Referendum 2022: Everything You Need To Know About Bill 39

A new referendum approaches. The almost complete Bill 39 gives citizens of Quebec a choice. Will we kick the can down the road and continue using the outdated, arbitrary, old British electoral system that even Scotland doesn’t use anymore? Or will we join the rest of the modern world in moving over to a proportional system? Join me in a comprehensive breakdown of the who, what, when, where, whys and hows of Bill 39. Something that you will hear a lot of in the next few years... mainly because politicians who only have jobs because of an unfair electoral system really don’t want to lose them.
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[@PeterHebert]

Surprise, surprise: the CAQ (who were elected under FPTP) has already reneged on the promise to put the electoral reform to a referendum: www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/quebec-electoral-reform-referendum-2022-1.6005897

[@RMTransit]

Impressive production value! Incredibly informative! Highly Recommend!

[@canadaehxplained77]

Agreed! This is a great rundown Paige!

[@GFmanaic]

You can go through Vaudreuil and take a boat, or drive on the north shore through Repentigny. What I mean to say is, there are ways to never set foot in Laval.

[@mayasej]

of all the thirty two minutes and forty eight second of this video, you retained the most important information.

[@OhTheUrbanity]

Great video. Pure first past the post is one of those things, like single family detached zoning, that it's mind-boggling that we've accepted it as normal. Also glad to see the endorsement from The Ministry of Silly Walks. Looking forward to part 2!

[@williamdion1236]

Ooh he should definitely make a video on zoning!

[@atubebuff]

Paige, you put together the most wonderfully informative mini-docs on such a diverse range of subjects. I feel smarter after every one (and that's saying a lot). Even your graphics and animations are worthy of much respect. Can't wait for the next one!

[@PaigeMTL]

Good to hear, I think these detailed and dry topics are often really interesting once you understand them. All the graphics are just me trying to hold peoples attention long enough for the importance of this stuff to click. It's totally worth the effort any time I get a comment like this where I know someone leveled up their citizen skills.

[@jtsaeed]

Great video as always Paige. As someone who has just recently moved to Montreal from the U.K., your videos have been extremely valuable to me, so thank you!

[@PaigeMTL]

Each time we make our electoral system more closely reflect the population there is resistance from the people that the current system works well for. Decades can go by before you as a citizen get to be a part of one of these milestones. Before 2022 we have about 8.5 million people to reach. Please have a conversation with your friends, watch some extra videos to understand the issues and share this one if you think it will help. Quebec is a special place, with your help we will make history.

[@HelpMeImHilarious]

Super stoked to being subbed to you if it means more content like this. Incredibly informative and super well-made. You are a breath of fresh air. Can't wait for more.

[@MihaZ]

The amount of research you put in these videos is amazing. You deserve 100k views

[@AboutHere]

WOW this is the best produced, most convincing case for proportional representation I've seen on KZbin. Wish you were living in BC when we voted on this exact same issue in 2018 (and 2005!)

[@PaigeMTL]

I have a feeling that it'll become a lot easier to pass this stuff as soon as one province does it. It's going to be hard to sell fear to people when millions of Quebecers are realizing they were given the Nazi Dinosaur treatment. Hopefully there'll be a lot more people in Canada saying, "Oh yeah, these guys again!? They'll say anything to keep the electoral system slanted in their favor. Wow, haven't heard someone comparing Canada to Israel since 2022"

[@belmehdilyes7059]

Amazing video, i came out more informed and with a better understanding of political systems in Quebec and Canada. I wish there was a french version to show to friends.

[@PaigeMTL]

I did fully translate the subtitles and if a voice actor wants to do an audio dub I'm happy to help.

[@cameronlee1827]

This is probably the most well thought out and best presented videos I have seen on PR. Awesome work! I really hope Quebec pulls through on this and doesn't mess it up like we have in BC...three times. Not fun fact: STV won 58%-42% in a 2005 referendum, but the BC Liberals had set a 60% win threshold so they never implemented it.

[@mariamartinez8164]

I just love and appreciate a lot the edition in these videos. Congrats. I really understand what you are explaining and that's really nice too.

