Red Dots on CCW Pistols - Part 3 - NOT RECOMMENDED

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[@trailertrashtactics]

I've experienced this personally. Been using red dots for years now, seemed to work quite well, I went back to irons and literally shoot better and faster, especially at close range. Wish I could tell James this personally. This dude was always WAY ahead of our time in the firearm industry. RIP James you're the man.

[@joshuabracke5775]

Why do you think it is that you shoot irons better than a dot now? Is it due to recoil and finding the dot after a second shot? Do you primarily carry with irons or a dot now? Genuinely curious

[@trailertrashtactics]

@Joshua Bracke I think a big reason for faster shots up close (as most self defense situations are) is because if you have defensive sights such as the amerigo hackathorns, you can see that big green or orange dot in your peripheral way before you get a sight picture with a dot. Since this post, I began using smaller moa dots for competition, and that has helped my accuracy a lot. Especially the 1 moa trijicon sro. I honestly think learning to steady a dot makes irons feel even more steady. They both have their place. As of now, I'm back to carrying with a dot because it's what I compete with and am very comfortable with. Although for self-defense, the little bit of accuracy loss with irons overall versus a dot may be worth the trade for speed up close and not having to worry about batteries, brightness settings, dirty lenses, etc.

[@TheHonestTruth]

Colin noir just had a guy in his channel do an interview where he explained that during his self defense shooting incident, his holosun got caught in his shirt upon draw

[@kagyu1]

I just shot a CCW match today. For the scenarios with targets within 10 yards, I didn't even look at my sights. I was target focused doing point shooting and the shots were solid. When I tried to find the dot , it slowed me down. It's my first Green Dot Sight, I normally carry irons. It's a bit easier at distance , but that's the only difference, I don't think I'm going to mill the slide on my main carry gun,

[@pondacres]

​@@TheHonestTruthI saw that interview. He also said it was all point aim shooting, he doesn't even remember using his sights... which is a common report in defensive shootings.

[@BirdDogey1]

The "Sheriff of Baghdad" SGM in SF has a video stating Red Dots are useless on a concealed carry pistol.

[@fallensoldier7745]

i live in the south. presents a fogging problem moving from a air conditioned environment to a sticky hot humid outdoor environment. Always trust the irons

[@thepewplace1370]

What kind of dot? My rmr 2s with some cat crap routinely go from a 50 degree vehicle to a 110 plus sec state humid outdoors without issue. The only time I can actually make it happen naturally (excepting taking it into the shower and not having the vent on) is sticking under actual refrigeration and going straight outside.

[@donkey1984able]

Miss ya James!

[@bs4597]

I really appreciate all you offer to the community James. Thank you for being you and providing this and much more to us.

[@Zarthalad]

I appreciate your candid honest from an actual shooting instructor with many years of experience because from just thinking about it, I have thought like you but pondered the question. Thank you for saving me a bunch of money! :) God bless you and your family, James.

[@wolfriver3421]

Training is way more important than any gear your going to buy .. And he's completely right about that

[@wolfriver3421]

I stockpiled a long time ago .. And by me I haven't seen a big difference in price on ammo just empty shelves or not in stock .. But it's kinda expensive in my state anyway .

[@turbobill1747]

@@wolfriver3421 ITS DOUBLED IN PRICE FOR ME,BUT I GOT A LOT OF 9MM

[@stultsn]

Guy.. ammo has fucking doubled if not more around me. Pisses me off. And the Covid bullshit is making it worse for ammo makers and the market.

[@nhonphan7704]

Thank you James. You are with the Lord now but your teaching remains with us. Rest in Peace.

[@reload7344]

I have been a CCW holder for a bit now, and I love iron sights. The problem I am having is that my right eye can't pick up the front sight like I used to. I am finding that I have to work too hard to see a blurry front sight. I have taken pistol classes over the years, and I am going to try a red dot. I have tried corrective lenses, but to access my bi focal portion of my glasses forces me to cock my neck too far back for comfort. Getting old is a bummer. So I'm giving it a shot. To the crew carrying on James's legacy. Keep up the good work. I live out on the West Coast and have never attended a TR class, but I always respected James' insight into shooting and gunfighting. I am currently watching a lot of his old videos, and I am glad we have them.

