Cymbal felt is clever, I'll try by end of this week 👍
@jonathanwong458musicАй бұрын
It worked on mine and I’ve heard from a few viewers that it worked on their Hofs too. And they’re inexpensive. Can also experiment with placement. I now have mine gently under the tailpiece. I was touching the original placement while palm muting. Best of luck!
@drutgat2Ай бұрын
That was very interesting. Thanks very much.
@jonathanwong458musicАй бұрын
Thanks so much for watching!
@drutgat2Ай бұрын
@@jonathanwong458music My pleasure.
@Asmuk2 ай бұрын
One of the most interesting videos I watched lately. Thank you so much. As time passes by, I find more interests in common. I'm considering now venturing into the world of semi-hollow basses, and I'm glad to find so much quality content here as usual.
@jonathanwong458music2 ай бұрын
Thanks so much for your viewership! I have more semi hollow content in the works. Stay tuned!
@guitfidle5 ай бұрын
nice demonstration, I can't believe how much that changed when you pulled the washer out. I use those exact strings on my Beatle bass copy I built from a kit, and have not had any issues.
@jonathanwong458music5 ай бұрын
Thanks so much for watching! Wolf tones are a strange thing.....and seems to vary greatly even between instruments of the same design and construction! On my cello, temperature and humidity changes can affect how pronounced the wolf is! I think the wolf is more a product of the instrument itself and less so the string, but sometimes, changing the gauge and brand of strings can radically alter whether the wolf is present or not. It's science that's way beyond my skill set!
@guitfidle5 ай бұрын
@@jonathanwong458music now I want to play around with my cello to see if that happens. Mine pretty much just lives in my music room and doesn't get played much... As a part time luthier, laminating a couple strips of wood, even from the same board, can mostly eliminate dead spots. Most guitars and basses I've built have a 3 piece neck, with grain running in opposite directions on each side. This also helps with stability.... I almost hate to say it out loud, but I've never had a neck warp or twist.
@jonathanwong458music5 ай бұрын
Yeah! I’m surprised that in the past 100 years, no one credible has tried to improve the design of the cellos. Still using strad forma B measurements. Maybe it can’t be improved upon? But maybe small strategic laminates will work? I have no idea, but wouldn’t it be great if we unlocked it?
@marcofioravanti417610 ай бұрын
Thank you very much! 👍 Just sticking a "slice" of bassdrum beater felt under the tailpiece worked for me.
@jonathanwong458music10 ай бұрын
Did it work?! Awesome! I’ve since moved the cymbal felt under the tail piece too! It got in the way of palm muting, where I initially had it. Thanks for watching!
@davetuttle97019 ай бұрын
I just picked up a Club HCT and I have a wolf tone on the A flat on the E string 4th fret. I remembered watching this video and now referenced it. THANK YOU AGAIN!
@jonathanwong458music9 ай бұрын
Right on! I think it’s something in the nature of the design and construction. Thanks for watching!
@davetuttle97019 ай бұрын
@@jonathanwong458music STAY WARM, SAFE, AND HEALTHY SIR!
@jonathanwong458music9 ай бұрын
Happy new year!
@davetuttle97019 ай бұрын
@@jonathanwong458music Happy New Year 🎊
@chriscleverley43204 ай бұрын
I had this exact issue on my solid bodied Fender Aerodyne Jazz bass. It drove me crazy and I ended up losing confidence in the instrument. This led me to switch to an Ibanez Artcore hollow bodied bass (which has been fantastic and has given me many years of service). Ultimately I put heavier gauge strings on the Fender and tuned down a semitone. This eliminated the beating tones. Thanks to your video I have learnt about Wolf Notes. Wow. Thanks so much - I hope to get my Fender Jazz back to concert pitch and out live again.
@jonathanwong458music4 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching! I hope you can get your Fender back up and running to your liking!
@jdanielcramer11 ай бұрын
This is great info, my vintage, unbinded Hofner Verithin has similar dead spots and I never thought to look to these types of body resonances 👍
@Poodleoop11 ай бұрын
Hofner bass is a super dookie sound especially through a vintage fender amp at louder volume and under the influence of lots of tequila 🤡
@jonathanwong458music11 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching and commenting! Hope you find a solution for your Hofner!
