Remington-Rider Magazine Pistol

One of many firearms developed for Remington by Joseph Rider was the Rider Magazine Pistol - a manually operated 5-shot repeater chambered for the .32 extra-short rimfire cartridge (the same round used by the Chicago Palm Protector). It used a tube magazine under the barrel and a simple but clever vertically shifting breechblock to give an impressive amount of firepower in small (and particularly flat and narrow) package. About 15,000 of these were made between 1871 and 1888, and they represent one of the few American uses of a tube magazine in a handgun - a combination more popular in Austria (and which was instrumental in the development of semiautomatic handguns there).
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[@sarjim4381]

If Remington made a reproduction in .22LR with four or five rounds, I'd buy one. Neat little gun.

[@flightlesschicken7769]

Would need to be longer I'd imagine.

[@d3734]

22 short would work a lot better, because 22 lr bullets are exactly an inch long. So it would need a 5 inch+ barrel for 5 shots...

[@GrasshopperKelly]

@@d3734 remmember, the shell has to be pushed into the tray by the spring, and the action move far enough back to fit the length of each shell aswell. So even with just 4 rounds, you'll have a 6-7" long pistol including the grip

[@d3734]

Grasshopper K And compare that to an NAA mini revolver, I have a Black Widow and it is under 6 inches total with 5 shots of 22 _magnum_. And that thing is quite accurate and even has adjustable sights. But I think a recreation of this gun would be a cool range toy for sure.

[@GrasshopperKelly]

@@d3734 a modern replica with minimal editing would be fantastic. Especially if Remington try sticking to hand crafting where necessary. As and Engineer, I'm all for using digital and mechanical everything for manufacture. But as a carpenter, and also an engineer. I understand why it's not physically possible to recreate exact replicas of things like the NASA F1 engine. Over 60% of the construction used hand welds. The F1A1 blueprints today, took 2 decades of trial and error to make a modern equivelant, for today's tools and skill sets.

[@crazyirishmedic9535]

I would take one in .22 short or a caliber that is still made in a heartbeat.

[@CommodoreFan64]

Same, make it cheap, and cheerful, with a few modern touches, and this would make a great pocket carry gun for times you did not want to be loaded down with something heavier, but just enough to make a good "gut buster" defense weapon.

[@esper6119]

absolutely even if not for defense, just the nifty mechanism would make for fun plinking i'm sure

[@evanwickstrom5698]

.50 AE or bust

[@reallydontlikethem]

@@evanwickstrom5698 does it take glock magazines? can I get it in 300. winmag

[@generalkenobi4509]

@@evanwickstrom5698 nah i was thinking about .30-06 or .45-70

[@BradMurray]

Man, this is SO CLOSE to an autoloading design -- I can't imagine it would need to change much to have that cocking lever come back on blowback/recoil.

[@generalkenobi4509]

Ikr! Edit: if it were/if there was another model but semi auto that would be like my favorite pistol ever

[@thewaraboo2824]

Why is it that Remington could make a successful unconventional pistol 130 years ago, but can't make a successful conventional pistol today?

[@GrasshopperKelly]

Those staff at Remington are either a pot of Ash, or 6 foot under unfortunately....

[@dr.johnpaladinshow9747]

Our society in decay.

[@stans977]

because it's hard....lol

[@amanaje4743]

@@dr.johnpaladinshow9747 or because most of the good engineers and designers are well... dead?

[@jonesclantd]

Freedom Group, that's why

[@DEP717]

I have one of these. A relative a long ways back was a riverboat gambler. I love the thumb action, have never seen another one out there until now. It is unbelievably slick and second nature. Mad respect to your ability to find rare pieces. My magazine lacks spring and follower. Neat to finally see an intact one.

[@highlandoutsider8148]

nice revel of the sights there, managed to keep that all sneaky till the end, well played sir. lol

[@sudmuck]

They need to put this gun back into production! A magazine-fed deringer-like gun? Whats not to love?

