RED ARROW - One of the WORST TRAIN WRECKS in AMERICA

Red Arrow - One of the worst passenger train disasters in America.
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[@patriciathomas9669]

My dad lived in Altoona at this time where his father worked as a surgeon. He recalls not seeing his dad for days as he tended to the injured from the wreck. His dad's past experience as an army field surgeon made him one of the few doctors that was familiar with the severity of the injuries.

[@ODDySEEy]

I do love that at one time there were people that when they were out of their commissioned workspace would immediately take action when bad things happened. Nowadays people just stand on the sidelines and watch.

[@tomkelsey3512]

Hi Scott, my Uncle Lou Nagle worked at the Altoona Post Office when this happened. He was ordered to go up to Bennington Curve and help pick up all the pieces of mail scattered all over the mountain.

[@ODDySEEy]

SO crazy... to people back then it was just another day on the job.

[@tippycanoe1199]

My cousin's wife wrote this to me on a post I made about two actors who were munchkins in The Wizard of Oz. She wrote about this accident, so I came to do some research. This is what she said. "Back in 1946, my grandparents were ministers in Altoona when the Red Arrow train derailed on horseshoe curve. Rose’s Midget Revue were traveling on that train and many were injured. They were taken to the pediatric section of the hospital as no one saw them as adults. My gram just saw them for the beautiful people they were. She sang with them, read to them, and cared for them at a time when most just dismissed them. A few of them had been in Oz but I never knew any of their names. All I knew is she spoke highly of them and said they were some of the kindest people. A few of them even kept in touch with her for the next 50 years. Letters and Christmas cards were exchanged every year."

[@possumbold]

Thanks for your historical perspective on this accident. I agree this is what KZbin should be about - historical events that would otherwise be lost. Most people don’t want to see people like Meghan Markle giving ‘organic and wise 🤮 advice’ when she has abandoned her own father. The train crash is far more interesting even if it is a metaphor for her life. This was an historical event that could have been lost to history. Thanksfor documenting it.

[@TroubledLoner]

Exactly what KZbin should be. Didn't know about this piece of history, really don't have an interest in trains, Pennsylvania, etc., but this is a perfect short documentary: well-filmed, well-narrated, perfect. Thank you, Scott.

[@Julie-go6oc]

My grandfather was a RR maintainer on the curve when the derailment happened. He apparently took his own photos. I'm just starting to look into the history now. Thanks for the great video.

[@ODDySEEy]

Very cool!

[@mindykaiser3432]

Thank you for sharing this video. My Grandfather’s sister passed away in this accident. She had been married for just 3 days. Her and her husband were on their way to New York from Detroit for their honeymoon. My grandfather was 14 when it happened.

[@ODDySEEy]

Oh that is so sad to hear. Wow... only 3 days married.

[@carolynatwood8182]

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[@jservello]

Our keyboard player in the oldies band told us her father was an new undertaker in Galitzin and was one of the people who recovered bodies at the crash. Great video!

[@ODDySEEy]

What a horrible legacy to have in ones family stories. But, I am sure people were grateful for their services.

[@samanthab1923]

Wow. That's a lot to deal with.

[@leiser71]

north east of Philadelphia on December 5th 1921 two trains had a head on collision, 27 people killed 70 hurt in Bryn Athyn, this caused some changes in how trains operated

[@ODDySEEy]

Eventually I will get down to do the Bryn Athyn story... right now it is a little "popular" on KZbin.

[@dennislevan2114]

I was born a month after the Red Arrow wreck--the Red Arrow had always been an important part of a little boy's excitement and thrill. I was born in DC and my dad was a Pullman Conductor, working out of Union Station. While he didn't specifically work the Red Arrow, every summer he'd get my mom, brother and me Pullman tickets on the Red Arrow for Detroit. My grandmother lived near Grand Rapids Michigan so a convenient way was to Detroit, change trains to the Pere Marquette at Fort Street Station for Grand Rapids--unfortunately, by the early 50s, even with heavy passenger loads, the Red Arrow was also loaded down with a lot of head end and seemed to always be late into Detroit and we'd miss the morning Pere Marquette to GR. I remember the open section sleepers very well and while I thought being in the upper was neat, with no window to look out in the night, I always opted for the lower birth. Memories are strong and being a "train guy", the wreck of the Red Arrow always fascinated me.