[@PaigeMTL]

Thanks, this one was a lot of work

[@TheUrbanizer1]

your videos are so GOOD. how am i just now discovering you!

[@PrismaticFrank]

Thank you so much for raising awareness on this !

[@cream0fwheat]

It's ironic that minority governments better represent the majority, then a majority government. Here's hoping the referendum passes. Then I can further laugh at my friends back in my home province.

[@PaigeMTL]

Yeah, most all of our governments are "false majorities" they look like they have a mandate to govern alone but only 1/3 of people voted for them. It really undermines their authority to represent us. Not a surprise people protest so often when a new law get passed, most of us didn't vote for the people who wrote it.

[@thoughtsontravelandlife]

That's the most references I've ever seen on a KZbin video. Well done

[@PaigeMTL]

I actually ran out of space, might need to figure out a new system for future videos like this.

[@canadaehxplained77]

If Québec goes and does what Canada has quietly been trying not to talk about for what.. 20 years? 😂 Edit: I worked in a few PR countries in the EU in a past life - and it made for a more dynamic political conversation in general. Yes, more fringe parties made it into the fold - from the greens, to the ultra-nationalists - but there's at least there is a system that requires these parties to think about those few things actually link them together in what is ultimately different views on how to better the same country, or province. Also. People complain about their MP being in another neighbourhood? Tell them about Northern Ontario - where you're a 6hr drive from your MP hahah It's a real shame that the JT Liberals decided to use PR as a way to grab the further-left vote in 2015 and then just drop the ball almost right away. It wasn't ever in the cards - but it really needs to be. I'm excited to see how this plays out in Québec!

[@PaigeMTL]

I think people often point to a party that represents their particular bogeyman, parties like Golden Dawn or Alternative for Germany and miss that neither of those parties have actually formed a government. I think over the last few years we've realized the harm of these silos that make us not understand and hate each other. Seems like our electoral system is built for the silo era.

[@nagdeolife]

Way longer than 20. We've been discussing electoral reform for over 100 years in Canada.

[@repulsewarriorx8825]

...thank-you. If you care, as a Quebecer, this is worth watching.

[@alexbuchanan3250]

You changed my mind about St. Hubert’s. Also, I thought the John Cleese video was actually Jacques Parizeau.

[@ersandy4u]

Only 2k views in 2 weeks! This needs to be heard.

[@billcday]

Such an informative video. This sounds like a great trajectory for Quebec.

[@raidenyvelina8558]

You got me thinking about moving from Quebec to New Zealand

[@PaigeMTL]

I guess that would be easier than spending a decade convincing everyone you know to vote for it like I have been. But you know, it’s nice to be part of building something.

[@cornoc]

excellent video i would be proud to show this to my father if i had made it

[@PHZD1]

Excellent video, as always!

[@aaronknittel8327]

amazing vid :) good luck coming from an Austrian!!

[@adanactnomew7085]

This was such a good video on why FPTP sucks. It hurts regional representation more than it promotes it (as the system claims)

[@Laughandsong]

Funny how an immigrant from NZ clarifies a lot of things in my home city and province that I left 27 years ago for the milder winters of Toronto.

[@mercedezroberge]

Bien qu'elle présente des informations intéressantes, cette vidéo diffuse un message inexact quant au référendum. Le #pl39 n'étant pas encore adopté, il ne faut présenter son contenu comme étant final - ni sur le référendum, ni sur les modalités techniques du mode de scrutin qui sera adopté. Si non, à quoi servirait tout le processus parlementaire....

[@patrickbetts5504]

Great job explaining all this! Love the cap! Make mine a Big Nan ! ;)

[@PaigeMTL]

God I miss those sandwiches. Tell the Captaine I said hi.

[@m.p.baldnessdyslexic88]

I share and share!! :)

[@CanuckJim]

NZ! I was just puzzling about your vowels.

[@philpaine3068]

Ah, that New Zealand accent! I loved it when you said that proportional representation makes for a democracy with "more chicks".

[@pierre-rose7783]

The Neverendum Referendum !

[@ikesau]

28:31 lmao amazing video. I can't wait for Quebec to finally update its system (If/when enough people vote yes!)

