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[@DeltaEcho303]

Most "youngsters" learn to drive on either a bland Driver's Ed sedan, their parent's crossover SUV, or their buddy's old Honda Civic if they want to learn to drive a manual. Getting a S197 is like picking up a .357 Magnum thinking you'll master it the same as you did with a M&P 22.

[@cleverkitsune4302]

Bad reference.. 357 isnt that hard to control and can be neutered by firing .38 out of its chambers

[@Inline-Four]

More accurately like shooting a high brass 12GA slug after mastering said M&P 15-22 (Personal experience lol)

[@phantomspaceman]

"Ummm ackshually" Reference was fine.

[@cleverkitsune4302]

@@phantomspaceman reference was shit

[@1Slo5ooh]

I’ve been driving since I was 16 however it was an automatic, however last year I asked a coworker to show me to drive stick least to say it took me 2 days to get it. 22 now and i drive a s550 stick, haven’t crashed it (yet) however I know how to control it and knowing my limit as well.

[@danschreffler1280]

Q: How can you tell if someone in your neighborhood has a Mustang? A: Oh, don't worry. You'll know!

[@lsh3rd]

I know because it is in my garage.

[@keegenm.6154]

@@lsh3rd sorry to hear about that

[@steven92392]

@@lsh3rd exactly got the 06 gt

[@OpeoAslam]

I have a neighbor a few houses down with one. Pretty sure he burns some rubber leaving the neighborhood every single time. A guy further down the street with a straight piped Challenger is somehow quieter.

[@Sly9192]

@@lsh3rd oof, hope you have home insurance

[@deloreanman14]

The year was 2003 and I had just gotten my driver's license. I was heading home from a friend's house in my mom's hand-me-down 1993 Toyota Previa and it was a gorgeous, windows down kind of day. First in line at a red light and a guy in a black SN95 in the left turn lane was revving his engine and doing stationary burnouts while waiting for the light to change. Needless to say, by the time he got the green arrow, he had the attention of EVERYBODY at that intersection. Sure enough, he pinned it wide open, overcooked the turn, lost the back end and slammed left wheel first into the center divider. The person in the car next to me also had their windows down and watched the whole thing and we shared a mutual laugh at this person's expense. Somehow the driver of the Mustang managed to not break anything, backed away from the divider and did the most pathetic, defeated, low speed escape I've ever seen. So there's proof that this sort of thing is not new....

[@qers]

Wait, the average teen comes from a Focus ST or Focus RS? Damn I'm poor...

[@11.9lsupercharged4]

Right no one would backtrack to a 3v from a st or rs

[@pikaporeon]

they get a clapped out ST for 9 grand, blow the engine, and end up in a mustang

[@qers]

@@pikaporeon The average teen still doesn't have 9 grand laying around.

[@yaboirico5221]

@@qers i think hes talking about the kids that their parents buy them cars

[@pikaporeon]

@@qers im pretty sure teens was your word not the videos- but its exactly the kind of car someone just out of college would buy, or a younger teen would have their parents buy them in that demographic (Also in the ST clubs I'm in they almost always end up in a Mustang two to four years later)

[@mmmlinux]

All drone.

[@gorderumsi6424]

4:38 with good headphones

[@phantomspaceman]

I wound up facing the wrong direction an embarrassing amount of times in an '01 Mustang. More times than the C4 and the '90 Z28 combined. Those cars had a certain amount of animosity in their characters.

[@stevenwilliams1805]

I have an 01' v6 Mustang and a little rain is all I need to slide around.

[@majist0]

That's because Ford couldn't for the life of them control the rear end bouncing around. They had quadra shocks on the Fox it was so damn bad. GM put a panhard rod in the F-body and it worked quite well in comparison. You're a total nutcase to drive a Mustang with a live rear axle.

[@TerryFT86]

it's because most of the cars are build soft with all the soft bushings for comfort without strength engineer into them.... & this is before traction control on cars were good for anything.

[@Ornelas11B]

@@majist0 I had a 97 Cobra. Solid axle car. I ripped 1st and 2nd gears all the time. So easy to keep control of those cars. I don’t understand why people crash Mustangs. I pulled out of a Deja Vu in Flint, Michigan sideways with the top down and a bunch of strippers that had just jumped in to go for a quick blast lol. Good times. I’d whip donuts right on Dort Highway lol.

[@TestECull]

@@majist0 It's because people can't fucking drive. That's all there is to it. Same reason Explorers rolled over; people just can't drive. They dont' understand that their right foot can move part of the way to elicit a lower key response from the engine that doesn't send the arse end waggling around all over the place, don't understand how to counter steer, don't understand that braking destabilizes the car and renders it impossible to control what direction it's going once it's already sliding, and just panic. We hand out licenses to complete morons. HAlf the motherfuckers on our roads can't even control a 105HP hatchback, much less a 300+ horsepower muscle car. It has nothing to do with the car.

[@JuddKramer]

My eyes have seen the dawning of the coming of the bro He is exiting the car show with his other bro's in tow.