[@SporkmanBW]

For the time, that has to be one of the best concealed-carry pistols available. Not a huge punch, but it's not outright anemic and you've got more than a couple shots to work with.

[@EnLaMatrix1]

A baby lever-action!? **puts monocle back on** Truly marvelous!

[@Jesses001]

You know, if you make that longer so it can accept about 4 or 5 rounds of a modern caliber like .32ACP or .32NAA, and I think that would still sell today as a conceal option. I mean, North American Arms still sells the hell out of their little single action revolvers. This could compete well with those revolvers.

[@frankatchison2519]

Yeah' a flat nosed cartridge would work. A .22 rimfire would be cool too.

[@sjwsarepathetic6287]

.22 Short would be practical for this design.

[@dogwhisperer5956]

That thing needs a revamp n re-release

[@phileas007]

like almost every other gun on this channel !!!

[@aspenfacer-valentine4397]

+Laird Cummings Or .25 ACP, if you want to market it for self defense rather than a range toy. It isn't much more powerful, but people kind of sneer upon the concept of using rimfire for self defense.

[@CommodoreFan64]

+Laird Cummings Also don't forget a few more inches over, and former President Roland Reagan would have been killed with a Röhm RG-14 .22LR blue steel revolver had it hit him right in the heart. You just need to be a good shot with .22 short and .22LR for it to be effective, but hit someone in the knee caps with .22LR at a short distance with a small hidden .22LR pistol, and you will at least drop them to their knees no doubt.

[@SuperFunkmachine]

Add a grip safety and under barrel laser.

[@SuperFunkmachine]

25 acp is better for some conversions being centre fire.

[@slaughterhound8793]

You can really see the "Remington" in this one, reminds me of a tiny Rolling Block, with the way the action works.

[@Ezio_Auditore_Assassin]

This gun has really incredibly awesome design! I think modern gun manufacturer should reproduce it!

[@howardmaryon-davis666]

Your comment about the lack of engraving reminds me of a conversation with a master engrave here in England. We were talking about modern mass-produced shotguns that are covered in embossed or acid etched “engraving” and I asked why the manufacturers did not leave the guns just plain? He replied that it was more time-consuming to finish a gun perfect “in the white” finish to cover up any minor cosmetic imperfections, and putting on sometimes overdone embellishment actually made the guns cheaper to make.

[@mikesummers-smith4091]

From another field, "This example of this book commands a premium price - it hasn't been signed by the author."

[@Daemascus]

Glad I clicked, thought it was just a two shot.

[@aransmeallie5344]

phwoar, this is one of the coolest pistols ive seen on here in a while

[@killerpeaches7]

Agreed, The White pistols, etc, really didn't hit my interest, though the little full auto 22 from mexico was neat. But this is one I wish somebody would make a modern version of, I think in a modern caliber it would make a neat competitor to the bond arms derringers, NAA mini revolvers, etc.

[@ThePandoraGuy]

I want to size it up to 9mm, with a of course longer barrel, a detachable tube mag and bigger grip, just for shits and giggles. Gentlemen, we have the technology to rebuild the Remington Rider Pistol. Better than it was before. Better... Stronger... Faster.

[@ThePandoraGuy]

@keith_moore: And how do you lock this monstrosity? You whould need a locking mechanism like the Desert Eagle or AR-15 to lock safely, we should stay in realistic, achieveable dimensions. Biggest we could make it safely is .375 Magnum but a soft mix.

[@One-Armed-Un-Boxer]

Don't forget what happens when Remington tries to "upgrade" old classics.

[@killerpeaches7]

Considering the ballistic worthlessness of both those choices, I'd still pass. 32 ACP would make a nice compromise between the extremes.

[@richardelliott9511]

Rewatching this, I am wondering if a full size version with a King's loading gate could have given the revolver a run for it's money. You can't run a Volcanic with one hand, a major down fall, this you can! Ah, the possibilities?

[@cudwieser3952]

Ian's got a special wand. When did you get the little Fibre Optic Torch for looking through barrels?

