Reminder: EVs are USELESS in an emergency | MGUY Australia

[@donwalsh9426]

1). Make everything depend on the grid. 2). Make the grid fail. 3). Watch result.

[@joejoejoejoejoejoe4391]

Including the internet, and sanitation. Also parts of the grid can be turned off to affect certain people,

[@orwellboy1958]

Its all part of the WEF plan.

[@PeterM1-qx1tz]

Bingo!!!

[@steve_is_my_name]

Or.... 1) make everything dependent on the grid, 2) make the grid stronger, creating jobs and opportunities, 3) transition to clean energy. May be my solution is the smarter one 😂

[@GyroGarrison]

​@@steve_is_my_nameFound the Tesla owner

[@seanmurphy637]

Also, it is easier to bring fuel to empty ICE vehicles along the road, and get them moving again quickly, than it is to charge EV's that have stopped on the road.

[@tonymaiorano2749]

Don't roadside service vehicles carry a jerrycan of electricity for stranded EVs ?😅

[@TheGuruStud]

​​just a $50K diesel generator on a flatbed truck. No big deal. I love these stores of $1-2K toes, b/c no one wants to touch a Tesla

[@arcadeuk]

@@tonymaiorano2749 I've actually seen them charging broken down EV's on the side of the road a couple of times now, it's hilarious. They breakdown vans carry little generators now so they can charge a stuck EV via a normal 13amp wall socket, so that's 3kw they can add in an hour 🤣

[@lesleypaterson1463]

​@@tonymaiorano2749I heard it was a bloody long lead, 3 x 30m leads plugged into a 240 outlet should be right in a couple of days.

[@JanKowalski-vj9py]

@@tonymaiorano2749 Jerrycan for EV does not exist. Jerrycan at home is usually 90lbs per 5kWh home storage battery module.

[@Scotty_AU]

I never thought of the impact of natural disasters on EV's, great point MGuy

[@derekdrummond7544]

You must be one of the few that never thought it a consideration , well along with every EV owner!😅

[@Cloxxki]

You must be in a continuous state of bliss? It's been predicted since the govt push started and all over the news channels with the fires. The virtue signalling Cali Tesla were actually clogging traffic, obstruction emergency services.

[@fatroberto3012]

@@derekdrummond7544 99.9% of people in civilized countries never experience a disaster, natural or otherwise. Simple fact, oil is a finite resource. Our great grandchildren will not thank us for depriving them of the plastics that make our lives easier, just because we like hearing a nice exhaust note.

[@WamSUBNZ]

Dude your in aussie you need to think natural disaster Qhy do you think there's been such a low uptake here in nz we knew shit like this would happen

[@RenlangRen]

When I’m not driving my ev it’s plugged in. Between my wife’s gasoline car and my ev mine is the one most likely full of fuel and ready to go in an emergency.

[@jamesblair9614]

I think it has been shown by previous California wild fires racing through neighborhoods, where the need to rapidly evacuate is a life or death proposition, what you really want is a motorcycle. Once the streets become clogged with abandoned cars or other debris, you can thread the needle with a bike.

[@cccmmm1234]

There is plenty of warning. Just leave early.

[@Bob-n1t8o]

@@cccmmm1234 The warning 3 months ago when home insurance policies were being cancelled throughout the state… interesting

[@skyedog24]

This isn't Apocalypse now 😆🤣 🤗 get your documents 📄 round up your kids and leave.😏

[@Mercmad]

But Californians in the big cities would rather have a E scooter or E bike... the recharge type you get from the racks.

[@MarieAnne.]

That can be difficult if you've got 3 kids and a couple of pets

[@nheather]

During the recent flooding in the UK some television news reports were warning EV users not to drive through flood water, not even relatively shallow floods - it warned that as the battery is positioned low in the car, it can easily be immersed which can damage the cells or, worse, result in fire.

[@redbaron6805]

These 2nd grade flunkout fictions are just comical... We can countless floods around here, and 99% of stalled cars are GAS cars genius....

[@kenschmidt6522]

Some tow operators won't touch flooded EVs because of the fire risk. Also, an EV that has burned can reignite without warning.

[@redbaron6805]

@@kenschmidt6522 These fairy tales really need to start with Once Upon a Time....

[@JanKowalski-vj9py]

@@redbaron6805 Because fortunately EV crap is still minority.

[@bezza4271]

@@redbaron6805 Engines will be hydrolocked, bent rods game over.

[@iainw5081]

Meanwhile intense cold on the eastern side of the US is causing other issues for EVs.

[@redbaron6805]

Obvious fiction....

[@DonJoesph]

15 f here on the south shore of the Great Lakes. Normal for January. Nothing intense, sorry.

[@xr6lad]

@@redbaron6805Only for the cult.

[@teekay_1]

@@xr6lad EVs really have decended into a cult for some people. They've vested their entire persona into it.

[@RenlangRen]

I live in the Great Lakes area. Drove my ev to work every day. Don’t know what some of you are talking about.

[@harryelliot9390]

My mind was made up years ago - no experimental jabs, no EVs.

[@eldontyrellcorp]

You can add to the list : no e-id, no digital currency (soon to be in place here in Europe, unfortunately...)

[@Lightning77305]

Same here.

[@luckyguy600]

And never trust politicians who make a career of it all.

[@AB-12345]

Exactly. Especially with current technology and resources.

[@redbaron6805]

Yeah, why let these pesky facts, science and reality get in the way of a perfectly good opinion, right...?

[@blakefx]

It’s not about climate. It’s about control. Switch off the power and keep the cars off the road. Too much demand on the grid, turn the power off to the cars. Eventually, if you’re a bit naughty, you’ll have your car switched off

[@C_J__]

No, if you're 'perceived' to be naughty!

