Removing 10 Keel Blocks From Under the Battleship: Why? How?

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Battleship New Jersey

Battleship New Jersey

23 күн бұрын

In this episode we're talking about removing some of the ship's blocks.
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@dan1elhalas
@dan1elhalas 21 күн бұрын
I’ve attempted to watch some of the videos of other KZbinrs about this, but I just can’t, Ryan please don’t ever stop being the voice of history for this ship. You create a whole level of interest that no one else can touch.
@TheBigExclusive
@TheBigExclusive 21 күн бұрын
Because Ryan actually uses conversational tone and dialog. It seems like he's actually talking with you in a conversation as if you were there with him in dry dock. Other KZbinrs feel like they are reading facts from a book or Wikipedia. Like they are giving a boring lecture. Ryan also gets to the point quickly and understands why we are asking our questions and what interests viewers.
@Bob_PA
@Bob_PA 21 күн бұрын
I'm not even into military history, the Navy or maritime history but I've watched every episode for the past two years. I just thoroughly enjoy Ryan's storytelling.
@danielayers
@danielayers 20 күн бұрын
This is the truth! :)
@SteamCrane
@SteamCrane 20 күн бұрын
Ryan has internalized a massive amount of knowledge about the ship, so he can easily talk about it. I hope he is around for the next yard period!
@sbrunner69
@sbrunner69 20 күн бұрын
There are other videos about removing keel blocks from under battle ship NJ?
@jefesman
@jefesman 20 күн бұрын
Thank you to all those who have participated in the tours so that Ryan & his crew can keep addressing these types of issues!!! It is awesome to have the opportunity to take care of the vessel as best as possible.... Great work!
@Kellen6795
@Kellen6795 20 күн бұрын
If all goes well, i'd hope Ryan is still Curator in 30 years if he hasnt retired yet. The way things get explains in a clear concise manner, the ease of listening too, the formats, the overall quality and knowledge. Very very few other youtubers have the ability to get all of these in 1. Ryans a treasure and just imagine the shear wealth of knowledge he will have even in 15 years time. Looking forward to the videos from all the years to come!
@rwdavidoff
@rwdavidoff 20 күн бұрын
Battleship New Jersey Museum and Memorial receives operating support from the New Jersey Department of State, also from a number of other businesses, and private individuals like yourselves. It receives physical support from 292 keel blocks, and a giant honking concrete drydock.
@justdeaf-ry6bn
@justdeaf-ry6bn 20 күн бұрын
I think Ryan is making the right decision on whats best to prevent corrosion on the hull for the next 30 years. I also find it interesting on how he takes on what options he can use or not use. It goes to show how he really cares about Battleship New Jersey future.
@politicsuncensored5617
@politicsuncensored5617 20 күн бұрын
A "Much" older Ryan may see the next dry docking of the NJ in 30 years, but I have my doubts on myself. Even if I do I would be 101 years of age. Thank you Ryan for all that you do in keeping the battleship New Jersey as a memorial for future generations. Shalom
@vintagefurness
@vintagefurness 20 күн бұрын
As someone who served on USS Lexington, steamed the same boilers as the Jersey, drydocked in Philly Shipyard, and worked at the shipyards in Norfolk, VA, I really appreciate your videos.
@user-ux9my7io4p
@user-ux9my7io4p 21 күн бұрын
You guys are taking better care of NJ than the Navy did
@phillyphakename1255
@phillyphakename1255 21 күн бұрын
Can't afford not to. It's going to go 10x as long without maintenance, and it's now an OLD ship. You gotta take care of the ol' girl.
@willw8011
@willw8011 20 күн бұрын
USN never wanted to reactivate those. The age of the battleship ended long before the politicians understood.
@camickelson
@camickelson 19 күн бұрын
Totally agree
@2adamast
@2adamast 11 күн бұрын
They kept her in running condition. The idea that each successive team started counting from one is interesting.
@AsbestosMuffins
@AsbestosMuffins 20 күн бұрын
See when Ryan plays Jenga he uses a battleship to make things interesting
@justaskin8523
@justaskin8523 2 күн бұрын
Now that's funny right there!
