Remo's honest take on Warcraft 3: PATCH 2.0 so far

[@TheOverlordi]

But Bro. Asking them to delete the graphics would screw over so many good projects like Insane Monsters Re-Reforged Project and the awsome work of the LoreCraft community. Don't ask for this man.

[@tamplier3724]

They should not Delete Reforged HD, they should have just make some light tweaks and rendering optimization, instead ythey butchered the textures and made them inconsistent

[@rn-bs8vz]

This guy is damn right ,I believe in him more than blizzard

[@tamplier3724]

Reforged has decent custom campaings with cinematic quality. Insane Mosnters Re-Reforged and Cronicles of the Second War. Don't Ask blizzard to Delete Reforged graphics!

[@rn-bs8vz]

Yes we want these graphics,they just need fix , removing them isn't the solution

[@Karifean]

Working on Warcraft III does seem like a rather thankless job in general, I respect anyone willing to take that on to the best of their abilities.

[@FrozenZerg]

Every good changes they made on the Home page with the 2.0 feel wasted because they didn't change the main issue which is that kind of weird engine that feel disparate from the rest of the game. Even now it doesn't feel enough responsive, there is a kind of annoying delays when you are clicking of that interface, even when you are typing in the chat. Landscapes should have been remade in 3D with the good old animations and there should have been an option to even toggle the old graphisms for those landscapes. They should have really remade all the original models into real HD. Personally I would even immediately purchase it if it was done as a DLC. I also personally have an issue where I can't play in full screen windowed mode because it gives me 5sec of black screen after each alt tab. This doesn't happens in normal windowed mode and it really piss me off (I've seen other people having the same issue).

[@swaggyeggs]

Yes, they put the nice guys in charge so they are easier to control by the higher ups. Like how that previous lead designer was mangled.

[@svsv1191]

What do you mean? It's not a charity, they get a salary and that's it.Either blizz pays a salary your happy with or do something else

[@harktischris]

@@svsv1191 if you're at blizz you can either get paid to work on something new and exciting, or you can paid the same amount to work an on under-funded, thankless reforged title where you can't get the necessary staffing and budget to truly make the improvements you want to, and is probably more of a career dead-end compared to a different project. at that point people have to be doing it bc they care about the game itself, even if they're basically set up for systematic failure. that's what OP is talking about. there's more to work and life than the numerical amount of your salary.

[@RobinOnTour]

Because it doesn't pay They need to add buyable skins and loot to make a buck

[@Asdfseh]

This entire reforged must be purged.

[@KnowWhatTheyKnow]

Your main argument is that you wish they scrapped reforged and started anew but that’s a very short sighted argument. There is a ton a content and custom campaigns that now rely on reforged

[@ZafrasF]

Also a ton of work for which nobody is paying.

[@Sebastian-xy2up]

Externalize that work to volunteers. You'll find them. Because the volunteers not necessarly want to be paid, rather revitalize the game (not saying those volunteers and modders do not deserve pay). I think there is a lot of untouched resources out there. The amount of work is not the argument, rather how you manage to get things done. Game industry should think of new concepts of collaboration, like there are volunteer parents who help kindergardens if they run low on resources.

[@bloomygloomberg756]

Damn this models are so good, unfortunatly we will never see them in game

[@Deathl_O_r_d]

They are custom models lol, many use them in their custom map and you can too they don't need any graphical changes they work on Classic SD already.

[@UnStop4ble]

Completely agree, love the honesty

[@Infernal_Elf]

As a fan of Blizzard games since 1998 it really struck me how the oldest guy at the 30th anniversary was ian Hazzikostas joined around 2008. its plain dumb that they dident bring in Samwise Didier , Mike Morhaime , or Frank Pearce. Heck they dident even get Metzen to talk he is even currently employed.