[@louisd.8928]

0:54 Thanks London UK, mother of all Parliaments. We, alongside so many others, have inherited this broken system and we can't seem to get rid of it.

[@TimiGeorge]

Great video man. I hope that the people of Quebec do what is right and vote to maintain the equality of every vote. I'm originally from Alberta and we have the same issue 100X (The terror that was the 40 years of one party rule). I now live in Ontario and I watched the same thing happen is 2018 here. I look forward to the day when every election in Canada a Proportional Representation system.

[@ianhomerpura8937]

The giant fights make parliamentary sessions much more exciting. 😃

[@atubebuff]

3:16 LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

[@SPAMMAN123456789]

I didnt even know this was happening probably cause I only just moved here 6 months ago, but good to know I will be voting on that next year. cool

[@frankarouet]

Would be much tougher to govern, but the majority party will have to deal with others, which could be good too. I'm not sure about it. It would certainly increase representation. New parties would appear. It would be more representative of what people are about. I tend to think I'll vote yes to proportional. At some point, they were thinking of having half MNAs elected on proportional and half as they are now. But that's a bad idea with less than 120 MNAs. 100% proportional would probably be the best. It would be at least the most democratic.

[@cocoetnico]

Allô, je ne sais pas si tu lis le français, mais si tu vis à Montréal, j’assume que oui! Tu devrais trouver une personne francophone qui est en accord avec ton vidéo pour le refaire pour ceux qui ne comprennent pas bien l’anglais. A moins que cela existe déjà!

[@PaigeMTL]

J'aimerais vraiment faire une version française pour la mise à jour. Ce serait un défi personnel.

[@ehjo4904]

J'espère bien après autant d'année ici . Bien qu'il y'a plusieurs personnes à Montréal qui vivent dans le 'ghetto anglais ' et une attitude de ' privilège Anglais '

[@belmehdilyes7059]

Oui superbe idée surtout que je connais pleins de francophones intéressés par le sujet qui ne pourront pas comprendre cette video

[@m.p.baldnessdyslexic88]

Oh look at the results Canada election yesterday . same same

[@simpleandobvious]

Great video, well worth the wait! Though I know there's no way it could be sold to a population nowadays, I'm PR-STV (Single transferable vote) 'til I die--if only because the very complicated counting system means that the next day is full of drama in watching the ballot count. Also, I think your fears are well founded re: the media opposition to PR. Am thinking back on the Alternative Voting system referendum that ran in the UK 10 or so years ago, and how--despite it being minimally reformist--it was completely demonised.

[@PaigeMTL]

Yeah I've watch a few PR groups talking, they're pretty funny because it's often a lot of strong independent personalities for obvious reasons. Most people have a preferred choice, but I think that on a continent of jurisdictions with majoritarian voting systems, any single one that tries to do something different is a win. We can always change it again, or back, if people don't like it. BTW I've never waited until the next day to get an election result with MMP, the thing you do wait for is the forming of the coalitions which all PR systems have from time to time.

[@simpleandobvious]

@@PaigeMTL Oh I know all about long waits for government formation: the 2020 election in Ireland took place in February, but the government was only formed four months later in June. (Most times it only takes a few weeks, but this case was because it was a three-way tie with some parties that truly detest each other.) One other point: I can see the elegance of a candidate vote and a party vote, but I do quite like the preference voting Ireland has (we go in and rank the candidates in order of preference, hence creating the complexity in counting). I am, as I said, biased on this point however!

[@jerQCote]

I've actually spoken to Manon Massé, co-leader of the Quebec Solidaire party, and she told me the reason they're separatists is because federal ties prevent them from going as far left as they'd like XD

[@PaigeMTL]

That’s funny, I mean I’d vote for them to get prorep in. Three years of economic damage is acceptable for fixing the electoral system permanently. They’d probably also tone it down if they were actually in a coalition long term.

[@jerQCote]

@@PaigeMTL yeah i agree. I'm in favor of a lot of their policies, especially PharmaQuebec, but I'm a lot more a Sovereignist in the sense i want the people of Quebec to have more control over their daily lives and future, not necessarily the province of Quebec to have more political power.