[@BokBarber]

As they spin out all their tires you can hear their MagnaFlows And-so-can-the-po-po.

[@Shiruvan]

Glory glory hallelujah, another Mustang crashed

[@ragingfred]

He's losing all his traction in his terrible 5.0 He's heading traffic on.

[@Earnest_walkins]

My scat pack is faster than my 03 mach 1 but my mach is so much sketchier. Less power but absolutely no help lol

[@lsh3rd]

It's the crap 4 link stock rear suspension.... but it doesn't explain why so many '05 and up cars are crashing.

[@Earnest_walkins]

@@lsh3rd the 4 link is garbage, and why so many crash is because stupidity. Most mustang owners are dumb or young or both.

[@lsh3rd]

@@Earnest_walkins I got mine when I was young... 29 years later it still not crashed! Still saving my pennies to get rid of the 4 link.

[@Earnest_walkins]

@@lsh3rd the 4 link can be fixed with a panhard bar, a 3 link is always better but unless you are taking the thing to spa, why do it?

[@Rspsand07]

@@lsh3rd Dumb kids look for a cheap car that their grandma doesn't drive, find the mustang, spend all their money on it, run tires that were already done 8 years ago cuz they can't afford new ones, slam the gas coming off a FWD drive car in a curve, and off they go into the curb. I drove a 01 for over 10 years in Canada. I'm not even a good driver, but if it can drive just fine in deep snow, ice, and soaked roads from all of it melting, and the shitty Canadian roads which are basically all pothole, it's 100% driver error. I think they would actually crash less if they learned on one, because they'd start off more cautious and actually learn the car before they get confident. But since most will probably drive their parents cars for a few years before buying their own, they go hard and confident, before figuring out it's RWD and not a Hyundai Accent.

[@maxeluy]

I love that now 300hp is "just"

[@DrewLSsix]

Mini vans came with that lol.

[@ndautomotive]

You can still have plenty of fun with 300 hp in a light car.

[@jonathanryan2915]

I remember when 300hp cost a lot of money or a bunch of expensive engine mods

[@maxeluy]

@@ndautomotive you could have fun with 100hp in a light car, a Caterham/Lotus Seven with a Ford Crossflow engine is a good example.

[@ndautomotive]

@@maxeluy Some of the most fun I've ever had in a car, was in 75hp junker VW Golf stripped almost to bare shell. So yeah, sometimes hp is overrated when it comes to power to fun ratio.

[@AR_P71]

The tremec 3650 was also used in the last half of Sn-95 New Edge cars: '02-04 I believe. The S197 seats are also miles better. They can be very easily bolted onto existing Sn-95 seat rails.

[@kf7bqz]

They switched over to the 3650 towards the end of 01. I had an 01 made in august and it was a tr3650 car.

[@Robyne_u61]

Yeah i want to put s197 seats on my sn so bad

[@GuitarFreak881]

My 98' GT has a T-45 5-speed (also in the 99'-01' GT and 96'-99' Cobra (I think..) ) and it is a SOLID trans. Reverse can be tricky because it doesn't have synchros, but pretty much any Tremic trans kept beneath engine torque spec is amazing.

[@angelgjr1999]

@@GuitarFreak881 As a wise man once said “first into 5th, then to reverse!”. I have an 03 GT and I have to put it into 5th then into reverse. :)

[@GuitarFreak881]

@@angelgjr1999 that's exactly what I have to do. I laugh when other people can't figure it out and get it in reverse haha.

[@cjpilla1202]

People just give it full gas when turning right from a stop sign. I handles a pretty sporty and I’ve had fun on the twisties. Be careful in the rain tho. This engine has some serious power in the torque

[@JudahGoat]

I let my mustang go two years ago and I'm shocked at just how much I miss it. I want another one badly.

[@murkinstock]

Yeah I sold my foxbody years ago and still talk about it. It was a blast to drive.

[@silvertbird1]

Come back to Mustang. I have a 2020 and really enjoy it. But I’m late 50’s so drive it sanely…most of the time.

[@blakeb.8525]

Mustangs don’t crash. People crash mustangs.

[@natea8911]

Exactly. Mustangs demand experienced drivers to drive.

[@TakkoSaur]

@@natea8911 And a lot of teens who don't know shit abt the car get handed it, and end up being stupid, reckless, and careless. I'm 18 with a 2012 v6 and I've never been stupid enough to lose control of the car or try stupid shit on public roads, another kid I know who's also 18 got handed a 2013 v6 from his parents and he's crashed it twice in under a year... really makes me disappointed that ppl like that give everyone else a bad rap :/

[@natea8911]

@@TakkoSaur Yeah. If you want to go fast or try dumb shit then take it to a track. There's zero reason to put yourself and everyone else around you in danger.

[@madfun510]

For real and where's my half life 4 at lol

[@TestECull]

Yup. There's nothing wrong with the car and everything wrong with the idiots that can't drive getting into them.

[@IOUaUsername]

Mustangs got their name from the P51. Ford did it also with the F4-U Corsair, and most recently the Raptor (named after the F22). So the real thing we've got to wonder is: how long until they release a self driving car called the Predator?