[@redbaron6805]

Yeah, I mean, it is not like we can use things like the sun to charge our cars, right...? Is everyone posting on here a scientifically illiterate dinosaur that flunked out of 2nd grade or something...?

[@gppsoftware]

@@redbaron6805 Not sure if that was a humorous comment, but just do some simple maths. An EV usually has at least a 50kwh battery. My solar panel system is a 13.5 kw system, although I have never seen it go much above 10kw. That means to charge a 50kwh EV, my solar panel system would take 5 hours. That would mean that all power would have to be directed to the EV and I wouldn't be able to use any solar power for anything else. In practice, the 10kwh output only happens for a few hours around the middle of the day and outside that, it is less. Of course, if clouds come over, the solar system drops right off. The simple fact is that solar panel systems might be able to top up EV's, but they are insufficient to do a full charge within a day - you'd probably need two days.

[@RavenAutoPartsCo]

Yep, that's their goal.

[@redbaron6805]

@@gppsoftware OK, lets do the complete actual math. Why would you again need to add 50kWh to an EV in a single day, unless you commute 200 miles to work...? Even in the USA, the average commute is around 40 miles a day, which requires around 10kWh. This is the core problem with these claims. EV's are not driven like gasoline cars, where you drive the car until empty, and then charge it back to full. It is topped off, usually daily, or every other day. Literally no EV owner on the planet will walk into his garage, plan on going somewhere, and see 0 miles of range available.

[@JamesSmith-qs4hx]

“CO2 for different people has different attractions. After all, what is it? - it’s not a pollutant, it’s a product of every living creature’s breathing, it’s the product of all plant respiration, it is essential for plant life and photosynthesis, it’s a product of all industrial burning, it’s a product of driving - I mean, if you ever wanted a leverage point to control everything from exhalation to driving, this would be a dream. So it has a kind of fundamental attractiveness to bureaucratic mentality.” - Richard S. Lindzen

[@kathyjova98]

We are the CO2 they want to eliminate. As soon as everybody understands this it STOPS.

[@redbaron6805]

Comically dumb word salad nonsense....

[@JamesSmith-qs4hx]

@redbaron6805 OK Electrosheep 🐑

[@redbaron6805]

@@JamesSmith-qs4hx Graduate 2nd grade there tool and then get back to the adult discussion boards....

[@GeometryEX-hp9zs]

I don't completely believe what the biologists say, but the biologists mentioned a hypothesis that there was a time when CO2 was excessive, but there was no human destruction at that time, so the plants played their best role (plants respire at night, and plants still need oxygen), and after some terrible cycle, the plants finally defeated CO2. This is a theoretical story. I am half-believing. But it is true that CO2 will be released whenever there is combustion, etc. If you burn wood or charcoal, it will still emit CO2 and carbon monoxide.

[@Nightmareof94]

Those dammed thing’s probably made the fires worse

[@gregkral4467]

absolutely.

[@JZsBFF]

"Unique challenges", nothing to it, probably.

[@elainetilley985]

They probably started the fire

[@Nightmareof94]

@ wouldn’t be surprised at that

[@Kelemor]

Could if they catch fired

[@pirateracingnz9846]

During the cyclone here in NZ, the region of Hawkes Bay was without electricity in the town for weeks and the outer region for months. Roads in and out were gone so no help came from outside for ages. I was in the fuel servicing industry and the only guy in the region doing so. I could get fuel for emergency services with no power required (I am also rescue crew) but I couldn’t charge an ev and all incoming generators were needed for supermarkets, fuel stations, cell towers and emergency services. Personally I am off the electrical grid so wasn’t affected and all four of my vehicles are never below half a tank and ready to go but other than a tsunami, my yacht is the place to be. I can cook, clean, generate my own power and treat own waste, watch movies without internet and cycle through my two months worth of food and it’s also a pleasant place to be while the region struggles (yes I did help).

[@mowtownni4587]

I like your style

[@redbaron6805]

That makes perfect sense, because during the same time, the sun stopped shining, and there was absolutely no way to generate power to charge an EV.... just comical level of idiotic nonsense...

[@jackoneil3933]

I have a friend in NSW, (Offgrid Garage) who has enough solar power to be self-sufficient and keep A Tesla charged for most driving needs. I have another friend in Oregon who's home and most of is driving are powered by solar. And he also has an 800gal heating/Diesel tank, two diesel vehicles, a Diesel tractor and a helicopter, all of which can that can burn that heating oil. He keeps a small farm and garden, enough to enjoy healthy food, and so he and his family are not at the mercy of grid and principalities. How many people in Hawkes Bay were prepared for such an event, and how may were not, and suffered greatly?

[@redbaron6805]

@@jackoneil3933 That is the point most people miss. There are many ways to generate your own electricity, there are near zero ways for people to drill for, refine and produce their own gasoline. Notice the key line in the original post, "I could GET fuel...." vs you can generate your own electricity....

[@jackoneil3933]

​@@redbaron6805 ​Exactly, and If the internet and/or satellite communications are disrupted, so are fuel pumps in most parts of the world. Fueling stations depend on the power grid as well, as well as supply chains that include Pipelines, Refineries storage facilities, last mile fuel delivery trucks, roads and more. Having fuel storage and a way to generate electricity and store it is a huge security measure. An average EV sedan can store days of emergency power if you can tap into it, Having solar and an and affordable used EV to increase resiliency is something I would like to have. I would also like to have an old Diesel 70s / 80s Diesel VW GOLF, or a pre-computerized Diesel Dodge or Ford Pickup as an adjunct to the solar EV.

