Crimewatch UK April 1991

Nick Ross and Sue Cook present. Cases include a rape in Chiswick London and the murder of John Green in Poole, Dorset.

[@dianesmith8335]

The 80/90s seemed crazy, without mobile phones it seemed like the Wild West

[@noka1979]

It was a magnificent time

[@zeddeka]

@@noka1979 every era is magnificent when you're young. Because it's being young that's magnificent.

[@zeddeka]

Always the case with the past - the further the time passes, the stranger it seems. You're right though - there were a lot of things wrong back then. There was a kind of underlying harshness in society, particularly in the 80s. Britain had the highest level of violent crime in Europe during the 80. There was a lot of unemployment, lots of places were very run down, and things like football hooliganism and alcohol fuelled violence were relatively common. People were much more intolerant and quite a bit more naive in many ways. We've become more aware of a lot of things now. I dare say though that in 30-40 years time, people will think we're very strange now.

[@DeeDerry]

Back then people were getting away with ALSORTS 🤦🏻‍♀️

[@anthonymcken6050]

@@zeddeka It was a bad time for me and my family we were dirt poor.

[@sdeee3842]

Poor Vicky not found until 16 years later poor kid got lost. 😢

[@colincampbell815]

What sort of rapist goes to the girls door and asks if the girls alright 😂😂😂😂

[@lukewilly]

Probably had regret or was seeing if she had reported it like they pointed out. Probably first time he’s done it

[@robbo391]

Several women rang up saying they'd been attacked by him

[@HdHd-hp6qz]

Because he’s realised she knows what he looks like knows what his car looks like and that he’s a cab driver in the area. He probably lives in Chiswick aswell. By going back to her house it’s an intimidating factor letting her know he knows where she lives.

[@domoreilly5147]

How did the guy get £52k from the casino? Did he steal it from the safe?

[@MsVanorak]

puzzled me too

[@06hurdwp]

Presumably he cheated. Quite ironic given that casinos exist by cheating customers out of money with rigged odds.

[@golgotha3938]

@@06hurdwp Gambling is tax for stupid people.The lottery is even rigged! They don’t even broadcast the draw live anymore,the computer chooses the set of numbers that hasn’t been bet on . If you remember in the 90s your bet had to be in 1hr or hours before the draw,to give the computer time to process the numbers and choose a set not bet on.That’s keyed into the machine which picks those numbers.Nowadays there’s no delay as the computers are fast enough. Of course some people occasionally win to keep the illusion alive.

[@margaretbanks8969]

First one of special interest as was born in Chiswick and mum and dad used to go to Hammersmith plais when they were courting. I

[@ladylaughter7393]

I’m interested in the boy with the beauty spots in a triangular shape on his cheek. Any more info on that anywhere?

[@GraceEH]

Hi Redcar just wondering can I have the date of the case of Sam the man who was killed in London ? By a payed killer by his wife they found out in the background information

[@rs-qt1qg]

April 1992

[@spike197047]

It's that time again

[@carina914]

That bogus doctor. Omg :D

[@jevg.8072]

Anyone know the song from 35:08 to 35:21?

[@ruantengyi]

it’s hard to listen to the lyrics with the hostess talking

[@mickykedian7753]

Move your body by Technotronic

[@Harry-fk5of]

This show always leaves me feeling a bit paranoid for the rest of the evening

[@jemshadow123]

oh but don't have nightmares, sleep well - that patronising drab doesn't work lol

[@QueenAbigail.the1st]

Technology has certainly helped reduce these type of crimes, sadly they still happen but reduced which is good.

[@AACE73]

In case you finally get a knock on the door from the police?

[@LANCSKID]

@@jemshadow123The crass and meaningless catchphrase from Saint Nick.

[@tezza86tezza90]

Poor vicky. That monster Peter tobin

[@WillC1528]

Was the boy from the obscene publications act ever identified? Shame it took such a long time to finally resolve the Vicky Hamilton case. What that poor family must have gone through for years, not knowing what happened to her. Peter Tobin is an absolute monster.

[@domoreilly5147]

I shudder to think he how many people Tobin might have killed.

[@UnderAGlassMetropolis]

@Dom O'Reilly 48, apparently.

[@nmfeb70]

The subtitles are hilarious to read. Among the many belters are, "He was around 36 feet tall!" (Thirty, six feet tall). Terrific stuff!

[@TimmyTickle]

Shouldn't be too hard to track him down

[@clioflano421]

The woman who identified her lollipop... The subtitles made me rofl

[@clioflano421]

​@@TimmyTickle,😂😂😂

[@AACE73]

​@@TimmyTicklespends his life looking down on everyone

[@HeyK47]

I didn’t have subtitles the enabled. I did, however, think about the importance of punctuation when Big Dave said that out loud. He could’ve took a breath lol😂

[@auntsally36]

Always watched this programme every week. I remember my mum phoning in once after the murders in Pembrokeshire. We had seen a man fitting the description of a suspect in a service station in Carmarthenshire.

