Reed and Spieth receive ruling in match with Day and Oosthuizen

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During their Day 3 Four-ball match in the 2017 Presidents Cup, Jordan Spieth and Patrick Reed conceded the 12th hole due to a rules violation when Spieth picked up Louis Oosthuizen's ball before it stopped rolling.
The Presidents Cup, a team match play competition featuring 12 golfers from the United States and 12 from around the world, excluding Europe - is held every two years. In 2017, the event takes place at Liberty National Golf Course in Jersey City, NJ with Steve Stricker serving as the U.S. team captain and Nick Price returning to captain the Internationals for a third time. In 2015, the U.S. Team clinched the winning point on the final hole to retain the Cup, 15.5 to 14.5.
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[@jaminfinlaw9842]

The classiest thing ever is that the International team offered to concede the hole on the very next tee. US refused but still that was a class act.

[@LarsUlrichIsMe]

they should be able to concede the original hole that they should have already lost. If the opponent isnt complaining then there should be no need for the penalty.

[@orangutanorangutan8007]

Golf rules are stupid. I saw this spark of a conversation, assumed that’s what it was and now am glad to see that’s what happened. Class Act Men.

[@hectorblack6516]

Not at all. International team should have just conceded the following hole.

[@stephenfgdl]

They did that? I didin't know

[@GaryM67-71]

@@LarsUlrichIsMe You espouse the cheaters doctrine. Fool.

[@coachcashmoney]

Tiger is like the MLB manager coming out of the dugout!

[@patrickwall8517]

I believe he may have been the captain that year.

[@forestmonstre6322]

I was hoping Tiger would come out like Mets manager Terry Collins when he said to Umpire Tom Hallion, "you gotta give us a shot!"

[@austinsteed1581]

"They're saying technically his ball could have come back up the hill and went in" hahahaha

[@95bochamp]

There is zero tolerance, as it should be. You just don't touch a ball that's in motion. Period.

[@johnpierson2737]

John Johansen The drunkards were pissing off Jordan so he stopped the ball knowing the hole was already lost. It is match play and it's not like a stroke penalty would really matter. Unless you're being threatened with disqualification.

[@drewstudz7249]

@@95bochamp bet you've never broke 100 through 18 lmao

[@seanscanlon9067]

@@drewstudz7249 And that's relevant to the situation here because.....?

[@drewstudz7249]

@@seanscanlon9067 only a guy with little to no experience in golf (or just an oldhead) would say something like that

[@maxmish]

Official: “So I think that disqualifies him from the hole” Jordan: “Can you phrase that just a little differently” LOL

[@blendtecrocks08]

Does have a point though haha

[@johnnybgood7442]

After talking to Tiger like that, the official was never seen or heard from again.

[@mikkeliversen6127]

Brandon Myers John paramor is a legend and they Never die

[@calebreasons]

Yeah no, John is King.

[@colingillbanks4022]

@@mikkeliversen6127 I think it was Andy McFee, but the same rules apply in that case also. 😁

[@mikkeliversen6127]

Colin gillbanks 🤫

[@timlee8098]

Brandon Myers right ?🤣😂

[@jimbob1427]

There should be a common sense rule that overrides all other rules in golf.

[@forestmonstre6322]

For stroke play you couldn't have something like that because common sense would get dicey depending on the rules official a group has. However, in match play 100% a player or team should be able to do something like that, where they can choose to ignore a ruling.

[@Mitjitsu]

There is a common sense rule in the book. It goes something like if the players nor officials can determine what the rule is then they must do what best seems most fair. This is because the rulebook cannot cover all eventualities.

[@Jammin6796]

there is a common sense rule in golf already.. its called dont break them..

[@simonshotter8960]

Common sense suggests following the rules... it’s the most ‘sensible’ thing to do

[@slewofdamascus]

You know nothing! NOTHING!!!

[@jonc3295]

Rule has changed in 2019. No penalty now if an opponent stops the ball when it has no chance of returning back to the hole.

[@AjaniJohnson]

They had to bring in the BIG CAT

[@realityrealized8370]

Just let them play geez if the opposing team isn't arguing just letting it go then why do all this....

[@robinx6138]

It shouldn't be up to the opposing team. They can either let it go and lose an opportunity or take it and be the "bad Guys"

[@nellAyaR2034]

Because the golf purists will have a fit 🙄 What? That was against the rules? Ah then it's most certainly the electric chair for you mr Speith!

