Andor - re:View

Does it happen? Why yes it done! Hello, and welcome to yet another internet™ KZbin™ video about Star War™. My name is Krebs Gorlon official spokesperson for Red Letter Media™. The clowns known as Rich Evans and Mike Stoklasan famously known for having zero association with P. Diddy (formerly Puff Man). Today Mike and Rich decide to finally make a minimal effort to catch up on the world of a Star War. A world they has decided to shrug off years ago after a clone of Emperor Palpatine was used as a desperate attempt to make cheap cash from a brain-dead audience of clowns and sh*theads. Mike and Rich both loathed Rogue One: A Star War Story. Ever more they loathed the love for its' bland characters like Gem Klebstone, Korla Blargbon, Phib McP-Diddy, and especially Cassian And/or. They saw Rogue One as a bad sign. A “remember this” orgy of pointless action scenes and a film awash in Star War c*m. Star Wars porn essentially. Not much to admire about the writing. A dumb man’s science fiction film. So when a series about Cassian Andor, a character destined to die after a Grand Moff Tarkin with a cartoon face laser blasts a planet, they had no interest. Thankfully, whoever is writing/producing/green-lighting the Star War have made a bold and smart course correction to appeal to people who have IQ’s above 8 (at least on this series). Mike and Rich both very much enjoyed Andor. They discuss the show and the inner workings of what makes a Star War work and what doesn’t. What should be done and what shouldn’t. Now, keep in mind Mike and Rich aren’t super up to date on a Star War. They’ll most certainly get some names wrong. Some places wrong. Shows, characters, settings, events, canon, history, places, people, names, dates, races, planets, movies, books, shows, actors, times, technology, witers, death stars, darth vaders, and star war, but begast you must know how they doesn’t do then on purpose. The house is on a hill, but alas it's not haunted. They try their best despite not caring one bit or nothing like that. They watch shows meant for others not wanting to know more about the Star War. These kind of material can be overwhelming for them as their brains and body are constantly fighting off deadly infection. It can also be incredibly dumb and debilitating. These characters with laser swords always fighting others. Always sad people selling junk or cutting up fish meat. Always a bad ship in space. Always a fighting. Why? But people love this crap. They dress up in the costumes like zombie. Say the names and remember things they know. Cry at the trailers. Cry at seeing a thing they remember on a screen. Fill up their drawers with junk when they see a Jedi or a Darth Something. They see a de-aged Anakin Skywanker and ask about why he ate a Jar Jar Binks for dinner when he became a Darth Vader? They LOVE it without question and Kennedy and Dave F. drool at their masses. The actors and creators go on stage and smile and drool for that sweet sweet cash. They want to say how much they love being a Jedi or a whatnot. They say they love the fans and that the Star War is a family or a community or whatever, but all these ghouls really love is the checks.

[@johnsensebe3153]

It's called _Andor_ because it's about the Empire and/or the Rebellion.

[@xslonk]

Could have just been named "/"

[@ArchibaldClumpy]

Coming soon: The adventures of Jedi Neithernor!

[@artofsam]

Can’t wait to watch Star War Whenwhy.

[@SgtKaneGunlock]

this is the dadist joke in the world

[@johnsensebe3153]

@@ArchibaldClumpy Actually, _Yeahbut_ is coming to Disney+ next year.

[@CwapPlatinum]

Somehow, Re:View returned

[@ohboy9077]

RE:FRIGERATOR

[@Deagnetic]

@@ohboy9077 The Matrix: Re:Loaded

[@noaei]

They fly now?

[@forsaken841]

@@noaeithey fly now

[@ohboy9077]

@@Deagnetic Brandon carpenter!

[@BaggyTheBloke]

Mike in 2019: "What if she was that lady in Phantom Menace that says 'My bones are aching, Ani, there's a storm coming'? You remember her?" Mike in 2024: "Were there jedis in Phantom Menace?"

[@immjoe5979]

He would never forget and elderly person whom he could mock

[@radim279]

@@immjoe5979 And in doing so, he became one What a character arc!

[@tylerspaghetti3646]

I remember that!

[@immjoe5979]

@@radim279 I agree the way RLM consistently writes Mike Stoklasa as a character should be taught in Universities. Especially with how they brilliantly foreshadowed his shift from solely being the perpetrator of hatred towards the elderly, to the target of his own twisted malice.

[@PolarExpress-ql3nk]

The sad part of the prequels was that the old woman was noticeably missing from the other movies.

[@rakino4418]

"Every frame of star wars is in my memory banks" Earlier: "Were there Jedi in the Phantom menace? Was Palpatine in Rise of Skywalker?"

[@zachcreaghcoen2389]

Im guessing he means the original

[@Opno]

When my very good friend, Mike Stoklasa, said "I liked Andor a lot", the dopamine hit from my opinion being correct was absolutely euphoric

[@SlyElliot]

LMFAO

[@buzzooie17]

The delayed gratification of watching it 2 years ago or whatever made it hit way harder.

[@Opno]

​@@buzzooie17I've been edging for so fucking long and now it's time for the goon sesh

[@maidros85]

Well, it's a good show :)

[@Opno]

@@buzzooie17 I've been edging all this time man

[@TortugaMaritima]

"Were there Jedis in The Phantom Menace?" You know dementia is really kicking in when Mike doesn't remember a movie he has been constantly bashing for the last twelve years.

[@losernerd9291]

15 years.

[@aerthreepwood8021]

Realistically, he's probably been bashing it for 25 years.

[@necrosadotor]

even i remember that there was jedi, sith, queen amidala, gungans (?) and i watched it like 20 years ago

[@lorenzomizushal3980]

​@@necrosadotor you just googled that man

[@necrosadotor]

@@lorenzomizushal3980 nope

[@doolicious]

Mike seemed to forget the smile and laugh of Luthen after finding out that the heist was successful. It was acted brilliantly by Skarsgard after the pressure and anxiety in prior scenes

[@alanpennie8013]

It was very touching. Luthen's life is really hard, and I was happy to see him relish a victory.

[@tuppot]

I'm ok with the show, but he made me think that maybe a small glimpse of what the empire took away from them could've been effective. We're always told about "what they took from us" but are only shown the aftermath. Still yeah, he's forgetting about all those moments. Maarva has a lot of them :')

[@WreckageBrother-rd5zf]