[@TheWorldofGood79]

In the mock line up the actor Wayne Goddard back in 1985 starred with Roger Daltrey in Buddy on the BBC. It was filmed at my old school Cavendish Comprehensive in Eastbourne & the home scenes were filmed in St Leonards on Sea. Some of my old friends are in Buddy. It is worth watching & all 5 episodes are on KZbin.

[@clioflano421]

Is Chesney hawkes in that film?... buddy

[@TheWorldofGood79]

@@clioflano421 Chesney Hawks was in the film Buddy's Story which was made after the TV series.

[@deanmobley1112]

Evening all, it’s crimewatch time!!

[@tomgraham3206]

Wonder whether they caught the guy who attacked the woman whose car broke down on the hard shoulder. I can't find anything about it. Awful case.

[@meggriffin94]

The bit at 27:25 about the young boy is one of the eeriest appeals I have seen on Crimewatch.

[@Alessiasbackheal]

Grim ☹️

[@ryanohara476]

The social experiment was good i remembered after the acted crime. I recalled the White Ford Escort but the identity parade was abit difficult K was juggling between number 2 and 7. It just goes to show how difficult it is for the witness and victims accounts of the crime. For the police to piece together photo-fit e-fits cars descriptions etc. It's amazing how e-fits, artist impressions and photo-fits lead to convictions with memories being some what vauge and fuzzy a while after the crime was committed .

[@patrickfakeman2873]

Have been binging these for the past few weeks. the amount of unsolved cases is shocking. Great TV though.

[@jamessullivan9125]

Loving the uploads reconstruction s are like mini movies chilling

[@margaretbanks8969]

Also have to bear in mind with witnesses, people see things from different perspectives I'm 5ft tall so some one of 5ft 7 would be talk to Mr whereas to someone of 6ft 4 they'd be short.

[@TheOne-fe8wk]

Fuckin hell 2:58 relax bro. I thought u were going to knock her out lol

[@AACE73]

It was a bit harsh wasn't it?! Blimey

[@irene-jb7jc]

This was a really good programme? I would certainly bring this back .

[@zeddeka]

It's been back on for many years, in the mornings. It's very different though, because crime is very different now

[@ryanohara476]

Cheers RedCard74! Since August I've seen every Crimewatch UK from June 1984-April 1991! 😁

[@Wadworth6XLad]

Fantastic isn’t it. And even the one or two blanks there were have now been filled in! Maybe eventually we will be able to see every episode of CW, or at least close to. A lot of ones from later years are already out there.

[@ryanohara476]

@@Wadworth6XLadI know Yes it would be amazing to see every remaining episode from May 1991-December 2004 at least the first 20 years mainly so I can remind myself in 2004 uploads when I was aged 12 and 13 blushing at a very attractive Rav Wilding! 😂😂🤣🤣😂

[@daviddrysdale2746]

What a feeling! I am 41 but for an hour ever night i feel 13 again! 🤣

[@rutter1ify]

Same here!👍

[@rayoflight6505]

Poor Vicky Hamilton that evil piece of shit Peter Tobin got his hands on her. I'm surprised this case didn't get a reconstruction it was very high profile.

[@Hi-kq1vi]

Her remains were not far from my house-30 minutes or less away along with those of Dinah McNicol who went missing five months after this while hitchhiking home from a music festival . Tobin it seems had planted the purse there to mislead detectives & it worked. Can remember there was also some talk that she had posed for some underage fetish photos for some weirdo who was a suspect in her murder

[@ianbousfield5007]

Didn't they find tobins kids dna on the purse years later?

[@Hi-kq1vi]

@@ianbousfield5007 Yes-news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/tayside_and_central/7745842.stm

[@rayoflight6505]

Yes it leads to the conclusion that when he offered her a lift he had his son with him to persuade her he was a genuine guy. Poor girl.

[@rayoflight6505]

I think he was only about 2 at the time though so probably had no memories.

[@katemissfilanpurrmcdevitt]

Good morning CrimeWatchers how are you? Thank you again RedCard74 hope you all have a lovely day Xx

[@deltabravo4097]

Good Evening once again All you fellow Crimewatchers.Good Evening RedCard.Thanks for the usual upload.Been looking forward to it all day

[@patsyparisi2620]

I fucking love this music

[@stephenroche4897]

That first recon was a bit Grange Hill. “Half-Caste”? Ouch!

[@sirandrelefaedelinoge]

The phrase half caste wouldn't have raised an eyebrow back then; you can't judge historical events through a modern day lens - history doesn't work like that.

