Refusing mandatory National Service won't lead to prison, Home Secretary James Cleverly says

Nobody would go to jail for refusing to comply with National Service under a Conservative government, the Home Secretary has said.
In the Conservatives' first policy announcement of the general election campaign, Rishi Sunak said he would introduce a new form of mandatory National Service for 18-year-olds if his party wins the vote in July.
Talking to Sky News's Sunday Morning With Trevor Phillips, James Cleverly said: "There's going to be no criminal sanctions, nobody's going to jail over this." He added that "nobody will be compelled to do the military element" but said those who do will be paid - while those who choose to volunteer will not be paid.
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[@benbow7]

Why would anyone fight for a system that hates them?

[@johngregson2851]

To get tactical and methodology methods....

[@TheLonelyRunescape]

They want to get rid of patriotism and being proud of your country but when it comes down to defending it nobody will because they've been brainwashed to hate it

[@achilles8840]

Beautifully said.

[@yossarianreborn2904]

All the young migrant men they will promise citizenship to if they do it?

[@davidcooks2379]

So first teach them to love the system

[@liammalarky3483]

Nationalise your water, not your youth.

[@redbeard3923]

Spot on

[@boostmeup]

too costly

[@npcknuckles5887]

All nationalisation is theft, tyrannical and rights-violating. End of.

[@satisfied656]

Literally ALL alternatives would be better than the incompetent Tories! They have brought Britain to this lowpoint after 15 yrs of failing goverment!

[@kdog4587]

Here here

[@hg8300]

Forced to Volunteer to not be paid? Is that not just institutional slavery?

[@zephyr8072]

"Service guarantees citizenship."

[@DrumToTheBassWoop]

​​@@zephyr8072and a plot of land?

[@charlesfaure1189]

Yes.

[@derekwhite2929]

Being forced to volunteer, isn't volunteering!

[@sondoobie1987]

Now where have I heard that one before? They said the same thing 2 or 3 years ago..

[@Skrappy202]

Tell that to zelensky and his mafia!!

[@geoffankrett7012]

Up to now, all I've seen is none white British telling us about it. What will the illegal immigrants be doing ?

[@henryschwaiger6568]

It's a conscription trap.

[@tomfurmby88]

@@Skrappy202 Ukraine is fighting for theri survival. Have some compassion. Putin will pay for what he is doing to the Ukrainian people but in the meantime Zelensky has got to do all he can to keep his country from collapsing.

[@kellyannpage1469]

Old men sending young men to fight their stupid wars. Nothing changes. I pray that all young people REFUSE

[@brummiali1998]

Kelly your 1 of us Yes read my comments I left on top well Said kelly

[@Norfolkbiker50]

Well for starters the majority of people in that age bracket now aren't British so wouldn't have to go anyway. Here's a thought, what if every person getting off the boats were told they had to serve two years in the british army?

[@M3PH11]

@@Norfolkbiker50 and then we posted them in iraq or something? that would be brilliant.

[@Norfolkbiker50]

@@M3PH11 or better still Africa!

[@SB-dg8hq]

I'm elderly and I would not ask someone to do something that I wouldn't do. Don't turn this into a age thing. Conscription is slavery and wrong. If the politicians want a war they should lead from the front.

[@Enigmatic..]

I will fight if this country gets invaded, but i will never fight in a foreign war. I will protect my loved ones, country and home, not the government and their interests.

[@spaceghost8886]

Well said! I concur wholeheartedly

[@gruffen2222]

So you'd never have fought in WW2 because they never landed in Southampton?

[@petals8657]

Couldn't agree more

[@Enigmatic..]

@@gruffen2222 It was a different time and a different situation. If i was alive and of age back then, then yes i would have fought because Britain was under threat of invasion from Germany. As of today, we are not under threat of invasion from anyone.

[@leigh-mariehamilton3361]

​@@gruffen2222we didn't have the SS living amongst us during WW2. If our armed forces go to fight abroad then who is at home to protect the UK from Daesh? The Islamists are already here and they are arriving every day on small boats.

[@genesis1765]

1st national service would be voting the tories out.