[@EmyrDerfel]

People being killed by a semi-autonomous system is not the marketing department will want to evoke when naming their self-driving car.

[@just_zone]

.... Thunderbolt!

[@bizooty]

Predator is the name of the engine in the new GT500's

[@cadeng8168]

@@just_zone Fuck it. Warthog.

[@honkhonk8009]

A car named Corsair, Iroqouis, ghost rider, reaper

[@anthonybielobockie4991]

v8 torque comes on as fast as air can get from the throttle to the cylinders, AKA instantly and that torque is from idle to recline. RWD cars oversteer when the tires spin, FWD understeer. So they require more skill and restraint.

[@robertstone9988]

You have a inexpensive rear wheel drive car that inexperienced younger drivers can easily afford. I imagine a lot more WRX get wrecked then WRX STIs. The cheaper entry level cars are going to get wrecked more because they're bought more by inexperienced drivers not that money buys you talent but generally by the time you have money you're older and you have experience... generally.

[@hershellumiere]

I love this car. So glad I got mine. Mid mounted mufflers is how you make these sound like the Cobra's from the 90s.

[@Sammitche]

I just upgraded to a 2014 Roush Stage 3 (an s197 for those who aren't familiar) after 3 years of owning a 2014 V6 Mustang and everything he said here was spot on lol. These cars are a ton of fun but it isn't because it handles the best or accelerates the fastest. There's just something about hammering down on the throttle and the rear end kicking out ever so slightly and the chassis bucking (in a good way) that makes you feel like you're driving something that's just more analog than it is. If you ever get the chance I highly recommend driving one, it's definitely unlike anything else that's gonna be made from here on out.

[@mrivantchernegovski3869]

People crash because they run out of talent and out drive their skill level

[@AE86FTS]

My neighbor has a manual S197 GT. He has had it since as early as I can remember and he still has it today

[@joshuakhaos4451]

I have an 09 Glassroof GT and it still looks so damn good. They have aged way better than their SN95 brethren before them. The New Edge Mustangs always looked good of taken care of, But in the early 2010s. They really looked dated. Especially when the 2013 redesign came about and then the 2015. But the 05-09 S197s just seem to never age that bad to me, I look at mine and just adore its looks even though its 13 years old. And is still in fairly nice condition considering its lived as a outside and daily life for the nearly 5 years I've owned it. It's got some paint fade on its bumpers(A common issue with those years), Scratches and a few dents from seeing actual road use and multiple road trips, and Very Cracked Glass roof Panel thanks to some psycho Vet dude who hated my out of state plate and now currently a botched clutch job. I'm really wanting to get another cheap daily so I can begin to but My S197 back to how I found it after pulling the cover off at the guys house where I got it from.

[@DarkShadows-me2fj]

@@joshuakhaos4451 glass roof? Nice, man. I’ve got a 2008 mustang and I agree, the look is timeless.

[@kablooey2369]

Recipe for a crash: Rain, no traction control, carbuerated instant torque V8. Spun out mid intersection in a long-bed c10 and just barely avoided an accident. I am indeed a youngster :-)

[@silvertbird1]

I think the rear end redesign helped with this, my 2020 Mustang seems fairly sure-footed, but may just be that I don’t push it beyond my driving skills (but driving since 1983 so there’s that). Good info, interesting.

[@FireAngelZero]

Okay… makes sense for 18 y/o’s that crash their mustangs… what about all the mid life crisis buyers that crash their ‘stangs?

[@archonix]

same reason the mid-life crisis motorcycle buyers crash their brand new hyperbikes. they're coming from lower power or more controllable vehicles and wildly over-estimate their abilities.

[@Valks-22]

As a European I love the idea of an average 'youngster' coming off a Fiesta/Focus ST/RS with 'only 200-300hp' and not a 75hp Fiesta, 1.4L VW Polo or a hand-down 15 year old 2.0l turbodiesel Passat. If it had 200+hp it was a 15-20 y.o. bmw or a hot-hatch with the sketchiest MOT pass stories ;)

[@rolux4853]

@@Valks-22 yeah I’m german and I’m just baffled by that way of thinking. It boarders on American decadence.. I live in the country of unlimited speed limits and my first car was a Opel Corsa B with a 1.0 liter 3 cylinder engine! (btw something like this or a Polo 6n with 60hp is the absolut norm for 18 year old germans and not just people from low income homes) That thing made 50hp and rattled like an old Diesel because the 3 cylinder was so imbalanced. After 5 years I bought a Skoda Oktavia wagon with the 1.6 Liter 4 cylinder that produces 101hp. Man I felt like I finally stepped up into being a „man“ because 100hp really was considered something good! After that I bought a BMW 330 with the 3.0 liter straight six and 231hp. Everyone told me how insanely much that is and that nobody will ever need that much power for driving around regular roads (which of course includes the Autobahn in Germany). Thinking about 18 year olds having that much power is just insane! How did a society got carried away so much that this is considered totally normal? Especially in a country where it’s prohibited to drive fast and if you do, you face draconian measures if you’re caught. Again, I can’t find any other words but „excess“ and „decadence“ for such kind of behavior. Nonetheless I’m an absolute sucker for american muscle cars, but not as childs toys!

