, well, unless you're the bookie giving kickbacks

[@mbdg6810]

@@pete_smack but you can tell the original call was not conclusive. a guess with tech is better than an in real time guess.

[@rtss9270]

I think the ump that made the call would have called him safe based on the video replay and that is exactly the reason it should be overturned. If the best assessment is that he is safe, then why do we go with a call made within milliseconds of the play. The ump may have even said out accidentally but meant to say safe! They are human after all.

[@robertallenby9572]

OBR definition of “tag”: “TAG is the action of a fielder in touching a base with the body while holding the ball securely and firmly in the hand or glove; or touching a runner with the ball or with the hand or glove holding the ball (NOT INCLUDING HANGING LACES ALONE), while holding the ball securely and firmly in the hand or glove.” (All caps added) Runner is safe, even if glove laces touched runner before he touched bag. Runner safe.

[@Jivvi]

"Firmly" applies only to holding the ball in the glove, not the contact between the glove and the runner. The laces are part of the glove. A tag where nothing but the laces touches the runner is still a tag.

[@nitePhyyre]

Guy is quoting the rulebook and you're arguing with him.

[@nicolasmorales4797]

Damn Jimmy, you keep finding new ways of making amazing deep dives. I respect the dedication, man. You really make me love baseball even more

[@Imugi007]

I think he's safe, but not enough to overturn it.

[@mbdg6810]

Me too but the way i see it, that shows the original call holds too much weight. If you have way more certainity in replay, then how is the original call more correct?

[@scottmcshannon6821]

@@mbdg6810 but if you arent 100% on the replay why not go with the original call? and if the replay over rules all, why have umps at all? with the plate the size it is we can definitely set up a system that would be 100% correct 100% of the time on balls and strikes. could afford it for major league only. for the whole field that would be really pricey.

[@Imugi007]

@@mbdg6810 because the replay is not definitive. I still don't really know. The laces of the glove could be touching his leg before he touches the bag. There's not enough resolution on the camera to see it. So if the replay isn't definitive, you stay with the original call.

[@FastEddeh]

@@mbdg6810 I think it's because of the spirit of replay being introduced. We all know that there's plays that could possibly be called wrong but they are too close to be called. That isn't what replay was implemented for. It's for the calls that we all know were wrong and can go back and see that they weren't even close to being called correct.

[@briank2502]

@@scottmcshannon6821 because that would take forever and most of the time they get the calls like this right. So, why not just send it to the review without any weight coming from the call that’s being challenged?

[@civlyzed]

For some reason I enjoy Jomboy's pronunciation of "leg". Great breakdown!

[@jkl183]

Jomboy recreating the board is next level

[@GiantsRangersYankees]

Just an FYI: MLB rules state that touching a runner solely with the dangling laces of the glove does not count as a tag. It’s in the definition of “TAG” in the Definition of Terms section of the rulebook

[@PBLeagues22]

My idea is to put a guy at each base whose job it is to synthesize sight, sound, and timing to make a judgement of Safe or Out and then we all move on with our lives.

[@TheHolacor]

Jomboy! We need a lip reading of the San Jose Shark's ejection that just happened!

[@slimshady951000]

I never know what to expect from the MLB review team because of that Braves-Phillies game where a player slid into home and never even touched home plate, but they still called him safe. Even if a review is obvious, I have no clue what the actual call will be.

[@1Kevin]

that ZOOM on the eyebrows is hilarious

[@R3dL1ght5]

A break down in the review room of the guys breaking down the play. Jomboy is truly on the top meta of coverage

[@Luke_Groundwalker]

Wait...this is like a 20 minute breakdown that you casually broke down in under 2 minutes. Seeing how the sausage is made is huge

[@djbongwater]

ooo love the structure of this vid

[@tommy_vids]

At a certain point the "original call" aspect is antiquated, I think he was clearly safe based on the slow mo

[@AkumaAPN]

The Joyce Galarraga call had so much weight that they couldn't even review it.

[@geoplussports6008]

Jomboy media at its finest 👊 only you guys could get something I don't care about and make it 100% interesting 👏

[@FreemanVashier]

fully agree with ya on the call

[@donjones4719]

This explains one very interesting bit - part of the reason some replays take so long is the techs need to first sync two or more views.

[@TheFilipFonky]

Wouldn't all the cameras start playing all at once, and therefore have the same exact timeline?