[@simplysimple7628]

What ever happened to etiquette?! Rules are rules i get it, but that type of situation it’s an etiquette thing. No one is complaining just play on you jerk. Big chubby guy is probably a “by the book” type of marshal and not a good sportsman/etiquette guy. His buddies don’t even call him to play no more because he stops play just to say you can’t do this do that, it’s the rules guys!!!!🤦🏽‍♂️

[@ucantseemeverywell]

integrity?

[@ericjamesphotography]

Common sense for all you morons arguing in favor of the rule. I bet you believe in following every law of your government also😂

[@Octobers1086Own]

Looking back at this a few years later... I love Jason and Louis' reaction to this. Just like, "What are we doing getting a ruling, this is golf..." Glad they changed the rule and added some common sense. Acting like a ball would roll back up a hill is classic rules official BS.

[@korky122]

it was awesome to watch this in person. everyone was so fired up watching tiger walk to the green lol. then jordan at the end there.

[@chandlergann2825]

1:36 Patrick Reed says thats f*cking bullsh*t lol

[@bena9713]

pretty sure it's "oh my gad"

[@norrispg6085]

that has happened so many times in match play through the years...good that an exception to rule 11 was created for '19

[@tylervining1602]

Did this man really try to shut Tiger Woods up?

[@jimknapp8731]

No, he attempted to complete his conversation with the player involved and with the official staff he was on the radio with. Mr Woods is the person who attempted to interrupt the discussion that was underway.

[@OJ_Pimpson]

Jim Knapp shut up Jim

[@thomasmckenzie4584]

If this was a regular stroke play tournament, then Spieth absolutely broke the rules. But in match play, if the other team agrees that Spieth and Reed win the hole, the rules official needs to get the hell out of the way. Golf has embarrassed itself with terrible rules way too much in the last few years. This was just another case.

[@austinholler8094]

“The ball could have come back up the hill” score another one for physics lmao

[@mbuckholz]

"Can you phrase that just a little differently" lolll

[@jeffsmith8958]

Jason and Louis were not pleased to win a hole this way and this is another example of why intent has been added to the rule book ...

[@jeffsmith8958]

But seeing eldrick walk up was worth the whole thing

[@brembe01]

I'm not sure that's a true statement, according to the rules they could've replayed the stroke from the original location without penalty or accept the penalty.

[@rafaeldelavara1547]

He just brushed off tiger dammmm he is going into the like a boss videos dammmmm

[@blixology]

I swear golf and tennis have such strict rules...

[@sehrentamilselvam309]

Absolutely ridiculous rule

[@ramisramis7833]

Sehren Tamilselvam agreed the hole was over how the fuck does it have any impact??!! Strange one

[@95bochamp]

Not really. A player cannot touch a ball while it's in motion. Period. Othewise, there would be all kinds of bullshit going on. I admire Spieth's intent, but that does not justify what he did.

[@Legodude552]

John Johansen Technicalities and formalities over common sense right? They made that rule because of situations like these right? You are really smart.

[@95bochamp]

Thank you. I am really smart. And, I understand the Rules of Golf, as well as the rationale behind them. They made the rule to cover all situations rather than a series of separate rules to cover specific exceptions. This way, there is no judgment about whether a given situation is an exception. Either the ball is in motion or it is not. There is no consideration about whether 'the hole is over' or anything else. Then, the rule is applied appropriately. All of this could have been avoided if Spieth had just demonstrated a bit of patience.

[@andrewsmith9447]

John Johansen Yes but since it is MATCH PLAY the only time you technically breach the rule is if your opponent would say there is a breach not the rules committee because you are only playing that one person

[@BurnedSpace]

say something tiger, everybody on that course owes you

[@MrJking065]

You are correct.Tiger brought golf out of the Snooty rich Plantations into main stream America and made Golf and anyone who plays or works in golf rich.

[@gregh77]

There was a judge in Providence I believe. Dismissed a parking ticket a lady received at 9:59am because the sign said no parking before 10am. He said "we try to employ the rule of common sense." Mr. rules official, you want to try that approach. After all, we want to see the players decide the match.

[@95bochamp]

No, it's a game, not a courtroom. If you don't have rules, you don't have a game.

[@jsdp]

@@95bochamp Jesus, you would think a courtroom should be held to a higher standard than an inconsequential ruling in a game of golf. Yet here you are arguing the opposite!

[@GolfRulesQuestions]

Andy knows the Rules so well!

