Pilot SEVERELY SCOLDED BY CONTROLLERS | Multiple Conflicts at Teterboro

[@VASAviation]

The "no excuse is good enough" really hurt my feelings.

[@musman9853]

especially since it's obvious bullshit lol

[@flyjetway]

It sucks to hear that, but with the amount of chaos caused in the air and on the ground, I would see why the controllers deemed it appropriate to say that

[@jackielinde7568]

I suspect cognitive decline (dementia maybe?) He sounds like an older person and clearly not "in the moment". I think the best thing is to have someone from the FAA contact him and decide how to go forward or even if there is a way forward. It sucks when you have to revoke someone's ability for them to get around by themselves. My family had to do it for my mom when her MS started to affect how she drove. It sucks, but it's best for everyone involved.

[@V0latyleUSMC]

Who cares? The most important aspect of flying in controlled airspace is communication - more specifically, following instructions. This guy didn't follow basic instructions and created a hazardous situation for not only himself but everyone around him. I hope they yank his license.

[@jamesknight3070]

Imo, during the chaos in the sky one of the Controllers should have asked if he wanted to declare an emergency, clearly something was going wrong which was confirmed when he said he'd been there for fourteen years. Age, fatigue, diabetes, brain tumour, similar....if not, ban him from flying.

[@FiveTwoSevenTHR]

Sucks when your brakes don't work resulting in you not being able to fly a heading or maintain an altitude.

[@scapilot1980]

Did he even try the emergency brake in flight to see if that would get the plane on a 200 heading?

[@Eddyspeeder]

Probably that’s exactly one of the things he tried.

[@Vititi16]

😅😅😅😂

[@mistaplane]

😂

[@411sponge72]

Gang. You need to give this guy a break. He was low on blinker fluid

[@xheralt]

Time for 6AV pilot to surrender his certification for medical/old age reasons.

[@Eddyspeeder]

This! The extent of loss of situational awareness (from callsign to heading to stopping in front of an active runway) just screams “grampa who definitely should already have given up his license”. Granted, the (multiple!) pleads of “Can I please come in?” and the “I’ve been flying here for 19 years” are heartbreaking, but they just confirm that this is non-normal and especially unsafe flying behavior. He could have crashed himself or have distracted and aggravated ATC so they start making mistakes. So dangerous!

[@nitehawk86]

@@Eddyspeeder I am pretty sure the other controller was gonna say "no, gtfo" before the first one gave him landing instructions.

[@411sponge72]

Absolutely agree

[@06blkgto1]

​@@PasleyAviationPhotographySo he's been flying out of TEB since he was 14 years old. That makes zero sense, he is probably an older GA person.

[@SpaceGeek321]

@@nitehawk86I’m thinking the other controller was the TEB Sup and the first controller was just like let’s get him in before he does something else. And of course he lands and makes ATC regret their decision when he fails to hold short of 24.

[@TheZFilesSpooky]

This pilot stepped on other transmissions so many times I lost count

[@fredfred2363]

Not just him. It was happening a LOT near the beginning of the vid.

[@oskimaha4260]

I’m kinda new to understanding ATC. Is that what that long tone is while someone is speaking?

[@jamesphillips2285]

@@oskimaha4260 Yes.

[@camf7493]

A whole bunch of radio training is in order. That behavior is just inexcusable, really. Interfering with communications is just so wrong.

[@rudiklein]

​@@oskimaha4260This is a bad video to trying to understand ATC. 😂 It was a mess. Yes, the garbled voices and the annoying tone mean more than one person is transmitting.

[@MultiAxian]

That "What are you doing?!" Spoken with the clearly frustrated Jersey accent was *chef's kisses*

[@aoaoaoaoooaaaaa]

too much agita

[@97TJ]

"6AV, I'm tawkin' to you! Oy vey!"

[@skepticalobserver7484]

“Oh I’ll hold for this guy.” 😂😂😂😂😂

[@prussiaaero1802]

Said everybody in the USA.

[@aleccross3535]

The thought that says "Im gonna watch this"

[@MiniMaxiSlots]

They sent airport ops after him to make sure he made the phone call... 😂😂😂

[@beyondinsanitybr]

They should have sent the police instead, and get him arrested for endangerment.

[@jwm6314]

Think that through. Get back to us.

[@numo68]

@@beyondinsanitybr they should have sent a paramedic. This might be a lot of things, for some of which you really want to get a treatment as soon as possible and leave the calling and paperwork for later. Might be a stroke, might be a hypoglycaemia...

[@DavidKennedyMontanakennedy]

I was waiting for an animated squad car to show up...

[@AutonomousNavigator]

Turns out there is no requirement to actually make the call when this happens.

[@goodshipkaraboudjan]

Probably Idling at 2800RPM "There is an issue with the brakes!"

[@rtroajax]

"my brakes don't work!" No dog, your brain don't work

[@joshuahudson2170]

@@rtroajax His movement on the ground is completely consistent with soft brakes. In a small plane the brakes are supposed to be able to hold even against full engine power. If he left engine at or near landing power he ought to have plenty of braking power. On the other hand; what's with this guy who can't hold a course in the air until a landmark? I can't account for that.

[@chrisschack9716]

@@joshuahudson2170 I was wondering if there was a problem with the gyrocompass ... given the stunning display we saw, I was thinking "did not calibrate"!

[@rtbrtb_dutchy4183]

@@joshuahudson2170just someone who has gotten too old to fly.

[@hunterreeves6525]

@@joshuahudson2170even if he did have soft brakes, it’s the pilots responsibility to check the brakes and if they’re weak you decide to either not fly or be ready to deal with them being weak. Still not an excuse. And given the rest of the video it seem VERY likely that it was plain operator error

[@yobb1n544]

As soon as ATC gave him the hold short instruction I knew shit was about to get even worse... 😬

[@jackielinde7568]

I was watching that, going, "Oh, no. Is he going to hold short at the runway? No, he's not going to hold short of the runway..."