[@brandonmalin4178]

This is one of the coolest breakdowns so far

[@sdmagician76]

In regards to the weight of the on-field call, it is possible for the ump to use sound to help influence his call. For instance if he could hear a thwick of the glove touching the baserunner before the thump of the baserunner's foot making contact with the bag, that could help him determine the safe or out call when it's too close to call visually.

[@joshrussell2333]

I watch Rugby and not Baseball but love your videos. in Rugby we have a similar rule. If the play goes to the TMO they have to be 100% sure if they are going to overturn the on field decision. You asked why is it given weight if it is being questioned. My thinking is the ump would have an angle that you can't see and the TMO can't see from their broadcast. So if the on field decision is out and the TMO can't prove that the player is safe then maybe the ump saw it at a better angle.

[@Clearmedium]

This is far too reasonable and balanced to have been written by a human.

[@Otto_Irving]

We need a breakdown of Aaliyah Edwards getting called for illegal screen in the final seconds of UConn’s Final Four loss to Iowa.

[@Youtubewatche]

Good video Jim

[@chandlerrincon4236]

I'm in agreement. I dont understand why the original call holds so much weight. Seems a lot of calls are still being made incorrectly due to this. Good work Jomboy!

[@jyoon0128]

because they don't want to show how they were wrong the first time. So when in the slightest doubt stick to the original call. Stupid. Making the "right" call should always supercede making the "first call" stick. Now everyone who saw this replay will think the umpires knew they were wrong but chose to stick to the wrong call. Not sure it would've gone over that easy if this was the World Series! LOL.

[@cameronmendez6483]

Because it’s so close, there’s not a lot to overturn the original call. So they default to original call. Same in football, but nothing will ever be perfect.

[@willstaydead]

Win by more than just the refs. If an officiating call is the “reason” why you lost, there’s probably 10 other reasons why you actually lost.

[@CubeInspector]

​@@willstaydead my dad always told me that growing up. I was like 7 years old when I was first robbed of a win due to a blatantly bad call. My dad talked to me on the ride home. He said while I was right I was robbed, if we had played better it wouldn't have come down to that one call and so I didn't deserve the win because I didn't win the game, I just should have not lost it at the end. There's a difference. I think that gave me a really good mindset for sports going forward (I played hockey and baseball). It seems most "fans" didn't have dads that actually were involved with teaching them little lessons along the way

[@CubeInspector]

The original call holds so much weight because MLB says the point of reply is to fix obviously bad calls not to make sure every single call is always 100% right. The real reason is because it gives them an out when they want the sports betting apps to give them kickbacks for helping dictate outcomes. It's wild people still think pro sports are anything more than the WWE

[@daysandwords]

"It's the very thing being questioned, so why does it have power?" is what cricket has not understood for the 12 or so years that Decision Review System has existed for. There was a catch by an England player that showed super clearly on the replay to have bounced... like 0 question about it in anyone's mind... but they just said "Oh we can't tell... so it stays out."

[@cnote9958]

100% safe

[@WonderFilledMedia]

Will it ever come to light-up pressure sensitive bags/foul line tech?

[@ABarbershopBarber]

were there more frames per second on the right than on the left?

[@SavageNotSalvage]

Had this kinda happen is yesterdays game, I believe Cubs and Rays, touching a player with the laces of the glove doesn’t equalize you touching em with your glove. Now if a batter swings and the catchers laces get in the way, it will be called for whatever reason

[@mattmay6348]

Always thought the same. It should be, what call would you make with the advantage of replay. I think it was done the way it is to avoid making officials look “bad.” Calls being overturned frequently, makes it look like they do a poor job. I get it, at normal speed it is difficult, but I would rather have the right call made.

[@bormz7191]

The reason doesn't have to do with umpires not wanting to look "bad" (people will hate on the umpires regardless, that's a fact). It's because the umpire often has a better view than the cameras. So if the cameras aren't conclusive, you revert back to the guy standing a couple feet away whose job it is to make those calls. Neither is a perfect system, but it's the best we have, and that's something you have to accept if you want to enjoy baseball.

[@Dot_Eleven]

Everyone would rather have the right call made, but how can you make the right call if you don't know what it is. The reason they're looking for definitive proof is so they can say for certain "this is the right call." Like, if instead it's "well, it could've gone either way" what's the point of overturning it? How do you determine which is the right call without definitive proof?

[@TheFilipFonky]

@@bormz7191 only reasonable take I've read thus far on the subject

[@nitePhyyre]

​@@bormz7191This argument would have a lot more weight to it if we weren't in the comment section of a video where the the guy with the "better view" got it wrong, the replay has a 100% clear view of the right call, then the umps in the video room backing up the obviously wrong call on the field.