[@lukewilly]

Won’t be able to say black in 5 more years

[@noka1979]

I thought wtf

[@lnteIIigence]

I have a caramel friend like you!

[@LANCSKID]

I recently overheard two Nigerian men referring to their friend ‘Darkie’. True story.

[@misplacedkiwi9498]

Wow, branksome jn poole. Weird to see it in 1991 especially the buses

[@lorrainehaig3360]

Perfect. Thank you Redcard.

[@feardheas4548]

Tobin also killed the other girl that was hitchhiking a few months before this aired. I reckon a lot of unsolved cases are the work of one man.

[@davidbatthews3811]

Fear Dheas There is even a theory that he was “Bible John”, the only known cases involving Tobin are when is he was in his sixties, which is unusually late for a serial killer. 🤔

[@sirandrelefaedelinoge]

Dinah McNicol...

[@09weenic]

@@davidbatthews3811 I think the police changed their mind regarding Tobin being Bible John

[@MsVanorak]

one gang all covering for each other

[@kalebind1]

😥😥

[@jackhenderson2979]

The 2nd reconstruction is misleading. They did not make a mk4 ford escort xr3i on a A registration.

[@09weenic]

Jack Henderson ok Mr Clarkson

[@letsdiscussitoversometea8479]

That is correct, however it could arguably be a cherished number plate. Vehicles newer than the reg year can display older plates, but not the other way around (legally speaking).

[@johncook496]

Right on time! Cheers Redcard!

[@BlytheWorld1972]

this is the first time Vicky Hamilton was featured on crimewatch

[@ryandaly1146]

How many time was it featured on Crimewatch? Did they ever do a reconstruction of Vicky. I am shocked how brief her disappearance was featured back in 1991.

[@BlytheWorld1972]

yes there is a full Reconstruction on Vicky in 1992 and 1994 there are features and later in the series this first one was just weeks after she went missing

[@Hi-kq1vi]

@@ryandaly1146 Same for Lee Boxell in 1988-we have to remember that a lot of people go missing & there might not be enough at the time to justify a full segment-this was less than 2 months after she went missing & there were seemingly no witnesses, or any that had come forward at that point.

[@littlemissbumblebee5537]

@@nathaniliescu4597 Takes one to know one as they say.🤔

[@09weenic]

@@littlemissbumblebee5537 ignore him he is a regular troll on here - the authorities must have let him out on Xmas leave

[@robertnunn265]

Interesting that this included a magazine feature about crime prevention. Those types of segments were my major problem with the last few years of Crimewatch. Wasted time.

[@AliMcMahon-w1q]

I will never understand how tobin slipped through the net for so long he got ten years not long after this for abducting and assaulting two children I'm flabbergasted he was never considered a suspect for so long

[@Freshy009]

In this reconstruction it says John Green was found by a friend. In other reports the person is said to have been his 'partner'. I'm wondering if (given the argument the neighbour overheard) there was another woman? Was he killed in a jealous rage? Seems like in many of these cases the victim has an unknown secret life, that would be seen as completely out of character for them.

[@IanP1963]

FEB 2021 WOULD HAVE BEEN 30TH YR ANNIVERSARY - VERY SAD AND MYSTERIOUS INDEED. I HAVE FOUND A FEW OLD DOCS ON HIS TRIBUTE FB SITE WHICH ARE WORTH WATCHING.

[@IanP1963]

There's an interesting 2 parter from 1997 about this case on his tribute FB page, click videos👍

[@eadweard.]

Main detail I noticed from the experiment was that the robbers used a distinctive lime-green gun.

[@SuperTed19021]

2:48 I *so* remember 7 Elevens One used to one the corner of our high street opposite the railway station.

[@rs-qt1qg]

Now they're only in the states and Canada

[@zahria]

Redcard for President !

[@meskbren]

That experiment was interesting. I did notice the driver with the moustache but for some reason it didn't register fully until pointed out. I also picked out the correct man from the line up but it did help that he was kind of cute.

[@thedinnerparty4795]

Open the door and threaten to jump. No one wants their car damaged.

[@noka1979]

How did he leave with 52 grand

[@Lushgirl81]

That’s what I thought!

[@BlytheWorld1972]

Thanks Redcard you are a star .

[@jamiemurray211]

15 minutes in Mayfair casino scammer he doesn’t half look like matey boy on Facebook old man you want some I’ll give you some that guy😂🤣

[@jamiemurray211]

!!!It sounds like him 2!!!😂🤣

[@Starlord80s]

Evening all and thanks Redcard74.

[@Hi-kq1vi]

15:04-Alain Robidoux.

[@michaelpout2208]

hello all

[@letsdiscussitoversometea8479]

I'm so conflicted...hang on - no I'm not! The "next door neighbour" at 35:58 has so many things going on... A nice pussycat, AND being a nosy neighbour! 🤣 That's too much.