[@pdegnan4852]

@@rolux4853 : As a Pennsylvania native - Don't worry, most 16-18 years aren't driving around what he was describing. Also, something else he isn't talking about : Nobody is driving Fiesta STs or Focus RSes because you can't get them with automatic transmissions. The "take rate" (as the industry groups call it) of manual trans cars in the U.S. is like 2-3% at the absolute most. In the U.S., neither teens nor adults can even operate a car with a manual transmission for the most part, let alone own something like a Fiesta ST or RS. The new autos with big power numbers in high-volume are now mostly in pickup trucks (which almost none of them can be had with a manual now) and premium trim crossovers The people with the Scat Pack Challengers and Mustang Mach 1's are either : Dudes in their 20's that are leasing them and/or taking an insane-o financing plan along with the soul crushing insurance costs for somebody driving a muscle car that's under 25 years old, or older men in their 40's and up that could probably write a check for the car if they wanted to. I worked for public school systems until about 2 years ago (18 years altogether in that world), and in most high school student parking lots you saw hand-me-down crossovers, sedans, and the like. Only the rich kids had new cars, and even then they were usually Lexus, Acura, and occasional BMW/Merc's with the bottom tier engines (because they didn't want their kids to stuff the car into a tree) Mr. R spends a lot of his time in the section of Pennsylvania known as Berks County. 2010 data puts the median income of a household around $55,000.00 USD/year. A 2021 Mustang GT brand new is in the low 30's... so yea, nobody's parents are buying those new for themselves, let alone their kids I still like Mr. R's stuff, but he's 100% into the world of the automotive journalist echo chamber. What most of those folks perceive to be reality isn't remotely close to it.

[@Gazdatronik]

The boomer folks are coming out of Maximas, Tauruses and Equinoxes

[@thehastywombat]

I wouldn’t be just limping this on ‘youngsters’, there’s plenty of boomers and Gen X’ers that can’t control these things for the life of them. They grew up with cars that couldn’t pull the skin of a rice pudding… into a car that can at will spin the wheels. And that’s how we have Cars & Coffees videos.

[@Xmvw2X]

Mustangs crash because Ford's idea of sports car suspension is Cadillac levels of softness and under damping. And they choose not to over gear 1st unlike other big engine sports cars, so it will happily break traction in 1st and to some degree 2nd with just throttle. The soft setup and lack of damping means the car terribly, terribly controls its weight and inertia. Newer ones have gotten better, but it's the fundamental way Ford builds the Mustang. I've driven and raced everything from a Civic to a Viper. The Mustang is the most dangerous car I've driven. I want to repeat that. The Mustang is the most dangerous car I've driven. It can be driven hard. It can be driven well. But it has to be driven with care and deliberate choice. If you want it to behave, you have to know how physics works and know how to handle the car. You have to understand this stuff to understand what to do and not do. Or you'll just spin out and crash or something. At an autocross event I was riding along with a fellow with a brand new Mustang (last gen) he owned for all of two weeks. His first lap he started sliding and put two tires in the grass. His second lap he spun it completely 180 around through an S. I hop into the driver's seat and do a couple laps. I'll say one thing. It's probably the funnest car I've driven, in the stupid fun kind of way. You launch and spin the tires through the first couple gears with no real effort. There's enough communication to drive it ok near the limit and even drift a little bit if you want (the handling is neutral enough to let you do it). But holy cow is the thing just softly sprung and has no damping to control the body. This car had the upgraded "track pack" too, so it was the stiff suspension setup. It was still ridiculously soft. You had to manage the back end all the time and be very deliberate with steering inputs and not be fast about it either. Everything you did with the car was about chassis control, aka you controlling the chassis motion because the suspension wouldn't. It's pretty stupid to release a car like this. The thing is so easy to crash if you don't know anything.

[@blackrat1228]

Mustangs got famous for mowing down crowds back with the fox body which carried over to the SN95. Old budget platform that was tasked to do too many things on all ends of the auto spectrum from pony car to sedan commuter, people would end up doubling the output they came with and be surprised when it wasn't able to handle it. I don't see the newer ones crashing any more often than their competition.

[@Averagegunenthusiast]

I guess for me I grew up with no help and rear wheel drive, I have a 14 coyote car and I found it very easy to control. I was used to stuffing built engines in 60s era trucks with leaf springs though so that was my baseline.

[@joshuakhaos4451]

The Live axel Mustangs arent actually that hard to control in stock form really, Its only when you get way to confident and over inflate your ego, do they seem to bite pretty badly. I've had no problem sliding my 09 S197 around corners or recovering the loss of traction after a burnout or donut. If you stay calm and collected, You're golden.

[@overtorque]

There were a few magazines that said, "driving the new 2005 Mustang is almost like driving a first gen Viper."