[@PaigeMTL]

I think a lot of people who haven’t experienced coalition governments fear the extreme policies of the minor parties. But when coalitions are formed you get the things that the centrist parties can tolerate like pharmacare, not they really out there stuff like… nationalizing lays all dressed chips.

[@jerQCote]

​@@PaigeMTL The only issue is QS doesn't really have a party to coalition with.

[@PaigeMTL]

They will when someone wants a confidence and supply agreement to form a government. Needing to get along is what actually forces politicians to be less shitty to each other and spend less time stirring up hate. I’m sure if you removed PR from New Zealand things would regress to the constant shit slinging they had before. God I miss a political system with 25% less bullshit, it makes a big difference.

[@CapitaineMontreal]

Seriously, you talk for so long... you made me rethink about my voting habit... I will have to consider the Green party a bit more next time... in any ways... I will check their program way more!

[@PaigeMTL]

I'm worried that people are hearing me endorsing the greens. All the sovereigntist parties are pretty good or great on the environment, the issue is the federalist folks have only one choice when they vote and the Liberals aren't that focused on the environment.

[@robertwisla1669]

Nice maps Paige! Well done!

[@davidseto169]

l prefer a majority method with party candidates chosen only by local party members. PR entrenches the party system. No more ridings. Actually no more use for members, as party leaders simply vote their numbers. All efforts will be focussed on cities. The only benefit of PR in Québec is the abolition of ridings in which rural over-representation has been codified.

[@FlakAttack0]

Great video and I will be among those voting for PR. I will be sharing this video as far as I can. Only tangentially related but I strongly disagree with disarming legal gun owners like NZ did. People here in Canada jump through a *lot* of hoops to own guns and the rules for purchase and storage of firearms and ammunition are quite strict. If you don't know anything about it I would be happy to explain the basics, or if you prefer to support fellow youtubers, you could look up videos from Runkle of the Bailey (a Canadian firearms lawyer).

[@MarceloNunesPOA]

The reason Green Party is so small in Canada is because it is still not more than an organization around the personal figure of Elizabeth May. Of course, it is a vicious cycle. Because they don't have any chance to grow so they don't have the motivation to become more organic. And it is also true that selecting Annamie Paul is an important step to grow, but it is still far from the organized institution that most of the environment-aware voters would vote for instead of the Good Old Liberals.

[@PaigeMTL]

Their share of the popular vote would equal 22 seats instead of 3. With the new leadership they are still polling the exact same as they were last election. The seven fold factor of the electoral system seems more important than who is the party leader or how well organized they are.

[@danielonesra_eo]

When did cursing become so mainstream?

[@PaigeMTL]

18 years ago

[@SheriOberman]

Paige you may enjoy (the American oriented) channel Liquid Future, especially an interview with Helen Lafreniere, a Yale political science professor, from France who studies solutions like citizens' assemblies.

[@PaigeMTL]

When I was a programmer I coded and campaigned for a liquid democracy system with some friends. Kind of a story for another video if I ever get time, intense is an understatement.

[@Toratelli]

I wish we could have a bicameral system with Party-list proportional representation system for the big chamber. Just copy Switzerland more or less and we are ready for some compromises.

[@PaigeMTL]

I think the point is, we can't do worse than the First Past the Post system we have. Once countries agree in principle to Proportional Representation it is much easier to make tweaks and adapt the system. Right now, we're not even in the ballpark.

[@emilenelligan3810]

I hope we can vote to have our own country too

[@wavearts3279]

Un jour mon ami, un jour.

[@SheriOberman]

Je comprends que les jeunes Québécois ratent soutenir la séparation.

[@PaigeMTL]

For now though, MMP would become another thing that makes Quebec distinct from the rest of North America.

