Red Dot Sights: The Rise of Risers with "Coch"

[@jjones5818]

History remains our best teacher. Always great delivery Coch. Most appreciated.

[@Parable_One]

Love the way you present the information in this format. Much appreciated.

[@roundrock63]

So glad TH has Coch doing these videos. Wealth of real world knowledge and experience.

[@ARGAR_GAMES]

He has his own channel now too!!

[@joshroten3997]

I broke down and bought an ACOG 4x with red dot on top. Seemed a bit bulky at first, but after zeroing both and some extra rounds at the range I have really gotten to like it. All my other platforms have Sig Romeo5’s and I love them. Simple, affordable. Very effective.

[@ThereIsNoSpoon4]

Awesome video, love me some Coch content.

[@TBaggingSociety]

Thanks buddy! I was USN, qualified on M14 with irons. Trying to be more modern. An M4 with ACSS and red dot seems very practical.

[@seanwhite304]

I have a long neck . I've personally been using YHM Full Flat Top 1/2" Riser for almost 8 years now . That 1.93 - 2.25" height works better for me . Even with LPVO in the prone 1.7 or 1.93 still works best for me . I use 1.93 for my Most of my LPVO Mounts . On my CSASS / DMR 6ARC Setup I use ADM 1.7 Mount . Absolutely phenomenal height for me when in prone for longer strings of fire . Unity Riser and FTC MAGNIFIER Mount are by far my favorite but the YHM 1/2" Riser gets the job done at 1/8 of the cost

[@adrnacad3434]

We all need back up Iron sights on our rifles. I don't care how good your latest and greatest optic is. Anything can happen.

[@blacklabelholsters1635]

As a dude with titanium fused neck, I personally LOVE the taller mounts. I'm running 2.04" mounts for my LPVO scopes and my red dots are up around 2.26" or so.

[@laurence1643]

The "Stache" was cool and looked great . Always look forward to your episodes . ACOG on AR-10 , 1X4 Red dot scope on AR-15 : Both are LWRC spec'd by Team Guys . Weapons specialist USAF 66-70

[@jackstone2993]

Great content. Hope you gives us more. What about those anti walk out rotation pin thingy.

[@rustyshackleford6318]

Why are folks harping on about Irons so much? Yes, I qualified with them at basic. Then I got to my unit and found out why optics are so superior. My ACOG took insane abuse as a route clearance team leader. Never had issues hitting what I needed to. Close or far. All that said. Eotech on Unity riser is the master race.

[@onpsxmember]

Can you do a video on how to find the right riser height if one goes for the top mount rds and what do you think of angled mounts?

[@paulwilson8672]

It is interesting about the height of sights. As a kid a I used a Ruger 10/22 for rabbits and squirrels. The sights are on the barrel. If you added a scope you had to change your body mechanics for the higher scope. I never had a scope. I go into the Marine Corps and the M16A1 with the sights above the barrel and on the carrying handle. I adjusted the body mechanics in order to qual with it. If you added a red dot to an M16A1 it above the iron sights which was already above the barrel. (Closer to the barrel the more accurate) Eventually we go to the A4 and now everything is back to being close to the top of the barrel. Plus you add all the different levels that you guys were using I don't know how you managed the body reference on the rifle to get a consistent shot. Great topic and a great Video!!! Thanks for the history lesson.

[@renegadearms]

I liked the ACOG in its hay day but yeah I now prefer red dots or the flip out of the flip out of the way magnifiers. Agreed I like primary arms optics with the ACSS reticle.

[@eriklambert3809]

I have a Marine dad and Ranger uncle. So I grew up with all the cool 80's guns including AUGs, Colts etc. I went in in 94 and it was a constant evolution until i got out in 2016. Now it's weird to do the carry handle height risers. The IDF have had Trijicon and Meprolight optics on the carry handle forever. Now if they had them on the back instead of the front they would have been 30yrs ahead. But I love my TA31 and red dot

[@RicArmstrong]

Check out the Kram risers for ACOG or PrimaryArms optics. They come in FDE, OD green and black. And they're affordable. 👍

[@mikepoff9451]

Coch is the man!!!

[@DownRange556]

Great video. Interesting history and to see someone who was there before optics were mainstream (I’m turning 50 and remember when irons where all anyone had to shoot with. Unless you had a hunting scope). Again, great video.

[@67buick]

Recently switched to a unity fast micro on my fsb guns. It’s a great combo for me. You can switch from optic to irons with moving anything on the firearm. There’s no fsb distraction if I run a magnifier. I also have a big head so I make decent contact with my chin/cheek. 2.26 isn’t for everyone but I works amazing for me.

[@Maurice599]

Great video per usual! Interesting to see how doctrine changes tech, us grunts were playing laser tag for quite a while there

[@ChrisHolman]

I was not sure if a higher mount would be advantageous or if I would like or need it. I tried the Unity Fast riser and I love it.

[@RolandtheThompsonGunner]

That thing is way over priced.

[@mattmini5613]

Coch whats up. You were my buds instructor! 12 years ago. Time flies.

[@pyeitme508]

Wow risers😮

[@Th3og0ny]

A little off topic but personally I'd choose to run backup irons. Should be proficient enough to use irons on any firearm I choose to train with. Optics may have gotten more reliable but the advantage irons have over optics, never needs batteries.

[@mikereese15]

Great stuff Coch

[@michaelosteen3423]

Another very good video. Thank you. It's interesting to watch gun practices change. A few years ago, if while handling a hand gun you accidentally flagged yourself, you got yelled at. Now we stick them down the front of our pants. Also, we used to make fun of the Russians for mounting their optics so high on their rifles and using a chin weld. It just goes to show you there is no one perfect way to do things.