[@satisfied656]

He sounded not very #Cleverly🙄... #VoteTheToriesOut they are a incompetent to the bone!🤔

[@jake751]

That's red tory/ blue tory and far right faciast reform. 😊

[@zakjuly6721]

Fought in Iraq on lies , no WMD found , later find out ,it was all about oil and American intelligence services provided weapons to Isis to kill British and American troops , then i found out they created Isis , its was all a cover to sieze the Iraqi oil fields and install a pro American government

[@ascgazz7347]

@@jake751nonsense.

[@Jim90117]

When young people can't afford to live what do we do? Make them work for free. Idiotic.

[@andyevans8585]

As someone who served I only have respect for the military. As a father I would never allow my son to be FORCED to serve.

[@PopeyeBjj86]

Bore off

[@TheLucanicLord]

Become a Tory MP. I'm sure he'd be exempt.

[@boarisch5322]

I was conscripted, and my father was proud when I got a chance to serve our country which has given us so much

[@andybrice2711]

Not that I'm supporting this idea, but it doesn't "force" anyone to "serve". They'd be given a choice between a year of paid military training, or 24 days of charity work.

[@Imightbewrongbutsomightyou]

​​@@andybrice2711should be 12 months of charity work and 6 months of military service. Again, this system will benefit the bluffers.

[@Ben.g2009]

No brit would want to fight for Britian because Britain isnt even British anymore.

[@LeeBillingham1970]

Love Britian but can't spell it 😂

[@connorparsfield7456]

It’s not that at all, I would trust our army now over roadmen and tik tok influencers who are inexperienced in the army

[@royboy565]

UK is 87%white British.

[@lukemcintosh8894]

Why’s that?

[@jimoconnor2594]

The youngsters should tell them it's against their human rights to be called up

[@alexvince461]

They want to get rid of those anyway

[@Mircose]

@@alexvince461 tories want to get rid of human rights because they are not human themselves.

[@gazman2626]

It's not... Many European countries have conscription.

[@danielbutler4351r]

The wonderful world of human rights is a very last resort. And whoever allowed the word life to be posted on the central Bradford skyline really should have some explaining to do. Its understandable to a degree why some would want shut of this area. EC however, is a rebuild. Slowly but surely.

[@diamondgeezer3933]

​@gazman2626 those countries don't live on a island

[@blazzz13]

So that's the 18-34year old vote totally gone from the Tories- bravo

[@jbarnes1544]

And any parents of teenagers!

[@simoneworsley6882]

I doubt that most of them wouldn't vote for tories anyway

[@marcritchie4968]

Lol the tories are bad terible,labour will be worse.😂

[@blazzz13]

@@marcritchie4968 Yes because things are much better now compared to the last time Labour where in power right? 97-2010: No sewage, no billions missing in PPE, functioning NHS, less immigration etc etc.

[@chrisd5964]

The Tories only have a net positive in the age 66+ category now, amongst 18-34 their vote share is about 5%.

[@Pikaling3408]

Anyone who thought about reintroducing National Service should enlist themselves.

[@alexholmes7275]

I would be trying but I’m unsure due to them saying no more than once due to my teeth and autism when I was 18 I’m unsure whether I’d be allowed to

[@rnrn95240]

He did do it himself.

[@bullah56]

@@rnrn95240 He didn't do national service. He volunteered. Big difference.

[@riffraff9506]

Restore national pride, vote a Tory out.

[@marumaru6084]

Yeah bring in millions of people from different cultures that will work! Destroy employment with DEI that will work!

[@BrofessorDG]

@@marumaru6084 This is not america, Russian bot

[@whenneeded4652]

​@@marumaru6084 Racist talking in code doesn't work either

[@spaceghost8886]

@@whenneeded4652how is being against mass immigration racist exactly?

[@marumaru6084]

@@whenneeded4652 Thats true there is nothing more racist than the left!

[@CriticalTheoryIsNonsense]

These politicians just aren't very capable or intelligent. Just listen to how daft this nonsense sounds.

[@FlytoColombia]

It's not daft. They know a war is coming. It's better to be prepared, than to be blindsided.

[@nathanpennington6269]

@@FlytoColombiaFunny how it took a general election being called for them to decide that war was inevitable… I’d have thought if war were as inevitable as they say then this policy would’ve been sensible at least six months ago.

[@FlytoColombia]

@@nathanpennington6269 The very fact it's not a vote winner, and every other NATO country is preparing, should be ringing your alarm bells.

[@RAGSTAluvsDA90z]

​@@nathanpennington6269 this means no matter who wins the election they will still do this National Service

[@muzikhed]

Daft and dangerous.