[@kokorochin01]

you know why none of the old timers are there ; because they all disagreed with the direction the company took; and after countless arguments left

[@tise7709]

I cant blame Morhaime not being there after what the activision suits did to him

[@kokorochin01]

The old Blizzard we all loved is dead, it died a long time ago it's a fact. Now the best they can hope to produce is fresh vanilla wow, and yet they still fuck it up with dumb choices lol

[@bacanabb]

BLIZZ FRICKIN HIRE HIVE WORKSHOP MASTERMINDS, THEY'LL TAKE A SHITTY PAY TO SAVE THE GAME

[@RobinOnTour]

Bump

[@Jettboyyy]

They cannot delete the old graphic settings. Its an investment which is better to have rather than to remove. Remember - there are people who enjoy these graphics. The entire LoreCraft studio remaster of Warcraft 2 is based on these assets.

[@swaggyeggs]

Just fork classic and reforged. It's easier to make two separate groups happy than one mixed group.

[@_zelos]

7:29 Obviously a lie. If they had more up their sleeves, what they have now released would be much more finished. You can see everywhere how much it's been rushed - there can't be any capacity for more. You can also see everywhere that everything was done with as little effort as possible -> hotkeys no items, promo material obviously made with AI, textures obviously pulled through an upscaler and even that with a few more polygons per model can be generated automatically. So quite honestly, significantly more bugs than before, significantly worse performance for auto-generated stuff and to sell this as a remaster is just cheeky. It's a redaster, not a remaster.

[@RobinOnTour]

Its a copy of the first reforge release

[@DamageSoftware]

Totally agree with Remo's take. They just need to give the remaster task to the team that worked in Diablo 2 Ressurected.

[@fred-le-reveur]

Totally agree, especially the part at 6:00 on how Reforged should look like

[@tamplier3724]

you want to destroy all custom content that was made by poeple for the last 4 years?

[@karpai5427]

@@tamplier3724 yes. They already ruined everything that was made for the past 20 years.

[@tamplier3724]

@@karpai5427 Dont ask them to ruin more

[@tamplier3724]

How can you say that Reforged HD is bad after this? kzbin.info/www/bejne/g4bZgGODpq-sea8

[@rn-bs8vz]

This is a masterpiece truly it deserves a gold medal

[@TheAdventuresofTNT]

After being on w3 champs it’s hard going back to bnet. They just can’t get it right.

[@3Brilliance]

Why are so many people so quick to discard the Reforged assets? Some of us actually enjoy them, you know. Just like you enjoy your classic graphics. Don't be so quick to give judgement.

[@ZafrasF]

Yeah, I think the Reforged assets are ok, could use some polishing, but they are pretty nice. Much better than what Remo is showing at 6:14.

[@3Brilliance]

​@@ZafrasFAll i wish is that they complete BlizzCon2018's vision of Reforged.

[@DanteVerde-pt9zc]

@@3Brilliance the original team for Reforged is gone unfortunately, I believe they we're sacked even before Reforged was released

[@terryboi33]

The example models that Remo shows seems like the old game to me

[@affensteiner4721]

completely agree with your first statement , he was real when talking about wc3, Holly and 1 other person was clearly just reading from a telepromt, which made it robotic and forced

[@Icecreature]

I prefer reforged graphic over clasic or hd and 2.0 is good with more options to turn on/off some parts of it.

[@RobinOnTour]

They need to make this game free to play and at the same time monetize it otherwise nothing big will happen

[@RobinOnTour]

My hotkeys don't work anymore, the client is full of bugs and they removed duo q from 4v4 Literally reforged 2 They atleast need to bring back unranked mode where you can q up fast and easily with friends

[@daniyarmukanov9569]

I like reforged models, they are amazing!

[@vernonLV]

They act like everyone hates them

[@horsemumbler1]

Everyone worth paying attention to hates them. Even if you like the style you have to acknowledge that the implementation was terrible, there's simply no way around it.

[@Khantia]

I like the reforged graphics. I don't like the reforged VFX. Chain Lightning is so hard to see. So I actually appreciate 2.0.