[@irafowlerjr.7492]

Really enjoyed, very helpful , thanks

[@ineedabeerandaliedwn]

I love the no bs content

[@blantant]

Great stuff as always. Love a good history lesson

[@u.s.aarchangelforgod3679]

TY TT

[@gob7116]

With 1.93s being quite prevalent for all types of optics including LPVOs and with 2.26 being more common place including Unity having their lpvo mount at 2.05, I’d say that 2.26 lpvo mounts are the future. The 1x on the nicer LPVOs are nice enough to passive aim through and with stock cheek risers, the 4th point of contact remains. I guess this is reinforced by the fact that some mounts put the dots even higher than 2.26 or the previous top of the carry handle height with the GBRS mount, hell unity just released a top mount for their 2.05 lpvo mount so that’s also taller than the typical 2.26, I think it’s more similar to a carry handle height of roughly 2.5? Chin weld, cheek weld, it wouldn’t matter as long as it’s a solid point of contact. The cheek risers are all coming out for a reason. HOB will just be something one should keep in mind with via training. Besides, the overall gain in height from a standard cowitness isn’t even more than 2 inches even for the taller mounts as your standard cowitness heights are around 1.54 or less, with the tallest mounts being 2.91 which nets almost 1.5 inch difference. Account for the rail over bore of 1.25 inches and that’s roughly 2.75 and 4.25 inches HOB respectively at point blank. Something to keep in mind while zeroing while also remembering velocity. Sometimes a 50/200 zero becomes a 36/200 with specific combinations of velocity and HOB. Overall, I like the taller optic trend since a heads up shooting position is the same as shooting with a pistol. Peripheral is unobstructed and less strain in the neck and shoulders. While ideally great for NVG passive aiming, I think the ergonomic benefit justifies the trend in itself, that is of course with training too.

[@sinncier]

I went with the cheapest option after removing the handle from my AR-15 upper: A Romeo and Juliet combo. I can use the red dot close and I have the magnifier zero'd at 300 yards hitting 12" targets. It doesnt get anymore versatile than that. LPVO you have a close quarter disadvantage and ACOG might not be as accurate as a magnifier. But i havent tested that yet

[@teddy2guns404]

I use a riser for my draco I can use the irons or my green dot.

[@ivankrylov6270]

Been running a red dot on my lpvo mount for a few months Cant seem to grasp the concept of aiming 6" higher though

[@depthcharge126]

Hey coch, have you tried out the flip magnifiers with the Unity risers? I like that it in conjunction with an Eotech gives me NV, a true 1x, and some magnification if I need it. I’d love to hear your thoughts on civilian application and what makes sense

[@sparkyatlarge]

I've been telling people for years that a red dot on a carry handle still works, especially for patrolling. The 1.93 riser is basically the same thing.

[@C_oprator89]

I think coch is stealing someone’s cat….check under that man’s shirt

[@shammy313]

The higher u go off the bore increases your miss at 200+. Everyone goobers over GBRS. However tier 1 units are doing cqb 99.8% of the time.

[@albertmedalla3941]

What distance zero do you run your top mounted red dot?

[@Flashhood1425]

Look at the wear on that Aimpoint haha… Based AF!

[@einarmyklebust4890]

Unity has the iron sights built in to the riser.

[@673AWSF]

Damn, by the fact that he made it a point to mention, I wonder how many dudes Coch shot in the teeth.

[@RunningWithSauce]

Last time I was in contact with a platoon of midgets, you could tell they were much faster at acquiring targets. My shins were torn up with tiny projectiles that causes a really bad long term rash.

[@gen3kali877]

“Can you take me high enough.”

[@juicemanmusic]

Won't you have better POA/POI at more distances when you have less high over bore? That's where my hesitation comes from with using really high risers, is I don't want to have to worry about adjusting my point of aim as much.

[@thomas_jay]

Any stories about Dick Marcinko?

[@Trav_Can]

It's funny... Coch looks like he could be Mike Rowe's brother.

[@SEPHIEL1]

It seems like the back up/folding rear sight is taking the premier rail space near the shooter eye as opposed to the primary aiming solution. Would it be beneficial to switch places between these for something like the ACOG scenario which would reduce that eye relief gap that Coch described? Perhaps trading off superior eye relief for a shorter sight radius on the back up solution?

[@000207poosh]

Lmfao, Coch, you kill me man😂😂😂

[@johnelder4273]

I don't own a rifle without iron sights. I don't think I ever will. It's just wrong. They only weigh a couple ounces and give me peace of mind.

[@Mrgunsngear]

🇺🇸

[@vasil8334]

Nice

[@gfin4576]

8:51 Based and KP-15 pilled

[@matthewsmith7746]

Coch! What's that on your collar? Two fuzzy little ewok nuts?!

[@davelpz3340]

Microphone.

[@joaoklein1002]

Carry handle.

[@robg8433]

Is that old man hair sticking out of the neck of your shirt? 👀👀😂🤣

[@un_cog9677]

For the algorithm

[@yellowmanusa]

Coch, you can't say "Midget" anymore. Hahaha. It's not 1982, sir. :)

[@ericthomas9915]

🚴‍♂

[@mrshort2379]

I I wish I had the money to try different mounts and optics. to see which works best for me, but me being a pathetic useless loser poor! I have to just go with what I can, when I can, but primarily I just stick to what I got because use it was a gift. otherwise I would have to come up with a magical aiming point, for the reason of not being able to afford an optic or even a cheap set of decent irons! Ammo costs takes up little extra cash I can come up with!