[@sw793]

Diesel power is the answer 👍

[@playasurf1000]

I watched a video earlier about a mechanic that was working on a military diesel f350 in the US. Videoing the engine bay wouldn't you know it, all the factory emissions controls have factory deletes. But we have to put up with out engines sooting up

[@johnnunn8688]

@@playasurf1000what?

[@sw793]

@playasurf1000 I'm not sure of your point there.

[@arcadeuk]

@@sw793 He is complaining that the government mandates force unreliable emissions control systems on our cars, but the military are excluded from the mandates, so they remove all the unnecessary parts to increase reliability and make them simpler to fix in an emergency

[@steeldragon5867]

Your ok mate but the price of coffee, buy your own

[@tripytaka9462]

If I was an EV owner with “buyer’s remorse”, I might see a wildfire as an opportunity to ditch it, get out and run, then claim the insurance.

[@allomony4010]

It could be how the fire started in the first place. Already the authorities are saying it looks like it wasn't a natural event.

[@Baerchenization]

You would not, because you cannot insure against wildfires in CA, as it would be suicide for any insurance company.

[@jeremyashford2145]

@allomony4010 Multiple events with arsonists continuing to create more.

[@mrtechie6810]

But gasoline will be illegal in Commifornia!

[@jimmydesouza4375]

@@allomony4010 There's been reports of homeless encampments setting up bonfires in and around the areas where the fires started. Which considering wild fires can spread faster than you can run is sad in a way.

[@theonlywoody2shoes]

Two pieces of information I’ve not seen widely publicised: Fire breaks in the surrounding area were outlawed due to a mouse. Fire crews had no water due to a dam being removed - no power, no pumps, no water to fire hydrants. The fire breaks were removed due to them impacting the environment where an indigenous mouse lived - the fire breaks impacted their movement and made them more easily predated in the open areas. The dam, that previously provided natural water pressure through gravity, was removed to allow fish to travel up river - there is a video online with the current Governor meeting with native peoples to publicise why this was a good thing. I’m guessing that all of the mice are now BBQd, along with a few unfortunate residents who voted for these policies.

[@a9ball1]

I'm all for saving wildlife but I believe it needs to be reasonable. When you end up putting people in danger I'm sorry but people come first.

[@theonlywoody2shoes]

@a9ball1 Fully agree. Sadly the human death toll is now into double figures. If only those with political power could offer balanced and sensible policies, rather than sensationalist and "radical" ones.

[@timeresrch]

Send this to Mr A Jones, and Mr Glenn beck, and any other decent voice that you know of.

[@thetoymanator7723]

Along with the BBQ's mice the fish probably suffocated due to the ash from the fires entering the water system.

[@kathrynwhitby9799]

there's another unspoken factor. That most of the US still builds with timber. If you see any photos, you'll notice only the fireplaces & chimneys are left standing.

[@6teeth]

And to your first point: You can help others with gasoline, if you have, and help the community. EV owners cannot help anyone, not even themselves. So in case of this, electricity failure, they noew are dependend on............ old school reliable ICE owners. EV is an egotrip!!!!

[@oldbloke204]

And how many actually have extra to share out in the real world? Most are completely unprepared for emergencies so keeping the tank filled and some on hand is very very unlikely for most. When these sorts of events happen outcomes can't be predicted so your post seems rather silly imo.

[@johnletourneau6176]

​@@oldbloke204 That is some pretty hard COPE! 😂

[@Diponty]

@@oldbloke204 I think rather than the post being silly, the silly part is NOT having fuel on hand to spare, those sort of people remind of the ones who go shopping and pay with their phone and don't carry cash or a wallet. I think the WEF call them the useless eaters.

[@hudsonbear5038]

@@oldbloke204 Odd how you say that but I live just outside a village up north in the UK and almost everyone has a can of fuel(or two) incase of an emergency many have diesel Gens too And they are always willing to help others. Main road last week was blocked by snow and many stranded on it. 30+ from the village including my wife (I was on MR callouts so could not help) went out to help... provide food. hot water, blankets and fuel as well as towed many cars too the town hall. Guess which vehicles was dead in the water and could not even be moved lol.. The thing is many are willing to help once you leave a major town and city..

[@oldbloke204]

@@hudsonbear5038 Yep so you're in the country and set up for it, same as us. That will be a very small minority and given how many are so unprepared it will make little difference imo. Certainly if it came down to it I won't be wasting too many resources on those who aren't prepared tbh. Don't get me wrong I hate EVs but in these sorts of events outcomes will more likely be dictated by what's going on and not the drivetrain of the vehicle imo.

[@WiseGuy02]

If you keep petrol at home don't forget to rotate it with fresh stuff every so often. Use it in your car and replace it in the shed. It can go off and won't be any use.

[@paulparoma]

Good advice. Many don't realize gasoline has finite life.

[@tommyking626]

@@paulparoma its about 1 year. so if you change it 9 months a time, you are fine

[@Viva15thBrigada]

@@tommyking626WRONG… it currently has a shelf life of 6 months if stored properly in a sealed container at 20c. If stored at 30c its shelf life is reduced to 3 months. My local garden machinery repair centre asks customers to read a sign to this effect before they hand over any repaired item because there’s been a massive 65% increase in them having to clean out the carburettors… every year. The one way to get by this is to purchase Aspen and use it in machinery at the end of the season or keep some of it for emergency use for your car.

[@paulparoma]

@@tommyking626 I suppose. I don't keep any at home, but it's good to know.

[@doom4067]

I've read every three months.

[@SevenSixTwo2012]

EV ownership : Natural selection through Darwin Awards in an emergency.