[@magusto627]

One thing I can mention. Remo is not a gullible man. Thanks for the critical thinking

[@Dorgrident]

i commented this multiple times: i accept their apology, for anything else, the future will tell.

[@Nalivaykaable]

Fully agree, the core is to renew, instead of fully new

[@derschnuff8819]

Not touching the models/units textures at all does not work. The new terrain is much better, since it gets rid of the dirty noisy subtextures, that were all over the place....but the textures of units and buildings are still like that. Does not work together. Crunch-Update. I loved the Orc-Fakepromo or the Human Fakepromo shots, which looked way more like the original art style.

[@ayansingharoy537]

Warcraft 3 2.0 is heart breaking... We need warcraft 4 which can bring something new in RTS genre...

[@scratcharmstrong]

Oh yeah. One of those 10 Minutes and some seconds Video.

[@codingcrashcourses8533]

Regarding the Wc1 and Wc2 models: Many people hate on them because "they look like the graphics of these fake mobil game adds". I am not sure about if I like them or not. I am currently happy, that it did not get worse (my expectations got low). In general, the patch feels somewhat half-ass. Why not something like AoM Retold? I give this announcement a solid 5/10, which seems to be a high praise for the current blizzard, but I am on the other side quite disappointed, that this patch also means, that we will probably never see some high-effort remasters/remakes or the games that we love so much.

[@EzMC2]

HOTS models are also god tier…

[@maacy6796]

So much hatred for improving N64 graphics, my friends the Reforged graphics are fine they try more to be more faithful to the cutscenes and all the official artwork of Warcraft 3

[@Lucas60195]

Not every WC3 player is a ladder, custom map or any other form of multiplayer enjoyer. If they scrap reforged, many amazing projects like CSW, WC3 re-reforged and Lore & Legends campaigns will die. How long have we been waiting for a faithful remake or retelling of the old games? The singleplayer portion is an important part of the game, and even made WoW possible. Do you really trust corporate greed Blizzard to do that work for us? When they just did a lazy ai upscaling for this update?

[@GDLRenoBlade]

I was expecting WC1-3 to be in a new WC4 game (using unreal engine) including all story from WC1-3 and WOW with all the cinematics, but with much better graphics than old WC games or WOW.

[@svsv1191]

Unreal engine rts suck it's a 3d engine not a rts engine

[@IvanGarcia-ke3lo]

Wc1 and wc2 are being remastered properly by Lorecraft. Check out Chronicles of the Second War

[@TheTulioChannel]

couldn't find this brad guy on wcg so im suspicious, badge said 07 canada, but found no records on that

[@PKandME]

Which player was this Brad guy?

[@woodwoodwoodwoodwoodwood]

How to support this video more? Thats very honest and right!

[@ValtheJean]

I can live with the terrible reforged models, I've just come to accept that we're not going to get a cartoony heroes of the storm style look for reforged. But what I can't live with is the lack of the promised revamped campaign and cutscenes. A handful of maps that have a bit different layout doesn't cut it. They could have even made new campaigns to play, monetized similarly to nova covert ops in starcraft 2. I would have been more than happy to support that. But unfortunately, it sounds like this is what Blizzard is happy with and reforged will remain deforged.

[@IvanGarcia-ke3lo]

You're asking for Insanemonster's Re-reforged campaign. It's in the works, but wc3 2.0 was a huge blow to it.

[@9ij5]

I dont trust a word brad said :(

[@JmacBogan]

If you play with reforged graphics for the full campaign, you can adapt. I still prefer classic because I watch B2W

[@thorw4ld]

i hate the look of wc1 remaster, looks like a mobile game, and the messed up the aspect ratio cause they apparently dont know about long pixels

[@DeatheyeHardcore]

I completely agree with Remo on his take about Warcraft 3, but have to disagree with Warcraft 1 and 2. The remastered versions of those 2 games look like browsergames from 15 years ago to me, losing the old charme of the games, kinda plastic-like look.