[@lolfish2127]

Everyone saying "dumb rule". The rule needs to be black and white - you cant touch an opponents ball in motion. Period. Okay fair play the ball wasnt going to go in the hole, but at what parameter constitutes that? What if in another scenario the ball passes the hole but could have used a slope behind it too feed it in? Can an opponent knock it away saying it wasn't going in? Sorry.. but you can't have a grey area on this issue. Before anyone says 'common sense, the ball wasnt going in', needs to realise that you cant have your opponent making the decision that your ball won't go in the hole. No matter how obvious it might be.

[@Van_bya_river]

@1:40 tiger got Alot of respect there

[@remyandersen2001]

I don't get it. it had already been conceded, right?

[@troyknadle839]

From what I gathered, it can't be conceded until the ball stops... But yes it was conceded since Jason made a birdie.

[@remyandersen2001]

Troy Knadle I think that's a stupid rule. Like give the guys a break!!!

[@ysgol3]

'Rules ????? What Rules ?' Patrick Reed.

[@TheHaubs11tx]

He should’ve known better just let the ball roll. I know this is a more relaxed day of the tournament but just don’t because it still has bearing on the final scores.

[@azapro911]

The rule is the rule, Andy McPhee enforced it correctly. Only thing that surprised me was that Spieth made this error, usually he's got the rule book printed onto the inside of his eyelids.

[@davidpeschansky8203]

So none of us are going to talk about the rocks they had to walk over, what happens if they are playing in a breeze or high tide

[@DC-jt9py]

When P. Reed is your teammate, tough to get people on your side lol

[@bertraminc9412]

No golfer is bigger than the rules.. not Tiger, not Spieth, not the opponent. The best thing about golf is that you play against yourself and your character, not the opponent.

[@furlonggg1]

what a cool thing to have tiger woods fighting for and with you

[@danceswithcritters]

Clearly that ball was going in .

[@drewpiontkowski]

It’s whatever. Reed and Jordan are still gonna win the match

[@blakemurray2834]

Drew Piontkowski who won tho

[@cyberpor]

Fair enough

[@MissDaisyTheRacoon]

Tiger Woods: Hold on. Even though they... (cut off by rules official) Rules Official: Nah, nah. This is between me and Spieth. Tiger Woods (in his head): Do you know who I am? Rules Official (In his head): Tiger Who?... (For those who don't get the Tiger who? Comment. I was referring to the entire 99’ European Ryder Cup team who had Tiger Who? Embroidered on their cap, as to not glorify him as more than a man, and just another golfer on tour.)

[@leobowman8149]

But in doing so, totally glorified him.

[@Fjfcjcfjfjccjcjjkf]

Finally Jordan Speith has started making his sensation putts again...✌️✌️

[@Me37368]

Why are old people always officials and take everything so seriously

[@NtsikaMzananda]

That is the stupidest ruling I've ever seen

[@jaydee5447]

Don’t believe that penalty is in the spirit of the rule

[@rossparker3278]

1:44 such disrespect

[@gabescustoms3281]

How?

[@calebwmsgolf]

James Althoff that official probably hasn’t been heard from again. No one shuts up the Big Cat like that.

[@gabescustoms3281]

Caleb Williams idk that woods was talking I just noticed

[@janesharples4808]

no actually no disrespect at all he isnt going to do his job any differently just because tiger got involved

[@JadenWard]

1:44 this man tried to shut up the goat I’m actually offended

[@MC-nb6jx]

Jaden Ward ..... So you’re a Snowflake eh??😉😉

[@areyoustupid.....]

@@MC-nb6jx calm down. He's clearly making a jokey point!

[@MC-nb6jx]

Golf Mad .... Well hopefully he never goes on stage in that case😉😉

[@areyoustupid.....]

@@MC-nb6jx never said it was funny!😉

[@MC-nb6jx]

Golf Mad .... Is a joke not meant to be funny??🤷🏻‍♂️

[@91vanced14]

Don't touch a ball in motion. Simple rule to follow. 🙂

[@moreme40]

Once you concede it the hole is finished. Forget the ball

[@0Architectdude0]

I don’t think he should’ve lost the hole, but it could be a slippery slope on when you can stop a rolling ball

[@getupkid84]

Don't touch the ball while it's moving. Simple rule.

[@DrakePlayz0305]

I love golf, but there’s so many stupid rules. This is a match play, meaning you don’t go by strokes for the round, but holes won. If the hole is already lost, why waste time???