[@ODDySEEy]

Thanks for the story... so neat to have lived through such interesting times.

[@doyourememberme2904]

Railroaders like myself know Tunnel Hill as Track #1 aka The Slide and Gallitzin Tunnels as track 2 & 4 New Portal Tunnels, Track 3 was Removed in 1981 by Conrail. Bennington Curve speed limit is now a days since the 60's 25mph. The Red Arrow Wreck used 2 K4 Class Pennsylvania Steam Locomotives which is a 4-6-2-wheel arrangement Locomotive the second locomotive was used as a Helper do to its heavy load. Spectators people of the area have said there was a fatally pause for 3secs that you didn't hear the locomotives chugging as they were derailed and falling to the crash site. Dynamic Brakes makes running down the Slide to Bennington a lot safer and easier now a days. Great Video !

[@ODDySEEy]

Thank you for that information. I love hearing about those who know of the stories from those times.

[@terrclymac]

The crash that made Rounder Casey Jones famous was also over an hour late and in the dark of night. Enjoyed your sharing this history. Thank you.

[@ODDySEEy]

Keep comin' back for more and thanks for watching.

[@donaldprice9230]

Thanks

[@donaldprice9230]

Thanks

[@cathybaker-bk5fg]

My mother told me about The RED ARROW train wreck. My Grandpa helped recover the passengers for they lived in Portage PA then.

[@jameswaters4024]

You got my subscription with the inch worm. Find trains and you will always find nature.

[@ODDySEEy]

The inch worm was during our visit to Tytoona Caves... some people were chatting with me and my daughter just stood there filming the worm for 10 minutes. He became part of the ODDySEEy because he sums up the adventure.

[@shadescapes]

My grandfather, George Clayton Bowman of Tyrone, a USPS employee riding in the mail car, perished in the wreck six years before I was born.

[@tunnelhell]

Thank you for all the work you put into your videos Scott. As a lifelong resident of Tunnelhilll I find your videos to be a fascinating glimpse into our local history.

[@ODDySEEy]

I try to bring perspective into one sided stories. Many people write emotionally from their loss... and when it is old enough people write about a time they never lived in and are judgmental. I like to just keep with the facts of what we know and the truth of what happened.

[@brucemulhern5261]

My father was 15 years old when this occurred. He lived just above Bennington in Tunnelhill. He always told me stories of this train wreck and how he carried equipment for one of the Altoona Newspaper photographers that was covering this crash. Unfortunately, my father did not have any pictures from the scene, but I am sure some of the photos you can find online are from that photographer.

[@ODDySEEy]

It is always great to hear the stories of our fathers and grandfathers. I wish, when I was younger, I wrote down what my grandparents told me stories about in their lives.

[@jeffrobodine7054]

My Dad lived in Roaring Spring when this happened. He was a teen at the time. He told me when he heard about the wreck he walked through the woods for miles to get to it. Just to see it.

[@derail14]

there is a icc report on line about this wreck and many questions to why it happened are still a mystery today, why the operator at AR was not interviewed, and why did not the crew on the 2nd locomotive fail to put the train into emergency brakes as they could have done that and should have, all the crew members said the train was running normal speed, the engine man who survived said the same thing and that he made a brake application right after passing AR tower and it was not released and why would a vet engine man try to run 65 going down the mountain, guess this is why its still called the mystery of the red arrow, and by the way the grade going down the slide is more like 3% or more from ar to benny interlocking,i should know i worked many trips over that line.

[@abbysapples1225]

I'm from Pennsylvania all my days. Never knew about this. Thank you for telling the story. It definitely was captivating.

[@ODDySEEy]

Then may the other videos equally surprise you. One of the keys to this channel is the finding of the oddities of PA that still exist and telling their story.

[@abbysapples1225]

@@ODDySEEy I'll definitely check them out. Thank you ❤️

[@moemcgovern7345]

I’m from the Philly area. I never heard of this crash. I’ve heard of others; but about this crash.