[@davidseleznova3199]

Blizzard is cursed, to put it simply. Irvine deserves a meteorite from the Gods of the cosmos. I've never seen a company of this size and magnitude use this level of manipulation. AI creations on top of Warcraft III 3D models as non-binding promotional material. LAUNCHING TWO TITLES using that same concept of drawing over pixels or polygons with such catastrophic results. (They could be worst but the principle remains)

[@russellhammond6428]

It does look a little too cartoony

[@DanteVerde-pt9zc]

@@russellhammond6428 I mean cartoony is what it was back then.. they just have more pixels now

[@russellhammond6428]

@@DanteVerde-pt9zc yeh you're right. It just looks a little extra cartoony I suppose. I can understand why people say it looks like a mobile game. Overall though in pretty happy with WC1 and 2 remastered. I think WC2 looks better somehow, there's just something very slightly off about it on WC1 can't quite put my finger on it

[@ayoutuber3116]

Reforged 2.0 a.k.a half-assed attempt at finessing the sophisticated W3 communtity.

[@nutrino75]

Its called toxic positivity......

[@stillownya]

Rumors say Amber Heard loves Reforged

[@Back2Warcraft]

goated comment xD

[@Leny1777]

I like Reforged graphics

[@rainphantom]

It's not enough and still too little too late

[@irineustrenger5613]

At this point they should just consider making WC4

[@RobinOnTour]

4:05 facts

[@Kalista1444]

They show an effort to make this a good game again but so far all they did is give us a similar version of a game we already had before reforged + some AI upscaling and really basic menu settings. It needs so much more than a small team who polishes the current state of the game in order to fix reforged or improve wc3 at all. E.G I agree with you that reforged models should be created from scratch again. But i don't see changes like this happening any time soon.

[@CaseyRyback88]

They gonna RUIN REFORGED two times. LMAO.

[@Nordwald0]

Weird take focusing on a graphic set no one uses anyway and which was not the focus of the patch. Classic HD is fine.

[@Akram-101.0]

This update was a disappointment let's be real. The jump from 1.3 to 2.0 was supposed to bring something new to the actual game.

[@edsonsiraog1721]

Its a new beggining

[@Hadrian-p6d]

It was a marketing strategy😂

[@RobinOnTour]

Ye the old reforged had less bugs and my hotkeys worked, no they screwed up the hotkeys and the txt doesn't get read properly anymore

[@philippecote8571]

It's a fun little better than nothing but yeah a pile of turd is a pile of turd. Everyone uses the old classic graphics, at least this classic HD option beats reforged. Still feels weird to play so far.

[@caramuja]

Calling this patch 2.0 is a fucking joke, but well.. at least it didn't break w3c, I guess

[@henrychu5918]

you know while I think for now it's fun to play around with the graphic setting for now. I cant help but feel that this is just paving the way to SELLING skins in wc3. micro transaction in wc3, yeah~

[@pondohwa]

Deleting reforged sadly not gonna happen. Though I would like it very much. To do so we need true-blizzard, like they were 15 years ago. But then again - those blizzard wouldnt even release this sort of, ehm, "product".

[@swaggyeggs]

True words spoken. Reforged turd needs to get ditched. Don't throw good money after bad money.

[@ZafrasF]

6:14 I don't like that Gul'dan or that Ogre, they look horrible IMO.

[@zajebanosaurus]

go Remo!

[@thaihanguyen1036]

new graphic would be too expensive to make, then don't advertise it, people loose money buying a product that doesn't true to what they advertised - that a malicious and scummy practice on marketing department

[@Deathl_O_r_d]

There are ppl who actually like Reforged assets and the Reforged custom campaigns use these assets, Saying that they are a pile turd is an exaggeration, they are ok and can be better if they polish it and your reaction is very close minded, Warcraft 3 has several type of communities, Ppl that are diehard enjoyers of the Classic and don't like any changes or ppl that like Reforged graphics but can't use them properly because they cause crash and performance issues and the ppl that wanted Classic style graphic but more high res and upscaled which they did with Classic HD; It's actually better than what you are suggesting to delete all the work worth of who knows how much while they just did give players choices, which was the best thing to do to satisfy everyone. At this point if they wanted to start from scratch they should just go for Warcraft 4.