@@tuppot He's always had forgetful inconsistencies like this. The following 3 quotes are from the ep2 review for instance: "And I'm still not sure which one we're supposed to relate to. I would think people could relate more to Obi-Wan, cause he's basically a good guy who doesn't murder people? But at the same time he's also very distant, cause he's like a weird monk without any personality. **"What?!"** So take your pick, idiots..." & "Now technically they *are* weird space aliens - but we can't relate to their fucking weird, sterile, sexless universe. [Obi-Wan and Mace in the spacious Temple hallway] They seem as cold, and lifeless, and boring, as the computer generated world they're projected against. Simple, real, genuine moments like this: [Han, Luke and Leia hug and celebrate], have been replaced by this: [Neimoidians getting shot at] "Aaaaa-" or rather because of this:" "I guess it's got something to do with, like.. purging emotions, to avoid being tempted by the Dark Side, right? But Obi-Wan, you know, he smiles, he laughs... he gets annoyed; **"What?!"** "Well, you've lost him." he enjoys a good sarcastic quip: "Oh, this is going to be easy." Sometimes, he gets really, really pissed off: "You will be expelled from the Jedi Order!!" So.. so love leads to the Dark Side - but getting fucking pissed doesn't? "Come to your senses!" I mean the Jedis aren't supposed to be Vulcans, right? Even Vulcans took wives and had sex... So really, the only thing that made Obi-Wan different from like a normal person, was that he didn't express any interest in chicks. "I was beginning to wonder if you'd GOT my message." Lack of sex can drive men crazy you know..." Not the contradictory use of the same **"What?!"** clip in the 1st quote there. And here this is from the ep1 of course: "Rich: "He is... ... ..sssssstoic?" Gillian: "I don't remember that character." Mike, off-screen: "Ok he's Liam Neeson - with the beard." Gillian: "Ohhhhh… .. yes...." Jay: "Well he has a beard. [laughs]" Jack: "Qui-Gon Jinn, and, uh he-.. uh, he was…" Jesse: "Uhhhmmm.... let's see here, ummm… ..... ...stern?"" The very thumbnail of that video contradicts these statements, cause Quigon is shown in the splitscreen kinda smiling or something? In the woods? And the other clips from that compilation are equally contradictory - one wonders how lucid or aware Mike was while editing that? And here of course, ironically, that Padme-Anakin shot from TPM is played as a counter-example to Andor's supposed 100% gloominess, along with the "post-DS hugging laughing" which gets played in that AotC review excerpt. Situations are a bit different of course - here they're making a point about the "depressed grim tone" and kind of cite it as a positive, certainly Rich does and Mike almost and then comes around; and here it's a casual review after 1 viewing, so lapses in recollection and/or less literally absolute phrasings and statement are quite acceptable. Maybe you know they didn't **literally** mean not a single smile or moment or good mood, just relatively little of it, compared to what Mike's warm carebear heart would've preferred? While over there, it's all preachy declarative filmmaking-lectury etc. so lapses like that are much less acceptable and really just undermine their whole credibility over there - however of course IF they already allow themselves that kind of sloppiness and amnesia in their "for real analytic video essays", how much can this re:view really be excused for doing essentially the same thing, just in a more casual context? What if it's really just a common bad habit that undermines the accuracy of their reviews and film commentary? However that aside, this re:view in particular is generally pretty good and sound, not much to really complain about all in all lol

[@Roro_2338]

for me, it's Andor's mom smiling as she talks to Cassian about how she's been inspired to fight after hearing about the payroll heist the insane thing to me is that he can't understand why she's been inspired to action when he's the reason she wants to take action, and he can't even tell her he was involved. it's a beautiful scene

[@TheClevelandSteamer]

@@WreckageBrother-rd5zfI’m nowhere near qualified, but I’m diagnosing you with Autism Spectrum Disorder. Sorry you had to find out this way.

[@samwallaceart288]

Syril getting berated by his goblin-mom while he's trying to finish his Kapn Krunch is the best part of the show and I will fight you on that

[@HULLBOX-yz9im]

correlating to guardians of the galaxy vol 3 end scene with his grandfather talking about the lazy kid next door not mowing the lawn for his mother , knowing one of the greatest heroes in the galaxy was humble enough to do it for her yet he felt awkward that the kid just watched him do it . while eating his cereal gave such a down to earth element to the scene. And him wanting his grandfather to bitch about it .

[@Horrormaster13]

It turns out that when you hire a competent, experienced and talented screenwriter, you can get a good Star Wars show out seemingly nothing.

[@tedarcher9120]

Also directors and production. Set design was amazing

[@BlueMarsalis]

Now someone just needs to adapt KOTOR II in a similar style.

[@MildChunkySalsa]

This was my takeaway, Tony Gilroy and his brother Dan Gilroy wrote for Andor and they worked on stuff like the Bourne films. Whereas for a while Disney and LucasFilms went for experimental and it did not work out.

[@user-tx3xy7lw6w]

​@@MildChunkySalsa dude nothing about Disney is experimental.

[@vampsith]

@@BlueMarsalismaaaan if only!!

[@Able406]

Rich’s turn to “I now hate this show” in the last 5 seconds is the most tragic arc in the history of Star Wars

[@TheBenjaman]

Didnt they do the exact same with thier mando s1 re:view?

[@halowaffle25]

​@@TheBenjamanWell the scary part is that, in hindsight, they were right to do so. It could happen again.

[@screechweiner2921]

it's like poetry.

[@RJBond121]

It won't this time. The reason, I feel, is the writer and show runner have much more control over it. It only worked before because he just guessed the absolute stupidest thing they could do and they did it. Not this time....I hope ​@@halowaffle25

[@SsnakeBite]

Somehow, hating Star Wars returned.

[@Bannjer]

In an interview Tony Gilroy stated that the second season of Andor would be its last for the simple reason that he can’t keep up the intensity of making this sort of show without sacrificing quality. Talk about restraint!

[@RTukka]

One thing that you guys missed is that Kenari (Andor's homeworld) wasn't a pre-industrial planet, it was a planet that was ruined by some kind of industrial accident that only left children alive.

[@dannolives]

it also was not harmed by the empire. when we see young andor? the ship that crashes is a republic ship, not imperial

[@Ian-ot7up]

That was actually kind of a confusing scene, because it's *said* that's it's a Republic officer that's killed by the kids, but their shoulder patches are clearly CIS.

[@scaryghost5721]

​@@Ian-ot7upits a false flag operation by the Republic, they're going to drop some poisonous gas on civilians somewhere and blaming Separatists for it thats why they were wearing Separatists uniform but Maarva and Clem knew the truth about it, thats they're actually a Republic officer. Thats why the Republic cruiser come to the planet immediately to investigate or retrieve their failed false flag operation. Because someone shoot down that ship or the ship just having malfunctioned or something else happened because we first see them burning in the sky and crash landing, we don't know what happens before that. Republic is the bad guys of the Clone Wars and the Separatists is the real good guys. And i mean the real Separatists not Count Dooku, Trade Federation, Techno Union, Banking Clan and their droids army, they're just hijacking the Separatists cause for their own agenda. The real Separatists only want to seperate from the corrupt Republic.

[@WetWiIIy]

@@Ian-ot7upYeah that part really was confusing, as the control panels and terminals inside the starship looked distinctly Republic as well.

[@d.r.643]

@@Ian-ot7up It may have been in that transition period where the republic was turning into being the empire, people would have likely still referred to it as such, especially on outer worlds. It roughly adds up with the character's age, i think.

[@cbaum64]

Mike remembering the beat-for-beat editing composition of A New Hope on a cellular level at 40:50, but also having to ask Rich if there were Jedi in The Phantom Menace

[@erichorvath3590]

I think he can remember movies he really likes, and can't remember a single thing about any movie that he's slightly lukewarm on, dislikes, or absolutely hates.

[@JuliusBriggs]

@@erichorvath3590 what about movies he's slightly reywarm on?

[@etherealmistlc]

I think they play it up that they don't remember to highlight how much they don't think something is great. "Not worth remembering"

[@maximvsdread1610]

You wanna pizza roll?

[@spethmanjones2997]

⁠@@JuliusBriggs oh I get it, like Rey Skywalker!

[@mattb2842]

I appreciate that Andor managed to make a singular TIE fighter terrifying.

[@lanceturley7745]

That's one of the greatest things about *Andor,* is that they managed to make the Empire feel like an actual threat, the way an oppressive fascist army should be. We're so used to seeing plot armored main characters and cute teddy bears slaughter stormtroopers by the dozen, that it's easy to forget how terrifying these guys must be to the average civilians.

[@theocan]

Yeah, two moments really stuck out to me; the torture, which is actually similar to an old torture method in real life, which is just horrifying. And their assault on the riot, in which they are just picking off innocent men, women and children with an accuracy that actually makes them terrifying for once.

[@WreckageBrother-rd5zf]

@@lanceturley7745 "pressive fascist army should be. We're so used to seeing plot armored main characters and cute teddy bears slaughter stormtroopers by the dozen, that it's easy to forget how terrifying these guys must be to the average civilians." Can you all try to think for a few seconds before posting please? It's true the "average civilians" side was quite neglected in OT and ST (Owen&Beru aside), with some bits here and there, however they've been "scary and threatening" on plenty of occasions incl. in Rotj and Anh, alternated with sillier moments elsewhere. Here the "silly moments" are kind of embodied by employees/soldiers who're less competent or are phoning in their jobs etc., in the movies it was more of a scene/tone dependent issue. (Oh and I didn't mention the Vader/inqui scenes from Ob1 of course)

[@sharkedforlife4075]

@@lanceturley7745 totally agree, the world feels bigger and more grounded, and you can feel the desperation of powerless civilians in the face of an uncaring imperial machine. Only live action star wars i've enjoyed since the trilogy

[@HellecticMojo]

​@@WreckageBrother-rd5zfit's called diffused tension you git. None of the imperial power display in those media stick because they die in droves in open battle. Why don't YOU think before posting?

