Remember When Torchwood Ripped Off Goosebumps?

[@HarboWholmes]

Yes I know about Chibnall and Jodie leaving www.patreon.com/harbowholmes

[@user-jn1wm3tb8v]

Fandom Beware, you're in for a scare.

[@flyhyland]

They are!? YES!! :D :D

[@hannahkenney6846]

5:52 - 6:10 Interesting you said that cause he has in fact played a Sarah Jane villain by the name of The Nightmare Man I’ve not seen Torchwood but his performance in SJA was good for a kids show anyway creepy and had a slimy like quality to him

[@maikidot]

CHINBALLS IS DONE AFTER ONE DOCTOR LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOO

[@TripleJumpYTP]

No you don't no you don't no you don't!!!!!1!!1!1!

[@commissarcry64]

I've always thought that Torchwood isn't Doctor Who for adults, it's Sarah Jane Adventures for adults, this episode really shows that I think it was so campy. But maybe all us grownups need a bit of that

[@HiperPivociarz]

I think that campiness was inherit to the era of the show. The parent show was like this too.

[@Venemofthe888]

I think having serious episodes is good but once in a while you just want to have a little fun with a show. Like this episode is a little fun while also being scary and having high stakes too. It shows a balance can be made but hard to maintain

[@commissarcry64]

@@Venemofthe888 I totally agree, serious episodes (like literally all of children of earth) can be incredible. It's good to space them out with breather episodes to show the team being friends, it makes the inevitable sadness when someone is killed off (OWEN WHY) more impactful

[@sleepwalking3345]

Thats a really good point i never thought if it like that!

[@salsylexhagen7423]

1. Go to work. 2. Watch some Torchwood.

[@kaialexander6806]

If there's one thing I appreciate about this episode is how it gave Gareth David-Lloyd a chance to really show how good of an actor he is.

[@silverdoe3658]

He’s so underrated, such a shame

[@erinella]

Honestly you say the cast was misused in this episode but I enjoyed Ianto's bigger part in this one. Part of his character, which we learn in CoE, is that he actually lied and kept his private life in secret. But it felt like From Out of the Rain gave us insight into a part of him that wasn't a lie or a farce to stop people asking him questions in the form of his excitement at the Electro. How the Ringmaster just appears out of nowhere and vulcan death grips him to let go of the flask is frustrating though but then there was a lot that could have been done better here. For all its flaws, I appreciate the character work on Ianto here.

[@sleepwalking3345]

Yeah i completely agree! It makes me sad that despite everything, Ianto is still almost a stranger to the team

[@erinella]

@@sleepwalking3345 He is so underused throughout the entire programme and its so unfortunate. He's my favourite character!

[@DanTheMan2150AD]

It’s so odd seeing Julian Bleach without the Davros makeup, but he does put in one great performance here.

[@johannvongenerico9487]

He's also great in Sarah Jane Adventures as the Nightmare Man

[@Venemofthe888]

@@johannvongenerico9487 he looks a little like the joker in sarah jane adventures

[@jackyzimmerman]

It’s odd seeing him out of makeup period. He does a lot of experimental theatre, working with puppets and masks among other things, and it’s always ingeniously creepy. Criminally underrated actor.

[@nicolebee3283]

I really loved Ianto’s giddiness at the electro

[@KrisFrost4359]

I find it funny that Julian Bleach played a similar character on Sarah Jane Adventures two years later but did it much better. That SJA was also darker than this episode, somehow. This was still an okay episode, though.

[@SkyPerson]

I was so confused as to what the Circus was and why they could “escape” the film, but now I realise that it’s a similar power to the “Image of an Angel becomes itself an Angel” power.

[@Lia-uf1ir]

I must say, I'm surprised. I thought this would land on the Defending the Despised list...I quite like it even tho or maybe because it's not comparatively great. But that comes down to taste, I think. Very much enjoyed your review, Harbo. Great work. :)

[@Redboots]

tbh this episode is great because of the historical accuracy in the costumes. the costume designers did so well

[@evanbalfour1743]

“Don’t die please” had me in stitches the first time I watched this

[@evanhanley6437]

Based on the premise and ideas alone, this should have been an exceptional episode. Such a shame.