[@Joey0367]

I work in the optical field, have you ever tried progressive lenses they work much better with red dots,etc?

[@reload7344]

@Joey0367 I just got my progressive lenses back after I had asked my doctor to move them up more. But I think they changed the prescription and made them worse. I would like to shoot iron sights for a while longer. But they just did not get my lenses right.

[@homeinthewhiteoaks]

Back up iron sights that make you look through the glass caused my PD some issues. most of the time it was not that the dot went down it was the glass was fogged, or covered in something else. And with that issue the back up front sight was invisible also. Cold AC in the car on summer nights was a big issue at the time (mid to late 2000's) with rifles coming from a cruiser rack. Anti fog helped, but I don't think I would want to look through glass on both guns, just in case that gremlin showed up in a fight.

[@pmular]

If you shoot with both eyes open it is irrelevant.

[@Robert-qm7yi]

Peter Mular Lies, it's still very relevant. I shoot both eyes open, hard to put a dot or front sight on someone if you can't see the dot or front sight, no amount of training will let you see a dot when it's obscured sufficiently

[@gtdfirearmsllc4759]

@@pmular Yeah. It’s becoming common now to tape over the front of the optic, in training and even in comps.

[@gsp8489]

@@Robert-qm7yi Bindon Aiming Concept. The primary eye will see the illuminated reticle inside the sight, while the other eye sees the target and the background. These are two separate images, but the brain receives the signal from both eyes and automatically merges the images. You can complete cover the RMR with tape and still shoot with the dot with both eyes open.

[@EnriquetheSquirrel]

Do you even support the 2A if your micro pistol doesnt have a threated barrel with silencer, read dot, pistol light and a 30 round stick???

[@bobyjones3905]

I’m on a lot a firearms pages . You are right I see people buying their first pistol. The first thing they do is ask which optic and light do other members recommend. Haven’t even shot the pistol to know if they like it had no training and already wanting to do upgrades.

[@MrScott3060]

I carry the H&K VP9sk with the halosun scs optics and up until now I never used an optic but being 62 my eyes arent what they should be but I find that the optic helps me get on target much faster and accuracy in not a problem either. The fact that I dont need to worry about the batter because this optic is solar powered I will never go back to iron sights.

[@Joey0367]

I have red and green dots on my guns except for my ccw. No point of having one on my ccw, because there’s no time to adjust my shot in a close and quick scenario.

[@philipstrotherjr8842]

Miss this guy.

[@aleffel9668]

I’ve recently slowly switched to dots and I don’t think I’m going to turn back. Definitely need to get some practice and training in with them, but from here on out I will probably be using red dots on serious use handguns

[@trevornutcher8607]

My biggest issue on red dot vs irons/xs was the red dot fills up with lint/dust and gets scratched often as a carry gun. I just switched to xs big dots a month ago, lower profile and easier to conceal as well. Plus your not 400 for a dot and 400 for a milled slide on top of a 400 dollar gun...

[@snafu673]

I was at the Alumni weekend and I did shoot the Terran Tactical pistol (Very nice weapon) with the red dot and it exposed flaws in my grip that I have to work on.

[@preyingmathis2517]

My biggest problem with a red dot on a pistol is the lint trap that it is. Freaking nightmare trying to keep it clean. And also for me any little jiggle is magnified x10 vs iron sights. I will keep it on my nightstand pistol but daily carry.... No more.

[@johnshepherd8687]

I bought a G48 MOS just to see how it works. I found my experience to be the same as yours. Right out of the box I could put a magazine worth of rounds in the 4 and 5 rings if a FLETC target at 50 yards if I took my time. Without the dot I would be happy to hit the silhouette half time at that range.. However, that is not a very likely scenario. At realistic self defense ranges I was faster if a little less accurate with iron from the holster and that is the most important shot in a DGU. I am sure if I took that extra time I would be just as accurate. The more the shots I fired after the draw tended to favor the red dot. I found the bouncing dot to be a distracted when shooting on the move which made me slower and less accurate. I am sure the same thing happens with irons but being fixed in place gives a reference point. I will probably remove the red dot when I finish all my experimentation and just use iron sights.

[@ssjronin3972]

What happened, did you keep it on or take it off?