[@marksmith7054]

I'm surprised anyone lived through this wreck. what a Horror it must have been for all those aboard the red Arrow

[@ODDySEEy]

I too was extremely surprised at the number of survivors. And to make it worse, that ridge is COLD during the winter... so post crash, they were freezing while they waited for help.

[@kindcake]

That intro was perfectly time with the train

[@ODDySEEy]

It took seven shots over two hours ;) Thanks for noticing :)

[@bruceholsinger792]

My grandfather was one of the members who helped to put the track back in place to open the track up.he was a track layer. Thay called themselves the gandey dancer.

[@ianbarbour5473]

I work in Cresson for the MOW, we take care of the line from juniata shops to south fork

[@j.j.springer1099]

In 1973 my family bought the red arrow restaurant in Toledo Ohio! As far As I know the painting of the red arrow is still part of the wall but covered with paneling after we sold it in 1985! We name it Springers restaurant third floor had an apartment for the old owners with 8 rooms for the railroad guys that spent. A night waiting for a train back home

[@ODDySEEy]

THAT is a GREAT piece of History! Thank you, JJ.

[@markgarin6355]

Seems professional rail engineers would have some idea how fast they were going... Growing up adjacent to the Milwaukee Road track in my hometown, I could tell minor differences between trains speed.

[@ODDySEEy]

I just recently had the opportunity to motor an electric Trolley. Oddly enough, when I asked the long term motorman how we gauged speed, he said, "feel for the wobble". That's it. So, yeah, I assume after a long time you get to know how fast you are going by some method, but, it would appear that gauging speed was a "feel" thing.

[@Ryanezek36]

My uncle was being born in the hospital when they were bringing the casualties in

[@ODDySEEy]

I love reading comments like this... it helps keep the history ALIVE.

[@ryandavis7593]

The train and the locomotive travel at the same speed. Modern trains with their length can have the slack roll in causing the rear of the train to be several miles per hour faster than the front. However a passenger train, even then, is a much shorter consist and controlled slack. Hence the train and locomotive traveled the same speed. What was intended was that the automatic, or train brake, was applied but not the Indipendent or locomotive brake. This is common practice in mountain railroading to alternate between the two to prevent pissing away the air on the train. This practice allows for recharging of the individual car reservoirs. As for the throttle, it was probably found in a mid position. It could have ended up that way from the wreck or from a faulty notch retainer. The retainer is simply a coil spring that can easily break or the teeth of the notches could have been worn. A curious thing about the throttle is that the valve itself is a balanced valve with two seats. It wants to be halfway open. With a defect in the spring or the quadrant, in the dark it would have been difficult to determine it’s position visually. This is not my speculation, this is from my personal experience with steam locomotives starting in 1984. I am still a railroader and work as a diesel electric locomotive composite mechanic. I have experience on five steam locomotives during my career. Greetings from the high plains of Texas

[@ODDySEEy]

Thank you for the technical.

[@moemcgovern7345]

Hello Texas!

[@KPen3750]

From a book I read, the throttle (supposedly) had come loose and slipped from the 1/4 throttle position to the half throttle position. I say supposedly because, it is a crew testimony and it could be the engineer thought he had closed it, but perhaps got distracted a bit by talk or, the fog, or something. Plus, locomotive throttles generally have a teeth arrangement so you set it and it stays until you intentionally grasp the handle to move it. So, take this how you see fit.

[@ODDySEEy]

I had read that too... but discounted it because none of the engine crew (those who were at the front) survived. So... how would they have known? (plus all the add's you mention about how it works)

[@PercyPruneMHDOIFandBars]

May I respectfully make a suggestion? This video is great, but could you elaborate on the safety improvements made after this crash? I think it would complete a well told story. Many thanks for sharing this.

[@ODDySEEy]

Suggestion taken into consideration. Thanks for watching. :)

[@phyrestorm2521]

My grandfather was one of the Railroad workers up ther eclearing debris and helping to recover bodies as well as injured people from the carnage'

[@ODDySEEy]

The stories our elders can tell are just amazing if we just were old enough to listen.

[@paulharrell7432]

Great timing with the train. I know how difficult that can be. Good graphics, good story.

[@ODDySEEy]

Thanks Paul! The hard part was keeping the adrenaline in check as at multi-ton vehicle comes flying past you at 30mph and you have no where to go... except maybe a jump down a 100 foot cliff. But that was an equally exciting consideration.