[@WhiteDragonOfLight]

I can tell you are not a map maker, you can't just scrap the reforged models at this point. People are using the rigs and textures for thier own creations. Custom games would break in half the second you try something like this. The cats out of the box now, their is no going back.

[@Kievlar]

Remo is soooo negative here 😅. I love my boi Remo but let's give some time.

[@jovonrosen8417]

Ya let's give them another 20 years before giving any criticism amirite?

[@Kievlar]

@jovonrosen8417 exactly

[@ИльяКарасев-т4ш]

#BLIZZARD_DONT_KILL_CSW

[@Silence-qm3ku]

Its amazing how many times you can repeat the same thing over and over to get to 10 min video

[@NeonReaperMkVII]

Couldn't care less about the graphics, I wanted a bigger group size or some other QoL things. For me nothing has changed with this patch.

[@worgenlord3424]

Just delete reforged grapics

[@ThadeuBadalotti]

Sadly new models will only happen with a warcraft 4. I think this update is a great strat and hope they dont give up on updating RTS games.

[@grizzlypaws461]

Yes. Honestly this was worst case scenario. They doubled down on Reforged. Now they have three graphical options Classic, Classic HD and Reforged with HD tied to Reforged. That’s a hot mess and impossible for them to maintain. Just glad they did not get rid of Classic! I agree with others that there is no way they delete the Reforged graphics.

[@foxy2348]

omg how often can you say the same anry thing? We got it you don't like the new graphics ^^

[@RafaelRodriguez-sg5ss]

Honestly I’m not a fan of the models presented by wtii. Theyre good but they look poor. I think they are absolutely good for readability and pro players but thats it, they are quite mediocre visually

[@Artifex_Maho]

BIG L take... Reforged enviroment with HD classic models is absolute god tier. Ive been waiting for this for more than 20 years

[@ZacharyZorbas]

They could still revamp reforged graphics. They may just want to leave the systems in place for it that they have now. It's better that they keep the framework and just update all the models with brand new designs.

[@sniperjelly9537]

I don't believe in "if it's broken, we fix it". Look at reforged now. It's an incoherent mess; you try to fix something 3 more things broken. The entire game look like they duct tape everything together. This entire game needs to be purged.

[@russellhammond6428]

I'm still hoping they'll get it right eventually, it's OK but there's some that still feels tacky about it all

[@sunnaum]

you can definitely polish shit, but it's still shit. EA has been doing it for ages and making money out of shiny piles of shit

[@RolfReibach]

With a realistic view: - they did a good job on the re-reforged so far with massive improvements - we can be lucky they still support the game after all this time and the little money they can expect to ear here - i simply disagree on the point that all reforged content should be deleted. there are some good models and graphic options out there. pure nostalgica does not win a race (yes, classic is way better still imo) - give the new team a hug. it will not help anybody if we make them feel guilty for the bad recent years. if you shame them, they not gonna stay (positive critique is fine) - the hardcore WC3 base could accept some new thoughts and ideas. there is no need to listen and implement everything the community wants at once. they focused on the important things first. maybe we get some nice fresh options in the future (e.g. other races and campaingns as an add on)

[@alexsaho572]

I completely agree with your take here Remo. They need to RE- DO the whole thing again, not only upscale Classic HD graphics.

[@rossaryrose9337]

I disagree on proposed graphics of what wc3 should look like, they would look like they are not from 2002 but from 2006(so basically same). I think lots of players want wc3 to have what modern engines are capable of .

[@Leny1777]

I like Reforged graphics