[@SgtKOnyx]

Colum Peel this looks close shop.brownells.com/gunsmith-tools-supplies/general-gunsmith-tools/bore-lights/militaria-borelight-sku622000002-54129-105602.aspx?cm_mmc=PPC-_-Itwine-_-Google-_-622-000-002&gclid=COGo_pfIq9MCFQYJaQodtm4D-g

[@moonrazk]

I'm glad he did that, I mentioned it'd be a good idea for him to carry one around a little while ago, many times he'd want to show something on the inside of a gun and say "you can't really see it but it's there".

[@cudwieser3952]

$6 well spent :)

[@CommodoreFan64]

You could also just make one if you have an old small pen light laying around your shop, and some soft clear tubing.

[@ToastyMozart]

+moonra Now all he needs is a set of snap-caps.

[@christianpaul3303]

A quick search finds that there are in fact companies still producing brass in .32 cal extra short - if you don't mind paying $3-$4 a round. This looks like it would be very reliable as well. Handsome little gun.

[@robertkubrick3738]

Being gutshot by anything was a death sentence, possibly delayed/lingering.

[@user-ik2kj7sj7f]

I'm a large fan of this channel, the products you display, and the no-nonsense delivery you have. Thank You!

[@JiuJitsuCowboy1]

This show is awesome, reminds me of Tales of the Gun before the history channel turned to garbage

[@jakerelind5577]

Never thought I'd come across someone else that watched that series.

[@JiuJitsuCowboy1]

Everyday after school from about 4th grade till they changed the afternoon line up, then always when I happened to catch it on. That was when you could actually learn things from watching the history channel.

[@exist7415]

Garbage indeed

[@richarddixon7276]

I used to Love that show , it was only shown for a couple of series here in the UK , I wondered where it had gone .

[@DK-nv9zu]

Reminds me of the North American Arms mini revolvers. Surprisingly fun to plink with

[@fuzzydunlop7928]

That'd be a real sleeper of a CC pistol. EDIT: SPOILER ALERT: When Ian turned the firearm sideways and revealed the aperture sight, my whimsy could barely be contained.

[@johnasbury7511]

Actually you wouldn't need a permit it's made before the U.S. government deems it modern firearms

[@mauer594]

@@johnasbury7511 In many states you still need a CC permit to carry antique firearms.

[@Gurren813]

Hidden sidearm for our new mandalorian friend, perhaps? Also, could you "Fan the Hammer" on this thing. it's funny to think about someone doing that.

[@NetVoyagerOne]

I would love to see that mechanism on a tube-fed carbine, replacing a lever action. You wouldn't need to take your finger off the trigger, or tilt the gun while laying prone with it.

[@Em-qc6sl]

Man I really need one

[@Em-qc6sl]

Oh ok thx man

[@rolthox]

Paul Ainsworth How'd you end up here?

[@Em-qc6sl]

Yeah i know i just read the other comments 😅

[@jeremym785]

Thanks for all your videos.

[@jacobstaten2366]

I want some tube fed semiautomatic pistols so you can top off, especially 10 round capacity for our brothers in California.

[@flavortown3781]

Would 100% carry this if it was the only other option to revolvers tbh this is slicker than any of the rig triggers imo I don't think it would have enough power to really use the sights in a defensive situation but for parlor tricks it'd be fun.

[@tangero3462]

This is one of few old pieces like this that I now absolutely have to have

[@workingguy6666]

I like it. Thanks for highlighting it.

[@jasonadams1632]

Amazing item and video as always.

[@mmercier0921]

Some of the most beautiful things are the most simple.

[@Asgar1205]

lol, opened the page being like "maybe there is something new" -> uploaded 44 seconds ago :D

[@dtcb1]

wow! a brilliant piece of mechanics!

[@badcallsign4204]

What a nice little pistol! I bet if I was around back then, I would be a big Remington fan.

[@natedunn51]

that bore light was really cool

[@binkbonkbones3402]

I could see this being adapted for a modern clip and working quite well

[@4.0.4]

This is so simple and elegant.