[@joshuatxuk]

As a dork about more niche and arbitrary aspects of Star Wars, this hit it out of the park with the OT's "cassette futurism" and high tech/ low-life aesthetic and look. I also really liked how we saw more boring housing and public area pockets of Coruscant along with the luxurious areas and gritty back alleys.

[@WreckageBrother-rd5zf]

Btw didn't find Syril's low-sun housing environment boring I found it *reeeeeeaaaaally cooooool*

[@astrospect]

But, but, there wasn't any lightsabers and the Empire was actually a threat! Andor is barely even Star Wars!

[@WreckageBrother-rd5zf]

@@astrospect "But, but, there wasn't any lightsabers and the Empire was actually a threat! Andor is barely even Star Wars!" Where wasn't it a threat?

[@astrospect]

@@WreckageBrother-rd5zf *insert montage of Storm Troopers consistently missing shots against people in a small hallway and behaving like they've never been trained in combat tactics before*

[@WreckageBrother-rd5zf]

@@astrospect Where do you mean

[@RedHeadKevin]

The spherical torture droid is Dr. Ball, MD, and his original training before he worked for the Empire was as an OB-GYN. That's when he's covered with gynecologist's tools.

[@CornyBum]

loved that sketch

[@KyleTye13]

"SHE'S LOST THE WILL TO LIVE???"

[@piplup2009]

"what are your degrees in poetry? You sorry bunch of hippies for god sake don't use the billions of dollars worth of medical equipment let's just all get on our knees and pray"

[@RedLetterMedia]

Friends. I do see Syril Karn having two paths as a character... 1. Being surrounded by lazy Morlana security folks and/or Imperial ladder-climbers makes him more determined to be the most powerful fascist in the universe. OR that after really trying hard to be a bootlicker, to no avail, he goes full insane rebellion guy. A sort of "I'm gonna start my own business cause this is getting me nowhere" kind of guy. Perhaps he just follows that through line to exacting personal revenge on Andor (lame). I guess I just like that actor his incompetence and unsure-of-himself nature made him charming. I was rooting for him to catch Andor. The fact that his only support system was his elderly mother, made him even more pathetic and likable. Apparently no friends, no partner, etc... just work. The most important moment was when he's in his room and he gets about 30 seconds of sunlight due to the massive volume of buildings on Coruscant. We get a shot of him crying as the sun passes over. Adding a subtle touch of sympathy like that to a villain is shocking in a Star War. Is he a victim of the brutal imperial system? Did his nagging mother push him into being like this? Or was he just born to be one of the many imperial scumbags doing the bidding of the Emperor. Sure, we all know people like that. People with zero personality that are obsessed with work, but he showed no ambitions towards rank or career acceleration. I.e. his motivation was simply "justice" - had their been a line like, "If I catch Andor I'll be promoted to head of Morlana security" I'd have a different ppinion, but the subtle touches to make him likable were placed throughout. Him personally modifying his uniform to look better while the security head guy rolled his eyes, his awkward motivational speech, etc. I suppose I'm just hoping for complexity and some kind of arc other than "he's a guy built to be a cog and will go on to be a bigger one" I liked Syril Karn more than Andor. He's a soulless character molded by the machine of the Empire and the society and it'd be delightful to see him warmed up to have friends and a better purpose. Either way, the fact that a character in a Star War is complex and worthy of discussion goes to show how well written this show was!!! Hats off to you Tony Gilroy and friends! #teamsyril #catchandor

[@BlueMarsalis]

Hope Tony Gilroy goes on to make more politically charged Star Wars, if he wishes to, found Andor to be absolutely superb. (My dream being him adapting KOTOR II someday.)

[@Naberius359]

Well said.

[@pedrolucan4006]

Thank you, Krebs Gorlon.

[@Xanares]

The way I saw it was that Syril is recklessly chasing the miniscule and only chance of a ticket back to the "justice & order department" of the empire, because that was/is his entire identity. He lives for nothing else and has a need to pursue order to a sick but also quite human-relatable degree. (He may have a crush on Dedra too, but that is besides the point) In any case, it is delightful when characters are this well developed and rich with nuance. It's a rarity, especially in SW.

[@PoorStargazer]

did we simply forget the stalker parasocial relationship with Dedra? This dude ain't likable

[@Intrusive_Introvert]

Mike not remembering if there was a Jedi in the Phantom Menace but pulling 'Kyber Crystal' out of his ass had me rolling.

[@MrRoyalOss]

Or about that one camera shot

[@sleepteam]

@@MrRoyalOssthat camera shot is iconic

[@LuisManuelLealDias]

Come on did people really take him seriously when he was talking about Jedis in TPM??

[@Intrusive_Introvert]

@@LuisManuelLealDias As serious as anything else they've done, lol.

[@JJ_5289]

theres been another trilogy of movies and all these star wars spinoff shows/movies. Its too much. Everything becomes a blur

[@graywz]

Andor is the best Disney Star Wars... by far. Much better than all the movies and all the shows. No contest.

[@samwallaceart288]

Because Disney straight-up forgot it existed and left Tony alone to write it the way he wanted

[@trevorcoyle517]

Best Star Wars in decades

[@wheeliebin18]

I'd argue it's better than the prequel trilogy too.

[@madhavgoel4974]

Andor imo is the best star wars period

[@toyfreaks]

Can't believe you left the Holiday Special out of your Star Wars chronology

[@hxllxwpxint.]

Rich, Andor could come back after Rogue: One. We just need an opening title crawl and a line to bring him back. "Somehow, Andor has returned."

[@bc-cu4on]

"Space turtles, hombre"

[@NinjaFreak380]

I totally just skimmed the comments to see if anyone said before I typed it. Bravo sir.

[@coconutz11]

No ones ever REAAAALLY gone

[@williamerazo3921]

lol

[@_ArsNova]

He survived the explosion but is hooked up to all those tubes and has burnt fingers and no iris' or pupils like Palpatine in Episode IX.

[@Fredlyy]

I hope Mike's middle-class imperial mon calamari show gets made

[@rutgaurxi7314]

I'm still waiting on Space Cop: The Revenge.

[@Livefreeordont]

Another point, the empire is speciest. I agree completely we need a mon calamari show or at least for them to be featured in a show like Andor

[@Grogeous_Maximus]

@@rutgaurxi7314 Space Cop is a cyber-character! He's not real!

[@antpat]

I hope it comes in the form of a sitcom

[@dembro27]

Star Wars: Squid Game

[@skarlock5257]

What I got out of this review is that Andor season 2 really needs to be exclusively set on Tatooine where a billion Jedi with Lightsabers are fighting a billion Sith Lords with lightsabers.

[@marshallscot]

Rich would probably love an Office style comedy show based around a Mon Calamari shipyard attempting to keep up with Rebel ship quotas and requirements.

[@BasicWorldbuilder]

The Munder-Difflin Droid Supply company would be an awesome show. Honestly anything to get us out of dramatic lightsabers, rebels, Jedis and empires would be a nice break. I would legitimately love to see a scene for scene recreation 'the office' swapped out with Star wars aesthetics and lingo.

[@j.w.m.415]

​@BasicWorldbuilder A light saber accident in the conference room however, would be hilarious.

[@BasicWorldbuilder]

@@j.w.m.415 The shows equivalent of Michael gets his hands on one somehow and wackiness follows, resulting in him accidentally cutting a vending machine in half. Cut to a staff meeting with HR about how staff, even management, aren't allowed to bring contraband weapons to work. At the end of the episode it is revealed that Jymm froze D'whyts stapler in Carbonite.