[@nathandrake6473]

I’ve shot irons on pistols since my first, I am by no means partial. I bought a holosun micro for my carry pistol out of curiosity. I’m my experience it was weird getting use to but once I got the hang of it. Your age right about them nkt really helping but once you get out of thag distance it helps a lot! When it really comes down to it, train train train and get proficient with your equipment

[@paulcrane8597]

I've taken 4 classes im always the only guy running irons. I'm like the ugly duckling 😂

[@18echo]

Me too , welcome to the ugly duckling MMFRS club 💪🏼💪🏼💪🏼

[@mikewerden4056]

At 2:27 of video "Put the thing on the thing and press the thing" Probably no better explanation of CCW self defense with a firearm.

[@rodvan-zeller6360]

I agree with you. Most of my training came from OSS Fairbairn/Applegate.

[@Wraith35]

Thank you for coming forward and saying this.

[@NoEdits704]

I run an rmr on my house gun, night sights on carry gun.

[@Captain-ln3vh]

I love this dudes straight forward talk. I’m pretty tired of soft talk and let’s not hurt feelings crap. Good job keeps me listening.

[@vincenta.1677]

Sure miss James! Iron's are much faster. Defensive hanging employment usually happens in a matter of seconds or less. Point shooting is the natural instinct. Milliseconds Matter 👍

[@hunterkiller232134]

Irons are slower. Look at any metric that measures draw to first shot in a red dot vs irons. Both eyes open, target focused shooting is faster.

[@stephenrossi5660]

I respect your opinion but I disagree like anything else more training and tim you put in better it is

[@paulrideout5195]

I agree with your opinion on ccw pistol. I am left eye dominant and use red dots on carbines and rifles. What is your opinion on lasers on ccw pistols. I carry the Olight Baldr mini on taurus G3c. I also have laser lights on my home defense gun.

[@TacticalResponseCrew]

I suggest you get training.

[@JonGar1911]

I agree with the “tool of the expert” I know some new shooters with dots and their still just as bad and irons. I saw an advantage for me with a dot. But in my case my carry gun is my competition gun, my work gun is the same gun but with irons. If the students are using irons I use irons, once we as instructors do our proficiency training together my dot comes out. But in the end “you do you” is probably the biggest advice anyone can give. This video made me want to take a trip to TN and take a class ( once this Covid travel restrictions end)

[@TacticalResponseCrew]

We do classes in other locations.

[@JonGar1911]

James Yeager I just saw. Can’t wait for this whole Covid DOD mileage restriction thing 🤦🏽‍♂️

[@valor992]

@@JonGar1911 you really think the DOD is coming after you over mileage? Sounds like excuses to me...

[@JonGar1911]

OutlawStar K9 I’m in the Army can’t take leave or passes that far out for mileage. Besides I like my job 😂 once I retire I’ll set my own rules 😂

[@proguninc4080]

People are always quick to buy something to add to their gun because they think it will help them shoot better instead of investing into what they REALLY need, which is TRAINING.

[@olivieraleman]

“Put the thing on the thing and push the thing”…..great description.

[@johnspace1876]

"Put that thing on that thing and press." Good advice for several things.

[@Juan0481]

Press.... the thing

[@turbobill1747]

Each individual should use whats best for them,i like both red dots or steel sights.Its more abt training to me.

[@mmagscott]

Love your integrity to say way you believe. So many gun people just want to sell us more equipment.

[@lb7144]

Preach Mike. All I’m hearing is how great pistol red dots are and I agree. Problem is none of them are demonstrating multiple concealed carry draws with a red dot. Shirt tail out, sport coat, sitting, standing, laying on your back, laying on your stomach. I just don’t see it with a red dot. That’s the old LEO in me.

[@jadm110]

I was shooting with my holosun last weekend 2:30 pm , sunny day, I had the sun slightly at my back and I had the screen of my holosun wash out, with w red haze, couldn't see the dot, couldn't see the suppressor sights, could barley make out the targets. "in the middle of the afternoon! this happened several times. I had to move to the shade toget the sight to clear up. ( nothing wrong with the sight,) I am now rethinking putting a red dot on my carry gun

[@---tx9xx]

wow which model

[@jadm110]

@@---tx9xx 508t

[@airsoftarmy77]

“I mistakenly thought” a man who can admit his mistakes to thousands is a man to listen to. Great video James!

