REDI WALL --- Strongest Tile Backerboard I've Used!!!

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TileCoach

TileCoach

Күн бұрын

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@remodz6385
@remodz6385 9 ай бұрын
I love the tileready products! One thing I’m not sure why, but they don’t incorporate the same lap joint/overlap on the pan to wall connection. That would be a big plus
@davidprice7006
@davidprice7006 9 ай бұрын
It looks like Tile Redi offers a flashing product that can be used at the wall to pan transition. I can't say if it would be any better than just using the glue alone as shown in the video. Has anyone tried the flashing?
@michaeldepow6663
@michaeldepow6663 9 ай бұрын
@@davidprice7006I was told about it after my install. We used hardiboard and sealed it with red guard
@chrism2042
@chrism2042 9 ай бұрын
I purchased the wall flashing when I ordered my custom Tile redi pan, I wanted to eliminate all potential problems.
@jamesgroff2512
@jamesgroff2512 3 күн бұрын
My Redi-Tile base came with a z flashing that goes between the base and the first wallboard. That would seem to make that joint a little more fullproof. Thanks for the video, I'm just installing mine and you're helping me avoid mistakes
@DJ-rq9qg
@DJ-rq9qg 9 ай бұрын
About to tear out a 60 year old ceramic sunken shower. My first time. I’m retired and slightly older than this old house. Wish me luck! Will try this product
@garrettsoto1667
@garrettsoto1667 8 ай бұрын
Well? How’d it go
@RalphTorchio
@RalphTorchio 9 ай бұрын
More than the tile it was your comments at the end of your video that impressed me. I have struggled with anxiety for many many years. I’m a contractor in the north east and have run my own business for 39 years. I appreciate your kindness and willingness to help others. God bless you keep up the great work
@zardoz2627
@zardoz2627 9 ай бұрын
This is definitely the system I will be using for my half finished master bathroom shower. I've been putting off doing it for... years
@potentetravels
@potentetravels 9 ай бұрын
Love watching and learning. The message about depression is big. Many of us, as men, think it's a weakness to admit.
@martinc6273
@martinc6273 9 ай бұрын
It takes courage to open up to viewers about your past mental health. You are doing God’s work in more than one way.
@stevemullen8457
@stevemullen8457 9 ай бұрын
Thanks so much for showing the wall installation. I just got my pan done and will be doing the walls next week. Thanks for showing this new product.
@keghamstepanian
@keghamstepanian 9 ай бұрын
Thanks for the positive words at the end of this video.
@AGueroAFuera
@AGueroAFuera 9 ай бұрын
Isaac you’re a wonderful person and builder!
@Apexjasonmorganllc
@Apexjasonmorganllc 9 ай бұрын
That looks like a really solid setup. I wouldn’t mind trying that system. Nice video Isaac.
@stevev3962
@stevev3962 5 ай бұрын
Appreciate the videos. The various material selections are quite informing. I use the tile redi pans and benches with Kerdi walls and niches. Might have to check the redi wall panels. What you call the buzz saw is more properly called the " wiggle saw" in the field east coast...
@FriedSpamAndChips
@FriedSpamAndChips 9 ай бұрын
Lovely message at the end. Big fan of your videos mate, keep up the brilliant work.
@TropicalMint808
@TropicalMint808 9 ай бұрын
coach been hitting the gym hard 💪💪💪
@bathvanityexperts
@bathvanityexperts 18 күн бұрын
Redoing my shower in historic Roseville (1910 house) and I used your coupon code to order my wall boards! Would love to have you check out the project!
@TileCoach
@TileCoach 17 күн бұрын
Awesome! Thank you!
@theheartofhouse3977
@theheartofhouse3977 9 ай бұрын
Man I appreciate this video on so many levels from the Moving out of a State of stuckness or depression by actually moving the body as well as using this tile redi system. A long time ago when I first started tiling I used tile redi and I don't recall any wallboards with it. The system is great because of the integrated curb and everything However at that time I found it a little challenging especially when everything was not quite plum square and true. there is no modifying it. This video makes me want to go back and use it because of the level of Certainty. Thanks for your inspiration!
@Theozman2
@Theozman2 6 ай бұрын
You are an excellent teacher. I met with you on-line for a consult for my project in Indiana. Thank you for your work. God bless you.
