Can You INSPECT & STAMP Your Own Structural Lumber???

In this video, I take our lumber inspection conversation a bit further along and discuss the opportunity to stamp your own lumber via self inspection. There is a great deal of mis-information circling around so hopefully this will shed some more light on the topic. Important links to check out:
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[@zb9795]

And despite all the regulations, it's not hard to find a stamped 2x8/10/12 that is crowned one way with a huge knot on the underside that will eventually dry out, crack, sag, and fail to hold its load.

[@frotobaggins7169]

none of the regulation, codes, certifications mean anything if the inspector fails and they always do. it's all about keeping the little guy out and minimizing competition. if it weren't, there would be other work arounds. go in any house and you will find code violations. so for all the rules, codes, regulation and inspections, it all fails in the end. I've seen new homes wired with every wire in the entire house including the service entrance cable through a single knock out in an electrical panel, complete with an inspectors stamp. so much for codes and inspections, all you got was an over priced fire hazard.

[@cheyennethorpe8626]

Several thousand years without regulations or inspectors... How did we ever manage??

[@frotobaggins7169]

@@cheyennethorpe8626 exactly. with all the modern building codes, it's surprising that any building older than 20 years is still standing if you listen to the engineers and codes people. fully 1/3 of modern lumber simply does not meet grade. with loose knots, checks, bows, crooks and tight knots that are fully 1/2 the size of the board, how they sell it as grade is criminal.

[@1djbecker]

@@cheyennethorpe8626 Survivor bias. Most building were horribly built and quickly fell down. We are only looking at the buildings that were very well built and were worth maintaining and repairing. Flying buttresses are a great example. They aren't decoration. Cathedrals were built over decades in part so that they could figure out what was failing. Buttresses were added to support the roof loads pushing outward. If cracks opened, an outer "flying" buttress was added.

[@joecummings1260]

@@1djbecker here in my part of the world, northeastern Pennsylvania, I do a little bit of demolition from time to time. Most of the older housing, and commercial buildings did I have to take down, are all due to water and or foundation issues. Not many of them are due to substandard structural elements. It's always either the roof started leaking, water getting behind the siding, or just poor drainage on the property. I'll bet 90% of them or some type of water damage.

[@darkone12491]

No regulation ever has been about protecting people it has always been one business trying to box out its competitors.

[@Thekilleroftanks]

no the whole point of regulations is to protect people the problem comes about when you allow anyone to enter the group who controls regulations. because someone could be the brother of a CEO that would greatly benefit from loosen regulations. a good solution is both massive background checks both for criminal but also social history. and then black them out. so no one knows whos on the board and keep everything as hidden and powerless as possible so no one whos power hungry will ever want to join the board. or finally create an AI that does this so the problem more or less solves itself.

[@TheWabbit]

@@Thekilleroftanks i agree its the point but it sure doesn't make to real life application. Don't get me started on inspectors, I've seen some crap that is so shameful.

[@jamesrucki4558]

More regulations are about push n pull Id agree. Pushing business to and from different companies n countries etc. Partially why it doesn't matter what party is in the white house lol

[@sunnywalker2826]

Lumber is regulated pretty heavily actually.

[@mikewhitaker2880]

talk about codes, and the fact that they are for safety, and i have to laugh... as an example i asked about this type of thing MANY years ago, and my question was this... if a code says build with your studs at 16 inches on center, why not build with studs at 12 inches on center... i got a 2 part answer... first and obvious is that 12 on center will use more lumber and cost more as a result... the second part is that most inspectors are assholes, they like to play the "to the letter" on these codes.. now to clarify some of this, i was living in Oklahoma at the time, tornado country.... you can see why i asked about that particular code.. after all 12 on center should be "and is" stronger than 16 or 24 on center... the later being what gets used for residential framing... and i figured i would get some safety issue on using 12 instead of 16 or 24 on center... nope what i got was inspectors are assholes... now it may be that state, it may be the time frame, and it may be jaded experiences of the people i talked too... but it is an example where in some cases the codes really mean diddly squat... does that mean we ignore those codes, i'm not gonna say no... but it is something to really wonder about also should mention i've seen store bought, stamped wood meant for structure that was totally useless for structure... does not happen VERY often, but i have seen them pop up in the stacks from time to time...

[@DieselRamcharger]

12 on center IS 24 on center.