[@kahunamcd1]

The lever action volcanic pistol was tube gun as well

[@OnlyKaerius]

Maybe that's why there weren't a lot of tube fed pistols, bad rep.

[@georgewhitworth9742]

@@OnlyKaerius More likely that the revolvers just worked, and there wasn't a need to expand on repeating pistols

[@timhofstetter5654]

That's really a pretty brilliant cartridge exchange system.

[@gabenplznerf1093]

This is a pretty slick little plinker

[@flmail7126]

Such an amazing piece of craftmanship! Very cool gun, I'd like to own one but I guess it's pretty expensive

[@jerrydonquixote5927]

Good review Ian and very interesting gun. I just remembered my dad used to have in the seventies a book of guns of the old west, and it had some cool looking guns, some that I've never seen in a KZbin review or anywhere else and I was just thinking how much I used to love to look at that every now and then. I would just admire those guns and wonder what it would be like to shoot one or have one or whatever and now to get to see all these guns on KZbin is just really nice. I've got to shoot a fair amount of unique and interesting guns in my day as well.

[@unspokentruths6416]

That is such a cool little gun.

[@lesio80]

An amazing little thing.

[@braydenh190]

Very cool weapon. Nice Video!

[@killerpeaches7]

Would love to see a modernized version, in a modern cf caliber, even at the cost of capacity. Seems like a slick design.

[@LeminskiTankscor]

Beautiful, and look actually practical.

[@drmaudio]

A tiny little lever gun. I like it!

[@rymanjones3]

such a cool gun.

[@daveweller9579]

Very clever design

[@robertpapps3618]

Amazing!

[@troy9477]

Neat design. Great use of space. Was the 32 long rimfire ever made with, say, a 3 shot capacity? I suspect years later it could have been made in 32 S&W (short), which has the advantage of being centerfire. a 4 shot one would be a nice little package. Or 5, but the barrel and mag tube would have to be a little longer. The sights are great- the designer was thinking. If caseless ammo ever takes off, one could make a modern version in say 38 cal and u wouldn't have to make provision for ejecting. That would be really interesting

[@Mbartel500]

Very clever design and quite an attractive piece. This period in firearms development saw many creative designs of small pocket pistols. This little beauty would hide quite well in a vest pocket or in a lady's purse.

[@OneTakeBeats]

i really like this!! liked and subbed!

[@llljustcallhimdave]

Came to this video after watching the video on the Oerlikon 20mm Antiaircraft Cannon, talk about going from one extreme to the other.

[@blue2usk330]

the extraction mechanism reminds me of the one in Kel Tec's RFB

[@garyneilson1833]

Great looking gun, I was wondering how small the cartridges would have been ?

[@alfredosantanabarrientos6580]

They should make a .22 short modern version... It's little, and very concealable...

[@willrun4fun]

Super neat.

[@lidanasab9767]

Your voice is extremely therapeutic Ian

[@michaelc.4321]

Ah man I love these things

[@anthonywilliams379]

All these somewhat simple guns you guys feature,something like that would be such an interesting piece for any collector if someone made some for .22 short or other mouse gun cartridges,arguably it might be a better option than some mouse gun revolvers.

[@Rick1885]

I'd love to see a modern replica of this.

[@pommel47]

The Czech Great Guns double barrel percussion derringer has a similar , though larger, silhouette. You can watch it on our Hungarian friend's Cap & Ball channel.

[@calvingreene90]

Operates like a single action revolver but very slim. Very nice.

[@evilscience3164]

Quite interesting indeed.

[@badazzmaro]

This one's really cool I have to say

[@johnasbury7511]

I really would have liked to see even a picture of the ammo

[@TheCokoll]

would be interesting to try and make it a blow back action with a spring in a handle, with a bolt going down into the grip

[@aljr357]

Ohh that would look so good blued. If I could afford it I definitely would be bidding on that one.