[@otsoko66]

There are two (completely separate) issues that I wish you had brought up: FPTP has a real advantage of giving one party a mandate to govern - which creates stability, at least in the short term. Highly proportional systems (like Israel's) can easily lead to no-government situations, leading to a series of no-real-winner elections until someone can put together a governing coalition. Secondly, you ignore -- and this is really surprising to me as Quebecer given that you live here and you KNOW this -- the main purpose and effect of the (now shelved) CAQ's proposal was to massively boost the electoral representation of old-stock white franco Quebecers -- because that's who votes CAQ & PQ (since almost all minorities live in exactly one "region" - the other 16 are overwhelmingly white and franco), and thereby massively reduce the representation of anglos and especially minority voters. You toss this off as being some kind of normal (???) under-representation of Montreal, but this system further increases that under-representation AND locks it in - the Montreal region would have gone from an already severely under representative 27 seats (out of 125) DOWN to 24 seats [rural ridings already have fewer people than urban ridings]. Dude, it's not about the geography for the CAQ - it's about who lives where; it's about ensuring that no-one in Quebec will ever have a political voice except the francophone de souche. It's the "regional" aspect of the CAQ proposal, not the electoral list part, that creates the problem for democracy in Quebec.

[@PaigeMTL]

Short term stability isn't called stability. It's not severely, as mentioned in the video existing electoral legislation clearly defines the per-capita representation requirements and it is within those bounds. If that is your issue, we just need to add a few seats, that will be done by the first Montreal heavy coalition. This was a point raised during the New Zealand MMP campaign in the 90s by rural South Island voters who were under represented, but funnily enough it's the opposite situation now and the South Island is over-represented. The under/over representation with FPTP is so much worse than this. Combined QS and PQ have 21 seats less than they should have right now. I already mention in the video that the people on both sides of the PR debate have their own selfish motivations. I bring up this point with the suffragettes who were both right and self motivated. In fact, the first Montreal heavy coalition that adds more seats would be doing this and I would support it despite them having a bias. The francophones are a majority, yes a proportional system will mean that the Liberal Party won't be able to win through just happening to have concentrated votes in certain places, they'll have to figure out how to win over more Quebecers or find common ground with parties like the Greens, QS or PQ. Great, that's the point.

[@Grantonioful]

I'm sorry but... After you said we added people , you said more checks and balances but it sounded like they added more chicks (love your accent :P)

[@hagfish_]

22:56 I really thought you said "more chicks" 😂

[@PaigeMTL]

Well, ProRep does correlate with increased female participation.

[@Grantonioful]

Do you know John Cleese?

[@MichelLarcher]

Your video is pretty good. The only thing I would say is that the Green Party is just not the only pro-environnement party there is. Quebec Solidaire is not only socialist, they also have pretty strong proposition on environment issues.

[@PaigeMTL]

Yeah I read the whole QS policy document, you can see it in the video, they have a big section on the environment. The problem is the federalist anti-sovereignty person who likes the environmental position but can't vote for QS because of the sovereignty issue and votes Liberal. Or maybe they do vote for QS, but they're not super happy about it when they walk out of the voting booth. It's very notable that Quebec is missing a significant green vote which would probably scoop up a lot of urban federalist voters if the party was seen as a viable option for a change.

[@emilenelligan3810]

@@PaigeMTL The Green Party of Québec is corrupt and mismanaged, just like the Liberals. I don't know why anyone would want to give them more power.

[@PaigeMTL]

Well... I mean... Corruption and mismanagement often doesn't always stop people voting here. The greens did run a bad campaign last election, but they will pickup more votes in a system where people feel they're not a wasted vote. They have a unique federalist+environmental policy that a reasonably large number of people want.

[@tutubebitube5120]

loi 39 and it's gone !

[@GeneralDestroyQc]

I see the point and agree with you in general, but I feel likek you are not giving QS enough credits on the environement. Maybe not as much as the green, but they do make environnement on of there biggest priority and talking point.

[@PaigeMTL]

I don’t know what to tell you, but the two parties aren’t substitutes for each other. I’m not jerking off any party here, I can just tell you that federalist environmentalists would prefer to vote for the federalist environmentalist party. Frankly this whole video and the policy it supports does more than enough for the cause of QS. It really doesn’t need me to halt the video and go on about how they have the second best policy on climate change and then undermine my point by saying that actually those federalist environmentalists are probably happy anyway.