[@archangel20031]

Couple decades ago when I used to live in Southern California we lived in an apartment complex or should I say a condo complex because it was long buildings that were like 4 to 6 units per building, and they were very strict about the parking and they only issued two types of parking tags. The red tag said you were entitled to park outside the garage during the day, but once the sun went down your car needed to be in the garage, and you were entitled to one of those. The 24-hour parking sticker was a blue one which meant you could park it outside the garage in a parking space day and night. The problem was, if there was fewer available parking spaces than blue parking passes (even though there were more parking spaces than there were units in that complex) so you had to get on a waiting list. The main issue is I owned two cars, one for the wife one for me, and the garage was only big enough to fit my car. If you were a part of the homeowners association board you would just simply issue yourself as many blue parking passes as you wanted. For one of the HOA board members, he got a blue parking pass, his wife got a blue parking pass, and their two kids who also drove cars also got blue parking passes. This was a common theme for the HOA board members and their friends. Needless to say the rest of us were not happy about having to be on the waiting list when some families had four five and six blue parking passes. Needless to say I quickly came into possessions of the materials to make blue parking passes, and did so for myself and anyone else who was in the same situation as I was, and we just made damn sure to have our vehicles parked outside before the rest of the HOA family members showed up. Apparently the HOA had failed to record who got which parking pass number and even what was a valid number for a parking pass, they had just bought a bunch of these different colored parking passes without recording what the numbers were, so they couldn't tell what parking pass they issued and what parking pass was manufactured. Situation was quickly squashed by the time I left because nobody wanted to tally up what households had how many blue parking passes, because the HOA board members would quickly rat themselves out.

[@farmyourbackyard2023]

... that moment when you are watching the speaker and you see something big and black moving in the woods behind him... totally thought that was a 🐻 black bear! 😆

[@RedToolHouse]

Ha! I have been getting that comment a bunch lately.

[@farmyourbackyard2023]

@@RedToolHouse so funny!!

[@tmoe7382]

That is a hog

[@jjones503]

Samsquatch

[@NM88310]

@@jjones503 Hamsqautch

[@ArcsandSparks315]

Just do like China does and spell the counterfeit stamp wrong. No trademark infringement

[@HobbyOrganist]

Like they did with the forged CARB certified flooring and got away with it

[@tmoe7382]

When the federal government starts obeying all the laws instead of picking the ones they honor then I will care about stamps.

[@evanscott1194]

Well said mate

[@DieselRamcharger]

fuck a stamp. my house. my life.

[@thornyturtleranch4u]

No shit and until trump get prosecuted by the IRS our tax liability for the next 10 years is $150.00 a year not too exceed $1500 in 10 years.

[@DieselRamcharger]

@@thornyturtleranch4u What stupid bullshit are you babbling about? The irs cant prosecute anybody. Its not even a govt agency. lol

[@thornyturtleranch4u]

@@DieselRamcharger laugh out loud in your face silly boy. You dont have a clue or youre the king of comedy.

[@diggernash1]

Very interested in the log cabin discussion; specifically, "When does lumber become logs?"

[@leifr7115]

A building inspector in Colorado explained it thus. They protect the consumer from the contractors and subs. Now, If you have the ability to build a house in Jefferson county yourself, you do not need to get it inspected, but if anything happens and the insurance company refuses to pay, your on your own. If you get your work inspected, the building department will show up in court to help you counter the insurance company.

[@james_robnett]

35 years ago I was living in Durango restoring a 100 year old house. I was young and stupid and decided I wanted to be a general contractor and went to the local inspection office and asked what I needed to get a contractors license. The lady at the desk said "What ?", and I said what test or tests do I need to pass to get a general contractors license. About that time another guy walked in and she said "Bob (or some name I no longer recall) this guy wants to know what he needs to be a general contractor". The guy just laughed and said "Hell, you only need a truck and a dog". He then explained to me that Colorado didn't do contractor licensing, they made it up in inspections. If you wanted to call yourself a contractor you just went ahead and did it. You could get a bonded license but that was just a financial thing not a technical thing. I liked that approach, but I moved back to New Mexico (which does have licensing) and never pursued it, probably the smartest thing I ever did.

[@marlinguidegun1657]

@@james_robnett NY doesn't license contractors either. Some cities do, however.