[@holdmyhand2009]

no one is going to allow their sons and daughters to fight for war criminals

[@gmorgan894]

Absolutely spot on.

[@samiapassos9659]

Perfectly said. 👏👏👏

[@simonbamford8441]

14 years to work this stupid idea up!

[@arnoldsaunders6073]

The globalists are losing in Ukraine. If they loose, their agenda goes into reverse. They now expect the very people they have no consideration for, to go and fight for the elites. Send our young men away to fight, and leave our young girls at mercy of the illeagal immigrants.

[@Mircose]

Cleverly should be called stupidly.

[@edwardpenny7698]

He has earned the nickname Notso Cleverly

[@nadeemafzal8984]

May I suggest ‘THICKLY’

[@hadrianbird2645]

HAAAA! HAAAAA! I’ve never heard so much rubbish! This is laughable, utter nonsense from a Tory boy who hasn’t got a clue 🤡

[@user-uw8zr8lo8s]

His beards growing too

[@joginderroberts-downing6740]

No he hasn't got a clue

[@richardhewitt7097]

Tory's have lost the plot!

[@danielbentham758]

final nail in the coffin for these, I put a bet on 100-149 seats but won’t surprise me if they get below 100 now

[@user-ol3xe5fz4u]

i agree...i thought 130-ish

[@casadellangelo]

The aim is zero.

[@zbigniewczaykowski514]

After this double digits is definitely doable.

[@user-ej7yn3nz9w]

​@@casadellangelo😂😂 a big fat zero would make me laugh myself to death 😂😂😂

[@alastairwallace6153]

​@@casadellangeloor 4th or 5th place will do, obsolete in Parliament.

[@thefontofallgarbage8480]

Nobody rich will be made to serve, anyone that goes to public school will have bone spurs.

[@celliston2945]

Sugar coat it with ‘social cohesion’ but there is obviously a more sinister motive behind it.

[@trendybrowne]

Ww3

[@ThatchyThrone]

Yep. In their heads, get it in , and eventually, over the years, it will evolve into conscription; especially so in wartime.

[@blk1048]

Conscription and unpaid labour for the “voluntary” work

[@susangarbutt7189]

It will be only apply to indigenous "volunteers"

[@alfiedeegan1895]

Naziville Ukraine 🤐

[@flashback9966]

Eton and Harrow pupils working in a care home. . . yeh right

[@philiphorrocks6107]

the torys are setting themselves on fire

[@DreadnoughtXXL]

It seems like they're handing a sinking ship over to Labour. This all looks too planned.

[@courtneywinston7734]

Politicans: send your sons

[@markcarter6333]

And they should go and protect their sons.

[@Queenofgreen515]

No, send yourself! Leave young people out of it!

[@fitzy9274]

How to instantly hand the election to Labour

[@DreadnoughtXXL]

I think that's the point. Everything is crashing. Let Labour take us down to the bottom. Then they become unelectable for another 20 years. That's what i'm hearing.

[@johncraggs3658]

it's been finely honed throughout 14 years of Tory stupidity

[@McGrory69]

Suicidal policy and the final nail in their coffin

[@roblewis226]

If they can find the money for this bollocks why can't they just put it into the education budget? Schools are falling down and they want to buy uniforms.

[@johncraggs3658]

or the youth sector that they've systematically destroyed

[@smokejaguar67]

This country is no longer worth it. this country needs better leaders.

[@ktu668]

Your building up for War and anyone who joins up to fight for the Ukraine is nuts

[@SalemikTUBE]

So here we have two foreigners deciding about whether or not I will fight and die to protect foreign investments (Larry Fink) in a foreign land that has been stolen from it's rightful owners. It's a hard pass from me. I have no intention of absorbing anything from the foreign cultures that we had foisted on us.

[@alexvince461]

Obviously James not so cleverly thinks this idea is nonsense but he's got to crawl around defending it as it it was a real thing and not another gammon fantasy

[@typetwo]

Your kind of language has seen right wing parties rise to power across Europe.

[@zephyr8072]

@@typetwo Yes, sure. The right wing are gaining power not through their populist deceits but because the rest of us are _mean_ to them. Here's the plot twist, pal. We're not being mean enough.

[@alex-E7WHU]

Mandates are not laws. Mandates require consent.