@jonathanwong458music11 ай бұрын
hahahaha...tequila does have an EQ'ing effect doesn't it:)
@jdanielcramer11 ай бұрын
@@jonathanwong458music hahaha that’s my twin brother, Will, who has a matching Verithin guitar, recounting many an 80’s gig we played…🤣🤣🤣🤣
@jonathanwong458music11 ай бұрын
@@jdanielcramer that's AWESOME!
@SimPlee-s9b2 ай бұрын
What a gent. tip up front. Good man
@jonathanwong458music2 ай бұрын
Hope it ended up being helpful. Thanks for watching!
@alanhyt794 ай бұрын
I'm a beginning bass player and am trying to learn all that I can about it. I have a Fender mod shop PJ bass, and I like its strong sound. Just bought a Hofner Ignition violin bass and it's at my luthier's getting set up properly. My Beatles Bass strings, the ones you showed, have arrived. Think I'll order a cymbal felt now! I haven't played the Hofner yet, but from what you've shown me, I am likely to have wolf tones and will need the felt to correct it. I sure did notice the difference when you demonstrated the before and after. And I had never heard of this phenomenon before watching this video. Thank you!!!
@jonathanwong458music4 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching! Not all Hofners have dead spots, but many do unfortunately. Something in the design and dimensions makes it vulnerable. Mine was ok with other strings, but intolerable with the Labellas. It’s a weird phenomenon! Hope you enjoy the new Hofner!!
@alanhyt794 ай бұрын
@@jonathanwong458music I figured since I bought the exact same strings there would be a strong likelihood that mine would experience the same thing.
@jonathanwong458music4 ай бұрын
Good thinking! I used the thicker felt size and sliced it in half. The thinner size is too thin to fit. Good luck
@alanhyt794 ай бұрын
@@jonathanwong458music Thanks! I had to subscribe. I played cello for a year back in the 70s. It's cool to know you play cello. My main instrument was saxophone, alto and bari, which I played for years until my house was burglarized and they were stolen. Decided to take up bass guitar because it's my favorite part in rock songs, even a high priced bass is cheaper than a decent sax, and I need to practice in relative silence due to thin walls. The Vox Amplug is one amazing and extremely useful piece of equipment! It's my favorite accessory.
@jonathanwong458music4 ай бұрын
Thanks so much for your support! Should you be interested in some of my instrumental work including cello, here’s my page: jonathanwong.bandcamp.com
@Phillip-y6dАй бұрын
Inneresting stuff here 👍 I've notice dead spots too and intonation is almost a fool's errand - get it close tho and dial in your goto riffs and these Hofner boogers tune in great for the mix.
@jonathanwong458musicАй бұрын
Right on! Thanks for watching! Hofners certainly have their ‘thing’!
@StevenDoyleLuke Жыл бұрын
Great Info!
@jonathanwong458music Жыл бұрын
Thanks! I genuinely hope this will help other Hofner players!
@neoki-rn Жыл бұрын
Such an informative and clever video. Do you think the wolf notes would disappear if you switched back to your old strings or even some roundwounds?
@jonathanwong458music Жыл бұрын
That’s a great question! My guess is that with TIs, the wolf tones would go away again. But, I’m not actually confident I could get the TI low E actually back on…. The club came stock with Hofner branded roundwounds , but for me, didn’t really capture the Hofner vibe, so I didn’t spend very much time with them. Thanks so much for watching and commenting!
@MrDanalaimo Жыл бұрын
More new knowledge! I have the Club and other hollows. Now, I've got to find a better way of saving and filing these vids for future reference. The cymbal felt is easy to source, and I have the fat finger device I bought for guitar, but please save lazy me some effort and tell me what and where to get the muting felt. You are my short-scale guru. Thanks, as always.