[@thebradleysoncatbirdhill6849]

You do a great job with these topics, Troy! I really appreciate the calm and balanced viewpoints you present!

[@crazychickenladyhomestead6918]

I can't wait for the timber frame discussion!

[@GODSREAL]

BTW I like your style. F those fear mongerers. Thanks for the laugh and forward thinking. Engineers are overpaid obstructionists.

[@itsnotfar]

Large homeless camps don't require grade lumber and allowed on public street and we can buy box store boards that fall apart and thats good too. The cost of doing business is increasing every day. How does an economy survive?

[@jerseycornboy]

I also collect Olights, they are of incredible quality that you won't find very easily. The quality is so good that I was surprised they were made in China. I have found that the quality of China products is better than American made, we don't really produce too much of anything that is quality anymore. What a shame but if China is making the best stuff I am buying China until American companies get their act together and make something decent.

[@benreber2277]

This very long video to say yes counterfeit stamps are illegal...🤦‍♂️

[@johnseavey6622]

lumber grading is crap. Iv'e been a builder for over 40 years I know a good piece of lumber and a crap piece of lumber when I see it .

[@bobbg9041]

Come buy a house in mo, and they used factory stamped wood. Yes the qulity of work is that bad a lot of the times. I'll put it like this, a 20' long wall in an upscale area started with a 20' bottom plate, 6' it was stright 10' is was moving over 1" 20' it was 4" out of stright you could look down the finished wall and see a big bow. I wouldnt let that builder make me a dog house. It was that dam bad, and it passed code. Code dosnt mean shit. Other problems with that house off the top of my head and it was a brand new home it was also the show house for the area the big picture window had leaked water in all over the inside covering the drywall and window seat. Brand new house. I helped a buddie do finish woodwork on the clubhouse, the inside rockers forgot to cut out a window, the funny part was you could see it outside looking in the window. And we never framed it untill it was noticed by me. I seen it walking outside smoking a cigarette came in and told the guy about it then walked around the place lookin in every window for more. This was union guys who did this.

[@gsmscrazycanuck9814]

As a contractor, when you see how bad the workmanship can get on a project, you quickly understand and appreciate the need for inspections and grading. Because I am not an engineer, I tend to over build. Sometimes I won't agree with codes that I feel are inadequate and build stronger than required.

[@kevinschanze3974]

anybody can make a house stand (overbuild), it takes an engineer to make a house barely stand. lol

[@littleboysue2363]

As a builder I completely agree with this comment. There are several codes when framing a house that in my mind are unnecessary, while there are also several that are insufficient and I would never trust. Due to this i used to think that Inspections and code was just a scam and another way for the government to get money. but codes are the only thing preventing the carpenter trade from being completely over ran with hacks without violating someone's constitutional rights. A permit is a fraction of the cost of the price to hire someone who knows what they are doing to come back out and fix a hack job and I cant think of any time that a homeowner has been scammed out of money by a crook when they have pulled a permit

[@williamvanderven4672]

You inspect your lumber, you get an inspector to check your inspection then an inspector can check the inspection of the inspector of lumber that you inspected. And I can still go to the store and find stamped lumber that is useless so why do we have this system.

[@savageboner]

There's only one inspection of the lumber. Building inspectors are there to ensure the gorilla carpenters are built to code. Sure they glance at the stamp, but that's just a formality. It's not a useless system, but it does have its flaws. I'm a carpenter, my father is a carpenter, my uncle is a carpenter.

[@steveruggles8687]

Thanks for all your background research on the grading topic. I ran into the same problem in central CO in the mid 90's. $10,000 to do the schooling, which took several months at that time. Hundreds of dollars per month for the "license" to grade, plus the cost of each grade of stamps you had in possession. Then there was a percentage fee of all the lumber/ beam value that you grade, with stringent records keeping involved. Then, like you stated, there were random, unannounced checks on what and how well you were doing with your grading process. I actually did an interview with Sawmill and Woodlot magazine and was published in an early issue about all this. The end result that it was cheaper to just hire the guy to come grade your pile of materials a couple times a year, or buy lousy store bought lumber. With lumber costs what they are right now, the first option is now an affordable although inconvenient way to go. Here in rural MT we don't have building codes, except in city limits, and the inspectors are somewhat lenient, providing you're not trying to pull a fast one on them! Again, thanks for your great content. steve

[@garrettkajmowicz]

Who issues the "license"?