[@rubenb263]

Waiting for that jomboy UConn/Iowa screen play breakdown

[@Perxxs_]

breakdown the SA Brahamas @ Memphis Showboats ending in the UFL crazy ending

[@skygh]

The original call may have too much power in current use but it is also the tie breaker on too close to call plays, a needed determiner

[@scoutsden7193]

You can see the fabric on his uniform move ever so slightly before he touched the bag. Also, there is a particularly long lace far down the on the glove and the momentum surely caused that very lace to fly out with the direction of the tag.

[@kevinmcallister2577]

Do a breakdown on the Saturday night game between Mississippi State and Georgia. Nearly an hour delay between top and bottom of the 8th inning after a hard collision and third out at the plate. Multiple ejections.

[@Jaloogman]

What about the old rule tie goes to the runner?

[@otherxjester]

This call cost me my parlay! I was at the game. Everyone was excited and then boo’d and when they showed it on the big screen everyone started cheering again bc we all saw he was safe.

[@joeyteter9383]

I agree about the original call having alot of weight. Also, he looked safe to me too

[@datfooando_]

JOMBOY JOMBOY, CAN WE PLEASE GET A BREAKDOWN OF ANTHONY RENDON HITTING A 2 RUN SINGLE TO WIN THE GAME?!?

[@sntslilhlpr6601]

Hell yeah dude this is journalism right here. This isn't just piling on against umpires being stupid. This is a legit question. Should reviews be blind? Or do we really care that much about the sensitivity of the guy on the field who made a questionable call? Even if things don't change in the end (and I understand the umpire's perspective) I think it's still worth having a conversation over.

[@OceanBagel]

I agree there's too much weight put on the original call. I think they should be able to overturn calls even if they're not 100% positive, as long as they're still pretty sure. Also I've heard umpires tend to use sound a lot when making calls on the field, so I was wondering if that's also part of their review. I doubt they have mics around the field that are capable of recording that, but it would be neat if they did.

[@rmp5s]

As a snakes fan, I was watching this live...the wife and a friend were, too. We ALL thought he was safe, as did the announcers. Safe. Barely, but safe.

[@chriss2412]

Safe, tie goes to the runner. 1 minute gone… play ball

[@rhy1013]

MLB has said since 2016 that the laces aren’t part of the tag. Probably so infielders won’t add a cat of nine tails to their gloves the way baserunners have used 10” oven mitts to steal bases.

[@DerekHardwick]

I would assume that there is some default. Like the runner is safe unless it's clear that they are out ("clear" can change based on conditions, or access to technology). It seems like in the MLB the 'default' is the first call that the ump makes, which maybe makes sense when introducing new tech, but at this point maybe not so much.

[@chillinuts]

@jomboy media I was at a worcester railers hockey game tonight. Something weird happened. 2 pucks on the ice at the same time. May be worth one of your reviews. About halfway through the first period.

[@nazfrde]

The problem is, if you can't tell from the replays (like in this case) what is your rationale for overturning it?

[@zenpvnk]

Looks like a pretty easy safe call. Even the first frame in which you said he was touching the bag, his foot is already turned 45 degrees from hitting the bag, so he was probably already touching it the frame before. And in that frame you could drive a truck between the glove and his leg. What the hell are all those people in NY and big screens for if they can't even get something so obvious? And FANTASTIC point about the call on the field having more weight. It would even be best if the replay crew making the final call didn't even know the call on the field, so it doesn't bias their opinion.

[@MrMendez20]

Hi, someone who worked in MLB Replay for a few years. You can't sync slomo cameras, I promise you they didn't sync the two angles. Also as operators you can try to lead the ump to what the best angle is but at the end of the day it's their call.

[@zoom3184]

The left replay being at a much lower framerate makes it really hard to overturn also. (In my opinion) Carroll reaches the bag before the left view shows he's been tagged. However, this only tells us that he was tagged somewhere in between these two frames, which could be before or after reaching the bag.

[@fwelton]

With all the tech available, there should be some sort of pressure sensor that could be used in the bases to indicate contact. As well as drones at a suitable height with high res cameras for a top down angle. I would like to see the tech explored even if they don't use it for calls for a year or two.

[@mikecumbo7531]

Pressure sensor, in this case you have a fielder and base runner in contact with the bag. How do you tell the difference? Drones, domed stadiums, rain/wind issues. BTW, who pays for this wonder tech??