[@davidsachs4883]

Looking in Barnes’s “cartridges of the world” the 32 extra short has a case length of .398” and a cartridge length of .645”. In metric that’s just over 10mm and 16mm. Very stubby cartridges Bullet weight was 54-60 grains, so just under 4 grams, with a powder charge of 5 to 5.5 grains. Estimated muzzle velocity about 650 ft/sec or compost 200 m/sec. estimated energy is 51 ft/lbs. for comparison a 22 short from a pistol has 68-72 ft/lbs depending on the manufacturer

[@fsgtadZ]

Is it bad that I want a reproduction scaled up to 9mm as a novelty?

[@jaxxons11]

Thomas Doyle why stop at 9? I say scale one up to something ridiculous like .41AE or 10MM and make heads explode.

[@ezekielglenn5009]

Not entirely in 380 or 9mm it could make a nice conceal Carry option it could make a mini revolver sized but more powerful. It could be made into a simple semi auto configuration 2+1 9mm version or 3 +1 380 version

[@crazyfvck]

That's just awesome! :)

[@madzak9847]

it is soooo sad that you dont shoot this antiques :(

[@stewartmatthews1551]

Nice awesome gun it's to bad that there are not alot of them

[@MichaelOZimmermannJCDECS]

A very interesting little gun. Would be perfect for 22short, probably could be manufactured for 22 long.

[@pasquarielloanthony]

That's an awesome flashlight

[@daviddonaghy7568]

I used to have one. Was given to me by an old man I knew. Had to sell it when times got tough.

[@robertbogan225]

A version in 22 short would be shootable not sure where anyone could find 32 extra short it would be fun shooting shorts out of this

[@MrFlathead45]

.32 x-short is probably more expensive than the gun that shoots it. Lol

[@seanlewis66]

One in 22 short would be a nice keychain gun some one trys to car jack you you act like you're handing them your keys and boom no more knee caps

[@WalkaCrookedLine]

Notice the band-aid on Ian's left ring finger. Ian frequently seems to have various scrapes and cuts on his hands in these videos. I don't think he gets as much credit as he deserves for putting his skin on the line for our benefit.

[@kevinangus4848]

I'm not a gun owner, but a huge fan of odd designs. I would love to have seen more of its innards, but NEEDED to see at least one .32 EXTRA short bullet!! I wanted to go, "jeez, who'd've thot" . 😁

[@anthonywilliams379]

This could actually be an interesting concept using a stubby necked cartrige

[@OnlyKaerius]

Hmm something like a .380 necked down to .32?

[@anthonywilliams379]

@@OnlyKaerius perhaps, or maybe even smaller into .25 or .22 territory

[@RevOwOlutionary]

That's the most adorable magazine I've ever seen.

[@D3faulted1]

Looks like it's only a step or two from being a self loader. Scale it up a bit, add a dis-connector, trigger guard, and make it a blow back.

[@dr.johnpaladinshow9747]

Possibly the coolest firearm on FW to date. I REALLY like this gun!! I'd like one in.38 Special or even .25 auto. Maybe 9mm or....

[@tonlito22]

It's so weird being reminded how long the Vetterli rifle was around.

[@ScottKenny1978]

That's really cool! I'm thinking a modern version in .32ACP? Would probably only hold 4 rounds.

[@BIG-DIPPER-56]

COOL ! ! ! That's a cute little pistol ! ! ! 🙂😎👍

[@Tiger351]

Anyone else thinking this is only a few steps away from making a repeating rolling block rifle?

[@spef7396]

another totally epic vid

[@TomCamComedy]

Paul Ainsworth don't be mean

[@brynmontague3792]

i love your profile pic xD

[@Cthippo1]

Do a video on the Stoner 63!

[@alancrews2066]

Cool

[@otm646]

Great video. It would be nice to cut in a photo of the cartridge to better help us picture something this uncommon.

[@FroggyMudcat]

A modern tube fed pistol would be badass

[@andyrihn1]

Looks like a tube fed repeating rolling block

[@Halinspark]

It's funny that the tiny concealed carry defense pistol has better sights than most things we see from that time.