[@bowlerhatfilmsandreviews2778]

What bugged me about this ep when i saw it first time is that the ending of the previous episode made me think this episode would be about the Torchwood team having to make do without Gwen when she's away on her Honeymoon; but then this episode just opens up with her allready back and i'm like "well that was a lost opportunity"

[@xenon8117]

2:45 Flashback to Super Hans in The Shakespear Code. 6:40 Better call in House for a Diagnostic then, maybe it’s Lupus.

[@Walkermatt3]

I love how you keep mentioning the episode being like a scrapped Sarah Jane Adventures script with Jonathan's apartment just being the Bannerman Road attic set redressed

[@GlorianaLovejoy]

More than anything else, this episode instantly reminded me of Ray Bradbury's "Something Wicked This Way Comes". The opening had me so psyched, but yeah, it was kind of a mess. I will always appreciate the sight of old-timey Jack in a circus act, though.

[@lozzamarie]

When I was younger, this was the episode my grandad put on tv (because I love doctor who) which was my introduction to torchwood but honestly I had no idea the target audience was adults 😅 that was.. until I watched Day One - luckily not with my grandad 😬😂

[@gsam2021]

16:10 It's Jackson Lake's son from The Next Doctor

[@TommyLednorMusic]

Fun fact: Julian Bleach is one of the few actors to appear in every series of the doctor who universe (except class 🥵😂) - the Nightmare Man in SJA, Ghostmaker in Torchwood, and Bigg Davros in DW :)

[@theentity5201]

I personally enjoyed it tbh Julian bleach knocks it out of the park, the little music sound at the end when jack puts the vial in the vault was creepy AF

[@SonicTimewarp]

Isn’t the kid that was saved Jackson Lake’s son too? Guess it’s another Gwenyth-Gwen situation

[@korpus1319]

I think so

[@johannvongenerico9487]

It's interesting what you say about it being a story for one of the other doctor who shows. Feels like all you'd really need to change is saving more people for a happier ending

[@robbybobbybobirwin]

I actually loved that episode and seeing this goosebump connection I guess it makes sense. I loved goosebumps growing up.

[@CyborgCharlotte]

I kinda want to see Ianto’s CV now. How did he get *that* varied a skill set?

[@noimead988]

Jack shooting himself in the circus really reminds me of Nathan from Misfits doing a similar thing

[@danm3882]

As a child this episode terrified me the most! It gave me nightmares for years

[@occono3543]

Was this the BBC2 version? I wonder how many kids watched that

[@lukeayres9685]

6:50 It's almost as if he was in the Sarah Jane Adventures as a character called the Nightmare Man.

[@alfiedodman5231]

This is my all time favourite episode of torchwood

[@e4unow421]

The name of this episode actually makes reference to Gwen coming into the Hub from out of the rain and catching Lanto and Jack in his office at it. 😶

[@ssj2matt]

Honestly, I loved this episode.

[@cobra_kai_meme_page5607]

I cant lie I love this ep. I love the ghost maker and I love the goosebumps style of this ep.

[@MrGreaves]

ahh that's a nice big finish collection... say if you don't pay them enough attention, I know someone who can look after them for you... me. i mean me.

[@Lego1upMushroom]

This episode has always felt like it was meant for Sarah Jane adventures but someone mixed up the scripts

[@melonlordx]

Ianto was the best part of this episode

[@christianwise637]

I feel like Hammond's style of dark twisted fairytale type stories probably work better elsewhere (i.e. his own show Sapphire and Steel) than they do in Torchwood. Given that this show is a more grounded show with easily conceivable sci-fi concepts, doing a story with bizarre unexplained supernatural elements feels like a poor fit for the general tone, which I think is why I didn't much care for either this episode or "Small Worlds"

[@RyanJSmith]

"When did themes ever redeem a truly bad piece of fiction?" Forget the Night Travellers, that conversation is the film reel who's horror you never want to release

[@charliepearce7339]

It’s funny you should mention about him playing more as a Sarah Jane adventures villain , I think he played the nightmare man in Sarah Jane as well

[@AFriendRemembers]

I actually quite liked this episode. For me it is far from Torchwooda worst - but I suppose the famous train wrecks did have more ambition they couldn't realise whereas this is just a little overall week

[@msredfox]

Okay, that Neil breen mention was genius, and yet another brilliant video, thanks for the amazing uploads

[@iamliberator1101]

PJ Hammond wrote for Sapphire & Steel. One of the stories involved old photos and ghosts

[@lazulenoc6863]

18:20 The guy looks like off brand classic Who Master.