[@RedArrow73]

That's really bizarre. I'm from Delaware County, Pa., and the only Red Arrow I ever knew of was the suburban trolley operation that is now known as SEPTA's 101 and 102.

[@ODDySEEy]

I use to take the 101 to get to Media :)

[@jed-henrywitkowski6470]

Imagine surviving fighting for your country... Only to die stateside, on your way home.

[@jamessimms415]

Then you have the 1943-ish PRR Frankfort Junction Disaster

[@ODDySEEy]

Back when people were welcomed home as heroes.

[@ODDySEEy]

I was going to do a video on that... but after I did Red Arrow which falls in a series of videos specific to that area of PA (Bennington Curve, Bennington Town, Gallitzin Tunnels, etc.) I also did one on the Circus Train wreck. Then a lot of railfans came out and were being "not nice" because, allegedly, in their circles, it is in poor form to speak of rail disasters. So I figured I would not bother dealing with short sighted peoples opinions on my channel... waste of time and effort for something cool. :D

[@sbennettyt]

I can guarantee you there are physical pieces of that train all over that hillside. They would not have got it all cleaned up. I have found debris from 1936 and 1953 wrecks in WV.

[@ODDySEEy]

The hard part would be getting to the hillside. Once there one could probably metal detect, but I do not know if the high tension power lines would interfere.

[@therealpatriarchy]

The audio mix in the intro was just fantastic. You knew those sounds would reward the viewer.

[@ODDySEEy]

20 minutes to get that take :D

[@jed-henrywitkowski6470]

Yes, it was!

[@johnl.wblairjr5387]

The wreck of old 97 happened September 27th 1903 in Virginia when it plunged off stillhouse trestle bridge and into cherrystone creek 70 feet below

[@ODDySEEy]

That is CRAZY... I figured only old movies had trains derail from bridges. That would be a good story to tell.

[@blehtbh]

Wait red arrow reminds me of the great train wreck if 1918

[@ODDySEEy]

The great train wreck of 1918 was quite a bit different. That was two passenger trains that suffered a head on collision on the same track in Tennessee. THAT is a real horror story.

[@travelingman484]

Excellent channel friend. As an operator of heavy equipment and Tractor trailers for decades. I can tell you I don’t need a speedometer to tell me I’m going way to fast. Now this is the 40’s I believe locomotives had speedometers for quite sometime at this point, unless this one was broken. But never the less, this engineer screwed up, got complacent and pushed it harder than he’d ever done before. Alcohol could also been a factor. Railroaders kept insane schedules therefore down time was at a premium and seldom enjoyed.

[@ODDySEEy]

I often picture the train engineers being a more beaten, but tougher, version of a coal miners and rail workers. So yeah, I totally can see what you are saying.

[@johnpiet4902]

Great video, audio and narration. The “mile marker” is however a whistle marker. Maybe do a video of the South Penn Railroad? The piers are still in the Susquehanna river at Harrisburg and the tunnels part of the Pennsylvania turnpike. Thanks

[@ODDySEEy]

@@johnpiet4902 I have done some on the South Penn... most recently the misnomered "Aqueduct" down by the old turnpike tunnel. I had a group setup to visit one of the other tunnels that is on the side of the turnpike, but the state police are being unfriendly about it so I am working on an alternate way to gain permitted access.

[@timkarrell7109]

Jared Fredrick is a historian in Altoona. He may know of some resources.

[@ODDySEEy]

Tim, I have tried to get some direct contact info on Jared to no avail. If you could send me an email, it would help :)

[@lewis7315]

the horizontal train lift bridge over the Cape Cod canal has to be one of the longest world wide,, a span of about 600 feet ... I grew up in sight of it... It was built in the 1930s by the WPA as were the other two car bridges... my father helped build them... there is still a seasonal daily dinner train going over the bridge and on down the Cape...

[@ODDySEEy]

I ise to explore them during my summers as a young teen. My uncles would take me out on a small boat to go under them in the bay.