[@Treshar]

I was just thinking the exact same thing, natural selection, only the strong survive and all that.

[@Matt123a]

Except that it only takes a small number of discharged EV's to block roads, then EVERYONE is doomed.

[@SubjectiveFunny]

Plug in hybrid is the way forward. Best of both worlds.

[@redbaron6805]

@@Matt123a Except, in the real world, and in actual natural disasters, people ran out of GAS most of the time, and electricity wasn't the issue.

[@TooOldToCare-kl3co]

@@SubjectiveFunnyabsolutely useless on a long journey, normal hybrid are better if you are driving long distances.

[@madmeh2929]

The CA fires impact the environment more than the purported “savings” of EVs, which don’t include the tire dust emissions of EVs.

[@chargeriderepeat7024]

The Independent has a front page story that the UK came within a whisper of a grid collapse and how to deal with blackouts as they are coming soon. Meanwhile ev's and heatpumps.

[@robertarcher8576]

And the standby gas generators charged a fortune

[@redbaron6805]

Good that we have never had a gas shortage right...? Oh.... wait a second....

[@chrisbaker8533]

@@redbaron6805 Typical apples and oranges comparison. Even in the worst case, a gasoline shortage doesn't have any where near the impact that an electrical shortage would today. Not getting your avacado toast, or needing to walk to work, isn't that big a deal, but not having electric, well, hope you like no heat, no cooling, no refrigeration, no cooking, a kid in the nicu's life support gets shut off, no job to go to, etc. etc.

[@redbaron6805]

@@chrisbaker8533 You apparently are missing the point here. Countless people already have solar. The entire grid in the USA is close to 50% nuclear and RE. And there is no scenario where "electrical shortage" means zero electricity. It means either electricity use is curbed, rationing is done, or other methods. Charging an E-Bike or a scooter with a cheap solar panel means you can easily travel to work without issues. These apocalyptic scenario's where we go from having electricity to no electricity simply don't exist in the real world....

[@Markcain268]

​@@redbaron6805with the price of electricity in the uk, many people wouldn't notice a power cut because they most likely have everything turned off anyway!

[@TheLightbane]

I was at the coast during the December bushfires in 2019 Australia, I saw an EV Tesla drive past at the point roads in and out of Batemans Bay became impossible to use. There was no power, we went at 5am to fuel up my car from the petrol station in the bay so we could evac grandma. You basically just paid $50 to fill your car with petrol (no internet), lines were immense, we left as SOON as we got a possibility to leave (8am) and we were stuck in traffic all day. I often wonder what happened to the drivers of that car as they were most likely left stranded.

[@RefreshingShamrock]

You guys are lucky. Here in the US gas stations rely on the internet to pump fuel. It makes no difference if you pay with cash or card.

[@oldbloke204]

Was that when people with ICE vehicles were also stuck because there was no EFTPOS for them to pay and so many don't carry cash these days?

[@oldbloke204]

@RefreshingShamrock Yeah people forget this and also the fact that if the power goes down how many servos will have generator backups?

[@TheLightbane]

@@oldbloke204 Well we didn't have EFTPOS mate so yeah, thankfully we had some cash back then

[@oldbloke204]

@@TheLightbane Yep I remember that one quite clearly and I think that a family in law member was at their holiday house when that happened but they had some cash as well. EV or ICE most people are spectacularly unprepared for when things don't go as planned imo.

[@bobbadham261]

UK woz lookin to convert all ambulances to EV at a cost of £200,000 each, lunacy!!

[@AkashicSeer]

I live in a tiny town of under 20k people in the USA and the clowns here converted the school busses for $5 million to EV at cost of over 400k each. More than what you spent. LOOL WOOHOO MURICA FUQ YAH!!! 🤣🤣🤣

[@redbaron6805]

Which would be a non issue for anyone that graduated literally elementary science...

[@andywarrington4738]

lovely profit for the politicians

[@redbaron6805]

@@andywarrington4738 These endless conspiracy theories are just comically dumb...

[@Guy-Gibsons-Dog]

@@redbaron6805 Proper rattled.

[@stephenstrong8885]

Can you just imagine how many EV’s have caught fire in the California fires and they are virtually impossible to extinguish even with ooo’s of gallons of water!

[@koningbolo4700]

New rule, registered owners of an EV will not be assisted by the FD in case of a major wild fire fire fighting effort... #lettheMFburn

[@redbaron6805]

Literally a non factor in a forest fire. Just more absurd nonsense...

[@AlienLivesMatter]

Toxic fumes

[@GeometryEX-hp9zs]

@@AlienLivesMatter To be precise, it is highly toxic smoke.

[@esm7708]

Funnily Full Circle Electric have made liquid that puts out battery fires very quickly. They have a Kia EV9 demo video. Science to the rescue

[@freddieqmercury5961]

Another great video, thanks for the information

[@glenarmy1]

Christmas Eve two years ago in my patch of Canada we had a massive blizzard…..the next day the dead heads on the side of the road were disproportionately represented by ev,s. Also you can turn a smart city into a concentration camp by flipping the switch…..that’s reality! It’s not about the environment it’s about control.

[@JamesSmith-qs4hx]

This story reminds me to be thankful of reliable energy dense hydrocarbon fuels.... They give me freedom to travel and as I use them, they provide the atmosphere with carbon dioxide, the gas of life, so plants can grow better.🙏

[@GT380man]

Hear, hear!

[@redbaron6805]

Plants don't grow "better" with more CO2. It is literally elementary science and chemistry. Too much of anything is bad. Even drinking too much water can be fatal, despite it being required for you to live....