[@steveruggles8687]

@@garrettkajmowicz The Timber Products Inspection Bureau grants the license, which can be subject to revocation at any time if they think you're not doing a good job! Its all political I'm sure .!

[@scottlincoln9900]

This is to keep the poor, poor and the rich controlling us. Building post and timber is much stronger, cheaper, uses less material and is faster and more energy efficient. They wanted to tac on a hefty bill so they came up with these fuckin codes. Why do I need a inspection to live in my own shitty built house....its my shit. If I sell it, fine, understood...But just like seat belts. They can eat shit. If I wanna be stupid and kill myself they can piss off lol

[@coburnlowman]

Man , you really need to feed them hogs. They'll blow away in storm. One of your hogs would be enough lard for years😅

[@jamescole3152]

Move to a free county. A free county does not have permits or building inspectors. You couldn't get a permit even if you wanted one. The problem is they may be far away from any big cities, and the roads may not be real good. The reason there are so many homeless people is the cost of building. My neighbor spent 50,000 dollars just to get permits to build a house. They made him put sprinklers inside his house. The joys of communism and it is getting worse by the day.

[@__--JY-Moe--__]

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[@levyrogers6979]

I must say, it is a joy to see someone on the net that give a non biased opinion. While trying to give as much information from both sides of the coin. Thank you sir.

[@upwardbound5139]

Troy we used some rough sawn pine for a combination timber/stick frame structures. Our code official allowed us to use the un-graded wood as long as we obtained a structural engineer stamp on the construction drawings. The structural engineer had to provide connection details for all members and fasteners. In short, just as you said, it is best to have a working conversation with your code officer.

[@victormcox]

How'd you know I built my house out of sycamore!!!!!😜🤣

[@BF-rn3oz]

Thank you Troy for sharing your research! This is incredibly interesting!

[@HarrisonCountyStudio]

What a beautiful day to be in West Virginia! Spring is in the air.

[@Sailor376also]

The stamp is a notice of species and grade of lumber,, and the stamp grades the lumber as to modulus of elasticity, shear and bending. Every species has a range of strengths that are quantified to those numbers. You also will have some consideration as to propensity to rot, and or twist and deform when drying. What your stamp will mean is that you have personally guaranteed the structural appraisal and hence , application, of the finished lumber. You should be a corporation in case someone sues you. You may need an attorney on retainer. You stamp it. You guarantee it.

[@libertarian1637]

My cousin is having a house built in NY right now with rough cut lumber; no stamps, no kiln dried, and no issues. This house/dwelling has, do far, passed every inspection, including foundation, framing, roofing, and insulation. Minimum code is just that, minimum, I’ve never had an inspector do anything but compliment overbuilding when things are done better than minimum code. I’ve been installing whole home surge protectors on every new electrical service for well over a decade, NEC 2020 just made while home surge protectors required as minimum electrical code; going above and beyond isn’t an issue. To me minimum code is quite sub-par and not as good as most older construction, that has lasted.

[@kevinwirth4767]

It would be great if somebody would go to the trouble of finding out what the stamping laws are for each state and creating a matrix for us all to benefit from.

[@adrianalbritton8004]

You are asking some one to do your work and trust them with something you should do hopefully better

[@williamdavidson9009]

I understand the need for inspections of lumber, structure, plumbing and electrical. However I've also seen some pretty shoddy construction on buildings that were "inspected." I lived in a house that was built way before stamped lumber or inspections. The studs (anywhere from 12" to 2' apart) looked like someone had grabbed them from the slabwood pile and the floor joists were logs, rotten by the time I was there. I'm not saying that it was well constructed but it is still there after 150 years. Here in VT the state and town (no county government to speak of) do not have inspections for private buildings or licensing for carpenters and I do not see any houses collapsing

[@robertrobinson2649]

I'm from central WV also and all I can find in any of the big box stores, is lumber from Canada that is so badly handled that you could use it for rockers on rocking chairs and not have to shape it.

[@jamesthompson5722]

Actually building codes are fueled by national building associations, lumber manufactures ( Corporate Labor Unions). And yes life safety is promoted by fire departments.

[@__--JY-Moe--__]

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[@patglenn7762]

Many years ago I used to grade lumber in a mill. If I'm qualified to grade lumber there - and have that product shipped internationally, then I fail to see why I would be un-qualified to grade my own lumber made in a mill at home. Same stuff as far as I can see.