@curtisprice7133
@curtisprice7133 9 ай бұрын
I’m about to start a (new build) shower. I think I’ll try this.
@EDHBlvd
@EDHBlvd 9 ай бұрын
Man that system looks foolproof. Awesome.
@timmythecat7478
@timmythecat7478 8 ай бұрын
Really like that integrated pan !!!! They must be 'made to size". Very nice. Thx for the meaningful words at the end.......You are a good man................
@mr.p4293
@mr.p4293 7 ай бұрын
It looks great can’t wait to see it all tiled up and done. Maybe your next video
@rogerhodges7656
@rogerhodges7656 4 ай бұрын
I really like that rabbeted joint. It won't leak!
@roberthoward1155
@roberthoward1155 9 ай бұрын
As a home owner who had my installer use this system on a second floor shower, knowing that I don’t have to worry about a leak is worth every penny. We even used the metal flashing where the pan meets the wall.
@herrrnn
@herrrnn 9 ай бұрын
Your the man tilecoach always great content
@nailbndr9869
@nailbndr9869 Ай бұрын
I've used a redi tile base once... it was new construction. most of my jobs are remodels and fit the standard sizes.. custom bases just take to long to get
@maryv5558
@maryv5558 6 ай бұрын
Training course! Yes, please. Has this happened? Will there be another?
@scottschreiber6008
@scottschreiber6008 9 ай бұрын
I do handyman work and I just bought the skil 12 volt brushless drill, my “trim” drill. You have so much trigger control instead of having to keep hitting the trigger of the impact. Just a suggestion. Great video.
@lindamoser2532
@lindamoser2532 9 ай бұрын
I would recommend ear protection with that buzz buzz. I've had some issues with that tool
@ediaz8786
@ediaz8786 9 ай бұрын
Hi Isaac, I love your work and the way you explain everything.I have question how did you waterproof the transition from the tile redi board to drywall?
@Jamax99Jetfan
@Jamax99Jetfan 9 ай бұрын
I think that pan is the future.
@philwell76
@philwell76 9 ай бұрын
Man! I like that lap joint! I’m gonna try that next time…
@StarrTile
@StarrTile 9 ай бұрын
I like this system, however I anticipate it will be quite pricey. For this small shower what was the cost for the three walls and the pan ? Proprietary drain ?
@buzzkill8214
@buzzkill8214 9 ай бұрын
Pricey should be the least of your worries. Labor is usually more expensive than a product. In this case, someone with a few brain cells can put this together in a couple hours so labor should be minimal.
@jeffsingleton88
@jeffsingleton88 9 ай бұрын
You suck doyle
@willinthearea6318
@willinthearea6318 9 ай бұрын
@@buzzkill8214 2 hours? 😂😂 That’s a whole day of work. Fixing framing imperfections, leveling subfloor, installing the pan, cutting a hole for the niche, installing a niche, hanging the wallboard and applying sealant…. Nobody is going to do all that work in 2 hours. You won’t really save that much time using this system, maybe half a day at most. The labor cost will be the same…Tile contractors aren’t going to lower their prices to accommodate expensive materials. That’s like giving money away.
@RawTakes
@RawTakes 9 ай бұрын
Every contractor in the country is buying material that is way too expensive, buy large containers in bulk. Put up $30k in all your mainstream units, stock them, become competitive, work with people that can invest with you, stop doing stuff solo lol. I have 300, 100% waterpoof shower kits in my storage that I spent $80 per kit for roughly. Think big, quit using local distribution and make your own distribution company so you keep the money in your circle, buy from your own distribution company through a separate LLC you own, tell your tile buddies to buy through your distribution LLC. Quit over paying! Lol😂
@j.johnson8360
@j.johnson8360 9 ай бұрын
I know what you mean, I’m sure you’ll continue to hack it in like you always do regardless of the price of the product.
@JongeGeeven
@JongeGeeven 2 ай бұрын
You are a blessed man ❤🔥🔥🫶🏻👌🏻
@grahamburrows7570
@grahamburrows7570 Ай бұрын
I have to get this for my next shower
@carym9434
@carym9434 3 ай бұрын
Hey, first of all, watched many of your videos. Just wanted to say your content is awesome. The RSS board looks like a great option. I was at Lowe’s the other day looking at options and saw a product called go. Have you ever use that and would you recommend?