@Firefyta2
@Firefyta2 18 күн бұрын
I must say Ryan, as a history buff and a big battleship fan, Im so happy to see she is in good and capable hands for many long years to come. Im sure her sailors are very happy and proud that you will see to her well being for hopefully many long years to come. I made it to Philly a couple of weeks ago to see her in drydock and what a sight she was. I hope to see her in Jersey when she returns home, Way to keep her in ship shape and for the most part fully operational state.
@user-jq2rf4nf3o
@user-jq2rf4nf3o 21 күн бұрын
Ryan might opt for the extra under coating , fuzzy dice and the spinner hub caps - Earl Shiibe for $29.95
@robertpoore7604
@robertpoore7604 20 күн бұрын
Lmao
@toddmetzger
@toddmetzger 20 күн бұрын
I would love to see her in the Black Dragon scheme please. We know Ryan loves that scheme too!
@theshapeexists
@theshapeexists 19 күн бұрын
Maaco just under bid them and is throwing in 2 pine tree air fresheners
@mm3mm3
@mm3mm3 20 күн бұрын
I think Ryan is the smartest, most passionate curator out there. 😊😊😊😊😊
@Tuning3434
@Tuning3434 20 күн бұрын
hmmm, that statement is helped because Paul Farace isn't an official curator of USS Cod. Then again, Ryan introduced me to Paul.
@mm3mm3
@mm3mm3 18 күн бұрын
@@Tuning3434 That is so cool that you actually know Ryan and Paul
@TXGRunner
@TXGRunner 19 күн бұрын
Congrats on the success of your tours and being able to add stretch projects. You realize you're the reason that worked, right? You built a following through your videos and now that is paying off handsomely.
@ginog5037
@ginog5037 19 күн бұрын
She is in great hands, wish I can afford to see her. Well done Ryan and everyone involved to preserve this history 👏
@vinceromano8245
@vinceromano8245 20 күн бұрын
Ryan, you”ll still be in charge for the next dry docking. Thanks for another great and informative video.
@johnstreet797
@johnstreet797 21 күн бұрын
Ryan you are the best and only thing I appreciate about New Jersey, having been born and raised there.
@ryder6070
@ryder6070 20 күн бұрын
what about the Boss?!?! MY new haircut>>?
@Knight6831
@Knight6831 21 күн бұрын
The Canadian Flower Class Corvette HMCS Sackville had its underwater hull completely replaced by modern steel as after the Sullivans partially sank, I had the question to other museum ships in NA like Sackville of how would they avoid suffering the same fate as the Sullivans
@DSNSGaming
@DSNSGaming 21 күн бұрын
HMCS Haida had a bunch of hull and other work in 2002 and 2015. 2002 was when Parks Canada took her on and she was moved from Toronto to Hamilton.
@aserta
@aserta 20 күн бұрын
When things are that bad, there's no point in trying to save anything. That's wishful thinking. But in this case, NJ's actually decent. Still thicker than other (functional) ships. For a static ship, the extra plate is belt and suspenders.
@markholub97
@markholub97 20 күн бұрын
So glad to see New Jersey getting the maintenance she deserves after so many years of faithful service. Thank you as well for answering my earlier question about maintaining the ship near the keel blocks. You’re doing an awesome job Ryan and I look forward to the day New Jersey is 100% restored. ❤
@jamesrobertson4035
@jamesrobertson4035 20 күн бұрын
LOVED my tour of BB-62 with you on my 65th birthday. I look forward to another tour with "much older Ryan" in the drydocking in 30 years!
@Steve-OH601
@Steve-OH601 21 күн бұрын
Ryan, excellent video as always. Thanks for sharing the in-depth details of the work being done on the ship. Very informative. Random question - what brand of shirt is that? Thinking of picking up one for work wear. Thanks.
@brckshouse3660
@brckshouse3660 20 күн бұрын
This guild of wizards maintaining the knowledge of old
@mtacoustic1
@mtacoustic1 13 күн бұрын
So that's how it's done! Always wondered how you got to paint where the keel blocks are.
@iangriffiths7191
@iangriffiths7191 20 күн бұрын
I have been amazed while watching your KZbin posts at how many holes have been cut or drilled in the hull over the years. As a land lover I would never have thought they would do such things.