[@PatricksCrazyPlace]

Imagine being famous for a video essay that completely ripped the Phantom Menace apart only to come back years later and ask "Were there Jedis in the Phantom Menace?" LOL

[@Somedudeguywhat]

Years of alcohol and disappointment can do a number on the brain

[@vespenegas261]

That's disconnection for you. Reviewing TRoS Mike asked something like "Does anyone care at this point?". So he clearly doesn't. Why even remember this stuff if it means nothing and goes nowhere? So your brain just tosses it out and makes more space for more important things. Like laundry and parking tickets.

[@conorshaw5755]

Good I love how apathetic Mile is towards star wars. The original trilogy will always have a place in my heart but like who cares at this point.

[@dannydewario1550]

"The fuck's a jedi?" -Mike Stoklasa

[@Duragizer8775]

I legitimately am jealous. I want to be that forgetful of the PT (and ST, for that matter). But the memes keep them alive in my head (or more accurately, undead).

[@deanthemachine7489]

24:22 it’s funny because Syril Karn’s blaming Andor for his shitty life instead of the Imperial system is INCREDIBLY realistic when you think of how many people handle their politics in the real world

[@josephwantock1993]

Exactly. Karn doesn’t blame the system for his troubles, he blames other people underneath that oppressive system. He’s a true believer because he once had power that he enjoyed exercising. And who’s to say he won’t go through a transformation like Mike described in season 2?

[@BlueMarsalis]

Exactly the point of his character. He blames the people, and not the system, and fetishizes Deedra Meero.

[@AndyTheIrateAnt]

Right.. I think they missed that his character is helping serve to show the bleak reality of living in the empire, as well as how folks are seemingly unable to identify, in this case, the empire as the cause of their issues. Instead they stick to what they were taught, focusing on something else (like andor) that becomes the reason for their problems.

[@mat3714]

I don't understand how syril let them down, it's the complete opposite for every people i know who watched the show.....we're all so god damn tired of sw redemption and nobody stays dead. It's much more interesting to have someone like andor but on the other side.

[@chengkane7694]

It's actually very personally relatable, when CCP was still enforcing the "Zero Covid" policy after the epidemic had ended and locked down tens of millions of people in their homes, there were so many of "Syril Karn"s blaming the people who actually protested and resisted, instead of the systerm who's forcing it upon everyone

[@iroquoispliskin155]

Mike and Rich growing old together watching sci-fi makes me so happy.

[@PseudoNym13]

its the single modern star wars production with competent writers and directors and actors and it also doesn't look cheap and isn't full of over the top references for no reason.

[@daviddobarganes9115]

I love how in Andor he ends up in prison pretty much by accident. The system is too stupid and bureaucratic to do anything well (like catch him), but also completely uncaring about the damage it does.

[@ashkebora7262]

Just like real life! That's why only morons _gleefully_ say, "y'know they got Capone on tax fraud, right?" (or what ever huge mobster) It's AMAZING how insanely unjust and stupid IRL is.

[@andybrice2711]

Oh, it's not an accident though. They're deliberately imprisoning people en-masse so they can [SPOILER] use them as slave-labour to build the Death Star.

[@Justowner]

@@ashkebora7262 The thing about Capone is that he was a serious gangster criminal. Everybody knew it. The man was responsible for quite a bit of murder. But Gangs and Mobs operate with a great deal of separation between the decision makers and the guys actually doing the deeds. The guy was committing tons of crime, it just wasn't possible at that time to connect him to any in a way our justice system could convict on. The only aspect of his operation which was sloppy enough to work, was tax evasion.

[@fluidthought42]

​@@Justowner This is also why RICO was created as legislation, to be able to prosecute leaders of criminal organizations that otherwise _technically_ were never proven to be doing dirty work themselves.

[@SimonBuchanNz]

​@@ashkebora7262in what context do people say that "gleefully"?

[@Masked_Pirate_Geist]

I love how Rich's spirit gets broken when he gets a prophetic realization.

[@dklustick]

He’s like Paul usul atreides in so many respects.

[@Brent_Mosey]

My spirit was broken too. F Andor.

[@EyeShotFirst]

The burden of his shining.

[@tuomasronnberg5244]

Foreseeing B movie plots is his gift and curse

[@Moonhermit-]

He really had decent enough expectations of the second season, seeing no obvious ways they were gonna fuck it up, then that one Kyber-shaped puzzle piece fell into place and BOOM the single most Disney way possible at fucking up the series just appeared before him like an angry spirit. The one thing Disney simply cannot stop doing: turning everyone and everything into a Jedi or Sith (or close enough to them that they practically are). It's impossible for a Disney Star Wars adaptation to not have Force-dorks with increasingly complex light saber variants in them. Sure, it *might* not happen. The writers and directors *could* fight off studio meddling for just once. But we've seen Disney do it's foul work, the chances are high they'd do it.

[@jo-flowbmoonsmell8564]

In the near future: Mike: "Hey, Rich have you heard of this Mr. Plinkett guy? I was watching him and it turns out he's me!" Rich: "I know Mike, I'm also Mr. Plinkett, let's put you to bed."

[@aysaqchaudhry6054]

I love how whenever these guys watch stuff like Andor, Obi-Wan Kenobi, the center of their confusion is always "We didn't watch Clone Wars" lol

[@Comicsnculture]

Andor is full of fantastic British character actors who aren’t tying to be stars and aren’t afraid to look run down or ‘ugly’ but are just good at their job and know how to make the world feel real

[@GRB-tj6uj]

That's because they filmed during Covid. A lot of excellent British actors were out of work, so they could cast them in relatively small roles

[@smileydog5941]

Just as the original trilogy intended

[@shugaroony]

@@smileydog5941 Yeah the OT is full of Brits because it was filmed there in the main.

[@mphylo2296]

There's quite a few Game of Thrones alumni in the cast but you might miss them because none of them have large or particularly glamorous roles.

[@joshuatxuk]

The Brits in general have been better about casting relatable and, for lack of a better word, "regular" looking people in their shows and films. Some American cable shows have been better at this too (Fargo, Better Call Saul, Mare of Easttown) but overall this def felt more like the OT and a British show in that regard.

[@griffinspecker266]

I think the corporate security character’s arc was well done. Not everyone comes to the realization that the system will not give them justice. Sometimes they become radicalized by the “law and order” mentality to believe the government can provide justice if they were the ones in charge

[@Nodiee1]

I actually really appreciate that he doesn't realize the error of his ways and turn against the Empire, but buys in completely to the Empire being a force for justice and good. The show seems to want to create a realistic interpretation of a fascistic government and part of that is demonstrating how willing the average person can be to enthusiastically support that system.

[@connorokeefe67]

I understand where they’re coming from but characters like that are an overlooked but important part of oppressive systems, you need enough little people supporting, even just passively, and believing they’ll someday get their chance to be useful and important. If there’s a perceived outlet for personal gain, there will always be somebody looking to benefit.

[@iratepirate3896]

Something I thought was great but Mike only touched on with the point about Stormtroopers being in the background, was the show's treatment of the Empire's resources and scale. The show starts with a corporate protectorate, with security outsourced to useful idiots, and Ferrix itself is basically unoccupied. Gradually as events heat up, Imperial army troops begin to appear, the garrison is explored, and gradually more higher echelon forces are revealed until by the end you have Stormtroopers and a full on military occupation. It makes it all feel so much more real.

[@tamlandipper29]

That was definitely the point of the story. The Sith empire has cruelty and corruption as the heart of it. Which is fine. That's built in.

[@KingOfMadCows]

The guy was basically brownshirt Javert.

[@cloak211]

36:00 Not only do you see the mouse droid, but it's subverted for a purpose. When it's seen in ANH, Chewie scares it away. When you see it in Andor, Syril Karn *is surprised and awkwardly steps around it*. Great use of a reference to say a lot about a new character in one scene.