[@denzilpenbirthy5028]

@@redbaron6805 Yes they do ! That's why they add CO 2 to in certain greenhouse nurseries to increase the yield of the plants/crops. Look it up.

[@redbaron6805]

@@denzilpenbirthy5028 The planet is not a greenhouse nursery. When the CO2 concentration goes up on earth however, crop yields do not improve. This is explained in many research papers, and summarized here: "While increased CO2 can initially boost plant growth by enhancing photosynthesis, the reality is that excessive CO2 in the atmosphere does not guarantee increased plant growth on Earth due to several factors including: limitations on other nutrients like nitrogen, changing climate conditions like extreme heat and drought, disruption of plant ecosystems, and the potential for reduced nutritional value in some crops due to the imbalance created by high CO2 levels." What happens however is due to the higher heat trapping properties of CO2, the increased heat, droughts and stress on plants offset the benefits of a CO2 levels, unlike in a greenhouse where all of those factors can be carefully controlled and mitigated.

[@Guy-Gibsons-Dog]

@@redbaron6805 You've embarrassed yourself on the internet today.

[@Guy-Gibsons-Dog]

Avoid anyone that is fullycharged or fullyjabbed.

[@michaelmedicworldoftanks33fps]

what are CO2 emissions now from catastrophic fire like that in California? Net Zero club won`t talk about it that one of these bushfires releases more CO2 than people will release in 10 years using fossil fuels.

[@redbaron6805]

I'm seriously questioning if you graduated 1st grade science and math here. In a single year, the world emits 37.4 Billion, yes as in BILLION metric tons of CO2. And yes, that is PER YEAR. Meanwhile, all the forest fires ON THE PLANET, annually, release 5.3 Billion tons, or about 15% of the annual amount we release burning fossil fuels. These claims are just embarrassing already...

[@hardrockuniversity7283]

Just found out that a friend and his father in law both lost their houses to fire last night. Progressivism is NOT a victimless delusion.

[@1225KPH]

They have only themselves to blame if they voted Democrat. If they didn't vote Democrat, they were too stupid to leave California.

[@redbaron6805]

Yes, because obviously fires only happen to people who follow a certain political party, right...? Did your parents drop you on your head multiple times or something...???

[@Guy-Gibsons-Dog]

I usually think back to where I last had it.

[@rm5902]

Should have 100 million subs. Informative. Accurate. Detailed. Honest.

[@normansaunders6891]

Funny nobody's mentioned the air pollution caused by the fires or suggested fire breaks or similar preventative measures to minimise the risk of future disasters.

[@artsisland1683]

The woke Californians stopped the "controlled burns" as it made the area look less pretty. So much for fire breaks . . . as an American, the general population in California got what they voted for and embraced.

[@normansaunders6891]

@artsisland1683 Yes, but areas of natural beauty can include parks that are grassed over and include boating lakes and areas for sporting activities such as golf, cycling, jogging and amateur team sports.

[@Guy-Gibsons-Dog]

@@artsisland1683 I hate woke California but as we speak on Google Maps there is a controlled burn marked to the East of LA.

[@jerrylundegaard2592]

MAGA is focused on Trump's rakes.

[@SteveLomas-k6k]

Throughout history people have tried to stop bad weather and natural disasters- by shaking spears at the clouds, offering sacrifices to the gods, building giant statues etc. And when it doesn't work they double down on it. People who put that effort into preparing for the inevitable instead, do much better.

[@colleenvarlow8764]

They are talking today in the news about EVs on farms. Can you imagine a tractor sowing a paddock, and running out of charge?

[@willie2761]

Or towing a trailer full of livestock

[@redbaron6805]

Can you imagine posting about something you actually understand...? Obviously not....

[@RavenAutoPartsCo]

Stupid as it maybe there are companies out there working on EV tractors. Cockoo! 🦉

[@mattigower1479]

There is no need for EVs on farms. Nor will there ever be. JBL, tractor company in UK is developing or has developed already, a very clever workaround for farm equipment. You need to go to their website to work through the details, but, will surely be a lifesaver for the farming and even mining communities in the end. Battery powered solutions can never work for industrial strength earthmoving or agriculture, JBL figured that out very quickly, then figured out a solution, with help and assistance from Lotus engineers in UK.

[@steve64464]

I was wondering if the electric hippie cars had played a factor in how fast the fire had rapidly spread as they became consumed by fire.

[@odess4sd4d]

More likely by how they overstressed the grid charging right before.

[@tokyosundeiru2006]

Apparently it’s not a lack of electricity in LA, it’s a lack of water with an abundance of incompetence!

[@1225KPH]

There is a lack of electricity in L.A. Scheduled rolling black outs during peak summer demand for the last 3+ decades.

[@tokyosundeiru2006]

@ Yes. I should have written “not just a lack of electricity “. Apologies.

[@jarikinnunen1718]

Power lines in high winds often ignite bushfires.

[@garethjudd5840]

Fun fact. The DEI LA Mayor gave away vital fire fighting equipment to the Ukraine.

[@garagepc9645]

for real???

[@Chris_the_Muso]

So that he could by new stuff probably. Seriously, I can't think of a more worthy cause.

[@redbaron6805]

Obviously absurd fiction. People will repeat like brain dead parrots any conspiracy nonsense they find on Facebook and TikTok. Are you seriously this dense....?

[@garagepc9645]

actually, that sounds spot on for clown world.

[@WillCamx]

​@@Chris_the_Muso Actually she cut the budget.

[@hakankinnunen3270]

Jag är ett stort faan till dig. Din sarkasm älskar jag helt underbar. Jag bor i norra Sveriges inland. Här är det - 13 c massor med snö och mulet vind stilla.