[@josephhowerton8878]

I have a 2007 3v GT and a 2013 3.7 V6 both are running similar setups (whiteline panhard and sway bars + lowering spring and koni strut shock) both like to still fishtail if you're ignorant with the throttle. The 2013 3.7 actually gets a little more hp to the wheels than the older 3v but its also running a pretty aggressive 93/88 tune a few more "mods".

[@AR_P71]

Nick and Brian: you should compare this S197 to a New Edge Mach 1 or the early New Edge Cobras - the NA 4v motors. They made similar power figures - 300-320 - but generally weigh less and with cruder rear suspension. I'd especially like your take on the comparative forms of "retro": the mach 1 styling package retro vs the s197 inherent retro.

[@ToobxSox]

They make similar power but the power band is bland. The 4.6 3v has variable valve timing which makes it feel more alive. Although it falls on its face as soon as you shift to third just like the other 4.6s, but not as bad. Ford finally got it right with the coyote, it just keeps going

[@alonzopatrick752]

There really is no comparison. Although they made similar power figures they are completely different cars when it comes to driving feel, seating position, and powerband. From owning a 07 gt and 97 cobra the 3V is so much more fun but you can’t beat the sound of a 4V cobra.

[@ppaauull3854]

The new edge is an infinitely better car than the s197

[@elongatedpikachu4029]

My first car was a fox body 5.0 convertible. The first time I disrespected that car I wound up in between to trees on somebody’s lawn. Driving off that lawn changed me as a driver lmao. I thought my dad was gonna kick my ass because there was a huge ass chip missing out of the passenger rear wheel. Lucky for me he was doing so much blow he didn’t know if he did it or not.

[@mathewhumvee]

Most people I know who have had mustangs or driven them. They all say it’s not first gear, it’s the second gear slam shift that gets them spun out. There used to cars having no wheel spin past first, maybe a chirp in second. And 90% of them have never driven (outside a pick up or suv) a rear wheel drive car. You can have any mouth breather smoking tires in a front wheel drive car and most of the time nothing crazy will happen. But in the mustang, there not used to a rear wheel drive car, that has a limited slip, and can smoke tires through 1,2, and even 3. Combine that with a very low price to play and you got a machine that loves to hit crowed of people.

[@Cobra_427]

weirdly enough my Mustang only chirps 2nd when it's dry, granted I leave the traction control on but hearing that chirp is so satisfying

[@Soap_Bar]

I wonder if this is an issue with a standard trans. I have a 2010 GT Premium 5spd auto (not as cool, sure), but as my first RWD car with decent power, I specifically chose an auto. It can spin, but not as easily. Makes me wonder if its a standard trans that causes the wheel spin so much easier

[@nowiecoche]

As a somewhat youngster, the '94 Wrangler was my manual learning vehicular. That huge torquey, rear drive Regular described on the Mustang seemed so similar to how I felt when I drove the Wrangler. Oh yes, definitely beware of the rear wheel power that can outmaneuver your steering.

[@loribass4829]

Same dont be ashamed brother..wear that poverty with pride.and they wonder why we have to brag..😂

[@odoemena8]

I’ll be honest man I am in my second stang and I got to say that people drive weird when they see a mustang on the road ....there’s a lot of jealousy with these cars man

[@stephen3164]

Everyone tries to drag race you, no matter what they are driving, and no matter how you are driving!

[@GuitarFreak881]

You HAVE to respect the car for what it is. That is what makes a true "driver's car".. Traction control, stability control, AWD, etc. takes away from you and the actual car... Yes the solid rear axle and the soft suspension doesn't help...but it is a good teacher when it comes to rear wheel drive, all aids off driver's car.

[@Steven-rn1oo]

I have an almost brand new mustang GT and the traction control doesn't really help in the newer cars either. I can get REALLY sideways without turning off traction control. When I first got the thing I accidentally went sideways twice. My girlfriend accidentally got sideways last week and now refuses to drive it lol.

[@Jakobly]

y’all gonna buy a new 4runner? or are you saving up for a rust-free used one?

[@seanlo941]

2014

[@Jakobly]

i guess a 2014 4runner is the same as the 2021 model, toyota must really hate paying for R&D on new designs lol

[@albertcamus6214]

A low mileage rust free used 4runner is approximately 1 billion dollars

[@garrisonnichols807]

4:03 And there you have it folks! Good Luck indeed 😊

[@harambethegorilla7617]

This video tickled my ear

[@obsoleteoptics]

Hold the traction control button down to turn off stability control

[@johnbyram3116]

The 05-09 cars don't have stability control

[@drewjehoich3100]

Mr. Regular, I recently picked up a 2014 S197 GT recently and asked the same question. I realized the car is absolutely easy to control (traction control/AdvanceTrac is a joke). Burnouts, drifts, etc... are really easy to control, so how to people wind these up in crowds? I think I've come to the conclusion they don't practice proper throttle control. (I also ride a Yamaha R6, which I feel has disciplined my throttle inputs) Once the tires are spinning, there is enough torque to keep them spinning with minimal throttle input, but everyone seems to just go full throttle and turn into the crowd monster they're known to be. Great vid.