[@jimireynoldsmusic]

The whole time watching this I was thinking of Mike calling him 'Cassian Andorian' from the Rogue One review years ago

[@Kaospyri]

The thing about Syril Karn is that he represents a real kind of person who exists, they suffer under the same system and share a class with Cassian Andor, but lack the self awareness to recognize themselves in him.

[@kdkseven]

Just like most Americans.

[@Irvaxtenlol]

It's basically the marxist term for false class conciousness. Andor takes a lot from Marx

[@BrentButler]

Yeah, and this is why I disagree with Mikes take on it.. I think it would have been corny if by the end of the season he switched sides

[@andybrice2711]

Yeah, I don't think his primary motivation is justice. He's attracted to order, and power.

[@TheDarkPorkins]

@@BrentButler Yeah the events in the series just caused him to Double-Down. I've been in that guys shoes...eventually we all learn its an unrealistic expectation and Chaos is uncontrollable...he hasn't seen ENOUGH yet to get there. He may by the end of the series.

[@kirby2567]

i am really glad Andy Serkis got to come back to star wars and play an actual character

[@Justanotherconsumer]

And knocked it out of the park.

[@Invalidcookie-bv4cx]

One way out!

[@MildMisanthropeMaybeMassive]

That was KINO.

[@KareiTV]

Andy Serkis is by far the most underrated actor out there imo. Can’t really name a role he didn’t perform admirably in. Even his voicing of Snoke in the-movie-that-shall-not-be-named was top notch

[@kylerstorm9260]

his character was actual trash, an empty cliche plot device but of course fan bois cream their jeans and demand he get an oscar because its Andy Serkis

[@esporev]

32:05 holy crap! That’s some deep analysis I never thought Rich was capable of, he’s great, it just came out of left field. Good job Rich

[@drakeafletcher]

It’s really interesting how fan service is used in this show. Because it’s more grounded, cannon fodder like Stormtroopers and TIE fighters are real threats, like they would be to the subjects of a fascist empire. Normal people would be TERRIFIED of Stormtroopers. TIE Fighters would be like an F-35 flying at you. It manages to make the Empire scary

[@pwh1981]

Look at the background shots of Luthen's antique store. It's filled with all kinds of fan-service easter eggs, including out-of-universe stuff like the Sankara Stones from Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom. That's how fan-service is handled well, by being small little things that fans will appreciate seeing but not being something the spot-light is shined on while jangling the keys in your face.

[@dking6021]

@@pwh1981 its also the fact that fan service isn't trying to make up for shitty writing, if you write in well fan service is just writing the story

[@TomCruz54321]

This is how you do fan service. They are sprinkled in, not the main attraction. They're just window dressing. The mistake directors do is they keep pointing to it like member berries, they put it in the trailers as trailer bait, they put pauses in the scenes for audience applause.

[@randyc8771]

“Watch this, Lisa! You can actually pinpoint the second when Rich Evans’s heart rips in half!”

[@samsschool3639]

I cho cho choose you

[@AaAa-je5eo]

@@samsschool3639 I bent my wookie

[@samsschool3639]

@@AaAa-je5eo my cats breath smells like cat food

[@Tom_Van_Zandt]

​@@samsschool3639Just because you win doesn't mean you lose.

[@samsschool3639]

@@Tom_Van_Zandt Hi Supernintendo Chalmers!

[@ryansperry7599]

Mike remembers details from every next-generation episode but does not remember if there are Jedi in The Phantom Menace or that Palpatine was in Rise of Skywalker.

[@bc-cu4on]

More frequent rewatches, probably.

[@bearimo2867]

Also known as: Priorities

[@JCIce007]

Mirror Universe Mike knows Palpatine's first name and the crew compliment of a Star Destroyer, but can't tell you what deck engineering is on the Enterprise.

[@bentonrp]

Sounds like a good life to me.

[@Pintheshadows]

Good.

[@wirilome]

I regularly forget Andor is a person and think it's a planet

[@41tl]

"The forest moon of Andor."

[@tuppot]

Andor is so good it resetted Mike's brain and now he craves for deep Star Wars lore. I know people in the comments now way more about the production than them, but I love that the creator didn't want any Easter eggs in the show but the crew did it anyway. Maybe that's why it's never framed as _something_ to be seen, but rather as being there because it's supposed to.

[@LordMay0]

When the realization that they're going to turn him into a jedi hits Rich. Chef's kiss.

[@profbacon]

He’s going to be Obi-WAN’s brother.

[@CasusUniversum]

​@@profbaconoh FUCK I hope you're wrong ffs

[@voltijuice8576]

I don’t get it! That would mean that he’s already a jedi, and he’s already their favorite character, so nothing has changed.

[@ForwardSynthesis]

@@voltijuice8576It changes the context of his character, and who he *might* be. If the answer is "Jedi" then that ties him down to something that's already too worn out, especially in the post Order 66 world.

[@Ferret440]

​@@voltijuice8576 I think @ForwardSythesis is 100% right, but I might add that him having magical powers can also bring into question all the accomplishments he's had on the show. He would no longer be a normal guy doing these things, but someone "special".

[@damianplasencia2708]

hearing rich say "whatever" to mike explaining how boba fett climbs out of the sarlacc pitt is exactly how i picture disney executives agreeing to whatever pitch meeting theyre in or a script they are finalizing

[@therwfer]

Actually it was super easy, barely an inconvenience.

[@DrViperVideos]

Wait isnt boba fett like in his 30’s and fit? Why did he age 30 years and put on 70lbs? Whatever.

[@UCannotDefeatMyShmeat]

It’s wild that he only survived because a comic writer said “Nah I wanna use him though”

[@UCannotDefeatMyShmeat]

@@DrViperVideos”the digestive juices of the pit” or some bullshit, no doubt. I’m sure there’s a whole book about how the things asshole works.

[@fvckingtest]

its like Disney executives never watched that scene in community where Patton Oswalt describes that exact event, scene-for-fucking-scene.

[@Croftwell]

Mike: "A smile would be nice." The characters in Andor: "Nothing to smile about in my life."

[@nathanielzarny1176]

39:50 you need a smile? You get one. When Cassian convinces Luthen that he's gonna fight the empire now. That smile man...

[@pokes404]

Turns out the scariest weapon you can give the Empire in your Star Wars show/movie isn't a mega-laser, or bigger ships, or guys who also have lightsaber-esque weapons ... but competence. These guys are actually scary, and it makes our heroes victories actually feel earned. If you would have told me a year ago that Andor was going to be my favorite Star Wars property since the Original Trilogy I would have thought you were crazy. But here we are.

[@phenom568]

The big problem with Star wars today is the incompetent "bad guys". As a result the suspension of disbelief gets broken almost immediately. Ahsoka is a recent good example of this with Thrawn.

[@deanthemachine7489]

It also gives grounding to why the Empire fucks up frequently because it’s full of backstabbing careerists just trying to make their résumé’s look good. There are some comments in the ISB conference room that hit so realistically that I was shocked, mostly stuff about how some of the sectors are underreporting issues because they don’t want to get in trouble. It is almost like the people making Andor gave enough of a shit to think about what they were doing for more than 5 minutes

[@deanthemachine7489]

@@phenom568 completely agree. It is frustrating when it feels like a basic tier of storytelling competence to *show* why a significant villain would have a fearsome reputation instead of him repeatedly getting pantsed and his bare butt, back, and balls getting spanked and calmly stating “Just as I planned”

[@scottneil1187]

​@@phenom568There's bigger problems with that, style over substance, pandering, awful writing, don't wanna write an essay though.