@kaziwill
@kaziwill 20 күн бұрын
You're the only KZbin curator I can stand. I've tried watching the others and the cringe is insane
@jar8459
@jar8459 20 күн бұрын
Thanks Ryan for all you do.
@johngallus1735
@johngallus1735 20 күн бұрын
You do such a great job talking about this wonderful Ship
@danknight5019
@danknight5019 20 күн бұрын
Ryan you are doing a fantastic job, keep up the great work
@zaynevanday142
@zaynevanday142 20 күн бұрын
Thanks 🙏 for the update Ryan 🔥
@imchris5000
@imchris5000 20 күн бұрын
this seems like a way to coat under the blocks without refloating. coat under the now missing blocks then replacement with wedges and blast out the other ones
@tomfeng5645
@tomfeng5645 20 күн бұрын
Every time it's released, the hull will sag a bit relative to the remaining blocks, so I'm not sure that's viable. Maybe if all other blocks were blasted out too to balance along the ship's length, but at that point, is it any less work than just floating the ship over.
@sibhuskyguy
@sibhuskyguy 21 күн бұрын
the big tan line is i am assuming the caulking you were talking about in another video?
@F-Man
@F-Man 21 күн бұрын
Seems like a rather heavy responsibility.
@Stan7670
@Stan7670 21 күн бұрын
That's an understatement.
@diytwoincollege7079
@diytwoincollege7079 21 күн бұрын
Yuk yuk yuk
@justincase9638
@justincase9638 21 күн бұрын
It steels the show
@henrycarlson7514
@henrycarlson7514 20 күн бұрын
So Wise , Thank You
@arthurbrickley4108
@arthurbrickley4108 20 күн бұрын
Glad I could contribute to the extra task going on with the extra money from fry dock tours. I enjoyed it very much. Continue doing fantasic work.
@tsmall07
@tsmall07 19 күн бұрын
Did my drydock tour last weekend. Drove up from Northern Virginia. Definitely worth it.
@ypaulbrown
@ypaulbrown 20 күн бұрын
Bravo Ryan, you are the Best.....
@bazra19
@bazra19 20 күн бұрын
As Much as I am against doubler plating, because she is not going to sea again, I think you have made the right decision.
@DavidSmith-cx8dg
@DavidSmith-cx8dg 20 күн бұрын
Doublers are probably the best for a museum ship where you want to keep the original material . The quality of welding and preparation will be all important I would think .Ryan does a great job of explaining the choices and limitations of planning a docking . It's great that the scope of work can be expanded to make sure New Jersey stays afloat without undue concern can be achieved .
@JackDrinkn2DollarJim
@JackDrinkn2DollarJim 19 күн бұрын
There must be some kind of paste they would use between the new plates and the hull to eliminate as much empty space as possible.
@MrOlddude1957
@MrOlddude1957 20 күн бұрын
Does leaving the ship on those blocks affect the underside of the ship in terms of its weight is there a limited amount of time it can be on the blocks?
@zimbabwesteve4620
@zimbabwesteve4620 20 күн бұрын
What does the prep look like before adding the doubler plating? Id assume that the hull will be cleaned so just the coatings are under the plates?
@cerad7304
@cerad7304 20 күн бұрын
Hopefully cryogenics technology will advance quickly enough that Ryan won't be as old as he might expect to be when the next dry docking rolls around.
@billsimpson604
@billsimpson604 20 күн бұрын
That is the nice thing about steel. It is easily welded using electricity. These days, they even weld some skyscraper joints.
@Tuxon86
@Tuxon86 20 күн бұрын
Back in the day, and in the dead of winter in Montreal, my father who worked at Vickers as a plater had to break those blocs using wedges and sledgehammer. People were build stronger in those days.
@aamiddel8646
@aamiddel8646 20 күн бұрын
If you use a doubler plate 'glue' it to the hull so no water can get in and weld it as intended.
@justincoggins694
@justincoggins694 16 күн бұрын
Saw, you on the news a, few days agp funny because I was already subscribed and stuff.
@guidichris
@guidichris 20 күн бұрын
Bondo on a battleship? Love your videos so informative.