[@fwelton]

@@mikecumbo7531 Multiple sensors, combine with video. See what sensors go off and synch with video. I am sure some really tech savvy person has a plan for that. I did hint it wasn't ready for primetime and needs researched. MLB is a billion dollar tax exempt entity, sounds like a problem for the multi-billion dollar entity to me. Point is, there is a technical fix for this, probably beyond my expertise.

[@danielkwood]

I watch cricket and am fairly new to watching baseball...so I'm a little confused. Why does the fielder have to tag the runner in this situation to record an out? Isn't the fielder's leg touching the base while the ball is in their glove? Would that not count as an out?

[@JomboyMedia]

In this situation the runner doesn’t have to advance. He’s trying to steal third so he could always stop and run back to second base. Therefore it’s not what we call a “force-out” and the runner has to be tagged. In instances where the runner has to advance (batted balls when the batter is running to first so all other runners have to advance as well) it’s a force out and the defense just has to get the ball to the base before the runner reaches.

[@danielkwood]

@@JomboyMedia Thank you so much for your explanation! That makes sense. I love your cricket breakdowns by the way and enjoying learning more about baseball. Thanks for making these videos!

[@lordsangone]

Umpires have a saying,"When in doubt, call an out". Its a bad look when you make a late safe call.

[@BobbySacamano]

I like how the review room ends up looking like some overlord control room. I'm waiting for one of the dark shadows to turn around and say, "What're you doing here" in that deep, modulated anonymous voice.

[@tylertressler6873]

if a brush from a lace of the glove constitutes an out, why would the base moving be the sign of contact? Maybe a spike on his shoe touched the bag before it moved

[@horaceball5418]

As a very experienced umpire, every close play is OUT (unless it is a tied game) because by calling them out, I go home sooner. BTW every close pitch is a strike for the same reason.

[@the6thpackbrewbuck]

I agree, I don't think the call on the field in any sport should have as much weight as it does, if from replay your leaning he's safe, than say he's safe, even if you called him out initially

[@IceyDrewF1]

College baseball UGA vs. Miss State check it out! 11 ejections we need a video!

[@benwhite5734]

You mentioned the laces a couple of times. By rule, the laces alone don't count toward a tag. It has to be the actual glove.

[@WOOTthisGUY]

What ever happened to "ties goes to the runner?" The rule could be changed back, or was this never the saying/rule?

[@chucklebutt4470]

Tie goes to the runner is a popular and inaccurate interpretation of baseball rules. The claim is that a forced runner, usually the batter-runner, who arrives on base the same time as the ball is safe. However, umpires generally reject the concept that baseball provides for a tie in this way, and instead rule on the basis that either the player or the ball has reached the base first. The wording of rule 5.09(a)(10), formerly 6.05(j), of the Official Baseball Rules is that a batter is out when "After a third strike or after he hits a fair ball, he or first base is tagged before he touches first base". Therefore, if the runner or first base is not tagged before he touches first base, he is safe. In response to a question from a Little League umpire, Major League Baseball umpire Tim McClelland has written that the concept of a tie at a base does not exist, and that a runner either beats the ball or does not. In 2009, umpire Mark Dewdeny, a contributor for Bleacher Report, citing McClelland, also rejected the idea of a tie, and further commented that even if a "physicist couldn't make an argument one way or the other" from watching an instant replay, the runner would still be out. from wiki :)

[@natebean151]

Umpire could threw a guess out there. Like coin flip 😂

[@NN.baseball]

I don’t know if this was ever actually a rule if it still is but the call Has to be a obvious missed call

[@zacharykam5161]

I never played more than little league, but I really don't understand the sweep tag. The only way they can be safe is to touch the bag. Put your glove in front of the bag instead of trying to hit a moving target

[@matthewjswider]

At what point do we start adding tassels to infielder gloves to give you an extra 6” of reach when a runner comes close to you?

[@hdog0572]

There are rules regulating the size of the laces on the glove

[@pspn0]

So the baseman’s foot and leg being on the bag with the ball in his glove isn’t enough to automatically be out?

[@DaysDX]

A good example of when to use the replay but also trust the original judgement of the ump. The replay really wasn't clear 1 way or the other. I think upholding a field decision based on that works.

[@kingjoules7591]

To make a legal tag, the fielder must tag the runner with glove and ball or ball in hand. The laces do not factor in the tag. So it doesn't matter if the laces were on the runner.

[@dblankenship88]

I’ve got it safe. But then again I’m just a guy watching a Jomboy video.