[@jasonarnold8448]

1947, it was two years after WWII, the railroad was still very important to US transportation, the Interstate Highways did not exist yet. The Red Arrow was perhaps one of America's most prestigious passenger trains operated by one of the most prestigious American railroads, the Pennsylvania Railroad. But on a cold, rainy, early morning of February 18, 1947, this passenger train would be involved in a disastrous wreck that would increase the fame it already had. But it was also perhaps one of the most mysterious train wrecks in American history, as no one really ever knew the ultimate cause of it. Speculations I have gathered include mechanical error, the crew being tired, and as mentioned in the comments near the end of this video, espionage-related tampering. But it will forever be a mystery which one is concretely correct. Over 160 casualties came with this wreck, including 24 deaths. And some passengers, I gathered, included those returning home from fighting during WWII, very sad and heartbreaking. But this is also a lesson that mountain railroading can be very dangerous as much as it can be picturesque.

[@ODDySEEy]

Thank you, great comment!

[@matthewcosta780]

My wife and I just moved to South Fork. We're fascinated with the railroad and ghosts and cemeteries and old abandoned towns. Watching this video made me want to go up there. But we want to know the best and safest way to get there. We're not adverse to some light hiking and my truck is up to some light offroading as well, but when I say light, I'm just being cautious, I don't have much off-road experience and my truck is a stock '97 4runner Limited. We was also wondering if you were from around here?

[@ODDySEEy]

Available resources on how to get to this destination are available online if you search the history deep enough. Destinations are not provided on the ODDySEEy or by the ODDySEEy. If you wish to see it bad enough, one can put in the time and effort to arrive at how to get there. This keeps freeloaders and people with malicious intent from going to these areas and causing irreparable harm.

[@johnkemas7344]

My father, William Samek worked for the US Postal for 45 years. He was in the Railway Mail Service. He commuted on this train regularly for many years sorting mail from Pittsburgh to NYC. He was scheduled to work that night on the Red Arrow train and had the flu and missed his shift much to his good fortune, and the misfortune of all of his friends in the mail car who died that night. A good book to read on the details is "The Wreck of the Red Arrow" by Dennis P. McIlnay Copyright 2010 ISBN-13:978-09779805-3-6, 7 I bought my copy at the bookstore at the Horseshoe Curve Museum in Galitzin PA

[@ODDySEEy]

Thank you for watching and thank you for your contribution.

[@J.D.Whiteye]

lol sat there all day waiting for thst train... just for that intro lol well done 👏

[@caboosech]

You you need to do a story about the hoosac tunnel in Western Massachusetts

[@ODDySEEy]

When I get big enough to leave my state ;)

[@commanderofthenorth3348]

My family as all Railroaders from Cameron county , Buffalo ,Renovo area , out of the way for this , great reporting sir , nicely done ,

[@ODDySEEy]

Thank you.

[@Shelly-uj2zw]

What happened to the two locomotives after the wreck where they rebuilt??

[@ODDySEEy]

Scrapped

[@adamcounterman7028]

they were the first k4s' to be scrapped

[@devinsciranko5219]

They were "scrapped in place" as they were too large + destroyed to recover up the steep hill

[@Peter43John]

A 2.4% downhill grade, sharp curve, and fog are a deadly cocktail: only a modern AC locomotive w/dynamic braking could have slowed down in time!

[@ODDySEEy]

And I believe there are still at least 1 derailment at the horseshoe curve annually. Which makes the story of these old boys even more incredible.

[@geneotrexler8246]

Good & informative video 👍

[@T1_Productions]

Pretty sure the locomotives were class K-4s 4-6-2 Pacific’s Also can you do Eden Colorado’s Train Wreck. The deadliest train crash in Colorado’s history. It killed almost 100 people.

[@ODDySEEy]

The 422 was a 4-6-2 but the 3771 was a 4-8-4 Northern. The Eden Colorado Train Wreck will have to wait until I get out of PA or hit 200,000 subscribers, whichever comes first. ;)

[@T1_Productions]

@@ODDySEEy The PRR Never owned any Steam-Powered 4-8-4’s. Only Electrical-Powered 4-8-4’s

[@CrossOfBayonne]

And there are 2 of these around most well known 1361

[@ICONPYTHON]

I am new and let me tell you something. You timed that introductiom perfectly. What can you tell me about the Jermyn area of Pennsylvania lol

[@ODDySEEy]

Well, smoke and mirrors helped with the intro (and 4 different trains going by at different times). I have stories regarding Four Mile Town and the origins of First Aid, but old remnants surrounding these are an issue. Eventually I will "dig" something up.