@nicholasnewman5349
@nicholasnewman5349 20 күн бұрын
I wonder how many times he's used the phrase "System of Coatings", At least 200 for sure
@nightkil13r
@nightkil13r 20 күн бұрын
The main issue with Doubler plates and has caused vessles to sink, is you have no easy way to keep an eye on the corrosion levels of the hull between the plates, that could allow for corrosion to go unchecked till the doubler plate itself cant stay fully sealed and now you have water intrusion thats more difficult to repair. I would consider doubler plating with a heavy heavy distrust. Then again im not a ship builder, and only know from the incident reports ive read.
@marcbiff2192
@marcbiff2192 19 күн бұрын
They could use flanged pipe penetrations welded to the inner hull where they have placed a doubler plate these bosses will have two valves on them they act as a tell tell open the inner valve for a period than close, then open the next valve any water that has accumulated between the hull and the doubler plate should be observed,they are normally welded at the lower side of the doubler with 40 or 50 mm pipe.
@nightkil13r
@nightkil13r 19 күн бұрын
@@marcbiff2192 that make so much sense. Thank you.
@fsj197811
@fsj197811 21 күн бұрын
Considering the coating was in good shape and what you're putting on there is even better, I'd have left it alone and left the money in reserve for other upgrades or put it towards that next 30 year dry dock. Thanks for sharing.
@justincase9638
@justincase9638 21 күн бұрын
I have some fear about the air gap in between.. I hate rust - and even more so rust I can't see.. Though I suppose at the bottom of the ship no one is going to see anything!
@petegossett5494
@petegossett5494 21 күн бұрын
I agree. Either leave it alone, or cut it out & replace it. By just welding a plate over it they’re potentially inviting problems they’ll likely be unaware of.
@GregoryVeizades
@GregoryVeizades 20 күн бұрын
Yeah those doubled plates fell out of fashion because of rust jacking. Rust starts in-between the plates and jacks them apart.
@phil20_20
@phil20_20 9 күн бұрын
To get to the other side! 😃
@williamcarl4200
@williamcarl4200 19 күн бұрын
Interesting. I worked a dock for 3 years. Never removed a block. We got em in and got em out. Was pretty efficient and a bargain for the Navy. We were sailors after all, and we rocked. Bet no sailors drydock a ship anymore.
@aserta
@aserta 20 күн бұрын
0:59 Keel block no 81 looks a bit sad. Someone give him a hug on the next dry dock tour!
@AbrasiveCarl
@AbrasiveCarl 20 күн бұрын
" a much much older ryan" made me giggle for some reason
@fsodn
@fsodn 19 күн бұрын
Thanks for posting about this. I took the tour this last Sunday morning (w00t!) and they were talking about this. It's great that you're posting further details. Is there any possibility that the plates you're welding on are enough different that you'll get dissimilar metal corrosion? Or can you eliminate that possibility with testing?
@BuddyMcNugget
@BuddyMcNugget 21 күн бұрын
Amazing work. I hope to make it down to see it some day. And it sounds like it should still be around when that day comes.
@PaulCyclist
@PaulCyclist 20 күн бұрын
Could you explain how this added plating will be coated after welding to the original this mild steel? Also, did you say the welds will be 100z% around the edge, making the inner sandwiched areas waterproof by way of a sealed plate seem.
@hololightful
@hololightful 20 күн бұрын
How do they form that curve in the new plates you're adding?
@jasonreed8862
@jasonreed8862 20 күн бұрын
Are you going to apply the full system of coatings to the doubler plating?
@Name-ps9fx
@Name-ps9fx 20 күн бұрын
I would've thought that when the Navy brought it out of decommission status, they would consult the records and find that they completed the first area and the second, so now it's time to do the third. That way they wouldn't skip any areas over time.
@theshapeexists
@theshapeexists 19 күн бұрын
Thats a lot of steel thats been eroded away. Impressive. I remember watching an old movie on the mothball fleet and they gave some insane statistic of the weight of steel that rusts away from the fleet in a given year from just sitting in the water. I don't remember the number, but it was a very large one.
@TheBigExclusive
@TheBigExclusive 21 күн бұрын
Will you also be painting and coating the doubler plates too?
@cruisinguy6024
@cruisinguy6024 20 күн бұрын
Obviously…..