[@louiscypher4186]

I agreed with it out. Not enough to overturn that. The point of a replay is to overturn massive mistakes, If you want to remove the human element go sim MLB the show and leave actual baseball to those of who love the imperfect nature of an analogue world. The last thing should be looking to do is become the NRL where they go upstairs if someone breaths in the direction of the ball.

[@Rubic13]

I do agree with your assessment that by the video it looks like the runner MAY have been safe, but it was so close that I assessed that it would be out due to the call on the field, which is what they did. Why I believe they do put weight on the call on the field is yes while the UMP may have been (in many cases blatantly) wrong, they generally had a different angle to take into consideration. That being said, I'm sure this would have been 50/50 calling on the field even then so who knows. I guess in the end the footage has to be definite, and if it isn't, ruling on the field stands.

[@markkelly8398]

Should try rugby rules where the referees initial decision stands unless the replay can provide quote “clear and conclusive evidence” that would overturn the call. In this situation the ump called out, went to replay and it wasn’t clear in the replay if he was safe so umps decision stands.

[@qlow5956]

Am I tripping, or are the frame rates different between the two angles? I'm just confused why there was no discussion of how the differing FPSs could screw with the sync'd clips.

[@DylanCodes]

I was there at the game with my friend. Everyone was booing the call and the ump because everyone knew carroll was safe.

[@kitchkitch-my7uo]

If they are thst bang bang give a 3rd option safe, out or replay. On replay no call is made and the booth with the reviews make the call

[@TaliyahP]

Before finishing the video and learning the answer: I would say call on the field stands. He does potentially look safe to me, but I can't say that conclusively.

[@psx2rulz2]

The original call has so much weight because, like the NFL, it's the final factor on a 50/50 decision. "stands" is what they have to call it, when you yourself said you can't be 100% sure about it

[@polrish9570]

I thought they got rid of the laces thing.

[@MARTINCAM24]

I thought safe initially, but then the foot appeared to bounce a bit off the bag while the fielder held the tag. Am I 100 percent positive there was space between the bag and cleat? No, but I still conclude out!

[@forgettablelisa]

Looked safe to me in real time and slow-mo. And yeah why does the original call hold so much weight when it's the entire reason for the replay to begin with? Why have replay if you're not going to err towards what you see there?

[@ImStillJohnny]

I definitely think the people in the review booth should not know what the call was on the field. They should have completely fresh eyes and make a decision based only on what they see. If there is no conclusive evidence, then a tie goes to the runner like always.

[@GoingMach5]

I absolutely agree. Complete objectivity.

[@aaacomp1]

There's no such thing as tie goes to the runner.

[@rayshamrock]

​@@aaacomp1 always has been, always will be

[@aaacomp1]

@@rayshamrock nope, lies

[@zym6687]

@@aaacomp1 The runner is out if the base is tagged before the runner reaches the base. In the event of a tie the base was ***necessarily*** not tagged before the runner reached therefore that does not fit the definition of a an out, so the proper call is safe. 5.09 Making an Out ... (b) Retiring a Runner Any runner is out when: ... ... (6) He or the next base is tagged before he touches the next base, after he has been forced to advance by reason of the batter becoming a runner... The language is clear that it has to be tagged before the runner reaches the base.

[@colderbeer]

The replay was slightly fuzzy, and you just couldn't see FOR SURE if he had beaten the tag........therefore the call stands.

[@rwmorey71]

It's a bang bang play with not enough evidence to overturn the call regardless if the ump had ruled safe or out. This is why replay should only be for scoring plays.

[@jz7109]

The issue is the two camera's seem to have different frame rates.

[@mikecumbo7531]

Not every camera is a super mo.

[@masonmount17]

Laces don't count right? Like to get someone out it has to be with the glove itself

[@elgiacomo]

Higher resolution and framerate cameras, at least at each base, would help a lot. We have the technology to do better than these blurry frames...

[@GC_Mars]

The problem with reviews is that, and it happens every time in the NFL for instance, to overturn a call there must be a big, definite and unmistakable reason to do it, otherwise the call stands. If they still have the slightest doubt, it stands, so this is the reason why the call on the field is still the deciding factor. If in this case the umpire called the runner safe, after review he’d have still been called safe because, one way or another, there isn’t the smoking gun kinda proof that says “you gotta overturn this”.

[@mindgamewords]

Where the the 1st dodger HR otahni video?

[@dner75-xh9le]

Tough to tell from that angle, but when in doubt, safe.

[@B_Keat80]

Man i wanna play baseball! And review showed safe.