[@MarioRBSouza]

Hi ! What's going on ? Talking about the hat: is it the model used by Harrison Ford in "Raiders of the Lost Ark" ? If so, did you know that it was made here in Brazil, in a city close to mine, called Campinas ?

[@ODDySEEy]

Different model. My hat is an Outback River Guide hat. Specifically, a waxed cotton hat from Australia.

[@moemcgovern7345]

If there was rain and in February, could there had been, black ice on the tracks?

[@ODDySEEy]

Most definitely. Trains suffer hard slippery starts and rail slides due to water and ice and snow on the rails. As a matter of fact, even a small downed tree that you think the train could easily push aside can cause derailment.

[@andrewklahold2880]

I thought ringling brothers and barnemen bailey train incident was the worst ever

[@ODDySEEy]

Nope... many others that took place during this time period... ringling bros just happened during a time when everyone had a TV. ;)

[@Melissapondlove]

Great videos I LOVE HISTORY ♥️♥️♥️

[@ODDySEEy]

This was a fun one to make.

[@charlesclager6808]

Did the Red Arrow ever travel in Ohio? When we were very young we lived in Woodville Ohio. From a distance we could see railroad tracks and my dad would tell us that it was time for the Red Arrow to pass. We would run to the window to watch for the train to pass. And it did right on time. Was dad just kidding us and gave the name of the train the Red Arrow ? I don't know if dad knew about the Red Arrow disaster or not. The dates fit in that we were about 5 or 6 years old in 1951 so dad may have known about the accident. Good video.

[@ODDySEEy]

It went from NYC to Detroit and sometimes DC. I know it had stops at Toledo, Mansfield, and Canton. But, it was also a NIGHTIME train.

[@tomadair4078]

Yes, this train did go Woodville on a line that came off the Pennsylvania NY-Chicago main trunk line near Mansfield and ran north, through Woodville, to Toledo and Detroit.

[@sheilariley1261]

This tragedy hapoened omn my birthday 7 years b4 I was born at the time I was born. No wonder I've always loved trains.

[@ODDySEEy]

Interesting

[@davewallace8219]

Thank you...this is a good video!

[@ODDySEEy]

It was a fun one to make. So much information and so many pieces just overlooked when told by newspapers and most books.

[@lomax117]

They buried the dead on the hillside above the tracks. You used to be able to see the cemetery from rt. 22 on "the 7 mile grade"!

[@ODDySEEy]

All of the dead were boxed up and shipped to their home, except 1. The cemetery on the hill a mile away is that of the ghost town of Bennington near the Bennington Curve. Search Bennington on the channel... I have 2 videos regarding the town and cemetery. ;)

[@lomax117]

I lived in that area most of my life, I move away in 2001. Back then, there were no roads going to the cemetery. Unless they made a road since I left

[@ODDySEEy]

@@lomax117 technically not a "road". It is the rail line access road. But because there is a cemetery, access must be shared/granted to the site. I am sure the RR can push back on that, but it also connects with the hunting roads to the surrounding gameland.

[@donalddumas6987]

Wow that was quite interesting and informative. Sad that people lost their lives and many others had to live for years with the aftermath of their injuries. Mental and physical, do people really heal?

[@ODDySEEy]

I don't know if they really heal... people still talk about this incident as if it were yesterday.

[@PRR5406]

Unless the slope adjacent tot he curve has been totally rebuilt subsequent to 1947, I guarantee there are artifacts of the wreckage in that soil.

[@ODDySEEy]

I wouldn't know the difference of what I was looking at :( There is sooooo much rail trash... spikes, cut offs, anchors, wheels, other weird train parts. Kinda sad they do not have to clean up after they do work like most blue collar non union workers.

[@randyriffers603]

What happened to the mail?

[@ODDySEEy]

Believe it or not, over a two week time period, all mail was collected and put back into circulation by local postal workers who freely volunteered their time and effort.