[@Willems378]

in the Netherlands they decided to use a elektric firetruck.. And it only has a battery for max 1h45min so it needs to get there and put the fire out and back in that time...

[@johns2226]

😂😂😂

[@AJTitan1973]

Thank you MGUY

[@NaeKid]

Understanding as I do about the batteries in a single EV, when one reaches critical temperature it starts itself on fire. I am just wondering if a portion of this wildfire was fueled by natural sources (plant materials) and a portion was fueled by un-natural sources (lithium batteries & diesel & gasoline) How much of this could have been contained if the EVs were not in the way & not spreading their uncontrollable flames?

[@jackoneil3933]

"We must cease to kiss the whip that lashes us" ~ Norbert Wiener - Originator of 'Cybernetics'

[@davidclark7584]

Wonder how many evs have burnt up in LA.

[@1225KPH]

Not enough.

[@Pomdownuder]

We've been saying this for years. "oh it's not an issue" say the devotees. Well we've been proven correct yet again,the lies /dreams of the EV lobby just don't hold any weight.

[@redbaron6805]

This has nothing to do with EV's, but the brain dead clueless clown brigade on here never graduated elementary science... obviously...

[@mikeandhev]

I hope that Donald Trump ends the EV stupidity in the United States of America then it could influence the EV madness in Europe to end.

[@maifantasia3650]

Is that Donald Musk, or Elon Trump? Can never remember which one is going to be president and which is the first lady.

[@81banga]

​@@maifantasia3650 Well done, you've learnt how to repeat what you're told to.

[@adriaanvantulpenbaard1740]

@@maifantasia3650 President Musk according to MaximBady " I hate my Tesla so much"

[@TheZodiacz]

he'll be too busy invading Greenland, Panama and Iran.

[@desperado315]

Maifantasia, who ever it is at least the person will be vastly superior to that senile old donkey who's about to be put out to pasture soon, thankfully.

[@marvymagoo7011]

This will all turn around and bite everyone the A.

[@duckman5642]

Great video as always 👍👌

[@sirjohng1]

Fire also burns overhead electricity cabling which is endemic in the States so good luck with charging an EV.

[@clothedwiththesun]

Well, if you throw two lines over them thaaar live cables…free charging/no waiting in ques.

[@suecrowe126]

This is a real important factor to consider. What are we doing? Prayers for us all

[@camofilms]

Did you see the clip of the red digger that had to try shove a street full of abandoned EV cars in the fires, unbelievable but true.

[@esm7708]

I don't think they were abandoned due to lack of electric

[@kylereese4822]

NEVER HAPPENED.

[@sagethegreat4680]

See what you do is , you get a diesel generator and tape to the back of your ev and then you never need to charge in a charging station ever again 😂

[@JamesHawkeYouTube]

It's like Armageddon and the apocalypse all at the same time! I'm heading for the comfy chair and grabbing some more popcorn! 😀🍿👍

[@tedcrothall5298]

In the event of bush fires,fire storms etc on a large geographical/topographical, scale all electric grid operators as part of fire reduction risk management , dramaticly reduce or shut down supply to the danger areas. Execpt for emergency response hubs. Electric charging stations would be the first to go because of the huge drain on the network. In the Calaforincation/LALA land case this was compounded by traffic grid lock and very high ambient temperatures draining batteries even faster. I wonder how many battery powed fire engines were used in very steep terrain areas.

[@309lincoln]

I wonder if they will find any people dead in an EV after the fires are out. 🤔 I hope not!

[@Michael-jx9bh]

They may find the ashes, possibly some teeth... Those EV battery fires burn hot...

[@brucerideout9979]

I'm surprised that your video made it past the censors.

[@supercededman]

Not to mention the loss of power generation as houses with solar panels on the roof burn to the ground, and the associated infrastructure mess.

[@andydandyb]

How did LA fires start? Any interesting hypothesis?

[@erroneouscode]

They have already arrested at least one arsonist smashing the CC nutters usual spiel

[@devinjackson1298]

Wouldn't leaving the electric cars there be another fire risk as well?

[@cccmmm1234]

Yup, if thise suckers burn they become EV fires, not just regular car fires.

[@GeometryEX-hp9zs]

If an electric car is ignited, the problem of environmental pollution will be greater than that of burning wood. The air will contain highly toxic substances.

[@lezivanerrol3697]

2009 Bushfires: Outskirts of Melbourne. Power down. Land Lines down, Cell phone towers down. Areas completely covered with smoke. Friend went to evacuate. Home in one 4WD with the pets and valuables, Wife ahead in another 4WD with the kids. No news on the radio from your ABC. He started out driving right behind his wife. Smoke was so thick could see her right in front of him. They separated. Couldn't find her for hours. Panic. No communications. Lucky they had fossil fuel powered vehicles.

[@bd4242]

Saw a video of some guy driving his tesla around the front line of the fire....like nice self awareness...

[@esm7708]

You mean he didn't run out of electric?

[@anonymous.nobody]

Good thing I took Johnny Horton’s advice and electrified my donkey, it can go all the way to Albuquerque and into the stratosphere on one charge.

[@joschmoyo4532]

Lister diesel back up power. It's a bush fire essential.

[@nuthinasitseems5213]

A Jerry Can of petrol kept in your garage is an accelerant. An accelerant is a substance which will increase the speed or intensity of a fire. It can be a liquid, gas, or solid that burns rapidly to make a fire burn faster, hotter, or spread more quickly.

[@davidclark7584]

I keep about 70 gallons on hand due to hurricane emergencys. Never been wothout power or gas to get some where. Good luck storing that much power for your ev.