[@teufelhunden8308]

Dumb rule but Jordan made a youngin mistake. Was too impatient, should carry more class

[@rondo9517]

He was giving his opponents a concession, i would say that is plenty of class.

[@williedwyer2832]

What a tool Speith is. ‘Oh the only reason I stopped the ball was to silence the crowd’ Mate, you weren’t trying to silence the crowd at the end of the clip, u were firing them up. The balls was still rolling, I was still in play. End of.

[@blujay9191]

My opponent gets to decide whether my moving ball has a chance to go in the hole and then swipe it away? I don't think so.

[@xxsuperavpcraftxx931]

ive never seen anything like this in golf before in my life

[@bquick6317]

Hmmm... Wonder why golf isn't taken more seriously around the world... We have morons... Judging intention and lack of possibility.

[@bradcarter6286]

If all players agree who cares? I wouldn’t call a judge

[@frankiegump7384]

Love how the rules official basically told Tiger Woods to bug off 😂

[@frankiegump7384]

@Jerry Garcia I love Tiger, he's my favorite golfer. Just watching this rules official power go to his head made me chuckle lol

[@georgecole3201]

KZbin prfwa and

[@jackseaward8025]

Watching spieth getting angry is the sweetest thing

[@ClaytonBigsby89]

Technically a 150mph gust of wind phenomena could've blown the ball back up the hill

[@madmartigan3921]

To be honest Jordan should know the rules he's been playing long enough.

[@josephfeddersen9879]

Rules are rules. He was wrong.

[@raymondarmatino5030]

It's match play. The hole was over

[@nobiclarke]

Jordan's funny af lmao

[@quayzie]

Probably made up for the 3 times Reed cheated and didn’t get caught during that round.

[@QenaitheCustodianGuard]

I thought the same lol

[@sergihernndz704]

En México a eso se le llama tener unos pinches huevotes.

[@thebaddog9065]

I mean can we think about it logically the ball would have had to break the laws of physics to get in that hole. That is just BS the rules of golf are to complicate and stupid.

[@neilcameron3021]

it happened with the Moon landing!

[@95bochamp]

Have you never seen a ball roll up a slope and then roll back down? In any case, touching a ball in motion is against the rules. Just don't do it.

[@clintrep7930]

no, it's very simple. Never touch your opponent's ball.

[@thebaddog9065]

So you are saying that if my opponent hits a chip over a green or has hit his putt 10- 20 feet by the hole and concedes the hole and I am closest to his ball I should not get it for him. And I should make him walk over and get it him self like an ass hole. If that is how you play I feel sorry for the people that play golf with you. What Jordan did was an act of sportsman ship getting his opponents ball so he didn't have to.

[@thebaddog9065]

I have seen that but the ball was rolling down hill. So I have a question for you have you ever seen a ball roll back up a hill.

[@No_one_important22]

I get it. Rules are rules and golf is strict about rules but there is room to introduce some common sense in the rules.

[@xharpe9662]

WOAH WOAH WOAH, did that rules official tell Tiger Woods to essentially shut up....?

[@jonathangoddard8133]

Strict rules of golf Mr Goldfinger

[@stoneypatchkid7734]

This is when the rules of golf blow

[@MrScottwurth]

And the tour wants to "grow" the game. All this is nonsense

[@greystar9052]

Why are they walking on the rocks? 😂

[@MC-nb6jx]

Greystar .... Because if they didn’t they’d get their feet wet🙄🙄🤣🤣

[@markabendroth1774]

Shorter distance to the next tee, they were already delayed by ruling

[@ConvictedFelon2024]

Not sure why everyone is so fired up, a player is not allowed to touch their opponent's ball while it is still moving, past the hole or otherwise.

[@aquiariots72]

You are absolutely right !! Speith, playing at such a high level, should know it; he broke the rule and deserved being penalized..

[@pilotjonas8]

Matthew Walton Cuz It was already out of play?!

[@gnatman1102]

Thebbff CZ In match play, I can understand what Jordan did had no effect on the outcome. However, that is in the rule book regardless of play format. If golfers have a problem with it, petition the USGA and R&A to change the rule for match play.

[@boogiman6622]

These guys play for thousands on the side and do stuff like this all the time. In a match play setting especially the rider cup, things can slip a golfer's mind. All 4 pros knew what was right so argue against that point. PGA has some major rule changes that need to benefit the speed of the game and the overall inner integrity in ppl. This is one of many petty rules that unfortanatly happen too often smh

[@sappermade6012]

Annie McPhee is on the scene here?????