[@SB-dg8hq]

Well said, I realised that during 2021.

[@susangarbutt7189]

I DO NOT CONSENT.

[@amyalo7095]

Amen! NOT CONSENTING!

[@jrobs1133]

So no criminal punishment, so it would be a fine. Poor people do national service. Rich people do not.

[@TedJM]

basically, buying your way out, the tory world

[@danielcunningham6727]

I'll do my bit for my country by voting these jokers out on the 4th of July 🫡🇬🇧

[@SB-dg8hq]

I get the impression that that's what they want.

[@danielcunningham6727]

@SB-dg8hq well I'll be more than happy to grant them that wish.

[@5heffPaul]

We only have 75000 soldiers, so who the feck is going to do the training?!

[@ThatchyThrone]

Private companies. Which of course their friends own!

[@andrewcooper103]

Matt Hancock

[@pastyman001]

The army didn't want National Service after the war. It was a pointless burden on them. Employers would not want to lose staff and the people themselves would be joining the army now if they wanted to do it. Who does want this? Old right wing colonels and codgers maybe?

[@tt-ew7rx]

Old people who had to do this themselves in their day, and think today's young need to be disciplined, something like that. I'm sure they'd have done some surveys and thought this would be useful in some swing seats. They have never tried to win the young vote and now they have all but given up on the parents of young people too. They have also screwed up people's pension plans and the care for the elderly. So how can they keep the elderly vote without making their lives better, performative cruelty on the young, of course.

[@tomjones1506]

@@tt-ew7rx I even wonder how many of those folk exist, both my grandads and great uncles all talked about how much they hated National Service.. being forced to take part in horrific conflicts that they did not even agree with. My grandad still has a disturbing photo collection from Malaysia

[@tt-ew7rx]

@@tomjones1506 I've met a few with this view on today's young. None of them actually went into battle though.

[@HerewardtheWake-ri1hy]

Wrong. Some saw active service in Africa and also in the Navy.

[@jn4126]

Id never fight for this country or the monsters that "lead" it

[@JetstreamAviation747]

I’m starting to think this country would be better just being run by the royal family again!

[@jn4126]

​@@JetstreamAviation747 😂😂😂😂 no

[@JetstreamAviation747]

@@jn4126 I’m joking, I thought that was obvious!

[@jn4126]

​@@JetstreamAviation747 ha sorry. tbf tho if some said last week the torries would put national service in their manifesto id have said they were joking ... At this rate I wouldn't be surprised if they started pushing revoking the magna carta as a way to really restore British values lol

[@JetstreamAviation747]

@@jn4126 I honestly don’t know how people with so little common sense got such important roles!

[@Darkscorponok]

Absolutely disgusting, lead by example and have your so called party do it…

[@Exciteddelirium1]

Im seriously at a loss at who to vote for..... Absolute shower on all sides

[@FarmsVilla]

Reform. Can’t be worse than this lot

[@rickkarsan4491]

​@@FarmsVillaReform have 2 policies, Brexit (done) and forceful extrication of anyone the wrong side of the Dulux colour chart. The latter sound very appealing to most but would fix much else.

[@kitswithkaren5003]

Don't vote it only encourages them.

[@darkshadowssonic]

"We are going to compel people to do it." thats a nice way of saying we are going to force people to do it

[@user-sx3pc4dj3r]

National service in a multicultural society. Oxymoron. 🤔

[@robertcarroll9409]

Absolute old tosh, national service isn’t coming back.

[@rickkarsan4491]

it is. WEF have ordered it.

[@quwipyui6519]

On the current world I guess is necessary

[@robertcarroll9409]

@@rickkarsan4491 I’m ex military, the military is totally against it, the PM knows it too.

[@AlexJordan-ik6is]

@@quwipyui6519 big bad Chinese and Russian devils i suppose. lol

[@optimalintelligent8090]

This guy should be in jail for not paying tax.

[@user-bb9sg7hc9y]

make national service compulsory for illegal and dubious immigrants, that would reduce the country's population in quick time,ease the burden on welfare and the housing crisis, all in one move!!

[@M3PH11]

better idea: instead of shipping migrants to rwanda make them serve 5 years in the forces. that'll put em off coz they won't want to come here just to be forced to fight they're own.