@oldguy1960
@oldguy1960 9 ай бұрын
Awesome, I got a job I'll try that board on.
@tonycopelyn8730
@tonycopelyn8730 6 ай бұрын
2-things…well 3…first appreciate and enjoy your videos….2…I have not seen this or maybe I missed it, but if you planning to add glass shower doors should there be some planning or effort to install vertical 2x4’s at each end of the curb,and if planning to add shower glass what should the width of the curb be.. and are you able to drill/place screws in the tile redi curb? 3….how do you hide the screw heads that anchor shower pan to the wall…do you bring wall board down to the lip and then bring tile down to 1/8 inch to cover screw heads???? TY
@jmassaro87
@jmassaro87 5 ай бұрын
@tilecoach we are looking to do this Tile Redi pan in our shower. How well do they hold up to mounting frameless glass doors?
@TileRedi_US
@TileRedi_US 4 ай бұрын
Many of our customers use our pans with the frameless glass doors, we recommend that the panels be adhered to the wall - follow the manufacturers instructions.
@randyirby7968
@randyirby7968 4 ай бұрын
When and where do you do your in house classes? Also, I am getting ready to put in a shower and floor tile and will be doing a 1 on 1 with you soon.
@billsnyder6945
@billsnyder6945 9 ай бұрын
You the man Issac, love you too, but your screws on that first lap joint should not have been inside it. It didn’t look right to me and this was confirmed in their video. It seems like the flashing at the pan is an extra measure worth doing, but time will tell on all these systems. Looks like the overall cost is comparable to a Wedi kit, but the pan is bulletproof and wins over other systems hands down. I like the lap idea, but showers have little water issues that high, and Go Board is probably an easier and available wall solution, and again it is the bottom pan that is most important. We had considered using a Kohler Salient cast iron enameled shower pan to get this same bulletproof bottom, but after seeing some photos with the non slip strips looking as bad as the tub we want to get rid of, it will be the redi pan system. We hope the grout on the bottom does not look as bad as some we have seen.
@TileCoach
@TileCoach 9 ай бұрын
You are correct, I shouldn't have put the screws there. But the screws in the panel right above it, along with the sealant that is joining the two boards together will keep it solid. Thanks for noticing the small things!
@holyspork
@holyspork 9 ай бұрын
Wish they had a lap connection between the pan and the walls also. Looks pretty bulletproof otherwise.
@TileRedi_US
@TileRedi_US 9 ай бұрын
We offer an optional Redi Flash (metal flashing) that provides that extra peace of mind when sitting the wallboard on the pan splash wall.
@holyspork
@holyspork 9 ай бұрын
awesome, Thanks! @@TileRedi_US
@riccochet704
@riccochet704 9 ай бұрын
You been gettin those gains at the gym!
@palmerstile9379
@palmerstile9379 Ай бұрын
Damn, that strong & cuts with a knife? That's some great board. Never liked how flimsy and cardboard feeling kerdi is... Is this board itchy or anything? Or is it more cement based like durock
@JosephTingle
@JosephTingle 2 ай бұрын
This is fabulous
@rixrig6193
@rixrig6193 9 ай бұрын
HELP! I’m a DIYer. We’re am in a mobile home in NC. I tore out our master bath shower system. The DRAIN pipe currently is 1½ in ABS and intend to use a reducer bushing to enlarge to a 2 inch ABS for the FlowFX drain I ordered through your channel. I intend to do a Dry Pack bed. I’ve learned through your videos about using plastic and metal lathe on the plywood floor and your method of screeding the dry pack. I purchased a PVC liner PRIOR to seeing you videos. I have NOT seen one (or missed it) on HOW HIGH the FLOWFX drain should be OFF THE FLOOR. My question is as follows. What is SEQUENCE or ORDER I need to do. Here’s my thoughts… 1. Plastic on the floor 2. Metal Lathe next 3. Determine FlowFX Drain height from floor (1 to 1 ½ inch) 4. Dry Pack put in place 5. DO I NEED this PVC LINER and IF YES, where do I put it? On TOP of the Dry Pack or must I use a liquid waterproofing or some other effective yet less costly waterproofing method. I am AFRAID to NOT get the waterproofing RIGHT. Retired with limited funds BUT, I must get this RIGHT! PLEASE CORRECT ANY OF MY MISUNDERSTANDING! Thanks in Advance if you have the time to answer me.