@physicsphirst191
@physicsphirst191 20 күн бұрын
The doubler plate does not restore the full bending strength or stiffness of the wasted metal because it is not fully bonded to the substrate area, but it does provide equivalent material for wasting.
@rleeAZ
@rleeAZ 20 күн бұрын
Wondering if flame spray build up might be an option to build up the steel?
@johnwinters9235
@johnwinters9235 20 күн бұрын
When is the re-floating to move it 4 feet? I will be there on Sunday May 19th
@bobjohnson2172
@bobjohnson2172 19 күн бұрын
Thank you.
@justincase9638
@justincase9638 21 күн бұрын
Fantastic !! See you this weekend!
@hoseman1
@hoseman1 20 күн бұрын
I would have loved to have seen her in dry dock, unfortunately I am recovering from surgery and could not handle all of the steps. Keep up the good work and she will still be here in 100 years.
@billcattell5520
@billcattell5520 20 күн бұрын
How are you going to roll the plates to match the contour of the hull?
@SteamCrane
@SteamCrane 20 күн бұрын
Good reason to go 1/4". The yard should have plate rollers, most ships have curved bottoms like this.
@SteamCrane
@SteamCrane 20 күн бұрын
I will be 110 in 2054, looking forward to being there!
@robertgarrett5009
@robertgarrett5009 20 күн бұрын
Hope you're using a bedding compound. This should prevent water ingress between the plates as it fills the gap.
@johno7370
@johno7370 20 күн бұрын
Will there be a video showing the entire hull so future generations can see what the hull was like when NJ was drydocked? Also including what you found and what work was done this drydock event?
@kfree1966
@kfree1966 21 күн бұрын
How is the heat from the welding going to affect the existing coats on the hull?
@tobingallawa3322
@tobingallawa3322 20 күн бұрын
Good question adversely impact it I would guess
@capnkwick4286
@capnkwick4286 20 күн бұрын
I wonder if the material that is used for spray-on truck bed liners would be useful.
@Wvanbramer
@Wvanbramer 20 күн бұрын
Exterior corrosion or internal? I would think internal. Bilge area?
@CarreraTrackOntheFloor
@CarreraTrackOntheFloor 20 күн бұрын
Will the new doubler steel plates be painted to protect against corrosion?
@kevinm5177
@kevinm5177 20 күн бұрын
Thanks!
@GardNRailCrucible
@GardNRailCrucible 20 күн бұрын
Do you plan to cover the doubler plates with the system of coatings and gap sealing caulk to ensure the plate won’t have problems to the best of your ability through 2050?
@robertschultz6922
@robertschultz6922 20 күн бұрын
I hope they take a picture of the check when they pay the yard to show how much this whole thing is going to cost at the end!!!
@chrisglen-smith7662
@chrisglen-smith7662 20 күн бұрын
Hope you remember to check and repair the burnt off paint on the inside of the hill where the welds damage it.
@danmur15
@danmur15 20 күн бұрын
i really hope im going to be able to see you promoting the drydock tours in 2054 😂
@aldolajak1267
@aldolajak1267 20 күн бұрын
".....liquid metal epoxy..." JB Weld !!! On a serious note, Belzona is a series of products, nine categories, worth looking into.
@marcbiff2192
@marcbiff2192 19 күн бұрын
The hull was built with only 10 mm plate on keel/bottom plating,are you sure? i am working on the RN Type 23 Frigates the plate thickness around that area is 20mm at the keel to 15mm /10 mm upto the bilge keel,10mm/3/8 seems a bit thin for battleship construction.
@tonydagostino6158
@tonydagostino6158 21 күн бұрын
To prevent any water intrusion, couldn't you "trowel on" a thin layer of that epoxy before welding the doubler plate? That would fill any possible void between the two plates wouldn't it?
@anilhaksever
@anilhaksever 21 күн бұрын
I was thinking the exact same thing. Basically why not to "glue" inside part of the plate while welding the edges.
@ghoti221
@ghoti221 21 күн бұрын
Depending on the sealant/expoy, it won’t cure properly, creates too much of a gap to get a good weld bead, won’t bond properly to the existing system of coatings, or expansion cycles might damage the weld bead as the material flexes. There are a lot of different engineering things at play here, but hard to know for sure without knowing exactly what they’re doing.