[@redbaron6805]

Modern EV's can travel 500 miles plus already, and will travel closer to 900 miles by 2030. How far are you evacuating genius....? Most people evacuating from hurricanes need to travel around 100 miles or so...

[@kylereese4822]

Tesla Cybertruck powers Gas station after Tornado... google it.

[@OM617a]

In relation to fuel storage I once read about German WW2 tanks that were recovered from swamps and started on the diesel still remaining in the tank! Unfortunately gas has a shorter shelf life but a reserve can be used and replaced to keep it fresh.

[@user-zh9kc7tw4n]

Could burning abandoned EVs have spread the fire is a question to be asked

[@simoncrooke1644]

Ember attack is what spreads fires quickly. Then, the main fire front comes along later to finish the job. It's awesome to witness.

[@vernonweiss9097]

Great video! Everyone should have a Go Bag! Everyone should be aware of their surroundings and if you want to survive, leave before you are told to by the government; by the time they tell you to go the roads are clogged by cars an it is too late. I can't believe how many people have been on camera saying: "we only have the clothes on our back. We didn't have time to pack." An emergency is not the time to make a Go Bag! TODAY IS! There are plenty of good DIY KZbin videos on Go Bags.

[@liberty0758]

LA got Maui-ed hard. At least a blue rubbish bin survived at John Goodman's property. #DEW

[@kennethboyer2338]

I've been trying to make this point since I started watching this channel. EVs are worthless in a natural disaster like this. When these cars fail it will affect the ability of others to get out. Doesn't matter if is a hurricane or a forest fire, the result is the same. Disabled cars blocking the highway impeding traffic. I can carry enough fuel to double, triple or quadruple my range and ensure I can get away. If necessary I can live out of my vehicle for a few days. You can't do that in an EV!! Make rescue vehicles EV is a huge mistake. Imagine being out on a fire call and the battery dies. Can't pump water or even move the truck unless there's a smal diesel engine for the pump. The diesel engine is there for many reasons to ensure the truck can stay on statuon for extended periods of time and still ne able to perform. This foolish madness needs to end.

[@pauls3075]

The first thing I'm rushing for in a catastrophic wildfire is a jerry can full of petrol to keep in my car ...

[@willie2761]

No, if youre smart , have an ICE and a jerry can you will be gone when the emergency is still developing

[@mickleblade]

The opposite is also true. During the hurricane evacuation in florid recently, there were huge queues at fuel stations while EVs had no problem. It's a question of how prepared individuals are.

[@dodgerboe]

1st Understanding of Survival ... Never Litsen To Govt Directives ... 2nd Rule ..... Always Follow Rule 1 !

[@redbaron6805]

3rd rule.... learn how to spell and write and a 3rd grade level before posting...

[@tedantares2751]

Interestingly, huge amounts of polluted air (polluted mostly by smoke from coal power stations and steel manufacturing) come to the US from China with Jet Stream. This air enters the US in the state of Washington, then goes slightly South and crosses the entire US to New York. Look it up in Wikipedia

[@jayha7071]

In case of emergency, you'll be sitting on PCH, the 405 or the 10 freeway, until you run out of juice

[@kampar82]

Or waiting at home when over the air update is loading. Or just not go anywhere because you're missing internet connectivity and your car can't check for a license.

[@redbaron6805]

@@kampar82 That claim is so comically dumb it would be embarrassing for a 4 year old to make...

[@redbaron6805]

So... no one told you that electric cars use near zero energy when standing still in traffic jams....? Did you just skip all the science classes after 2nd grade...?

[@kampar82]

@@redbaron6805 They loose energy when parked. But of course you can just go to the nearest charger. There have been cases where the driver can't move their car because it's installing an update. There were also some chinesium vehicles that turned useless after the manufacturer went bankrupt and cloud services disappeared. Thank you for refuting everything.

[@kampar82]

@@redbaron6805 An update can take 2-3 hours for a VW, what if you're stuck at that and needed to go somewhere. Oh, but a 4-year old can just refute that, because reasons.

[@Riverboat374]

I did some work in Los Angeles years ago. I recall looking at the topography and thinking I would not want to live there because in an emergency there are very few routes out of the area. It's a city of millions sandwiched between rugged mountains and the Pacific Ocean. If you really had to get out of the area in a hurry your only safe bet would be a boat.

[@keegan773]

It takes a diesel dozer to clear the road of abandoned EV’s.

[@johanandersson8488]

Emergencies and Evacuations: California, where LA is located, has experienced several major wildfires in recent years. During such events, it is common for people to evacuate quickly, abandoning their vehicles, whether electric or internal combustion. In an emergency, the priority is to save lives, not to take care of vehicles. Electric Vehicles and Charging: While there are challenges with charging infrastructure for electric vehicles in some areas, this is unlikely to be the primary reason for cars being abandoned. Modern electric vehicles have sufficient range for everyday use, and while there are situations where an electric vehicle may not be able to charge, it is not the most logical explanation for why cars are abandoned in an area affected by an emergency.

[@northdakotaham1752]

California's problems are just beginning. Not going to be easy for them and they will likely wish they had made different choices.

[@redbaron6805]

Like there are no issues in the other 49 states.... have you left your mommy's basement in the last few decades...???

[@AgrippaMarcus]

absolutely the most obvious point !

[@cnursery]

Thank you for continuing to call out the lunacy.

[@phprofYT]

Small compact nuclear reactors in every region would open up freedom and self reliance community by community.

[@amandahuginkiss4098]

On a similar vein some cities are banning natural gas for home heating in newly built homes. Electric heating only. What are they supposed to do if the power goes out? Freeze to death?