[@uptownsamcv]

I totaled my friend's 2015 GT, step on it he said, keep going he said. I didn't see the oncoming roundabout until I was doing XX5. ABS didn't leave any tire marks so the police had no idea how fast I was going. oh yeah, the car called 911 automaticaly!

[@muthatrucker6485]

They lack caster, they have about 4 degrees. Might as well be a horse driven cart. Up it to 7 degrees and you can't spin out

[@stephen3164]

STi and S197 owner here - accurate. The S197 has all the torque, instantly. As soon as that clutch pedal is out, you’re just handed the power and the car is like “Here’s what you asked for - good luck!” Also that torque and exhaust note, it just begs you to drive like an idiot. But the real issue is turning. The car is unforgiving. You make a right turn from a stop and try to give it too much throttle, that back end is going to try to pass you. Pull out in to traffic on a busy road - you know you have the power to do it, but if you use that power too soon, it bites you. Most other cars you can just gun it and turn and nothing very special happens. Maybe a little fwd wheel spin. The C6 is a scalpel. Faster, more balanced. The S197 is a broad sword. Once swinging, it’s gonna swing!

[@trollcare3311]

In the Immortal words of Dark Souls... YOU DIED! GET GUD!

[@simpsonfan13]

Mr. Regular's touches are SO TIGHT

[@thestarlightalchemist7333]

As an "owner-ish" of a Chevy Colorado V6, I know that much power and more torque in a light rwd chassis is something to handle with extreme caution. To be honest, I'd prefer the Mustang over the Colorado simply because it's smaller.

[@brandonsever2576]

People crash these things because they're awful cars. You can literally feel the rear axles wiggling around under you during a hard shift. One of the worst feeling chassis of any car, and it's embarrassing for ford that they were being produced at the same time as some incredible cars like the e46 3 series and 350z

[@corvettekiller96]

I'll never understand why people wreck them, especially compared to a camaro or Mopar. You can take a kid put them in a catfish camaro and tell them to launch it and they will almost certainly lose it. Put them in a new edge and it almost drives itself. Comparatively they're insanely easier to screw around in. The fact is their cheaper and people just can't drive no matter what their in.

[@TheCdM1981]

The 4.6 S197 is not in any way comparable to a C6 corvette. Maybe once you hit the coyote gen in 2011 yes in regards to the feel you get from it. Lastly everything you’re saying, yes is true in regards to why people crash Mustangs. But the biggest reason is simple the tires kids and adults alike use are trash. Most are using summer only tires not knowing or understanding you can’t or shouldn’t use them in cold weather and have zero grip and the other group is just using cheap tires. My advice is buy a set of summer and a set of quality all seasons.

[@F2007KR]

I run Pilot Sport AS4s on my Mustang year round. If it’s good enough to be OE on the C8, it’s good enough for me.

[@TheCdM1981]

@@F2007KR yeah that’s not true. The C8 has pilot 4S’ specifically made by Michelin for Chevy for the C8. The compound is different than what you have and the ones on a C8 are a “3 season” tire va the regular 4s summer tire. This is fact btw and was announced by Chevy during their keynote for the C8. So yes the 4s’ are amazing tires no the rule you applied does not apply to this scenario.

[@F2007KR]

@@TheCdM1981 the base Stingray has AS4 ZP version developed specially for it. Z51 package gets the 4S. Once again, not counting for any minor differences in tire size and run flat rubber, the AS4 is a great tire that can be used year round. I’ve had 4S and AS4s on my Mustang. The AS4 got year round use, and the real differences between the two sets didn’t show themselves unless I was driving like a fool. The Pilot Sport AS4 is that good.

[@TheCdM1981]

@@F2007KR you do realize “year round” is very vague and every state has a different winter. What’s winter and acceptable to drive with those tires in Florida for example is not in Boston. You can’t daily those tires in 20 degree weather. Under 40 is dangerous and under 32 will most likely crack the rubber. In regards to the “regular” 4s’.

[@F2007KR]

@@TheCdM1981 I drove my AS4s in snowy conditions during the winter freeze in Texas. They did well enough all things considered. And they were inspected afterwards. They held up fine all the way down to 7 degrees Fahrenheit. And they were inspected afterwards, no cracks, perfectly fine.

[@TakkoSaur]

I'm 18 now, I was 17 when I bought my 2012 v6, and i'll hopefully be getting a 2014 GT next year. even though the v6 only makes 280tq and 310hp to the crank, it was definitely something I doubt I would've been able to learn to drive very well in if I didn't know a decent bit abt the car and the live rear axle and so on. I haven't even got a single ticket yet, so let's hope if I get my gt, I don't have too much fun and end up with my first one hahah

[@stephen3164]

2 seconds of poor decision making can result in having a really bad day in a GT. You drop a couple gears and pin that throttle on the highway, you’ll soon be going a lot faster than you intended to!

[@TakkoSaur]

@@stephen3164 yep, I've seen it happen before, speed just means you have less time to react, and small mistakes turn into life-changing ones. That's why I never do stupid shit on public roads, we have a drag strip near where I live and despite my car not exactly being the fastest, It's still a blast and so much safer.