[@jameskringlee8974]

The template for reference is the New Hampshire Native Lumber Law - from the LIVE FREE OR DIE state - Introduction to RSA 434:59-61, the Grading and Certification or Stamping of Native Lumber Under this law, sawmills can self-certify softwood lumber they produce and sell directly to an end-user for use in a structure that requires, by building-code, the use of graded and stamped softwood lumber. Within a greater vision when enacted in all 50 of our United States, the best answer that I know of as one of the first steps toward a golden age of high quality low cost energy effecient homes and small community developement. When I spoke to the program person in New Hampshire years ago the sent me a nice packet of info. A good video for you and your viewers would be to get the New Hampshire program materials take the do it yourself course. See about ennacting the program in your state. It is a no brainer for a state with trees and small mills. They have been doing it for years, they most probably have it figured out by now. They were really trying to make it work for the small sawmill when I talked to them.

[@jimruby1348]

But you know and I know that that rough cut lumber is 90% sturdier than what you would buy from a big box store whether it be for a load-bearing wall or what it's more sturdier

[@CorMorse]

Town of Salina, Liverpool, NY (Central NY) My zoning code guy told me a few weeks back, I can use my own milled lumber only if my prints say its ok. I asked my architect what it would take to make that happen, and I'll quote "... how do you test and certify your personal milled lumber? I spec SPF #2 lumber with Fb 750/863 and E of 1100k . Something else can be specd, but we'll need to authenticate the values in order to comply with the building code." Not sure what the heck she means with that, but I'm just gonna go store bought for my home addition. I own 8 acres about a half hour north into the country, and that's where I'll utilize my mill other than trim boards.

[@PickingBluegrassMusic]

I believe codes and codebooks are a good thing. There is a codebook (API 1109) regarding weld inspection on pipelines being constructed or modified. The company that owns the pipeline does not want a junk product handed to them. And you probably do not want a pipeline blowing out near your place. Likewise, I do not believe that you would want your son or daughter to buy a house that did not at least meet the code minimums (standards). In the community that I grew up in on a lake, many of the old cottages were basically built yesteryear (ie 1930) from shipping crates. So they have the old plumbing, old sewer system, old insulation (if any), and cruddy old wiring. Most of these are wrecks with plastic siding over the surface of them. My father had 4 or5 sawmills when us kids grew up. So I do see the value of rough sawn lumber, planed or not in home construction.

[@traceyosterlind14]

Hey Troy, thanks for researching this topic. I'm never going to build a house; I still find it interesting.

[@AM-jw1lo]

As with all counerfieting, depends on the scale. If you are selling (making a buisness of it), your scale is beyond what i think your viewers are talking about. If you are building your own structure and you have done a good job curing the wood. With the inspection's you say are fairly lax. When would they catch you? That is of course you finished the lumber to the standards that you find at a store.

[@toats-mcgoats1833]

Do you know if there are inspectors that will come inspect your sawmill wood for structural approval?

[@MountainRoots]

Howdy! Just found your channel & subbed. Must be across the state line from you over in the western highlands of VA. We used to run multiple woodmizer band mills, & this is definitely an interesting topic you're discussing! -Josh

[@JoeKyser]

I like getting my wood stamped

[@kenabi]

Oregon permits sawn lumber if inspected and graded appropriately (no. 2) for the task, per oregon building code. Must also be same species in a given installation so as to not give load bearing differences.

[@tomswink819]

If ya saw ya own lumber they ought to give u a break.since we saw ACTUAL DIMENSION lumber!!!

[@eprofessio]

Lumber is literally rotting on the racks at my local big box store. The price has come down sharply as of July 8, 2021.

[@NUMENOREAN91]

As a carpenter and roofer with near 10 years experience. I'll say grading a piece of lumber is not rocket science. You should be able to take a class get a stamp without a need for an expensive subscription. Maybe have to renew it every so many years. Everything is set up for big business. Our gov. doesnt serve the common man.

[@mickle700]

Thank you , Troy! Decided to go a legal way , following your suggestions. If I’ll start to produce I-joists where can I pass the inspection?Any contacts or names of organizations? Bless ya

[@lssl5653]

Did George Washington, ben franklin Need inspections on there lumber

[@__--JY-Moe--__]

but the governor of NY knows best?