[@simval84]

As someone who wants electoral reform and who is unsatisfied of the FPTP system... I'm seriously thinking of voting NO on the referendum. This MMP proposal is not the best of both worlds, it's the worst of both worlds, especially the very weakly proportional system proposed by the CAQ government. The proposed reform has only 45 regional seats for 80 local seats, Scotland has 100 local seats and 100 regional seats. In New-Zealand, the system distributes compensatory seats country-wide rather than regionally. Retaining FPTP for local seats also forces voters to vote strategically as they do currently, because winning local seats by vote-splitting is still possible and these distortions are not compensated by the system. There's also the potential to break the system here if a party has the bright idea to separate itself in two, one that runs for local seats and another that runs for regional party votes only. I also don't like how it will create two types of MPs, ones elected by their constituents in a riding, others selected by their party. Democracy is more than a dictatorship elected every 4 years, there's a process to democratic governance that is supremely important. Contrary to you, I don't like party systems in which MPs are but stooges goose-stepping where the party leader tells them to go. In a parliamentary system, the Prime Minister sits at the pleasure of Parliament, so MPs need some independence to be able to confront the PM and hold him honest. Parliamentary debates are but the visible tip of the iceberg of debates between MPs, PMs have to maintain the confidence of their cabinet and their caucus, and the more independent MPs are, the more they can force the PM to take into account popular opinion and local interests. Having MPs chosen by the party and not the voters means they're likely not going to dare to confront the party leadership as much as local MPs that party leaders have to select based on their local profile to maximize their electoral chances. In pure proportional systems, maybe you can have enough parties running and getting seats to fill that role of holding the PM honest, but that won't be the case here, the importance of local seats means that politicians know they must not split the party and will stick to large parties to have a chance to win local seats, especially since small parties that get less than 15% of the vote in a region are likely to not be represented at all! My preference would be to a STV system or a P3 system as proposed by Stéphane Dion, where there is still local representation and people can vote for who they want rather than have parties choose the MPs. I know the slogan about not letting the perfect be the enemy of the good, but I'm actually not sure this bastardized MMP is better than FPTP.

[@PaigeMTL]

When running previous elections through the system outlined in Bill 39 it produces far more proportional results. In 2022 we can have a more proportional system or not. I think PR refferendums often fail because the long term supporters are political nerds with strong preferences for what we want. Regions like Germany or unified like New Zealand? More seats? Merged ridings? To 99% of people we sound like two nerds bickering about "Star Wars" vs "Star Trek" the public sees this disunity and what we get is 20 more years of "The Fast And The Furious". If this fails and 20 years later maybe we get an STV refferendum, I'll probably be saying the same thing to the MMP-for-life folks. Bill 39 is pretty good, I would have changed some things, but it's absolutely better than first past the post and I'd vote for STV too for the same reason.

[@simval84]

@@PaigeMTL Not that much more proportional, barely more in fact. Majority governments could still be elected with 40% of the vote with this system. And it would be hard for new parties to emerge given the high de facto threshold to win any kind of representation at all. This isn't just a thing about "political nerds" and their preferences, this is about understanding how the parliamentary system works and about the interaction between electoral systems and governance. Democracy isn't only about an election every 4 years. Considering the bastardized version of MMP it offers, I'm not even sure it's better than FPTP. Sure, it will be a bit more proportional, but that little proportionality is won by replacing one third of MPs with party-chosen yes-men rather than local representatives accountable to the voters. The trade is not worth it.

[@SheriOberman]

@@simval84 Local representatives acctable to the constituents? Try this scenario. If you're a Parti Vert who are ya talking to if the rep is not a Green?

[@simval84]

@@SheriOberman your local Representative whose job is to represent you even if you didn't vote for him.

[@SheriOberman]

@@simval84 The point exactly ... You're non Part Vert rep, can't do their job in representing your values cause your rep does not agree with your values. I voted Green federallt. I've got three MPs who agree with my values and none of them live in my province. My MP can't advocate for my Green agenda he's Liberal.

[@shawa666]

IT's better that what we have, however, I really don't like any party list systems because I fell representatives have to be personally elected to l'assemblée nationale. AV or STV instead of just plucking names on a list in the order the party chose it would have been better..