[@georgehiggins1320]

Nanny McPhee is on the scene?? Wut??

[@YoloSwegs]

exerting what little power he has

[@cloak_9296]

I have seen some bad/stupid golf rulings bit I think this is the worsr/ most bias one I have seen

[@No_Judgement_Here-k3n]

I do not understand why some of these want to be pro’s have to be condescending????

[@chinaman1]

wait, I don't understand, why will he want to stop the ball when it's still in motion?

[@seanscanlon9067]

The putt was for an eagle and would've won the hole, so when it went passed then the best that player could've scored was a birdie but because his playing partner had already score a birdie himself, Speith stopped the ball as if to say take a birdie as their best score on the hole and Speith and his partner both had birdie puts to tie the hole. Yet because Speith interfered with that moving putt then his side automatically lose the hole and do not get the chance at their birdie putts.

[@chinaman1]

@@seanscanlon9067 oh, so Oosthuizen didn't make the birdie, Spieth picked it up because he assumed his partner CAN and WILL make the birdie?

[@seanscanlon9067]

@@chinaman1 No Oosthuizen was actually going for an eagle with his putt that Speith stopped and could have only made a birdie at best with his next putt, but since his parter had already made a birdie anyway, Speith stopped Oosthuizen's ball thinking that Oosthuizen and his partner would go with the partner's birdie as their score on the hole. Yet by Speith stopping the ball, that automatically gives the hole to Oosthuizen and his partner, without giving Speith and his partner the chance to putt for their birdies to half the hole. If he had just let the ball come to a stop by itself and then conceded the putt, then Oosthuizen and his partner would both have had birdies but essentially only offered one of those as their score for the hole (assuming it was best ball score) and then Speith and his partner would have been allowed to take their birdie putts to see if either of them could have made those for a half on the hole.

[@chinaman1]

i see. thanks. i understand now. All these partnered up games always gets to me.

[@thetrainwxgeek]

Rules are rules but there has to be a common sense rule here. Ball was rolling down a hill and there’s no physical way for that ball to all of a sudden do a 180 back up the hill with enough speed to go in.

[@patriciomontemayor4802]

I thought the marshal was trump

[@alexbooth4249]

The guy that tells tiger to shut up is a savage😂

[@cheapycheapy4689]

This was just petty. The ball was going nowhere, and had no further influence on the outcome.

[@jackcreely7231]

The ball was about to go down a hill

[@BrianSWG]

Golf rules at there finest!! Rule book is about 200 years outdated.

[@Mdjagg]

Just proves why everyone should be cutthroat against their competitors until the match is over. If he wasn't trying to be nice, this wouldn't have happened

[@Zug75]

the rules officials r too politically correct, stupid. like 2013 masters with tiger woods, he already signed his card. then they penalized him, its all messed up.

[@claytonjohnson2257]

1:45 tiger should have attacked that guy

[@mikkeliversen6127]

Clayton Johnson Why? He does his job and John paramor is a legend

[@MC-nb6jx]

Clayton Johnson .... All they can do is apply the rules as written.. Stupid rules included😉

[@pichoharispe]

Best sport in the world. Stupidest rules in the world.

[@jsmariani4180]

Broad daylight - Speith hits bad shot. Dusk - Speith still arguing with official.

[@2ndAveScents]

Wow that official wouldn’t even look Tiger in the eye, just held his hand up and said I’m not talking to you this is between me and the white guy.

[@lane_11newt50]

Golf has some dumb rules, that's why they are dumbing them down for the future

[@karlcohalan7371]

Notice Reed hardly got involved.

[@longhorn2615]

Oh golf, you’re funny.

[@michaelmccurry2314]

And the pga wonders why players are thinking about another golf league

[@Tops1212]

Speith is so petulant, he didn't complain at getting 20 minutes to take his shot at the Open.

[@jacec5855]

Dont touch the damn ball when its moving brah!

[@williammurphy8293]

I love this sport but there are toooooooooooo many stingy rules that need to be given some common sense. The official is at the wrong and even the opposing players new that wasn’t right . It’s a friendly gesture because he was stopping a ball out of kidness

[@kentosmentosbentos1218]

Spieth, why di

[@spencer.kissack.the.author]

Waaaaay too many stupid rules in golf

[@heatison11]

Jordan Spieth is the biggest crybaby professional golfer

[@arthurgallaway7106]

Leave it to the pga to make a rule like that B. S.