[@thecelticforge]

Did you ever get around to the video concerning log cabins and timber framing. Long story short, I want to put up some log structures for our museum. Hewn from our own Virginia pine. The our local building inspector insists on having it all graded. Trouble is, after 5 months of searching I finally found some one that could do it but the total cost would be over 8K. That is unacceptable and un American!

[@danielbradshaw2987]

I wanted to build a log cabin on the block I own, I wanted to mill three flat sides (with a routered lock in system at the top and bottom of the log) and have one rough side to face outside, the logs where going to be 300mm (12in) in diameter and was told because they wouldn't be graded I wasn't allowed so I was told to build it out of 90x35 and mill the boards for the front. So according to my local government it's safer to use 1/10th of the timber in our house construction because it has a stamp on it. It makes absolutely no sense what so ever.

[@jeremyduncan5166]

Why not sell all of that beautiful high end lumber to a cabinet or furniture maker shop instead of building a structure with it? At $5 a board foot, every board foot you sell could buy a stamped 2x4. With 8 bd ft in a board you would spend less time milling lumber and probably have money left over from selling the lumber to buy other building materials such as plumbing, electrical, etc.

[@metricdeep8856]

The stamp is an approval to make money...not an assurance of any kind. Most who question the "authority" of inspectors do so because they already know more than the inspector (it's usually pretty obvious). Nothing wrong with being real about what you are building and what you are building it for. Smart people research the best ways to prevent loss or accident to their investment.....those who meet the minimum are the risk takers....and the largest burden to insurance companies.

[@dc-wp8oc]

Does anyone believe that the presence of a "stamp" on a piece of lumber, changes its integrity or structural capability? The structural capability of common lumber species used in construction has been documented for ages. Stamped lumber is just another way that the lumber industry, in bed with corrupt government, control building materials availability and pricing. (Grading for appearance is another matter entirely and is also subjective and has nothing to do with structural capability). Is each piece of dimensional lumber sold, tested for structural limitations? No. The most important piece of information to the end user is knowing the species since that determines the overarching structural characteristics. Stamping requirements are a scam, pure and simple. The whole system is designed by those who control pricing, certifications, licensing, inspection fees, and on and on. Whenever one hears "It's for your safety and well fare" your BS detectors should be going off. If construction is destined for habitation, then the only inspections required should be in the application and techniques of said materials as building progresses.

[@91fox35]

Basically what you saying is I can build something I know for a fact will be stable? I should ask the state for permission????

[@gordiesullivan3289]

I’m from Canada,we have the same concerns and lumber restrictions.it all boils down to government control.

[@workinonitsteve]

Great information.

[@panykfelidae9018]

I appreciate the balance between 'follow the rules, they make you not die' and 'but you don't have to pay through the nose to do it and pay the wacky shit'

[@DSiren]

The rules exist for good reason, but the implementation is bureaucratic as hell.

[@panykfelidae9018]

@@DSiren that's about right, I think. Gotta codify "don't be an idiot when you're building something that people are going to live under" but hell, I wish it were easier to get them to sign off that you haven't been...

[@alanvaleandthelazyfarmer1930]

I had to get an owner builder's licence to build my kit home and it had to be my primary dwelling for 6 years. That opens up another area to consider. I also had to produce documented evidence of my building skills. (Western Australia) kzbin.info/www/bejne/rmOrgqWDeZVlrbM

[@timcisneros1351]

I'm building a Timber Frame from Lumber I milled myself. My Structural Engineer is allowed to grade my lumber. Coconino county

[@wjf0ne]

Most legislation is for a legislators brother in law to make money from.

[@chrisbrowne4669]

A liscensed structural engineer can inspect the lumber in place in a structure. His stamp overrides the lumber company chokehold.

[@jameswills117]

Informative, really for anyone using a sawmill.

[@waynehanson3764]

I understand, to some degree, the need to be educated on the inspection process regarding structural lumber. But the fact that the cost to obtain and (specifically) Maintain that ability tells you what that is Really all about

[@TechnicallyDane]

Most states building code are law. Most state building codes reference the ICC which is a private not for profit. The building codes are a copyrighted property of a non government entity that have have to follow by law. The content of which is not free to share. You can be sued if you share the content of the building code. If you don't follow the building code you can have your property taken and destroyed by the state.