@jonathanwong458music Жыл бұрын
Hi! Thanks for watching! Re: the muting felt I put under the strings. Nothing fancy! I cut them from various packing foam that come with packages. I cut the one in the video to be the same size as the bridge pickup shell so it looks a little classier. The trick (if you can call it that) is finding a piece that's not too thick but still fits snugly under the strings. If it's too thick, it pushes up the strings too much and alters the intonation and also makes it too dead. Please let me know if the cymbal felt trick works on your instruments.
@MrDanalaimo Жыл бұрын
@jonathanwong458music It's not a problem right now, but as a LaBella fan, I can see it in the future
@jonathanwong458music Жыл бұрын
It is really weird how different strings can make a difference (all else being constant)! Good luck!
@ShrimpsTonic10 ай бұрын
Thanks a lot! I just got my hands on a Hofner CT Verythin and it's a gorgeous bass, but it has the classic Hofner-dead spot, which to me is super annoying. Been thinking about returning it, but first I have to try this hack. Really didn't expect there to be such a simple fix.
@jonathanwong458music10 ай бұрын
I hope it works for you! It’s an audible improvement on my club bass. I’ve since moved the cymbal felt under the tail piece as it was getting in the way of picking and palm muting. Still works!
@davetuttle9701 Жыл бұрын
Thank you sir!
@jonathanwong458music Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching and commenting!
@davemccrea1300 Жыл бұрын
Nice video. Good detective work and worth trying on other basses. My experience with Labella flats has not been good. In fact I think they are the worst flats I've tried. Poor tone, very stiff and uneven. Yes I know James Jamerson used LaBella - but he would sound like a genius on a washtub bass. Your positive experience with the Thomastik flats makes the point about string quality.
@jonathanwong458music Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching and commenting! 100% I prefer TIs on most of my basses. If I wasn’t quite so fretful that the low E would pop out of the tiny-holed tuner on my Hofner, the TIs would have stayed on!!
@Redbeard43213 ай бұрын
Crimping a string before you cut off the excess. One of those things that should be common knowledge but for some reason it’s like an esoteric secret. If we ever met, we would be friends.
@jonathanwong458music3 ай бұрын
Right on! Appreciate the virtual friendship. Thanks for watching!
@willistaylor4077 Жыл бұрын
Very interesting. 👍❤️
@jonathanwong458music Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching. I hope it works for other people!
@WannaBeatle-Paul_McMichael5 ай бұрын
Are you sure it wasn't just the LaBella strings made the neck bow a little bit? The difference in tension between the two strings is pretty big. So, the most logical thing is that the neck got slightly bowed and loosening or tightening the truss rod should have done the trick.
@jonathanwong458music5 ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing your hypothesis! I wish it were as simple as a setup issue. I am pretty particular when it comes to setups and intonation. After installing the Labellas, the first thing I did was a complete setup overhaul. Neck relief, string height, bridge height, position and intonation (as much as a Hofner floating bridge will allow you to intonate) and pickup heights were optimized for these strings. And you're right - there is a massive tension difference! Unfortunately, despite a good setup, the new dead spots did not disappear. I have since heard from a few different Hofner players who tried the cymbal felt hack (or something similar) with positive results. Having said that, every instrument is different and I can see scenarios where poor setups would result in wonky spots and poor tone. Thanks for watching and commenting!
@mr.k905Ай бұрын
Usually the open low E string sounds weaker on Höfner basses. I'm surprised that you didn't (also) have this problem ... or did you?
@jonathanwong458musicАй бұрын
In general, the tonality of the low E string is a bit different on most short scales. A little less defined, and depending on the bass, a little more phasey and chorusy. Some are worse than others. My Hofner was on the better end. I’ve had both Thomastiks and Labella flats on. No dead spots with the TIs, but an intolerable one on the low E with the Labellas, unfortunately. Thanks for watching!
@zackstewart41098 ай бұрын
Good video, legit technique, but for some context it is important to know that compared to a modern company like D'Addario or TI, Labella DOES have a lot of quality control issues, and dead spots/dead strings are not uncommon. Also, proper brass wolf tamers are available for bass. Damping the resonance of the top is not an ideal solution, and if you A/B the non-wolf notes he plays before and after, you can hear why.