[@covertprepper5957]

@@Lorenzo_Marchetti4537 Then why don't more people do it?

[@lyflonglearner]

Thanks James! Been on the fence about getting my slide cut with an rmr cut and a red dot for some time now...I think you just saved me 600.00 - 700.00!!!: ) appreciate all your insight!

[@D1d_You_Know]

Or you could spend 6-700$ on an MOS Pistol and have two

[@ManuelofAnime]

Sage Dynanics would disagree but as you stated this is your opinion...and you're definitely entitled to that.

[@hcctlive6475]

My first thought was Aaron too LOL! Like James said, "you do you" and I will. I will continue to carry with my 507c and train as I always have.

[@jaytee7822]

Lol , yep and that why you should train with all the best teachers you can then formulate your own ideals. Yeager isn't wrong nor right "here', but I digress.

[@tking1170]

@jamesyeager Respectfully, I can't disagree with your experience, but what about us old guys with failing eyesight? I have iron sights on my carry guns, but I can shoot much better with the ones that have red dots. Sorry if stupid question, but I've been thinking of switching and I listen to you opinions. Disclaimer: I've only shot one mag from a gun with big dots. My accuracy was less than stellar, but would surely improve with practice. I guess my main question is, which is better for near sighted people.

[@TacticalResponseCrew]

The next time you watch this video LISTEN and you will hear your answer.

[@AllanG1914]

Big dots or fiber fronts with a black red sight works very much light a red dot for me. Side note. For really close distances, I hear someone say you could use the hood of the red dot for quick aiming.

[@CraigSummers]

Yes. You can use the top of the housing (guillotine method), look thru the glass (my preferred method, or stick the back plate on your target

[@Billy-fn1un]

I carry a 19 with a red dot and big dot suppressor height sights.

[@wread1982]

It’s more just instinct when you need to shoot in self defense, it’s mind muscle connection from previous training sessions that kick into play, you don’t even need any sights to aim if someone is right in front of you. I even practice shooting from the hip and can hit a bulls eye target from 5 feet

[@realtalk3653]

I completely agree with you!!

[@jbrannon509]

I'm glad I've never had the urge to buy any pistol red dot. It just doesn't appeal to me. I like simplicity and reliability. It one of the reasons that I was drawn to this channel years ago. Simple, no bullshit approach.

[@tacdad]

Like I said a few years ago, buy a Glock instead of a Sig Legion and with the $500 you saved get some training. Buy a holosun instead of a trijicon and you are almost halfway there as well.

[@Ideo7Z]

If a guy can afford a Sig Legion, he can get the training as well without batting an eye. My boss bought an STI Staccato, a case of ammo and signed up for a class with Baer solutions without stressing over the hit on his wallet. It's what he feels his and his family's life is worth.

[@ino592002]

I tend to agree Mr Yeager. I have been playing around with the Red dot on pistols for about a year now. Took a class using it also but like you said when you are under stress like a shot timer your perceived proficiency is diminished by that stressor. I'm not saying they are not useful but in my training so far I'm better with my irons. Lastly I do not want the Po Po to have my nice red dot slided pistol in custody God forbid I ever get into a situation. Which brings me to my last point something I think about a lot, your carry pistol should be one that you have come to grips with having it confiscated if you ever had to use it. Good shoot or not from what I have read and heard they police are taking that weapon for a period of time you. Your thoughts?

[@Ir0nF1st924]

You should have a backup pistol to carry for when your main pistol gets confiscated. Regardless of whether your main pistol has a red dot or just iron sights, you should have a backup ready to go.

[@EaglesWings4ever]

Stephen right on 👌🏽

[@fdemikey1235]

I personally like red dots on my pistols I do have one irons-only gun as well! I learned how to use it at both close and far distances. I like the fact that he explains HIS point of view on it and I like how he even says I'm not saying not to do it. He's giving us his two cents in essence and I think it is a very good video for people to watch if they are debating on a red dot or not and to watch some videos on why to use one and make their decision. James is super knowledgeable and will always give you a reason behind his opinion on things.

[@shaunhawk7598]

I don’t have any experience with a red dot on a pistol but I like my iron sights. I just took a pistol class Saturday and with that training I felt I could easily line up my irons pretty quickly. Of course focus on the front. I was considering a red dot until this class.