@black07rr
@black07rr 21 күн бұрын
Then you have a gap between the epoxy and and the plate, no matter what you do there would be a gap, the only way that truly add metal and not have a gap short of cutting out old and putting in new would be pad welding the hull via weld stringers. Butt that would be ugly and cause some pretty severe warping of the outer plate unless they let ample cooling between each pass, which after a certain amount of time would still get extremely hot unless you really really let it cool off 100% between passes. That would also be extremely slow and expensive, and with how thin the metal is a high chance of having leaks due to welder blowing a hole through it and not seeing it. 1/4 inch is not thick at all in the welding world. Structural tests are given on 3/8” plate.
@philiplettley
@philiplettley 20 күн бұрын
An idea for a video while I dry Dock, would be to talk about the pit sword again, and show where it comes out of the ship, if you can find it lol
@BuranStrannik
@BuranStrannik 20 күн бұрын
That's one of the areas of higher stress during normal operation, perhaps that contributed to faster corrosion too.
@playlist325446586
@playlist325446586 20 күн бұрын
What does the "blocking position" mean?
@jess2690
@jess2690 21 күн бұрын
Random question, is the Reddit account, BattleshipNewJersey really your official Reddit account?
@CITYNEWSSUPPORT
@CITYNEWSSUPPORT 20 күн бұрын
Are you guys comfortable with a 30 year stretch between dry docking? In a perfect fund raising world would it be cheaper to do it every 20 years? Would catching on going damage faster be cheaper to fix?
@ruikazane5123
@ruikazane5123 20 күн бұрын
Isn't slapping on metal plate on top of another plate and welding around it would let rust form between? The navy would never do such a thing either. As much as preserving as much parts of the ship, as recieved, is important as a museum, compromising on something to make that happen doesn't exactly sound right. Or there is something on it that I don't know yet.
@chrisglen-smith7662
@chrisglen-smith7662 20 күн бұрын
Wow, fancy a jet wash that can cut through a yard or more of solid wood!
@richardverrett2891
@richardverrett2891 20 күн бұрын
Outstanding results Travis. Tube Town Baby. Nice to have a visitor stop by.
@nickpopelka
@nickpopelka 18 күн бұрын
If nothing happened more since 1990 I would have just left that with a good fresh paint job welding two plates together and making a area between is scary to me
@Onerouss
@Onerouss 20 күн бұрын
I thought you all had already put what you considered to be the "minimum" number of keel blocks under the ship, yet now you are removing even more? Does this risk cracking structural members in the hull?
@patrickradcliffe3837
@patrickradcliffe3837 19 күн бұрын
I would say hydro-dynamic erosion would be the cause of plating thinning out.
@Armyassasin455
@Armyassasin455 20 күн бұрын
Why has Sabaton not performed on the New Jersey or Texas while they’ve been on dry dock? That would be kickass and would raise a lot of money
@pcspecialistpdx
@pcspecialistpdx 20 күн бұрын
I'm surprised no one has come up with a way to glue 1/2" sheets of plastic to the hull and plastic weld the seams between sheets. I'd think, for a museum ship, that'd be better than steel.
@scottsee5766
@scottsee5766 21 күн бұрын
45k psi!!! Wow.
@FishKepr
@FishKepr 20 күн бұрын
I want one of those to clean my driveway.
@fredinit
@fredinit 20 күн бұрын
@@FishKepr After you're done you'd be wondering... where's my driveway? Much more pressure than a waterjet. It just doesn't have the garnet abrasive in it.
@dpeter6396
@dpeter6396 20 күн бұрын
I think he mis-spoke. Slipped a decimal point.
@senoJSR
@senoJSR 20 күн бұрын
You all keep removing keel blocks. You're making me nervous about walking under the ship. :)
@michaelchamberlain4618
@michaelchamberlain4618 20 күн бұрын
May God bless you all the name of Jesus Christ Amen❤
@timbonjovi
@timbonjovi 20 күн бұрын
So they're not afraid of water getting in between the 2 layers?
@bigsarge2085
@bigsarge2085 21 күн бұрын
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