[@silverprimus321boi9]

​@@deanthemachine7489exactly. The legends timeline goes over this as well, even zahns new novels in Disney canon work. The thing is, Disney should never have touched that brand. Beyond all of its other major problems (pandering, shit writing, key jangling, spectacle over substance), their biggest issue now is their canon and how it constantly gets fucked over. Disney literally de canonized the EU because they said it was too contradictory, but since they've bought over the IP, Disney has CONSTANTLY been fucking up their own canon, and now with a guys and gals like Dave filoni and weinsteins assistant failing upwards more and more, they're going to just blatantly disregard their comics and novels (even zahns nu canon thrawn novels) to make their slop. Genuinely, andor deserves to sit in the legends continuity, it would have made a fine addition to the empire Era stuff there. I'd have loved to see characters like Armand Isard be involved in these stories, the potential is insane.

[@SuperHero1234123]

Oh, man! If this doesn’t fix my parent’s shattered marriage and general familial dynamic, nothing will!

[@cbook7096]

It will And/or won't.

[@SuperHero1234123]

@@cbook7096if not, maybe the inevitable The Batman (2022) Re:View will, haha! I’m RLM-ental for these guys!

[@SuperHero1234123]

Ha! Nice try, dad!

[@olavisalomaa]

Nothing will

[@sonsofthewestredwhiteblue5317]

@@cbook7096only the Sith hedge their bets.

[@ArtemisTGM]

I know we joke around... Bit I'm actually super hyped for season 2! The writing in this show is S-Teir and the fact it's set in Star wars makes it oh so bitter sweet 🤌🏼💯🔥

[@ThePFD518]

Watching Mike rightfully compliment the sets of the show after seeing Star Wars Theory complain about bricks and screws makes this so much better

[@dustywaynemusic6297]

You watch Star Wars Theory? 😂😂😂😂

[@afanofpeanuts7381]

StarWarsTheory has become a bit of a crybaby-complaining, hack..

[@SammyNail]

@@afanofpeanuts7381 I dont watch or even know of the channel, but hasnt that been the Star Wars MO for like... idk 20 years?

[@CrazyKoenie]

Star Wars theory’s got a Darth Vader toy stuck in his brain

[@VoidVagabond]

@@dustywaynemusic6297I don't watch Star Wars Theory but I heard about his complaints of Andor through memes, I wouldn't be surprised if @ThePFD518 is in the same boat.

[@KL-pe4kn]

"It's a meme, right?" Oh, dearest Mike. You are now officially a part of your beloved elderly community.

[@Justanotherconsumer]

The series of tubes is full of approval.

[@pogglywoggly3292]

Mike who?

[@jkcrawl]

Tbf I don't think not paying much attention to online memes is a bad thing. Social media is brain rot.

[@WreckageBrother-rd5zf]

Somehow Mike forgot about Palpatine.

[@climbinggreenlizard]

He's apparently senile, forgetting the basic plot points of the prequel trilogy even though he became famous from his crazy in depth Plinket videos on that topic

[@TheDanBlanchet]

Maybe Andor’s character’s arc was subtle but it was definitely there and the whole season evolves around what makes him change his mind and join the rebellion. All the other characters that evolve around him are stronger and have more conviction than him and you say the show should not be called Andor because he didn’t do or say much but you guys clearly missed the point. It’s everything that surrounds him that make him who he is and what he becomes towards the end. It’s brilliant storytelling. I was wondering all along what would make this self preserving character flip so hard that he would become a symbol of the rebellion just on its own. That first season masterfully showed us that in all its subtlety and nuances and its totally a show about him and his growth.

[@cgrenadier]

Mike missed something very key about the Empire, they were very speciest! Nothing but humans in positions of power, office jobs, and the military. The Mon Calamari as well as the Wookies were reduced to slavery, this is why they resist the empire.

[@cuttingbored4195]

Knowledge is knowing that Star Wars is fantasy with space paint. Wisdom is knowing that doesn’t mean riding horses along the outside of a spaceship.

[@WreckageBrother-rd5zf]

It was "almost a ground battle", but yeah kinda true.

[@PseudoNym13]

iT BrOKe NeW GrOuND!

[@WreckageBrother-rd5zf]

@@PseudoNym13 It's like alive horses beating someone else

[@somethingironic2227]

thats funny

[@normalgraham]

I mean, I want to agree but I also remember the seismic charges from Episode 2 causing concussive sound waves in space and I remember that Star Wars is a baby franchise for babies

[@Megarobotsquadron]

Andor hid in a space fridge and survived the death star blast

[@komred64]

Wait a minute

[@SleepingGiant77]

Maybe he sliced open Jyn Erso like a Tauntaun and hid inside her corpse

[@Megarobotsquadron]

@@SleepingGiant77 that's an amazing suggestion

[@DaxSchaffer]

Was that before or after he worked as a teacher "part time"?

[@Solarnova]

@@SleepingGiant77 They smell even better.... on the inside?!

[@nickjones9867]

I kinda like the idea of the empire becoming increasingly incompetent as time goes on due to complacency and as the battle hardend clones are phased out for untrained backworld yokals who are just looking for money because the empire has killed their home planets economy. This would also fit better with why in the origional trilogy the main cast can just half ass their rescue.

[@DelaronZarath]

Episode 9 had one major flaw: They should have used velociraptors instead of horses. Then it would have been perfect

[@djJaXx101]

The thing I enjoyed most about this show is that it gave me a nice relaxing break from consistently thinking: -That doesn't make sense? -Who would make that stupid choice -WTF are you doing? -Why are you acting out of character? You know, all those things that less well thought out shows have to force on their characters into in order to create drama, conflict, action or other interesting scenarios.

[@RobbieB2606]

Exactly, couldn't have said it better myself

[@pobbityboppity1110]

Or even just a show where the dialogue wasn’t written to hit people over the head with the themes of the show. Like “this guy is so evil! Watch him be evil for three scenes in a row! Do you get it???”

[@UCannotDefeatMyShmeat]

I can’t already feel the thousands of handwaves in the direction of that sentiment, I’m afraid

[@phenom568]

The show does cause and effect really well.

[@ewanhoo]

then when you try to analyze it, the creators themselves didn't give a crap either as shown in the plinkett reviews hence the movie/story was shite.

[@mustardtigre1558]

This episode alone is going to provide so much fodder for the next generation of RLM dementia compilations.

[@LadyTylerBioRodriguez]

When he genuinely gets dementia everyone is gonna point and laugh because he'd want that.

[@Schmuni]

FINALLY! I was so disappointed when they kept ripping on Andor without having seen it. It is the best Star Wars product there is. Actual meaning and message. Perfect cinematic scifi that also happens to be Star Wars, is how i would have described it.

[@simonhanson795]

Andor is a fascinating experiment for the fanbase. Its clearly a good show but at this stage certain fans are so invested in making fun of it that they cant accept or acknowledge its actually good. So they've convinced themselves its bad.

[@overseasguy]

Boba Fett climbing outta the Sarlacc: "I want that juicy 'Lacc meat!"

[@thea.m.p.co.467]

💀

[@HerohammerStudios]

Would unironically have been better

[@UCannotDefeatMyShmeat]

That’s basically what the comic book writer who made that escape up was thinking, I imagine.

[@coconutz11]

We need the Bo & Lacc miniseries

[@ryanmartin6580]

i want it rare!

[@Elykar]

I like this new twist where Rich Evans starts out hopeful at the beginning of an episode and is completely destroyed by the end. That's more dramatic than being completely destroyed at the beginning.

[@CasusUniversum]

That's his character arc. We, the audience, get to see the rebirth of his childlike innocence and its inevitable and ultimate death.

[@STTPMASFTNE]

I like the added detail that his hope is destroyed completely by his own mind and nothing else.

[@Elykar]

Rich Evans is the only force that can truly stop Rich Evans, much to Mike's chagrin.@@STTPMASFTNE

[@WreckageBrother-rd5zf]

He makes like a change, that is called an arc

[@bruce000000070000000]

@@STTPMASFTNEyeah lol, I don’t even get why him being a Jedi would ruin him, he’s still a great character. It’s also most likely that he was the lover of a Jedi that died and that sent him down this path

[@alklazaris3741]

The fact it's taking so long to get season 2 out worries and excites me.