[@chasey2327]

i'd laugh if wayne goddard now had a criminal record!

[@ianpilkington2037]

Cheers redcard! How are you all ?

[@robnunn6201]

Bus driver at 38:23 looked disappointed. Probably because AFC Bournemouth lost 3-0 that day up at Bradford City....

[@oliprj8676]

Eli made it to the big time then

[@LANCSKID]

That black cat knows more than it’s letting on for sure.

[@jazzyhomelife2093]

John green any updates

[@IanP1963]

There's an FB tribute page about him, check it out👍

[@NoEurosJustGuilders]

Another unsolved murder 😱😱😱

[@mohammedjhangir3453]

Thanks Redcar74 I love all your uploads please keep uploading many thanks.

[@gower23]

36:06 Goes to show how useful it can be to have a yenta with a blue rinse for a next door neighbour.

[@robertryan6782]

That first police officer interviewed was very intense indeed.

[@johnclegg4993]

I cannot believe anybody could be as stupid to just freely get in a total strangers car at 2.30am.

[@neilt4723]

And the cheeky bastard goes and knocks on the house the next day, I’d have literally gone and got a cosh and battered the bastard

[@camelia9802]

Really stupid to get into a car with a strange man at 2.30am - asking for trouble 👎

[@rage707]

I suppose if you don't have transport/cash/keys you see a lift as a life-saver (no nasty pun intended). I've offered daytime lifts to strangers

[@ladylaughter7393]

Her friends did try to stop her but she was adamant to go home alone. Had enough of the night? Well, it’s better than getting raped!

[@Alessiasbackheal]

@@camelia9802 or Anytime of the day or night

[@wc6936]

Thanks Redcard 👍

[@fintytin5771]

Nice one RC74 !!

[@robertnunn265]

Cheers Redcard!

[@HdHd-hp6qz]

Half caste 😂

[@sdeee3842]

33:09. What a condescending description of Michael Green. OMG 😳 Was all that necessary 🤦🏾‍♀️. The friend had a wonderful description of him bless her x

[@IanP1963]

John Green you mean NOT Michael Green, yes it was condescending, he was a piano tuner, a bit of an inventor and maker of things, I'd call him very ambitious and talented, that's the BBC for you Lol. The friend seemed truely heartbroken !!!!!

[@rage707]

@@IanP1963 I'd say her description describes me and I didn't take offence. We don't all work 11 hour days for Goldman Sachs with huge mortgages to maintain

[@IanP1963]

@@rage707 So what ? She was very condescending !!!!

[@rage707]

@@IanP1963 didn't sound condescending to me

[@IanP1963]

@@rage707 Have you studied the kind of man John was or looked at the FB tribute site to him or the vid on the FB tribute site from an old documentary about his case or seen the nice supportive comments about him from friends on there ? It is condescending because the BBC description of him was not correct when one sees the type of hard working skillful bloke he seemed, as well as ambitious to boot. Please stop trying to cause argument where there's none. Are you bored or something ?

[@SRlikethetoothpaste]

Anybody know if any of these crimes got solved?

[@zeddeka]

Google is your friend

[@SRlikethetoothpaste]

@@zeddekaI google thoroughly, of course, but some of these seem to have disappeared off the face of the earth. It is disconcerting to discover just how many of them appear to have gone unsolved.

[@sdeee3842]

2020. Can’t party like this anymore 🥺 35:00

[@IanP1963]

John Green murder will be 32 years old on Feb 1st/2nd 2023 - at he RIP 🙏

[@michealhand1001]

John Green the woman heard the argument and a woman saying to John something about a knife.

[@IanP1963]

​@@michealhand1001 Yes - so?

[@Mrrobackenson1]

I know a few people who wear their watch on their right wrist but are not left handed.

[@luckyboy407]

Some girls can be to self assured and too trusting.

[@zeddeka]

So can some boys

[@apuk79]

Was the case solved?

[@Itz-Cobra-Kai]

She was only 17 at the time and just a kid to be fair on the victim - it’s a shame we have never heard if this was ever solved

[@bobafettish6730]

Back when half-caste would still swing. LOL

[@ColinFlowers]

Black and white people still use that term now and its not a problem.

[@Hi-kq1vi]

@@ColinFlowers Where? It certainly is no longer acceptable in the UK.Mixed race is the term used now.

[@rutter1ify]

I use it!!👍 And I'm 28😲😀

[@ColinFlowers]

@@Hi-kq1vi No longer acceptable by you you mean. I have many friends, black and white and no one has a problem. Stop getting offended on other people's behalf.

[@Hi-kq1vi]

@@ColinFlowers I couldn't care less, I meant by society in general. Don't forget we live in a society where saying darling or love to a woman is now seen as sexist/patronising. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Half-caste#United_Kingdom