[@kaylaevan102]

I tried using my trees and couldn’t get it to pass here in Pickens County Ga , Didnt have my mill then may try again with my mill my trees and my building.

[@LogicalNiko]

You can inspect and stamp anything of yours you want. Your inspection means nothing to authorities. If you are building structural parts of a dwelling, it must be inspected, permitted, and use qualified materials based on code. You can choose not to, which may be illegal in your area. If you do you assume liability for the structure, if you attempt to sell it you must disclose it may not meet structural standards. Those permits and inspections are qualifiers for insurance and deeds. Knowingly failing to disclose risk both nullifies any of those contracts, and is legally fraud. If any incident or problems arise from this (to the public, individuals, etc) that is also your liability. Not knowing about responsibilities, risk, and liabilities does not excuse you from them and thus still entering any agreement with those existing is also a form of fraud.

[@dannytravis7118]

How can you find out what types of lumber you can use for structured building. Pine is predominant but what about cedar or beech

[@Kaze_Horosha]

Faking someone else's stamp that carries legal weight is actually a much higher crime than trademark violation. It's fraud, and then some.

[@briankelly7738]

You can actually get certified here in TN to legally inspect your own lumber. It is not rocket science to look at lumber and know if it is sub standard. You can buy a moisture content meter and you can also dry your wood in a sun powered kiln. These regulations are to kill the little guy and inflate lumber prices. Big government sucks.

[@edstimator1]

If you call the authoritative body and pay a fee, you too can become a certified lumber mill and legally stamp your own lumber for sale as structural lumber. It was not a big deal. Any idiot could do it. I know this beacause I did it. The whole process took less than a month. The training took 3 hrs. onsite. It cost a few hundred bucks a month. Don't be put off. it wasn't a big deal. I was a very small mill. A lucas mill and a couple band mills. Not all running at the same time.

[@brucebannerman6848]

Why not hire licensed grader who has a stamp with an official number on it, that's what the mid sized mills do?

[@chashandsome2021]

wasn't that what this vid was about ? if not the previous one is

[@wonderfultigger6620]

4:34 "I wish we had smell-o-vision on youtube" after coming here from the Angry Cops channel on renovating a hoarders crack house I'll have to pass

[@chashandsome2021]

haahahahah yea

[@tetsuoswrath]

You could probably sell a shirt that says "Sexy for woodworking." :{

[@johnstewart9253]

Hello, I'm from the government, and I'm here to help you!!!!!!!!

[@ejonesss]

can you circumvent the trademark by making similar but not exact logo. the stamp you showed us was a pentagon house shape with hard sharp corners. what if you used rounded corners like the best western logo or a school crossing sign or even a county road sign intertropolisandrouteville.fandom.com/wiki/County_Road?file=Single_digit_county_sign.png you may need to copy and paste due to anti hotlinking code on web sites and example of this can be found in thew movie "theres nothing out there" where the video store used the mountain peak of paramount pictures but was called pierimount video. and maybe a mash of other names and then register your stamp so it is not a trademark violation. you could also find a design that is no longer being used where the company may not care for example if you want to use schwans frozen foods logo you could probably use the original logo witch the s is an actual swan and the chwans is just in a fancy font. however the 2 newer logos are in active use.

[@vennic]

INSPECDED LUMBAR. Just insert some well placed spelling mistakes in small print and you're good on TM violation

[@markrobinson5774]

So if you're building with logs then it's no problem right cut it take the bark off but that Solution on it did do the notches everything's fine and dandy right?

[@dr.who2]

Depends in New your where you live in the state and whst your building to if it's a barn cabin pole barn stuff like that sheds ext you can build it with sawmill board s per say

[@marydaley7862]

Thank you for just providing some of the info we are needing, while planning a barn/guest house built from our own white pine .

[@Hobbietone]

Can we please stop shining light on “drive by” inspections and such. The inspectors in my county/state are very thorough in their inspections. 😉

[@paulschaefer5241]

You made a comment in here about inspections and building code and how they were originally done for safety. While I agree that the need for safety was the inspiration for at least most of them, there are still some codes that don't make sense to me.l

[@Brandon-rc9vp]

The regulations require structural lumber to meet certain requirements, the current organization of the for profit regulator appears to be set up to discourage others from competing. What we need is to establish and qualify a method for inspecting and providing for all required safety assurances at a community level for people building structures from wood on their own properties. There is nothing magic about what the inspectors do.