[@gew1898]

I think it’s a personal preference thing, as Mr. Yeager says. I think red dots work great on rifles. But on pistols, in my limited experience, it takes me longer to acquire a sight picture. I’m sure it’s something that you could train around but I’ll stick with my iron sights for pistols.

[@TheFittedRockStar]

Have you tried the big dot?

[@gew1898]

Mario Duncan Excess Big Dot? Yes. I like them. I’ve only tried one pistol with a red dot sight. I just used it as my friend had his set up.

[@bigbullet9224]

Hope all is well man

[@paulmaglio9254]

What do you recommend for people that have trouble seeing the front sight - especially in less than ideal lighting (besides glasses!)? I Am not beholden to any one idea, just looking for options.

[@TacticalResponseCrew]

XS Big Dots

[@paulmaglio9254]

@@TacticalResponseCrew 'll look into it. Thanks.

[@ruckusmaximus3764]

Gathering up all my stuff for tomorrow's class.. nervously excited its gonna be a warm couple of days... i have so much to learn I can't wait!

[@covertprepper5957]

Good info James. I have a Holosun on one of my Glocks but my EDC is still the 43X with the DX2 Big Dots

[@markt.3454]

Nicely and respectfully done! A question: Have you seen or done any kind of evaluation for trifocal wearers who eyes aren't what they were back in their USMC youth? I did trade my stock sights for a big hi-vis tritium sight and got measurable improvement. An instructor thought I see more improvement with a red dot. Any solid info?

[@Rageingmeatbal]

I’ve out shot shooters running $4G steccatos with RDS, while I run either my duty/off duty Glock 45 with a high visibility orange front and night sight rears. Or my P226. Irons are superior on a pistol. A argument could be made for comp shooting, but we don’t train for that only combat.

[@hunterkiller232134]

That just indicates you've spent more time training with irons than they have with red dots. If you spent an equal time training with a red dot you'd be better than the same amount of time with irons. This is not up for debate and is why every professional organization that uses pistols is gravitating towards red dots. Look at USPSA for actual quantifiable data on how much faster dots are than irons.

[@jamesalles139]

thanks for the research

[@TacticalResponseCrew]

More to come.

[@jamesalles139]

@@TacticalResponseCrew Oh. I was just feeding the algorithm. Thanks for the reply! As an OG that just started shooting I have some input on this topic. I am cross-eyed dominant, and with prescription glasses for distance and the need for reading glasses a long-gun is manageable, but a handgun is rough. I decided to commit to optical sights on all of my tools. Not just any red dot though. My research shows that a Holographic sight minimizes the parallax error, which _should_ help the close-in accuracy. I will be confirming that theory for myself. TL;DR I already know that the holographic sight allows me to keep both eyes open.

[@wildman3007]

I agree with u mr. Yeager i think there's a place for red dot on a hand gun but for me personally i perfer iron sights i guess im just more use to them from my younger days growing up shooting daisy pellet guns and 22 lr . And my ccw doesn't need anymore on it then what it already has which is the stock irons it doesn't hurt to upgrade to night sights but being comfortable with the weapon that u intend use if needed to me is the most important ,training and handling ur firearm on a daily is key .

[@timothygalloway1030]

i have been a a shooter for several years i recently lost my vison and can no longer get a clear sight picture with traditional sights. I tried peep sights and big dot nothing worked. Recently put a vortex viper on my EDC to try and after about 2 hours was able to rapidly keep groups at 10 yards of 2 inches. This may not be to impressive but from shooting a 14 inch group at 7 yards with traditional sights the red dot works for me. My wife tried it for a couple weeks of daily practice and she hates it..... so ???? who knows but for me it works

[@TacticalResponseCrew]

What training have you had?

[@timothygalloway1030]

@@TacticalResponseCrew I’ve had 0 training for a instructor .... I’ve just shot dueling trees and swingers from a still and moving positions I was averaging about 500 rounds a week before my vision faded and now I try to get 2-250 a week price of ammo bout all you can do

[@TacticalResponseCrew]

Survival Principles 1. Mindset 2. Tactics 3. Skill 4. Gear You are missing some pieces.

[@timothygalloway1030]

@@TacticalResponseCrew Your Classes how many days or sessions ate they?