[@PaigeMTL]

Sounds like you might "open list" where the public can choose who on the party list is preferred. Pretty rare these days to see pure closed party list proposed, that was kind of an early 20th century option before people figured out that it's better to harness the strengths of multiple systems and theories. MMP is a mixed system so you have elements of both. In fact when you choose your party vote for your region, you know who is on that list. If you don't like the list because it has some local asshole on it, you don't have to vote for the party.

[@SheriOberman]

Too bad the government didn't give the design of the PR system over to a citizens' assembly, as FVC recommends. It's not coincidental that Montreal loses seats and the CAQ enjoys weak support on the island, is it?.

[@PaigeMTL]

Yeah I've wondered if it was a CAQ strategy a lot. The thing is it'll only benefit them for a few election cycles before either population change or additional seats forces a rebalancing. When MMP came to New Zealand the South Island was under represented too, it was an anti-MMP talking point too. I looked the other day and it's now over represented. I tend to think that if anything it's just the current lot in power making sure they have a good run.

[@jacklong1844]

Weird seeing a Brit who is interested in Quebec

[@PaigeMTL]

Someone didn't watch till the end

[@zaika1889]

The main goal of this proportional representation is to make Montreal votes count less and give more vote power to rural places. And we know very well that rural people vote out of fear than anything else and how proportional representation is going in our southern neighboring country >_> We already have racists in power, i bet we gonna end up with racists every fucking time if the vote goes through. Please change my mind.

[@PaigeMTL]

I doubt your mind can be changed. I mean you have very strong opinions about proportional representation based on the United States. Do you think that the United States would be a lot better off if they changed their voting system to a system that treated all votes as equal regardless of where the person was?

[@zaika1889]

@@PaigeMTL well, I don't know. You make a great point in the video, but I have my fears of how it might turn out with rural people being radicalized. I don't wanna debate anyone, I am hoping people can give me their opinions about it and I can decide how to vote. That's fear is the only thing that's stopping me(haha, I guess I'm also driven by fear in politics)

[@PaigeMTL]

Well, the voters on the nationalist side of the spectrum vote for 3 different parties. I think that tells you that there is a lot of diversity in their views. Many of these people are living on the island, in the suburbs, smaller towns and lifestyle spots like Mount Tremblant in the video. They're not like, maple syrup farmers and lumber jacks. The fact that they have been basically been made into less important voters because they don't just vote for one party is precisely what causes radicalization. "They don't care what you think" and "The establishment are repressing you" are so often the terms used in radicalizing people because you have to sell them on there being no way to get stuff done "inside the system" because it's a biased and corrupt swamp. It's pretty annoying when people know you vote is worth less than other peoples just because of where a line is drawn on a map. The US doesn't actually have proportional representation which is why the current swing states (which are on average kind of hickish TBH) dictate their election. Everyone is afraid, they fear losing their language and culture, anglophones fear losing their home. Making our democracy more fair, is going to take us all putting down the swords and agreeing on the principle that it's not fair that a party that gets 30% of the vote gets to run the province for 4 years. Because it isn't fair it makes people really angry and unhappy and certainly doesn't help healing any wounds.

[@zaika1889]

@@PaigeMTL I disagree , it is more likely that conspiracy theories and internet radicalizes them, not the voting system www.ledevoir.com/politique/quebec/555776/extreme-droite-quebecoise. Might be an interesting video btw. Were are we going, I wonder, seems that pandering to this kind of voters can let you win elections 🤔 What about argument that the less shit gonna get done? Parties will have excuses and blaming stuff on each other. Liberal party will be decimated and separatists gonna hold majority (cause there are 3)

[@PaigeMTL]

​@@zaika1889 so you want to see the Liberal party continue being very overrepresented by retaining our current electoral system? This is nessisary because the other parties are racist and separatist in nature? You want me to do a video on system you prefer (the current one) being more productive and having less partisanship? You also believe that the 3 opposition parties will always beat 1 party and that proportional representation is to blame for the issues in the United States? Right back to where we started it seems. Again, what would change your mind?

[@wwoteloww]

Feels like im watching a video about a place you don’t know nothing about. The fact that you would recommend the green party over QS for environmental issues makes me doubt about your knowledge of Quebec politics. You should investigate first before making these.

[@PaigeMTL]

I don't do that, and I don't recommend any party.