[@nsblack1141]

Where did you get your hat from. My hat is getting old and I would like to get like yours. Cheers Mate.

[@ODDySEEy]

amzn.to/3qaFkHF

[@hunterhamblin6158]

5:36

[@ODDySEEy]

I take it you liked the "live read" of peoples voices regarding the incident? I often seek to do that, but there are sooooo many sensitive people out there that I pick and choose when I think it would be most appropriate.

[@altacat9702]

...something as simple as ice on the rails could cause a false speed condition...especially in those times and PA conditions....

[@ODDySEEy]

"especially in those times and PA" if you follow the derailments... not much as change in THESE times.

[@altacat9702]

...I grew up in that area...and the more I think about it ...frost would be a likely possibly...just enough theat the engine would be at normal speed ... the operator would know ...but if in the dark the "actual speed not just the engine operating speed could very easily be off ... especially in a fog condition... ....ie the steam engine would sound correct as far as speed but in reality it was partially slipping .... .......thanks for sharing this ... as a kid I was lucky enough to ride a bicycle 8 miles on the abandoned Perkiomen rail line to Spring Mt Ski Area for work and ....Skiing/Snowboarding!!!

[@altacat9702]

@@ODDySEEy ...and serious thanks for sticking this on KZbin...I have thought about it at length : )

[@ohmeowzer1]

Liked and subscribed ty

[@ODDySEEy]

Thank You!

[@voidthe3f859]

I have a request regarding a certain steam train. Can you review one of the crashes of the 611? Specifically the crash where a rail went through the boiler?

[@ODDySEEy]

I think I have 611 on my list for Strasburg. Is that the sexy steampunk looking liner engine?

[@voidthe3f859]

@@ODDySEEy if it is black with a red and gold stripe on the side, yes

[@johnfrancis4809]

My mother was born in Portage

[@ODDySEEy]

Great little getaway in the middle of PA

[@barrydrocknrail2231]

How could the driver slow the cars down without slowing engine? They were connected.

[@ODDySEEy]

Just like a car, each set of wheels have a different set of brakes. This gives the ability of a train to choose which portion sets brakes and which one continues to freewheel. This is one of the ways you stop a derailment by not breaking too much in the front, which would kick off a jackknife. The cooler issue is how do you go around a turn and stop the inside wheels from turning more than the outside wheels on a fixed axle. ;)

[@Melissapondlove]

I commented before on a SUPER historic book you would love and you may have already read😀The History of the Jones Juniata Valley 🎉♥️the most amazing stories 😄If you cannot find a copy I can share a copy I have 1856 original print, and the reprint with Floyd Hoenstein 1700’s 😀

[@ODDySEEy]

I was unable to find a copy out on the nets

[@christthekingepiscopalchur2075]

The Red Arrow was *not* the greatest or finest train in the country. The Broadway Limited was the PRR's top train; the New York Central had the Twentieth Century Limited...and there are more.

[@ODDySEEy]

I hope that made you feel better. It is always interesting when people express a VIEWPOINT and think it is some sort of OPINION... but cannot back up their response. The information provided in my videos are all backed up with facts, numbers, and most importantly, RECORDED HISTORY.

[@bendover9411]

Microburst??

[@ODDySEEy]

In these parts of PA... highly unlikely. But not impossible. What makes a microburst more unlikely is the date of February 18th. Cold, yes. Windy, yes. Frozen, yes. Storm, no. The wind channel created by the mountains in that area are preceded by a very long and rather flat mountain plateau. It gets completely slowed by that plateau due to all the trees. And normally, the wind blows from WITHIN the channel going upward from the East to the West with the exception of some West to East winds that ride on the tails of hurricanes that go inland at Louisiana and are a minimum Cat 3.

[@zkolorowahistoria8149]

I can translate what speaker say in WDIF movie polish is my native langege:). U need only send me a RAW ver of clip with voice . Or link in yt . In 1947 there wos still UNRA going on East Block . Russia wos in good relations with USA ar this time it start going bad after 1949

[@ODDySEEy]

I will see if I can dig it up with audio.

[@n3glv]

Asking me to like and subscribe BEFORE I see the video? That is a hard nope.

[@ODDySEEy]

I will lose sleep over that... also a hard nope.