[@elijahanderson6736]

I think the biggest advantage besides NV is the fact dots do not require you to align multiple object at all. If you grew up shooting only dots on pistols you would argue why the hell would anyone use irons on a pistol because you got to align sights. Saying that, I carry a Glock 19 with XS F8 sights because it’s simple and for the distances I hope to use it I don’t need a dot.

[@gregh5000]

How much red dot handgun training did you get during this past year of evaluation?

[@TacticalResponseCrew]

48 hours hands on.

[@85montie]

I hate finding out I am wrong on a topic.... This may turn out to be bigger than your 40 cal stance... Thank you again for your valuable perspective.

[@Blind0062]

I wonder why red dots don't work as well when used at close distances?

[@jeff2545mp]

I notice you said for concealed carry, would this recommendation still hold true for a duty pistol? I just want to make sure that I don't misunderstand what you are saying.

[@vevenaneathna]

miss ya

[@shanehoward4197]

I've had my RMR on my Glock 19 for awhile now and I can't train past the speed of acquiring a sight picture at close range. I think i'll install it on top of my ACOG.

[@erggml1887]

You started to cover the reason why, involving close distances, but then shifted away from them. Is there any way that you could please demonstrate your reasons on a range? I know that a lot of people are better at learning by seeing it than by hearing it, myself included. If you dont want to or cannot for one reason or another, that's ok. In that case can you please explain a little more about your reasons? Either way, thank you.

[@kendelvalle1025]

Tried a Romeo on my Sig 365 XL. Took it off after about ten days.

[@thetyepilot2501]

Its all about practicing speed and developing muscle memory to get red dot on target and shooting it accurately.

[@TacticalResponseCrew]

You have never done Force on Force.

[@thetyepilot2501]

@@TacticalResponseCrew I have. Been in law enforcement for 9 years.

[@TacticalResponseCrew]

So you are saying you have done FoF with a red dot?

[@thetyepilot2501]

@@TacticalResponseCrew yes

[@TacticalResponseCrew]

I invite you to come to our FoF class in exchange for you allowing me to film you. Because if you can do anything other than point shoot inside 15 feet, under stress. you will be the first.

[@joshmayfield702]

Thanks for the update!

[@owenfeeny6434]

Irons are more reliable Nd thats what matters in self defense situation

[@TacticalResponseCrew]

I have seen more front sights fall off than red dots.

[@owenfeeny6434]

lock tight is key ..not against red dots but in most self defense situations it’s going to be point Nd shoot

[@TacticalResponseCrew]

P&S doesn't work.

[@keithlivingston6973]

So I have a m&p with a rds on I love it but what you said under stress I agree completely. I had crazy night in November someone tried to get in my house bashing the door and such I grabbed my pistol with a rds I have never seen the dot shake so much I’m still guessing from the range I was at I would have hit them if I needed to but it made me second guess the red dot. I love it target shooting but I switched to my Glock 19 for home defense and ccw

[@stultsn]

You make valid points. It’s a great discussion to have man.

[@stevenabshire]

Thank you for the information James. The biggest thing I take away from your videos is you are teaching people to fight and stay alive.

[@bubbafinch07]

I'm interesting in a red dot. But I'm more comfortable with iron sights. Interesting take. Thanks!

[@18echo]

Totally agree , seen a lot of guys trying to John wick it without ever learning the fundamental, and me trying to suggest a different approach and getting that look we old timers get 😐😑😐

[@jerrybrown1446]

So now what am I supposed to do with my 40 caliber 1911 with an RMR and stendo-clip?🤣

[@Caldor101]

So if I understand the message, James Yeager feels if you have to pick between training and the dot to choose training. Also that the recoil causes slower followup shots finding the dot?

[@Donjuan51]

NOT if you k ow how to shoot with one

[@mattblandin1878]

Did you find any value in shooting on the move with the red dot vs irons? I think that is one of the things I like best since I transitioned to a dot on my carry gun.

[@tntac1]

What’s your thoughts on red dots for something like a church security situation, seems like the likelihood of having to take a longer shot from cover might be a good reason for a red dot?

[@TacticalResponseCrew]

I suggest training.

[@556poor7]

Haven’t tried one yet but love the data point from James, worst case if you get one and it doesn’t work on a pistol put it on a 10/22.