[@jonathanmulderpopetruthsee5296]

They want cannon fodder

[@Stimm002]

So low income families are now gona send thier 18 years olds to work for free, so they can contribute even less than they already would have to thier house holds just as they become an adult.

[@minzy421]

Fishi sunak is following israel footsteps... Force teenagers into army

[@jimoconnor2594]

Do the Hamas terrorists get paid ?

[@M3PH11]

also norway, sweden, Russia. the list is pretty long.

[@zephyr8072]

@@M3PH11 Israel, Norway and Sweden have good reasons to protect their borders by mandating military service. Russia is an imperialist dictatorship that is throwing young men into the meat grinder. The UK has neither of those issues.

[@andrewcooper103]

Relevancy your honor?​@@jimoconnor2594

[@seanmeehan-js5kh]

Young people are too savvy to do what politicians tell them these days. Total crap. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@TravelWithMarti]

none of my son,s doing it , fight for the crap that these noobs start, people will fight for country not fight for the mp.s crap i vote national service for all mp's put them on the front first

[@Paws4Thought669]

There is nothing left to protect

[@simonbamford8441]

Cleverly should joint the Muppets.

[@geosmith3436]

He did, he’s in the Tory government

[@darrengamer8189]

That's a bit harsh on the Muppets! :)

[@geosmith3436]

@@darrengamer8189 😂😂😂

[@Itsnotcomplicatedreally]

They wouldn't take him

[@johnholkham2420]

Sorry the Muppets have their Standards

[@D3xt3rity]

Great, let's throw the GCSE/A-Level Covid generation under another bus, already closed school/social activity, lets now force them to work for free too instead of giving them things to hope for and work towards eg owning a house :D

[@nickyeustace4782]

Cannon fodder for Ukraine?

[@Joe-og6br]

It seems Rishi has read the Daily Mail comments sections and decided to take inspiration from them.

[@spaceghost8886]

If only

[@shantishanti1949]

Nothing inspirational about this idea.

[@royboy565]

The Daily Mail, the tory bible.

[@andybrice2711]

_“Neoliberal tech bro desperately tries to act like a conservative.”_

[@bigwillyfpv6234]

This guy is war hungry ,

[@jamesandmikey32]

James Cleverly is my hero. He's just so slimy and such a deceitful man that I trust him absolutely.

[@chukwudiilozue9171]

He just admits it's all political. Almost endearing.

[@Itsnotcomplicatedreally]

I like the soldier gimmick lol

[@Fulkumnuts]

Utterly tosh l don't think he's very Cleverly the way he wormed his way around illegal immigration utter nonsense 😢

[@BigBullet-sk8vg]

More and more independent candidates need to be voted in or this country is truly dead.

[@martimcvey5506]

So empty idea noone would want to fight for uk propaganda wars

[@Exciteddelirium1]

If the Torys hadn't hollowed out the UK military for the last decade, we wouldn't be in this mess.

[@paulasparrow3571]

How are they going to enforce it then? Fines on youngsters who can barely afford to live?

[@fruitychink]

Totally unworkable in UK . Plain silly

[@WeRemainFaceless]

My youngest is 18, about to sit her A-level exams with conditional offers from universities. Rishi Sunak now is saying he doesn’t want my daughter in university, and would rather she went into the army.

[@tt-ew7rx]

When this goes into effect, she'd be 19 with any luck, but yeah parents should vote according to how they feel as youngsters who will be affected do not have the vote now.

[@WorthlessWinner]

@@tt-ew7rx - it won't go into effect because Sunak will never win.

[@tt-ew7rx]

@@WorthlessWinner Sure. I'm talking about their plan, which is what is used to try and win votes.The votes it wins are from those who are hoping the plan will be enacted.

[@spaceghost8886]

To be fair mate ya daughter will probably come out of Uni with a load of tattoos and piercings insisting that she is now your son 😂😂

[@shantishanti1949]

He wants her on the front line in the war he’s working towards. Pushing for that war… 😢

[@Paws4Thought669]

People would rather fight against these 4rsole's than for them

[@Mansempire1]

Is this for both genders?

[@nigelmarche]

And all the other genders 😂

[@Leo-gt1bx]

What about the others?

[@JestersDeadUK]

Of course, equality

[@JestersDeadUK]

​@@nigelmarche??? there are only 2 mate

[@nigelmarche]

@@JestersDeadUK that's what I thought but not sure if we're allowed to say that are we

[@JQ-999]

Sadly, it's too late and the UK is doomed! Start learning russian!