[@andysiegel725]

Great discussion! A couple things: 1. I think Karn’s arc is meant to mirror Cassian’s in that Karn gets radicalized to fascism while Cassian goes toward rebellion. 2. I think “Andor” as title is less about Cassian in particular but as the idea of rebellion. Could even say it refers to his adoptive mother Marva Andor, who is the one who ignites the rebellion within Cassian.

[@tyrannosaur6265]

The silence from Rich when Mike said "Ahsoka" spoke volumes

[@danksponential6057]

I’m surprised though, I was convinced they have watched it and barely knew it existed.

[@DrViperVideos]

Nobody remembers that show. The shills clapped like seals and cried when they saw anakin but ask them to describe ahsoka’s character or what happened, they have no clue

[@mysticsaxophone4181]

I felt that in my lower intestines. The fascist ones

[@whompronnie]

"Luke, did I ever tell you about Ahsoka Tano? She was your father’s exotic teenage alien apprentice..." - Obi-wan Kenobi

[@Anacronian]

Rich is a cyber animal, and they forgot to animate him there.

[@kurtdewittphoto]

Cutting to George using a laser pointer on the big screen to explain his VFX had me dying.

[@paulycatz]

He's good at the cyber.

[@rutgaurxi7314]

Better than modern directors embarrassing themselves using VR at least (Looking at you, Matt Reeves!).

[@n0isyturtle]

A funny little cyber character.

[@ZenLoveX]

I just cant be arsed to care anymore, which is something really hard to say when Star Wars WAS one of my favorite franchises around. It just went down hill so fast and so quickly that even the "good" stuff comes out I just am like "Yeah, but its Star Wars...." not a fun feeling getting older and the things you use to love mean basically nothing to you now

[@afanofpeanuts7381]

Andor is the greatest Star Wars thing I have ever seen since Empire strikes back and Return of the Jedi. 9.6/10

[@MiguelVicoR]

My way to explain Andor to people "in Star Wars the empire are the nazis from Indiana Jones, in Andor the empire are the nazis from Shindler's List"

[@ApathyParabellum]

The US uses slave labour in prisons now.

[@bentonrp]

Hahaha! Good explanation 😂

[@ewanhoo]

yeah but even in Indiana Jones the nazis ultimately got the McGuffin and only felled by God.

[@mrg3241]

"I've never really had a reason to hate the empire." I always thought the total destruction of Alderaan seemingly on a whim by the Empire was an understated event in these movies.

[@EvilMAiq]

There are flight logs of US presidents visiting an island which purpose was underage sex slavery.

[@johnnymittle]

But to us it was 'good guy planet.' Still a moustache twirling move.

[@darkshadow31415]

To be fair, that hadn't happened yet in universe. They didn't even know they were building the Death Star in prison.

[@Michael_ORourke]

Also, remember that the stormtroopers burned Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru while they were still alive.

[@zaatas]

Killing all the Jedi was a D move to start with as well. Say what you want about their faults, they were responsible for doing a lot of good in the galaxy. They were basically the galactic 911 for any impossible or too important to fail assignments. If something important was going down, there was a good chance a Jedi would be getting involved.

[@Ian-ot7up]

Mike forgetting the original Clone Wars animated show is just more proof that the dementia has calcified his frontal lobe. And not to spare Rich: "They're not mustache-twirling" about the Empire that uses the choral screams of a dying species to torture a scrapper to find the location of a thief.

[@investigativebatman]

He's not talking about their actions but rather how they carry themselves. These evil assholes act like real life evil assholes and not cartoonish evil assholes.

[@MrNoscopeJones]

Seeing someone joining the Imperial army just to pay for college is a storyline I am desperate to see

[@batnacks]

Deedra doesn't reject Syril's help because she wants all the credit, she does it because he's a random self-righteous loser who got his subordinates killed

[@CunySark]

Their whole read of Syril is crazily off the mark. So very overtly an emotionally stunted fascist-fanboy twerp, the show would have sucked if he’d just turned that whole mess around by the end of one season for… reasons?

[@michaelterry6576]

He was smart enough to find Andor when it seemed impossible. Failure isn't a sign of being a closer, failure is a part of life and only children expect to be successful 100% of the time. He didn't have practical experience but he seems talented and intelligent at least.

[@ChuckPalomo]

Yeah I was thinking the same. Also, he didn't disobey his superior and go after Andor because of his sense of justice, he was a wannabe cop obsessed with authority and being the big man (mommy issues). Basically, the ideal follower of fascism, a true believer.

[@batnacks]

@@michaelterry6576 he didn't find Andor because he was smart and deductive, he found him because Timm got jealous about his girlfriend's ex and ratted him out

[@moksound19]

@@michaelterry6576 failure isn't the part that makes him an apparent loser. She sniffed that out about him because he was so eager to be a striving toadey zealot. Which is ironic, since she's just a more polished and experienced version. Maybe minus the zealotry - we'll see in season two.

[@hefoughtabear118]

Syril's story still works as a parallel to Andor's because it's a negative arc. When Andor got pushed too far he decided to change, when Syril got pushed too far he decided to just keep doing the same thing hes always been doing because that's what the Empire makes its citizens believe, that satisfaction or justice is only achieved when serving the Empire

[@Blockistium]

perhaps the contrapositive arc

[@Seeric85]

I think it's a misinterpretation to say that Syril is after justice. What he wants is order. Personally, he is also after meaning and control. He must be part of something bigger. Including his mother is a great touch to give the audience a better insight into his psyche.

[@DasKomet]

Exactly. The show parallels them by contrasting Andor’s strength of character against Syril’s total weakness of character. Syril is a weak little hanger-on who WANTS to be part of something bigger because that means he’ll earn respect. Andor wanted nothing to do with being part of something bigger but his strength of character forces his hand.

[@VonJay]

Syrill hasn’t had an arc yet. He hasn’t seen the inner workings of the empire. He hasn’t seen that “hang em” guy that hung Andor’s friend. Or the psychopathic torture guy. He hasn’t seen who his love interest really is. He’s like the embodiment of myopic justice. He believes in justice for the sake of it without really understanding that just because you work for an institution it doesn’t automatically makes you moral. It’s why his superior was able to correctly discern what happened to his security officers based on prior interactions with them. And the second to third order consequences of publicly divulging their deaths as murders. Whereas Karn doesn’t care or has little interest in who they are or were. So I think the second season is setting up this revelation to Karn, and from there we’ll see if he has a positive or negative arc. I personally believe that he’ll have a positive one, he’s shown that he’s naive but has not shown that he’s immoral. And I think he serves as a good vehicle or POV for audiences that have similar myopic interpersonal tendencies. Remember, a character arc is dependent on “the lie a character believes about themselves or the world” (you can Google that) and vital information about the lie. What the character chooses to believe or not believe, or how they utilize the truth, determines whether they have a positive or negative arc. And Karn received no vital information in season 1.

[@ince55ant]

theres also a cool contrast in how syril worships this commander who he believes will light the way, while andor sees luthen more cynically. and those leaders too; one farcically loyal to the empire, and the other so rogue he has his own people killed

[@bridgerhibbert2993]

55:40 - Honestly, even though it would shift my perception of Luthen's character..........that would be a twist I would not have seen coming. Then again, Jyn had a kyber crystal and none of her family were related to that... Regardless, I loved this part of the video!

[@Hirnlego999]

A Star Wars for adults, which is a rare things. Glad season 2 is being made

[@neutralgeoff]

"My human self wants..." Spoken like a true human being, Mike

[@NTNG13]

Based and buddahpilled

[@Justanotherconsumer]

Next you’re going to say he’s thinking with meat.