@chriscolvin1602
@chriscolvin1602 9 ай бұрын
Last time i used their pan, they suggested epoxy mortar to set. Surprised no mention Isaac. Has that changed?
@michaelmoreau1329
@michaelmoreau1329 9 ай бұрын
Awesome. I have a 54x40 on order along with the Redi Wall board and a niche. Can’t wait to try it out. Question: any reason you chose not to use their flashing? Also, how many tubes of the Redi Caulk did you use for installing what appears to be about six boards? I’ve ordered extra because it seems like you’d use more than the three tubes that are included - especially since I’ll be doing a niche as well. Thanks Coach. Love the videos.
@rogerclaiborne6815
@rogerclaiborne6815 9 ай бұрын
I like the changes. Might have to switch to this over Durock if it becomes available in my area. Pre sized drain pan might be a problem though because framers in my area are horrible these days. Seems like they don't know what square is or how to use a measuring tape for exact measurements. Their close enough is pretty bad and many showers are non-standardized in dimensions.
@johnwhite2576
@johnwhite2576 9 ай бұрын
word
@tonycopelyn8730
@tonycopelyn8730 5 ай бұрын
Wondering how many tubes of time deck sealant was used and did I miss how you sealed the corners?
@eekedout
@eekedout 9 ай бұрын
I would like to know how the wall board would integrate to a tub flange for a surround.
@toddmccormick8363
@toddmccormick8363 9 ай бұрын
Just one question Isaac, do you miss floating mortar walls?! Love ya brother, keep up the great videos.
@mikebonom
@mikebonom 7 ай бұрын
Wondering if it'd hurt to go over everything with Redgard?....Just as a secondary precaution
@daveferguson2473
@daveferguson2473 9 ай бұрын
Any concern about the corners? Seems like potential leak area if house were to move during earthquake.
@kimstrong4482
@kimstrong4482 9 ай бұрын
Thank you. My tile guy wants to use schluter which he has used on his home. Do you think if he uses ardex 8+9 with it, that would get rid of any possible problems?
@impalaon22inchrome
@impalaon22inchrome 8 ай бұрын
Make sure they use all the schluter banding where required and 3 good coats for hydroban (by laticrete) on all joints and generations and u will be golden. Don't let them use regard. Hope this helps
@DogHairDontCare
@DogHairDontCare 2 ай бұрын
Which is easier to work with -- redi sealant, or hydro ban's sealant? Do you have a preference?
@tonycopelyn8730
@tonycopelyn8730 6 ай бұрын
If you are converting tub/shower on a concrete slab into walk-in shower high far up do you need to go with water proofing/cement boarding ect???
@TR4Ajim
@TR4Ajim 5 ай бұрын
Watch his videos on Schluter shower failures and then decide if Tile Redi is worth the extra cost.
@tonycopelyn8730
@tonycopelyn8730 5 ай бұрын
In terms of water proofing and longevity; no concerns about installation times…does tile ready have a clear advantage over cement backer board products like USG or Perma and roll on water proofing?
@TileRedi_US
@TileRedi_US 4 ай бұрын
Many customers have shown the problem areas that come up when waterproofing - like the roll-on material or fabric membrane peeling off. This is not a concern with Tile Redi since the material the products are made of are 100% waterproof.
@David_King27
@David_King27 5 ай бұрын
Since most showers aren’t the same size, are the pans custom made for your job? Or are they pre made, and you just find one that fits the best?
@TileRedi_US
@TileRedi_US 4 ай бұрын
Most of the pans are pre-made, we have hundreds of sizes, drain options, curb configurations available. But, if there is a custom need (either size, shape or drain location) then we can make it as a Redi Your Way pan.
@JohnComeOnMan
@JohnComeOnMan 9 ай бұрын
Maybe version 2.0 will have a lap joint where the wall board meets the pan.
@damienwg8829
@damienwg8829 4 ай бұрын
For a custom niche using the tile redi stuff will mesh tape and mortar work? Thx
@nickf223
@nickf223 9 ай бұрын
Just installed a 48x48 inch tile ready pan. I've never done any of this but my wife is away and wanted to surprise her when she comes home with a new bathroom. Any advice on installing durock with the tile redi base?