[@T.Riddle]

traction control lets you burn tires as long as you don't steer. Also the diff is very iffy when it wants to lock up. it locks when it wants to so. yea.

[@ianashmore9910]

No mention of the solid rear axle?

[@Harv72b]

Dammit, had I known the washer was included I would've bought many mugs.

[@robsolf]

IMO, the traction control on the S197 makes it worse. It cuts power when you're out of shape and going the wrong direction, making it harder to change that situation. Now I drive with it off, which lets you give it some throttle to transfer weight to the rear wheels. If that doesn't happen, the back end keeps sliding right, and your nose points ever more toward oncoming traffic and responds less to corrective steering even as you need it more and more. With TCS off, I can make a left, poke the gas just a little more than halfway through, just as I start straightening out. This slides the back end to parallel the road just as you straighten out the front. Been doing that for years with my '06 GT and it always works predictably and flawlessly. UNLESS TCS is on...

[@N3ilCrox]

The Boss 302 from the 2010's onwards for me feels nice to drive

[@danielmarek4609]

Because the car has always been really popular there are a lot of them. Driver error is the main reason for the Mustang crashes that you see. I can't believe how many crashes I see where all the driver needed to do was lift their foot off the gas and they don't.

[@user-tj3et5ep6t]

Mustangs don’t crash… drivers do.

[@douglomax7461]

2015 Mustang Coyote driver here ---- We ought to be thankful for the inexperienced Mustanfg drivers that wreck their ponies for our enjoyment... otherwise we would be wasting our time watching Hellcats run from the cops....

[@andrewmayer2443]

s197 folks, take out your rear sway bar. plants the rear end of the car, and it won’t step out without you really trying. i drive a 3.73 rear end 3.7, and it behaves now

[@alphawolf4714]

The S197 line V6 open diff or nodded 8.8 lsd is a mechanized system. Experience and practice are the only things that will grant you control. But... That's because Ford went old school mechanical. That's a breath of fresh air for enthusiasts who plan to mod. But for a beginner... The fly-by-wire throttle delay and mechanical reactions are overwhelming for younger generations. That's OUR fault though. We didn't teach younger enthusiasts the power and importance of mechanical response. The V6 has a reinforced lower end FOR modification. It's durable and balanced... And directly tied to throttle and gas. We need to teach the importance of action vs. Reaction.

[@ADDOOOMZZ]

Its a faulty traction control system...even a pro drifter said that...pulled the fuse...fixed the issue...video is up here on youtube look it up...

[@stephenmitchell9024]

If you know how to drive a high-performance car and you get to know the car, there is no reason you can't handle an S197. I have an '09 GT and I've never had a problem keeping it headed in the right direction. If you learned how to drive with old school hotrods, you shouldn't have any problem driving a Mustang. Many performance cars of the 60s and 70s used live rear axles.

[@EffequalsMA]

The s197 was the perfection of what Mustang had been since 1964 but, it's surprisingly competent if you do know what you're doing....and it's a brilliant road trip car.....and finally ditching the fox chassis.

[@joshuakhaos4451]

My S197 is such a nice car for road trips, It eats miles with 0 issues. The S197s sweet spot on the interstate is 85-95 and will do that all day effortlessly. And they are pretty comfortable as well on those long hauls. And if you have the Glassroof option, You have tons of light inside the cabin and a great view of some of the terrain depending on where you are in the country.

[@josephmendez6217]

I saw one of these drifting towards me in the rain the other day. The drift was so clean, the car looked tastefully modified., I actually had no worries about my safety. Just because some people wreck these doesn't mean they aren't capable in the right hands.

[@thepharoah3811]

I'm honestly upset that this wasn't a 10 second video of Mr.Regular going "Observe" and then crashing the car into a croud of pedestrians as he tried to peel out.

[@hudsondonnell444]

Because when you pass your driver's license test, you are still not a driver.

[@KLNMRJ]

Smiles per dollar 💵 🎉 love that!!!! Just got 24 GT - dollar per smile definitely worth it 🤙

[@pgtmr2713]

Live axle and soft suspension. Most of the time screwing around you're fine. But, if you get into tank slapper oscilations, that's where it eats crowds.

[@TestECull]

Nope. Bad drivers. There's nothing wrong with the car. People who have no business controlling something with 105HP to the front wheels are getting in these things and thinking they're hot shit are why these cars crash.

[@pgtmr2713]

@@TestECull What do you mean nope? It's exactly what happens, and it doesn't happen in F-bodies as often or in Mustangs everytime. It shouldn't happen at all in IRS cars. It's not just a rear end stepping out.

[@TestECull]

@@pgtmr2713 Bad drivers are why these things eat shit and there's thousands of clips of much fancier cars doing the same shit for the same reason. Bimmers, R35s, Corvettes, whatever you care to name you can find a clip of an idiot tankslapping it off the road because they dont know how to control a high power car. It isnt the car. Its the dumbass driving it.