[@ninaxwings]

I have always loved this episode because it’s fun but I wish they had done a better job explaining what was going on. Where did the flask come from? How did the night travelers get it? What allowed them to cross into the real world?

[@abracadaverous]

I feel like this idea had so much potential, but it all sort of fizzled out.

[@simonburley2692]

This episode reminded me of an old “Tarot: Ace of Wands” story. (ITV children’s supernatural series.) Turns out it was written by the exact same author. In 1972. Pre-dating Goosebumps/Steven King?

[@tinykemper2561]

This is the perfect rest for me after the past few hours.

[@adamarycurtis7016]

This episode always made me think of the Sapphire and Steel episode with the photos...though as that was also written by PJ Hammond it's not really a surprise.

[@donaldasayers]

Remember when Torchwood ripped off Quatermass in the "Children of Earth?"

[@reecegoodall496]

I think I genuinely had nightmares after watching this one - I never forgot that monstrous ringmaster...

[@bloodyneptune]

I love the opening, closing and title of this episode. The rest...I mean could they not have gone with someone a bit creepier than a girl in a swimsuit? Shes wearing a knitted swimcap for godsake

[@JuuuDantas]

I remember music from toys that I saw on the tv when I was 6 but I can't remember this episode of a show I watched 5 or so years ago 🤣

[@aliceangel03]

I completely disagree, I thought this episode was very unique in the Torchwood episodes, and I absolutely loved it!

[@kamakazeyt]

Nobody going to ask how Ianto had a favourite place to watch movies in Cardiff when he was part of Torchwood One, which was based in London... also he has a London accent.

[@kateglew580]

I was definitely too young to watch Torchwood when I first saw this episode, and it didn't even scare me then. I think that says a lot.

[@alexbuttler7150]

This was the only torchwood ep i watched as a child and it scared the absolute shit out of me especialy the black and white circus scene

[@alexbramley195]

Whatever anyone thinks of this episode I think we can all agree that the music in this episode is really good.

[@mattthesilent777RED]

I would've preferred the ringmaster and his mermaid friend taking people's life forces to keep themselves in a living state

[@EmpireGamingWynter]

I actually quite like this one

[@kateglew580]

I think this episode would've greatly benefitted from taking itself less seriously.

[@mtaimry]

thats the ONLY episode ive never watched all the way through

[@EazyTiger]

That Jeff the killer bit caught me off guard and scared the shit out of me

[@themoxcast]

At the very least, this episode sold me on Julian Bleach when he became the new face of Davros.

[@mathieuleader8601]

yes the SJA villain your thinking of is the Nightmare Man

[@sammorin254]

Oh my god that loss comic. We have gone too far.

[@elizabethmcglothlin5406]

I've just seen several episodes I absolutely can't remember seeing! Hmmm.

[@Dray1]

Julian Bleach. One of the only people who can claim to be in all the RTD era stuff. What a legend

[@nooneattol6043]

6:04 you know its funny you say that....you do know he was the nightmare man right?

[@HomeNF420]

that jimmy bullard edit sent me lol

[@TheInternetHelpdeskPlays]

Julian Bleach, as in ' Davros 'Julian Bleach?

[@567secret]

Wait, it wasn't only me who thought the episode meant to imply the girl at the beginning is the water woman right? I thought that was pretty clear but you don't seem to mention it.

[@mrdr0161]

No because she is shown being part of the show at the start when the girls walk up to the ghost maker

[@CashelOConnolly]

My most disliked episode of Torchwood. You saying photos of normal people hardly existed before the 1980’s is wrong. My great grandma has an 80 page album showing photos of herself as a child and even photos of her great grandmother in the early 20th century. Not upper or middle classes who often could afford such things but working class families and urchins playing. Some of the photos are in sepia. The album is a history of normal people throughout the 20th century. The photos (some of them were taken on something called a box brownie) so check your facts,please!!!