@jonathanwong458music8 ай бұрын
Thanks for the feedback and for watching!
@brucedelaney960610 ай бұрын
I use a triangle made out of auralex sound panels on my Ibanez SRH500. Sounds like Motown and no resonant frequencies
@jonathanwong458music10 ай бұрын
Cool! Thanks for watching!
@teukurizkynoer80337 ай бұрын
I have that issue on 34 scale fender bass...the tone is warbling on 5th fret E string...did you know how to fix that issue on standard scale bass...
@jonathanwong458music7 ай бұрын
The more typical fender dead spots tend to be on the G string. Your frets are seated properly and the neck is bolted tightly? I’m afraid I’m not sure without looking at it. Have you tried a fat finger?
@teukurizkynoer80337 ай бұрын
@@jonathanwong458music I never use fat finger... I will take my bass to the nearest technician to check the neck joint...thank you for helping...
@jonathanwong458music7 ай бұрын
Best of luck to you! Thanks for watching!
@davetuttle9701 Жыл бұрын
What didn't you like about the TI flats
@jonathanwong458music Жыл бұрын
I love TI flats on my other instruments but it was pain to get them onto the Hofner. The tuner hole is too small for the low E string, so it was always precarious at best. But it sounded good. I have videos with the Club strung up with the TIs. They were also a bit soft and loosey goosey on the club. But the primary reason for the string change was how confident (or not) I was with the E string staying on the tuner.
D string E turned to 8 cents sharp is a perfect match for the dead on E string. I call it roundabout intonation 🤣
@jonathanwong458musicАй бұрын
Interesting! Thanks for sharing!
@Phillip-y6dАй бұрын
@@jonathanwong458music yep, I custom tune strings on a lot of different 6 strings...especially lap steel open tunings fwiw it has been said that no stringed instrument can be perfectly 'in tune ' (mathematically) or something. On bass - it's a huge jump from one string to another. And wayyy too expensive to be comparing strings. Great Video, Jonathon 💕
@jonathanwong458musicАй бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@TheBassfresh9 ай бұрын
Nice! I fixed mine by putting a bit of felt between the bridge and TP across all strings, same thing I'd use in front of the bridge to mute the notes. This is for Jonathan btw, not to piggyback on his video. kzbin.info/www/bejne/rZiWnJasfq51l8U
@jonathanwong458music9 ай бұрын
Cool, man! Thanks for watching!
@brucedelaney960610 ай бұрын
Get it PLEKED everything will improve after that
@jonathanwong458music10 ай бұрын
Plek is such a great invention. Had a lakland that was plek’d! Played great
@nigollllll3 ай бұрын
Pyramids
@jonathanwong458music3 ай бұрын
Good suggestion for strings! I’ve heard mixed reactions on whether dead spots remain or go away. You’ve had a good experience?
@susetyoediprabowo36819 ай бұрын
All i hear is you talking
@jonathanwong458music9 ай бұрын
I'm sorry, there was a lot of background info to get through. Playing examples of the dead spot/wolf tone are found at 03:02, 05:53 and after application of the cymbal felt, at 12:06. There are time stamps for these. Did you have a specific question or concern?
@susetyoediprabowo36819 ай бұрын
I just trying to find the sound that you are presenting... I dont like wearing earplug.. Because the volume may vary.. Varying between low sound and then sudennly high note coming and hit my ear.. May be you can isolated the sound you are talking... Record it and play it in the higher volume... So me and may be other person interested catch the sound easier... Thanks
@jonathanwong458music9 ай бұрын
Fair. Thanks for clarifying.
@stephenstrings7 ай бұрын
Exactly what you would expect from a flimsy badly designed instrument. My fifty years as a manufacturing Luthier and repair technician has engendered a justified loathing of Hofner design deficiencies.
@jonathanwong458music7 ай бұрын
Great to hear from a luthier! What do you build and craft? Any suggestions (aside from ditching the Hofner design)?
@wherzmaslipperz31116 ай бұрын
Hi Are you referring to Hofner in general, or just entry level guitars from China?