[@pgtmr2713]

@@TestECull It's not JUST the dumbass driver. It happens a lot to Mustangs, which generally have less power. Just calling people dumbasses doesn't solve the problem or educate the dumbasses. Modellsport? Is that 1:24 or 1:18 scale ;-).

[@RCXDerp]

@@pgtmr2713 Even with IRS I still get very sideways in my GT350 being dumb

[@WyWorks]

I bought a mug. Who wouldn't want a $50 drift car?

[@fredwilliams7893]

It should be illegal to wear sunglasses like that in public!

[@harryjohnson8605]

S197 much respect. Mature Audience

[@jehb8945]

It's S-one-ninety-seven or at least out here in Illinois

[@rolux4853]

Did anybody understand anything? That thing droned out every single word Brian said

[@rolux4853]

@Scroto T Baggins are you listening through your phone or a good pair of speakers/headphones? With the built in speaker of a phone/iPad it’s not a problem, because they can’t reproduce the low frequencies of this video. But if your device is hooked up to something more potent, the droning bass frequencies overlay everything. That’s the problem if you invest in good speakers/headphones. At some point you can very obviously hear if there are recording or mixing errors present. It can ruin you favorite song forever..

[@billyray4716]

Before you even start, it's because they're the cheapest used v8 coupes with manual transmissions. That's it, that's the whole reason lol. When it comes to new sports cars, it's obvious that dudes in 370s and chargers are the worst

[@jacobotero6577]

It's funny how this is all perspective on what you've driven. My s197 vert is miles ahead my foxbody which was my first car. The foxbody taught me to respect the torque and rawness of these cars. Very unforgiving

[@KROMO50]

Who walks?

[@ChristianCampbellDiaz]

5:00 Mr Regular's touch... oh yes!

[@blakerobinson8]

I didn’t have the patience to listen through the drone but my impression would be 2 central reasons: 1)variety/cheapness 2)Pan hard bar shifting balance to one side abruptly

[@thomastodd6728]

I have a C4 Corvette and you cannot spend the tires with traction control on

[@TheExaltedHerobrine]

It’s obviously the driver cuz the mustang is gonna not work with the driver if the driver is being reckless

[@Kevinb1821]

I love my old mustang gt and best advice I can give is dont show off. Nobody else cares. I drive it because I enjoy it. Don't be stupid. If you are gonna accelerate hard. Don't step on it till the cars straight and dont even think about going fast when the road is wet.

[@Cobra_427]

yep I tried to go fast on a wet road once and felt the rear end start to kick out instantly at 30MPH, all my car has under the hood is a CAI, so it may as well be stock, managed to keep it in my lane because I knew that letting off would straighten it back out

[@raamyasharahla535]

Better yet if possible don’t even drive it when it’s wet🤣

[@jeremywatson9129]

So when you guys doing the drawing for the winner.

[@upsidedowndog1256]

Mustangs don't crash themselves. Low skilled drivers do. Just like any firearm is not dangerous until an untrained or deranged person picks it up and misuses it. My 450+ HP Fox body is a nice car to drive, just don't be an idiot.

[@Marc816]

Because when bookworms get to drive 'Stangs, they think that they can be Frank Bullitt!!!!

[@1flynlow]

because they go WOT when the have sideways momentum

[@Shaggie_Thrills]

Never felt more attacked as I myself am a focus st owner looking to a get a mustang 😂😂😂

[@Cobra_427]

I'd say get used to the platform before you drive it hard, this was my first manual and while I had a 190HP V6 Charger I would slide in the rain I was nervous as hell the first few months in the Mustang, just don't give it power mid-turn and for the most part you should be fine, I took my time to warm up to the car before going balls to the wall but that's just what I did

[@raamyasharahla535]

The door’s 👉🏿 that way 🤣

[@aceburgers8801]

Did previous owner install a tremec?

[@theysayisagorilla]

Its understeer and the ridiculous torque combined.

[@joshievids70]

I took my driver test in my dads whipple s550 lol makes 800 hp

[@Sillyzombie666]

i want to support you but $50 for a mug is abit much, i dont even care about the raffle. i wanted to buy more of the motto look ke tags but those seem to be gone

[@johnseavey6622]

The wheel base is too short

[@Ancientcaptain]

I'm not sure I would buy a used Mustang GT only because everybody i know to has owned one has dogged it out to the point of junk 😂

[@everythinggtmedia6369]

I’m pretty sure when you was editing the video. You heard how horrible the audio was.

[@Irketable]

I had to turn down my bass all the way down to hear him over the drone

[@IamTheaveragegamer]

Little Confused, the deadline to enter is the 13th but this video was uploaded on the 13th, is that right?

[@andyking894]

Mustang is truth, and people can't handle the truth.

[@OG_Honda_Grom]

Damn I got completely roasted lol went from mustang to ST but I could always drive used to whip that mustang outta the high school lot, ST is wayyyy faster with bolt ons though turbo goes stutuutututu

[@rustygriswald2927]

Bull shit mustangs crash cause they ain't cowboys that can handle that beast

[@nrken1]

Respect the power!

[@2LaneTraveler]

My assumption is "operator error".