@hanko5750
@hanko5750 9 ай бұрын
That is very cool stuff!! Do appreciate!
@tryan7
@tryan7 9 ай бұрын
Tile coach. It seems much easier to work with. Cost about the same as other products?
@johnwhite2576
@johnwhite2576 9 ай бұрын
no its $$$
@troyherndon
@troyherndon 9 ай бұрын
Fyi, you can also cut un a table saw
@patrickflanagan8008
@patrickflanagan8008 9 ай бұрын
Bravo Sir...nice one
@entasis.fifty-four
@entasis.fifty-four 9 ай бұрын
May I ask why you didn’t use their Redi Flash® Waterproofing System flashing between the shower pan and the wall panels? Thanks
@steveorosz3997
@steveorosz3997 8 ай бұрын
Yes I would also like to know this!
@stevenall7317
@stevenall7317 8 ай бұрын
How do you do a wall for a 72-inch pan when the boards are only 60in? Do you just butt them together or do you cut a lap joint?
@kramersiemens8712
@kramersiemens8712 9 ай бұрын
Looks easy enough. Do you have a discount code?
@TileCoach
@TileCoach 9 ай бұрын
yes, tilecoach
@mechengineer-sv2ei
@mechengineer-sv2ei 3 ай бұрын
What about installing some kind of z-flashing at the bottom? I was thinking apply sealant, then z flashing, then sealant only on the vertical part of the z-flashing, then install the wall panel. What do you think of that?
@mikespencer237
@mikespencer237 9 ай бұрын
The fork lift needs a new battery, just saying. Always a nice job!
@TileCoach
@TileCoach 9 ай бұрын
Yes it does. Thank you for noticing. It’s a 2015 battery barely hanging on 😆.
@Gymjb5
@Gymjb5 7 ай бұрын
Can you use cement board instead of that ?
@independentinstallations8419
@independentinstallations8419 9 ай бұрын
Do they only come with linear drains or do they offer a variety? Also how's cost compare to a Schluter or Wedi?
@marennyalarcon9751
@marennyalarcon9751 3 ай бұрын
I'm wondering how he fastened the top of the walls without a ladder? The warranty says no ladder on the pan!
@karenmitchell6814
@karenmitchell6814 5 ай бұрын
Is there a back and front to the tile redi wall boards or are they reversible? I’m wanting to know if I cut a board in half for the row close to the ceiling, can I flip the scrap piece over and used the flanged edge on another wall?
@TileRedi_US
@TileRedi_US 4 ай бұрын
There is no issue with using the front or back of our wall boards.
@tonycopelyn8730
@tonycopelyn8730 5 ай бұрын
File Redi walls seem to eliminate the need for roll on water provoking at a premium price is there any clear advantage to justify 3xs expense of cement board?
@tonycopelyn8730
@tonycopelyn8730 5 ай бұрын
How does this compare with densshield
@stevemcginley77
@stevemcginley77 9 ай бұрын
Issac, I just bought the pan and I am going to buy the wallboard but doesn't Redi Tile make a metal flashing that goes between the pan and the wallboard?
@TileCoach
@TileCoach 9 ай бұрын
Yes they do, it is optional.
@johnpadilla109
@johnpadilla109 9 ай бұрын
Hey quick question what shower system you recommend I was going to go with schulter but I keep hearing mixed reviews
@florenciomorenojr2616
@florenciomorenojr2616 6 ай бұрын
Hi isaac, can I used the hardibacker over the tileredi pan?
@TileRedi_US
@TileRedi_US 4 ай бұрын
Yes, you can use any wallboard over our shower pans. We just recommend you waterproof them based on the manufacturers instructions.
@Jerrywekar7621
@Jerrywekar7621 9 ай бұрын
How did you do the window
@tonycopelyn8730
@tonycopelyn8730 5 ай бұрын
Looks like Tile Redi eliminates need for roll on water proofing . Set of 8 walls is like $560 and cement boards at home depo like $12/each,,,Redguard $150 for 5-gals (Hydroban $35)/5gals...Are Ti!e Redi worth their price and/or the water proofing protection worthy of expense or just paying for less work and no gain?
@stevenaylor5163
@stevenaylor5163 9 ай бұрын
Can use use Redi walls with a Kohler shower base or do you have to use the Redi base?