[@Rick-xp5sy]

It’s not going to happen because there’s no incentive and who’s going to fund it? This cleverly guy is abusing his surname!

[@Francoop4]

Cant send a plane to rwanda but want to enforce this, couldnt run a bath the lot of them.

[@SK-hv3zn]

No for compulsory service!

[@SilverSquirrel]

Will they need to have their mandatory vaccinations before they are allowed to begin their mandatory service?

[@keithgreen9009]

Anyone in wealthy families will be exempt or they will be moved to a higher position because of their family position

[@simoneworsley6882]

This is BS they are going to be gone in a couple of months

[@finjay21fj]

They think we're dumbed down - not yet!!!!

[@user-ol3xe5fz4u]

if u dont do it u will lose yr benefits...

[@spaceghost8886]

BASEDDDDD

[@keycuz]

We going the Israel route. No free healthcare unless served in military.

[@Queenofgreen515]

Aye that’s what comes next.

[@Truthseeker1515]

It's insane. As a French citizen, I completed my national service in 1996. I was in one of the last contingents as it was abrogated in 1998. (1) Those with connections either did not do it or landed in cushy jobs. (2) Graduates were treated as cheap, educated labour by professional NCOs, most of whom did not even have the baccalaureate (3) Those graduates who extended their national service by 3 months for officer training were considered as worse than privates by professional NCOs. (4) That one year (it was 12 months at the time) delayed entry into the world of work. (5) who would want to serve for an institution that serves greedy politicians who wage illegal wars? There is no such thing as society anyway, who knows best than the Tories!

[@darrelwestcott4986]

Cleverly deliberately did not mention no one will go to jail because the jails are full.

[@erikvynckier4819]

A billionaire telling 18-year-old for free.

[@OldCarsNewVan]

ps - no one's going to jail because there's no room 🤣

[@easternbrown]

A Tory minister lecturing us about diversity is the biggest joke going. So much snobbery and prejudice in that laughing stock of a government.

[@npcknuckles5887]

There's something truly evil about imposing slavery to the state (conscription) as a means of imposing the woke diversity agenda upon people.

[@paulbird3235]

"No one is going to jail over this" they are backing down even before it begins!. Did Richy discuss this with Larry the cat, or did he accept the advice from Liz Truss? FFS. This makes the "small boats" issue look feasable.

[@40yearoldvirgil15]

Is this just a ploy to make people believe "THE WORLD IS SOOOO SCARY AND LABOUR HAVE NO PLAN!!!" 😂 Ridiculous

[@JBroMCMXCI]

They should lead by example and serve first

[@petals8657]

Introducing his Sierra Leone dictatorship traits

[@brendahealy6888]

NO ONE IS GOING TO WAR EITHER WAY.

[@kennyyardley2436]

Wake up people

[@TheHeninhardenne]

Asylum seekers should go for national service first before granting asylum

[@richardmarsden5610]

Probably have them helping illegal immigrants off of the beaches and then cooking for them.

[@chanman5600]

He is not that clever. What is meant by mandatory, then ?

[@MarkR01]

MP's first!

[@omarnoor4249]

How can it be mandatory without any consequences for refusing to serve?

[@npcknuckles5887]

They will just fine people huge sums of money, and impose even more draconian measures if the fines aren't enough.

[@omarnoor4249]

@@npcknuckles5887 Absolutely! well said

[@stanthesteelguitarman8228]

There is no room in the prisons anymore. Enforced National Service just isn't going to happen!

[@quwipyui6519]

hahahaha a good one

[@kingofthemawds9472]

Yes because people want to join the army to make relationships. I think the tories are choosing policy to get them out the door the quickest.

[@silondon9010]

This is madness

[@harrywaters7718]

Does he realise 18 year olds are either studying for A-level final exams or going off to Uni at 18???

[@keycuz]

That's about 30% of 18 year olds. The rest are applying for McDonald's or jsa.

[@hybridhermit007]

This is never going to happen

[@AaRr-bn3xx]

We've always tried to be like the Scandinavians... and always failed !

[@christopherblackburn6811]

Apart from the bit where we provide better public services. We don’t even try that.

[@Skygrey2943]

​@christopherblackburn6811 Yeah, there was never an attempt from Thatcher onwards.

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The prisons are packed already.