[@ridinrancher9443]

Bacon! 😂 are those wild or domestic? Outside of being distracted great information.

[@alphaomega6805]

He looks like Adam Sandler to me in the beginning of this video 🤷‍♀️

[@danielschneider1504]

Yknow, having seen some of the dodgy stuff that gets done by builders working on spec, I'm actually quite comfortable with the whole inspection question, and was pretty dismissive of the ' it's a way for politicians to line their pockets and protect big industry' arguments, but after hearing what's involved in being certified as an inspector, I now think there's something to those arguments. It really bugs me, as I do believe there's a need for inspections, as a safety/consumer protection thing, but the way it's being used as an apparent money-spinner makes people want to get rid of the whole process. The paranoid conspiracist in me suspects that may be at least part of the point of it, but...

[@cliffordcooley1273]

The biggest problem is not the integrity of the lumber. It is the way carpenters put it all together.

[@ryanforrider3873]

Good video sir. I'm a sawyer and work at a commercial sawmill in Marysville Ohio and we mainly saw hardwoods. We run a frick circle mill and do saw some soft woods for barns but what they do with it is on them. I've spoke with my boss about grading lumber and it's not worth the price and time but we know and the customer knows if it's clear and prime material but structural is on a different scale. You know its structurally sound after learning your species and how trees grow but you just cant stamp it. Thanks again for the information on this. If ya get a chance we have a few videos we've recently posted here on KZbin Kreis lumber, check them out ~Ryan

[@LyonsArcade]

There may be an exception for restoring old buildings, because it says they can be repaired in the way they were originally constructed. The idea being you're basically putting them back how they originally were, so if you have a rotted beam you can replace it with a new beam made like the original (and not inspected). This is important since old structures were often built with dimensional lumber that were true sizes and no longer available at big box stores.

[@CheZfrmdaWestWisc]

depending on where you live some require all new work comply with code example you build an addition that addition has to meet current code.

[@tomswink819]

Va. Says u dont have to have stamped lumber if the wood come from your property?

[@davej7458]

When you receive Lumber you need to check it yourself as you use it. Typically there will be some Lumber that doesn't meet the inspection standard as marked. It's hard for a inspector to be fast and completely accurate. Set those boards aside and use them for things that need to be cut. Cut around the defects. You also will get some boards that are marked Select Structural and other boards that are just much better quality set them aside for places that you need that quality. A big problem is lumber that is stamped common when you need 2 and better. Some dealers substitute the lower grade Lumber in spite of what you actually order. You get a framing inspection and fail because the grade is wrong and your building inspector never trusts you again.

[@henryachey1441]

In the south the stamp is SPIB which stands for southern pine inspection breau, the inspections are for you and anyone who may buy it, also an insurance company will and can sue for fraud. Also build by the southern building code.

[@jimlong527]

Open minded and understanding is good way to look at it.

[@biguncle554]

If you get caught just burn the lumber so there’s no evidence haha

[@TAPriceCTR]

Im ignorant here... why is sycamore doomed to fail?

[@jamesniemann7159]

This was a topic i had not thought about i thank you for the information

[@haroldbevins393]

Thanks Troy for information that I had not completely realized before. I know about the inspections of lumber, but never thought about most of the projects most people take on and the type of lumber used. Of course I know Big Brother is there to protect the "Neighborhood" from someone trying to build a Scrap Wood type house, but never considered the Inspection before, (of course never milled any lumber before either). I watch and learn, so you and your family are providing some schooling for an old, old(too old to mill lumber anyway)man...

[@markmckinley5989]

I had thought the inspection process was automated where each piece of lumber was run through and deflection under load was measured. Better stuff was pulled for use in trusses. Lessor boards marked for generic stud grade. Seems like could be cost prohibitive for smaller mills. Not sure how one could use visual inspection for such a test.

[@chuckbailey6835]

well having a sawmill i read up on it i don't remember all the particulars it was 15+yrs ago it was kind of like different formulas so many knots at a certain size , the location of the knots factored in, 1 knot of a certain size or larger automatically downgraded it. There were quite a few things that factored into it

[@snaker9er]

Perun is the Slavic god of thunder equivalent to Thor

[@terrycarl8923]

I'm curious to know why not use sycamore?