[@armedprophet3321]

Thank you for your Honesty

[@TheSquirrelE]

Well said James. May you rest in peace.

[@boomdevildog1606]

Outstanding

[@Steveo_00700]

"It all changes after it inverse's itself." That pretty much says it all. Put someone under pressure and throw adrenaline into the equation a red dot can slow you down getting you killed or injured.

[@johnknouse8846]

I just got my first optic ready pistol (Canik TP9SFx) with a Vortex Venom red dot. Like you, I thought it was gonna be a game changer like it was on my rifle. Nope! I’m starting to get use to it, but for conceal carry, no way. Why add more to an already crazy stressful situation. I’m comfortable drawing and quickly finding my target with the irons, so I don’t see it helping a whole lot in that situation anyway. Fun to plink with though.

[@travispowell2471]

So far i have never lost my sight picture on my iron sights cuz my battery went dead. Not a fan of red dots either. May change tho when my eyes go south.

[@dalecrummie5818]

My eyes did, red dots don't help, all they do is flare.

[@InformalGreeting]

First, I absolutely believe you know more than I do. I’m not in a position to argue, but this is my experience. My eyes suck. Bad. Focusing on a front site post is exceedingly difficult for me. Red dots solve that problem. So do big dots. But FOR ME the accuracy with a bug dot is far worse than with an RMR. I will have similar group sizes at double the distance with the RMR. Nope, they aren’t perfect. There are drawbacks to anything. But as I’ve worked through this myself, the RMR seems to work best.

[@BIGBALLINJOE1]

I have had the same experience

[@Jmdeclue]

I am in the same position, north of half a century and the eyes aren’t what they used to be. I use Red Dots on my range/target guns but not on my CCW. I practice with my CCW, without glasses, because I assume things are not going to go my way if I am ever in a gun/fight. I only care about hitting my target and having enough vision and awareness to not hit a bystander. Just my two cents and it may worth less.

[@jubjub905]

Cyclone Bravo those who care about where their rounds go.

[@orbeclipse1]

@Cyclone Bravo Uhh people who want to hit what they're aiming at, and not hit things they're not aiming at.

[@hikerbro3870]

Cyclone Bravo The good guy standing within 10 feet of the bad guy.

[@ridgetac2633]

Not a RDS person but also not a Big Dot person. I run Dawson Precision Fibers on my 19 that I carry daily. Personal preferences.

[@TacticalResponseCrew]

People that have never done force on force don't like big dots.

[@johnkbear3901]

How do you feel about older people or far sited people who have trouble seeing the front post?

[@TacticalResponseCrew]

Take a class from me.

[@inyourdefense0]

I've reached the same conclusion. Spending 50% of the cost of the gun on a red dot just doesn't make sense. Big Dot is a much better upgrade.

[@warweaponx6629]

I’ve spent a significant amount of time behind an RMR on a Glock 19. James is 100% correct. For a CCW pistol irons are the way to go.

[@jimf.625]

Good advice.

[@randygibbons8416]

Thank you for the clarification and the definitive recommendation. Great stuff as usual.

[@repenterdie]

At a minimum this is a topic that is debated amongst subject matter experts. That debate should, without a doubt, create a pause for anyone thinking about getting a red dot pistol. Personally I carry a gun with a RMR, but, at the point i made that decision I had about 800 hours of professional instruction under my belt. The dot is not a fix and not without some compromises.

[@jpenna1976]

I think dot might be a fix, when age starts to take effect on vision. It varies a lot from person to another, how severe it will be. For me at 45, shooting irons is starting to get tricky and achieving good accuracy from 25m is becoming clearly more difficult. ...and it definitely is not due to lack of practice or training. Glock MOS series is starting to look more and more tempting every day.

[@noelortiz2557]

I went to the range today way more accurate without sights

[@kurvaonwheels]

I agree there's no rush to switch to red dots, but if someone trained (properly) from the beginning with red dots, I think they will be able to perform just as well as they would have with iron sights. And I can see some other advantages such as someone with deteriorating eye sight.

[@caseyloftis]

I have no idea how many rounds RP put through the John Wick gun. That was the first thing he told his mom about Alumni.

[@caseycorbett3029]

What plate carrier or company do you recommend?

[@TacticalResponseCrew]

Links below every video.