[@redbaron6805]

Hate to break it to you, but literally 41% of homes in the USA have electric heat only, and 46% have gas heat. There are literally entire cities where gas heating or gas anything is basically unheard of....

[@davedunnunda]

God no! That world stop them from dying later from respiratory disease caused by gas burners. That would constitute preventative health care and the US doesn't believe in that shit.

[@zzz7815]

An old woolen blanket and 20ltre can of water is a good idea too Get under wet blanket to avoid smoke and embers

[@nickgood8166]

154 litres in my Hilux and 80 litres in 4 jerry cans in my tool room. That gives me 2,000 km of range.

[@redbaron6805]

And no one cares....

[@nickgood8166]

@redbaron6805 Self-refuting statement alert!

[@Guy-Gibsons-Dog]

@@nickgood8166 Check out redbaron's screaming replies to nearly every comment 🤣I suspect he is very Red indeed, comrade.

[@esm7708]

What's the point? Why would you suddenly need to drive 2000km?

[@kylereese4822]

And a lot of EXPLOSIVE vapours......

[@plug4uk696]

It wouldn't surprise me if it wasn't an EV that started the Californian fire in the first place.!

[@nigelyorkshiremanwadeley6263]

I will never, ever buy an EV, least of all because I simply can't afford one but even if I could, give me the dinosaur juice everyday...

[@MrkBO8]

I would escape first on the MVA but then have to come back to escape again on the Ducati, but its good for lane filtering so I could probably do it. Come back for the D Max after that.

[@leemace9638]

Always carry a pair of Roller Skates in ur EV boot 😅

[@RogerSutton-ik9fj]

We learn by doing. Like the Victorian bushfires it's time to insert Bushfire Attack Levels into California's Building Code for the rebuild. Problem is most won't have the insurance cover to rebuild at what's required to see it never recurs. Still it's a simple cut and paste from Australia's NCC just like the Cyclonic Code after Tracy.

[@WesternAustraliaNowAndThen]

Good point about EVs being useless in an emergency. EVs are not that answer, only a small part of it. I think that in 20 years time we will look back on them as a very expensive mistake.

[@redbaron6805]

Only if you failed every single physics class you ever took in your life...

[@Guy-Gibsons-Dog]

@@redbaron6805 Ad-Hommy from the Commie.

[@davedunnunda]

I think in 20 years you will look back, like many others in generations before you, and reflect on how stupid you were when you were young. 😊

[@esm7708]

You live in an incredibly sunny country. EVs are definitely the answer.

[@geoffhaviland]

Thanks!

[@Shakerhood69]

Terrifying for sure.

[@angulion]

Tbh, LA firedepartment have been much more concerned about DEI than their job, so I'm not surprised if everything burns..

[@TheZodiacz]

their fire chief can get together for a girls night with the New Zealand navy captain who sank her ship. Stunning and brave empowered wimmin!

[@redbaron6805]

That comment literally needs a separate category of stupid...

[@Guy-Gibsons-Dog]

Agreed Look at the press conference line ups - you wouldn't trust them with a grocery shopping list. Our friend in the comments section "redbaron6805" perhaps has a red wig?

[@chipseal9403]

If a ruler listens to lies, all his officials become wicked. (Proverbs chapter twenty-nine)

[@timhinchcliffe5372]

Keep an old beater of a car, don't bother registering it, police aren't going to pull you over in an emergency.

[@Svenson612]

Hello, I have a Mercedes W123D, which has used oil as fuel for 18 years. I have oil reserves from 15 years ago and it is still perfectly valid for the car. It can also be used in combined doses with oil and diesel, gasoline, kerosene, acetone, I have tested that myself. Now in Spain sunflower oil has gone up in price and is the same as diesel, so now I only use recycled oil. Regards.

[@louisvillaescusa]

Forty years ago, an electric car conversion to lead acid batteries was cheap and seen as a hobby vehicle. Now electric cars are very expensive and soon becomming mandatory here in California. I'm going to hang on to an ICE car for as long as possible because they're still not reliable transportation. And you're 100% right that that they're no good in a disaster.

[@redbaron6805]

Except there is literally ZERO evidence for any of your claims. Lithium Ion battery costs have already dropped by 90%, and will reach price parity with ICE cars in the next couple of years. I guarantee that you have no idea what the price range is for EV's, what the driving range is, what the lifespan is, or any of the actual facts of how they work. There is nothing preventing EV's from being reliable transportation, and there is nothing preventing them from working perfectly in a disaster. Just lack of elementary science education, physics, math and facts...

[@davedunnunda]

Mate, here in Australia EVs are becoming cheap as chips. We're getting 56 new models in from China this year. For you, they're super expensive because your government is trying to protect the US ICE auto industry by imposing 100% tarrifs on Chinese EVs. So if your EVs were half the price (no tarrifs) would you still have the same complaint? Don't blame the EVs, blame politics!

[@gossamera4665]

Can you provide free charging in the areas where the charging is already congested?? Yeah, that'll help...

[@kylereese4822]

Tesla do that for flooded and tornado hit areas.... ps google the cybertruck powering a gas station after a tornado.....

[@gullybull-rx2ng]

THEY MADE THEIR BED LIE IN IT!

[@redbaron6805]

Whatever grandpa... back to Matlock and a nap...

[@jeroenvanduyn2447]

You cannot keep spare petrol in your garage. It lasts only a couple of months before the ethanol turns to vinegar.

[@davidbendall7919]

EVs are NOT worthless in an emergency. They are excellent for starting long burning fire. They will keep you warm til help arrives. They even come with a complimentary bag of marshmallows.

[@garynew9637]

😂😂😂

[@greengooflight]

EV fires are like cars blow up like in movies