@TileRedi_US
@TileRedi_US 4 ай бұрын
You can use the Redi Wall boards on any shower pan.
@grassrunner7983
@grassrunner7983 9 ай бұрын
good work!!!
@kimstrong4482
@kimstrong4482 9 ай бұрын
I am not a contractor, but this is still counting on caulk to waterproof at the base. How does that make it superior to others such as wedi that have failure at the caulk?
@TileCoach
@TileCoach 9 ай бұрын
Because the potential leak point is 6” up off of the shower floor. It makes a big difference. Good question though!
@ohmsweethohm7259
@ohmsweethohm7259 9 ай бұрын
That price tag though!
@travlangley1
@travlangley1 9 ай бұрын
So minor tho, when you consider what a quality custom tile shower cost tho….also there is an offset to labor cost without having to kerdi band every seam/hole…plus you’re not dealing with the build up of corner pieces and what not. Im definitely a big fan of this board system, think it’s well worth the cost increase for what you get
@TileRedi_US
@TileRedi_US 9 ай бұрын
We do offer additional discounts when purchased by the pallet.
@ohmsweethohm7259
@ohmsweethohm7259 9 ай бұрын
I don’t use Kerdi board or band it’s trash IMO I use goboard it’s installed exactly the same as this board for 1/3 the cost. I always here guys saying the cost doesn’t matter but it does that cost either comes out of your pocket or you risk loosing jobs because the cost given to customer is to high. I will look into a pallet of REDIBOARD when I finish the pallet of go board I’m currently working on though. Maybe it’s more reasonable by the pallet.
@tomdayton3399
@tomdayton3399 8 ай бұрын
How can I integrate a shower ledge into this wall system? Can it be cut and customized while maintaining the waterproofing integrity? I also will have a window to work around, and want to do a 2’x2’ niche. Can this all be done with Tile Redi?
@TileRedi_US
@TileRedi_US 4 ай бұрын
Yes, it can. Just be sure to seal any seams in the walls with the Redi Sealant or similar MS Polymer.
@ArthurDentZaphodBeeb
@ArthurDentZaphodBeeb 2 ай бұрын
Ridiculously priced. Redi Tile has gotta get real.
@kenlovesMurica
@kenlovesMurica 8 ай бұрын
Theres companies with foam car ramps and lift blocks so its no surprise the foam boards dont compress
@maxadrian
@maxadrian 9 ай бұрын
Well, the washers create an indentation for sealant to completely seal the fastener. But, that said I'd happily give up the washers cause they are not required with the product you are demo-ing. Save time good!
@davidthorne4491
@davidthorne4491 9 ай бұрын
What do you do for custom shower floor sizes ?
@billsnyder6945
@billsnyder6945 9 ай бұрын
They make custom sizes.
@travisk5589
@travisk5589 9 ай бұрын
It looks like I need to drop a decent caulking gun off at o tile ;)
@lorainejenson1724
@lorainejenson1724 9 ай бұрын
is there a tile redi pan with a center drain ?
@LS-bb9qh
@LS-bb9qh 6 ай бұрын
Yes I got one
@troyherndon
@troyherndon 9 ай бұрын
Just finished a redi shower, walls are very expensive!! I don😢think time saved is worth the cost.
@johnwhite2576
@johnwhite2576 9 ай бұрын
thank you for offering necessary balance cost benefgit-NB and labor savings are rarely passed along to the client.
@patrickkennedy2533
@patrickkennedy2533 21 күн бұрын
The Rediboard looks like sign foam
@shoegum7362
@shoegum7362 7 ай бұрын
Interesting you didn't see a need to use their "redi flash" and just used their "redi seal" to put up "redi wall" . Do you think its just overkill then?
@Cam-wi3tp
@Cam-wi3tp 9 ай бұрын
looked great til i checked price,$900 for a 32''x42'' pan? Uh no but still love your videos!
@troyherndon
@troyherndon 9 ай бұрын
And the lap is the only one one side still at six feet you will have a but joint
@ItsSurge
@ItsSurge 9 ай бұрын
Nice
@fatcat-hc4pj
@fatcat-hc4pj 9 ай бұрын
I just demoed a shower last week it was the biggest hacked together p.o.s. I've ever seen how can i send you some pictures so you can see the incompetence and stupidity of the original contractor
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