[@ashleyclayton2748]

You know, I feel like both "Small world" and this would have worked better as episodes of the original Buffy spin of idea Torchwood started as. I still like this episode though

[@mathieuleader8601]

no Torchwood was not meant to be a Buffy spin-off but a show inspired by Buffy

[@ashleyclayton2748]

@@mathieuleader8601 I thought that's what Russell T Davis planned. A Buffy spin off set in England based around an organisation dealing with it called Excalibur? Am I wrong?

[@mathieuleader8601]

@@ashleyclayton2748 this is where I got the inspiration quote from www.digitalspy.com/tv/a38295/davies-buffy-angel-inspired-torchwood/

[@ashleyclayton2748]

@@mathieuleader8601 ah okay. Fair enough.

[@mathieuleader8601]

it would have made more sense if the Night Travellers where the Great Vampires or a cult that prayed to Abaddon whom granted them their odd abilites

[@mayotango1317]

No, the Great Vampires are gigants gargoyles.

[@richyclair6201]

Waters of Mars next I hope

[@greglinks]

Well this is.... something

[@trainman476]

Loved the JonTron reference

[@Naxgrom8888]

Its really ironic about the ending where u say we hoard media, considering the BBC threw away how much Doctor who XD

[@selatidos]

waters of mars?!

[@Lia-uf1ir]

17:59 one thing I would love to come out of media into the real world is the Doctor and their TARDIS. :)

[@bmvthemoviefanatic7282]

LOL! That title XD Yeah, never liked this episode either. Always thought it was a poor man's "Day Of The Clown" from SJA, an episode in a kid's show that I felt creepier than this! Also, everyone sees the recent Who news! CRAZY!

[@alicesophie123]

He is a Sarah Jane adventures villain! Kinda! The nightmare man is the same actor!

[@alicesophie123]

He’s also Davros and I think the Grandmaster from mi high!

[@jmace2424]

I know I saw this episode but I have no memory of this episode.

[@lucypreece7581]

Julian Bleach is one of few actors to be in all three of the major Doctor Who properties. He is famously Davros in Nu Who, he played The Nightmare Man in The Sarah Jane Adventures and then he is in this episode as The Ghostmaker. I will say the two parter The Nightmare Man in The Sarah Jane Adventures is way better than this and is legit one of my fave two part stories from that show. From Out Of The Rain is very weak. It is very disjointed and kind of boring.

[@AndrewHalliwell]

Hammond did a far better job with Mr shape from sapphire and steel. It should've been him they faced. The reason, because S+S weren't there to maintain his mirror prison, being trapped in a diner time prison of their own.

[@cobra_kai_meme_page5607]

Will you ever do a Sarah Jane adventures review like these

[@gsam2021]

I think he said he doesn't want to because of the nostalgia

[@mayotango1317]

Is more like a episode of Sapphire and Steel.

[@wardjunior1450]

I like this ep

[@xenon8117]

I have never been able to like this episode much.

[@henryg4377]

Have your opinions, but you gotta admit... the title was brilliant, right?

[@shadowcat5939]

It reminds me of the clown episode from the Sarah Jane adventures but not anywhere near as good

[@badfairy9554]

Small world; fairies only bit.

[@PathsUnwritten]

Harbo is "yeet"-ing again. *facepalm.

[@Venemofthe888]

Out of his 3 roles in the whoniverse id say this one is the weakest of the 3 but even then its still a good performance its just Davros and Nightmare man shine creepier. Hes a good case study on how to creepy with a little camp. Like hes a threat each time he appeared.

[@thephoenixking1086]

I have to ask, how does Owen speak? This episode shows that he does not have a breath (meaning he does not breath) so how does he SPEAK?? You need to be able to breath to be able to talk... Plot Hole?

[@SMon42]

He doesn't need to breath, but unless his lungs get punctured, he likely still can.

[@nevem5010]

❤️

[@mod321]

Hi

[@isabellaearnhardt6380]

💖

[@therajgreek420]

yas let's gooooo o hw nation

[@dalasjames3915]

I wish I could like twice for Neil Breen 😅

[@Lizzieaftermidnight]

Imo I don't like this episode

[@pablobratcat]

Stephen King ripoff