[@Jamesviolaofficial]

you two are andorable

[@backwardthoughts1022]

-_-

[@conorshaw5755]

Fucking cringe, I cant hit the thumbs down enough

[@pogglywoggly3292]

Just a pair of andorgynous thems having a good time

[@kentuckyninja8712]

Rich and Mike look like they are in their 70s.

[@trtx84]

With Andor and Young Jedi, Star Wars is *finally* getting to what made the MCU work in the early years. Different genre, different tones, but all within the same universe. Give people variety instead of the relative sameness that MCU has become and Star Wars *was.*

[@PatricksCrazyPlace]

One of the things I liked about Andor was that the villains weren't cartoonishly evil or incopotent ham heads like they are in the Sequel Trilogy. They are are cold and caculating officers doing their jobs and duty, which to me is more intimidating than having them shout and goosestep.

[@AUMOTmusic]

They're cold and calculating, but they're also careerist strivers ... very human and compelling

[@TheCheat_1337]

They were incompetent, but in a believable, bureaucratic way, rather than just jokes

[@connorokeefe67]

⁠@@TheCheat_1337Their incompetencies stem from their beliefs and the systems they serve creating realistic blind spots, instead of just the plot needing to happen or the tone to lighten up a bit

[@colten53]

They were humanized very well. Those who were career opportunists and hard workers were competent and dogmatic in their beliefs. The incompetent officers are relatable because they’re just clocking to their 9 to 5 job and trying not to draw attention to themselves

[@SergioLeRoux]

I would say the boss that didn't want to investigate the deaths was very competent. He perfectly predicted what would happen if they took it seriously, and ordered steps to prevent that.

[@FunkMcLovin]

Whenever Mike pulls out a folded piece of paper with a list on it you KNOW you're in for a good time.

[@MusikCassette]

but the list is incomplete. where is ewoks? where is the crhistmas special?

[@ArthurFellig]

Rogue One rules. By far the best of the feature length stuff from the new school.

[@zachaby8670]

I jumped so hard and started waving my hands around when the fly came around at 31:08, I was so immersed in listening and doing my rubik's cube lol

[@Hyper_1989]

The fact that Rich REMEMBERS the name of Andor's home planet shows that the show is good.

[@user-un1bs9lo7v]

"my appreciation for the prequels just went up a tick" STOKLASA, Mike. (the voice of Mr Plinkett)

[@placidfalcon7715]

George Lucas has been notified that the director of Space Cop SOMEWHAT appreciates his movies now.

[@PyrokineticFire1]

"I don't think George Lucas is smart enough to right dialogue this good" Mike just couldn't keep himself from dunking on Lucas though

[@maidros85]

That was tectonic

[@nathane5287]

It's important to remember where that appreciation was originally, down in the Mariana trenches, so it going up a tick didn't quite bring the appreciation sky-high, more like, still down there in the trenches technically, but not on the bottom of the pitch black ocean floor.

[@liquidityoforange440]

@Pyrokineticfire That’s just a widely held view of George’s writing. Even 4 had other writers edit his script and actors proclaiming to George, “you can write this but can’t say it.”

[@opheliajones2468]

Wonderful video, love listening to you guys. To be fair to the "more seasons", the show was designed to have 2 seasons: the first part showing Cassian Andor being radicalized and the second part to show how he becomes Captain Andor in the official Rebellion, the man we meet in Rogue One. So there shouldn't be more than that (and I surely hope not less than that).

[@evanthompson7494]

They need to start watching the animated showed. Every time they say they want to see something in Star Wars, I remember the episode of Clone Wars or Bad Batch where that happened.

[@itsd0nk]

The way they filmed Andor was really interesting when compared to every other Star Wars show by Disney. They didn’t use ANY of the volume afaik, and filmed on real locations that were carefully modified in post as set extensions and changes. It was filmed the way they did the Dune movies, which is amazing. Meanwhile, Disney is embarrassed by Andor and hid it on their app for some insane reason.

[@bridget7539]

This one of the reasons why I'm cautiously optimistic for The Acolyte. They built real sets and didn't use the Volume too. They also had a writers' room, which some of the other shows didn't, which really showed

[@airborneace]

Cause Andor is too smart for Nu-Disney fans. It regularly gets bashed by people who think shows like Book of Boba Fett are "amazing" and have a shelf of Funko pops sitting behind them

[@itsd0nk]

@@bridget7539 The Acolyte looks like they took the wrong lessons from Andor. I could be wrong, but it looks like the only thing they did differently from the bad shows was filming on some real sets. I got some pretty heavy Obi Wan writing vibes from what I saw.

[@dominicpinchott7432]

Anything filmed in The Volume is unwatchable for me. It's like the uncanny valley for scenery. Like it almost hurts my eyes.

[@bridget7539]

@@itsd0nk I didn't get that at all from the trailers so I guess only time will tell

[@Polum824545201]

Mike Stoklasa.. Kiem Klastosa Rich Evans.. Nav Reschi

[@Zarumee]

I like Klastosa, that's good!

[@cha02psc]

Thank you for this

[@dandylionwine]

Klastosa & Reschi: a Star Wars Story

[@mmattson8947]

I think you made it more complicated than Star Wars requires. Just swapping a few letters, instead of an actual anagram, works well. Stike Moklasa Ech Rivans

[@tau3457]

Shic Revan & Kek Salomista

[@bragoen]

Syril's arc imo is to paint a perspective that even characters with intentions that are inherently noble in nature can end up working for the "wrong side". That if you stubbornly refuse to understand context, you will end up working against your own ideas.

[@hamberdler5692]

5-7 years? Faaaaahk dude. I remember being younger and more drunk watching all of those reviews. Glad y’all’re all still alive to make more videos for this hellscape of modern media. Cheers

[@NecoLumi]

I BURN MY NUKIE TAPES TO MAKE A SUNRISE I'LL NEVER SEE! SO WHAT DO I SACRIFICE? EVERYTHING!

[@ohboy9077]

BEETLEJUICE!

[@ohboy9077]

TABLES!!!!!

[@kubli365]

@@ohboy9077 Chables?

[@ohboy9077]

@@kubli365 my grandpas name was Chuck hoffman! And my middle name is Chuck! They've been beetlejuiced! And beetlejoshed! THE TABLES KEEP MY HOUSE HOT!

[@danieltobin4498]

“NUUUUUUUKIE!!!!!”

[@mfbobyle6771]

Cyril is also weirdly obsessed with Dedra. He wants to be her and with her. He wants to surpass his mother’s expectations. He’s using “justice” as an excuse to succeed.

[@JohnnyZenith]

Yeah but pew pew lightsabers. God I can't stand the uber fans who don't appreciate what they've been given here.

[@PeterPing]

Bro just simping hard.

[@vainolilius8719]

Cyril is an excellent character because he shows us the psycho-sexual pathology of a regular fascist

[@KHR0M3K0R4N]

Cyril is a fascist. It’s really not anymore complicated than that.

[@RaviPillalamarri]

oedipus complex

[@ThePorpoisepower]

They missed Holiday special, and the Ewok Movies in their property timeline.

[@barahng]

Just finished watching Season 1, even though this video spoiled some things I thoroughly enjoyed it. How nice to have a smaller scale politica/spy thriller that doesn't hold your hand through the plot points and expects the audience to remember events fron 5 episodes previous without expository dialogue reminders.

[@leepauldavies6772]

All these years of watching you guys you finally reviewed something that I was in! I was an imperial trooper on the Aldhani episode. Finally I can sleep soundly. Loads of love you guys. Keep up the good work

[@leepauldavies6772]

Oh btw, I survived the aftermath and I'm in season 2😜

[@jamesfelstead4096]

Are you going to rebel?

[@WreckageBrother-rd5zf]

@@jamesfelstead4096 Rebel and wave at the camera

[@leepauldavies6772]

​@@jamesfelstead4096 Nah man, I've had a promotion 🤫

[@mikeycrackson]

@@leepauldavies6772Do you guys win in the end?? Oh god please tell me the Empire doesn't lose to a bunch of hippies!