[@yobb1n544]

​@jackielinde7568 "the plane doesnt stop" 😭

[@jackielinde7568]

This was way before "The play doesn't stop." The minute I saw the runway, that was my thought.

[@yobb1n544]

@jackielinde7568 imagine the guys in the jet behind him, they must've been cracking up watching the shitshow 😭😭💀

[@lellius]

The runway incursion was just the icing on the cake. All they want him to do is overfly the field at 1500' and then make a left downwind for runway 24 but he's just hell-bent on flying through the final approach course of 19 in front of a bunch on jets. Hopefully someone at the FAA will get to the bottom of this.

[@nitehawk86]

Lol ExecJet 549 was planning on stopping regardless of what ground said.

[@graniteburner3455]

He no dummy!

[@jsweetser2]

This is a testament to the situational awareness of the 549 crew. Monitoring the comms, seeing the issue, probably relating it in the cabin and making the decision to hold short even before being ordered to was a very competent move.

[@WhiteWolf-lm7gj]

I wouldn't want to get involved in that mess either

[@dwDragon88]

I'm glad the male ATC on Tower was at least able to get him on the ground safely. Who knows what would have happened kicking him out of the airspace to fly around aimlessly. The male ATC realized he couldn't follow instructions but was probably familiar with the airport and could visually follow another aircraft in to land on the right runway. I think the de-escalation made the best of a bad situation.

[@scottbeyer101]

He was so far behind that plane I have to agree with you. A bunch of pissed off, overworked controllers is one thing. That controller potentially saved his life.

[@tanakalight]

The moment tower heard the plea to land their was a total shift in attitude and tone they 100% flipped into get this guy on the ground and out of the way. Sadly failing to taxi was it for the guy Which the ATC made clear really feel for the old must have been sad and terrifying

[@maxflight777]

@dwDragon88 well said sir

[@jacobshaw808]

I understand that this was a stressful situation for ATC and that I'm in no position to judge, but I will state the facts. Her job requires she be calmer than that. Her attitude did nothing to help the situation and probably only made things work. When it was obvious this guy couldn't be trusted, getting him on the ground and out of congested airspace was the best thing they could do. As for the pilot, I can only hope that this wasn't brought on my some medical issue, that he can at least spend his future of being grounded in good health.

[@Bax60]

You can't fly in the delta like this .They will correct you maybe once or twice, but you have to pay attention or they will get very upset, that's just the way it is.Like the controller said ," no excuse is acceptable " that's about it .If you can not follow atc ,then don't fly in delta airspace .Go to an uncontrolled airport,that's where this guy belongs. Then he can do what he pleases, and everybody else in the traffic pattern will just have to deal with it.Having this guy in Delta Airspace is kind like having a drunk driver on a busy freeway .You never can be certain where he might decide to go .This makes controllers pissed ,because they have to have you going exactly where they tell you to go inside the delta

[@randomplanenoob]

7:02 "yeah hes a disaster" being called that by atc is prolly hinting that you fked up like 40 times and bad 💀

[@VASAviation]

Must admit I laughed when I first listened to that

[@tjseid]

@@bobhanlon”probably”

[@jackielinde7568]

Sadly, I think he switched to ground by the time they said that. So he didn't get to experience that bit of humiliation.

[@rtbrtb_dutchy4183]

@@jackielinde7568so you want to see him humiliated? Come on man. This guy probably used to be a good pilot and gotten too old. It happens and they usually don’t realize this until a day like this.

[@jackielinde7568]

@@rtbrtb_dutchy4183 Not really, but that's where the crowd was going. i agree with you that it sounds like he is an older person and suffering mental/cognitive decline.

[@thomascharlton8545]

As a retired professional pilot, this among the most stressful VASAviation videos I've heard. Wondering if pilot was dealing with some incapacitating medical issue. We'll probably never know. Not likely flying in near future until serious evaluation.

[@jeffreybell436]

The urgency to land makes me think he had to pee.

[@MisterIvyMike]

​@@jeffreybell436That could be me... Hate it... 🤷🏿‍♂️😆

[@kellyem33]

I was surprised that the atc did not close the field until he was dealt with. But it is TEB

[@narglefargle]

Mood, bud. That was some scary stuff. This could have ended VERY differently. I hope those ATCs got to take a breather after that one.

[@scottbeyer101]

That medical is so far gone he will never see it again. Basic Med is so easy to skate through.

[@vaporized1000]

Teterboro is not a place to fuck around, i fly in there all the time in a jet. A single missed call or non standard action can cause massive delays as its so busy there

[@stoneagearcher3477]

Not to mention all the towers in that area.

[@AutonomousNavigator]

25 year pilot, went there for the first time last month during the morning arrival rush. Made sure I was on top of my game, talking with both approach and tower. Handed off over Alpine Tower and I was the only guy in the Delta.

[@As_A________Commenter]

And then you’ve got us big guys turning final to EWR right on top of all you guys stacked into TEB

[@graniteburner3455]

I have fond memories of the day I was departing TEB at evening rush hour and Tower had me position and hold (as we said in those days) on 24. I sat for many minutes while he landed a steady stream of jets on 19, eventually heard him clear a jet to land on 24. Keyed the mike immediately to remind him I was there. Tower’s next call was a classic: “Jet 1234 turn right heading…no wait a minute” !?!?! Soon thereafter I got “Archer 6249Charlie cleared for takeoff no delay”. I firewalled it, and as I broke ground Tower cleared the jet to land behind me. Jet pilot apologized for ess turns down final and Tower was like nbd, thanks! Good times in Gotham City!

[@JoelHaasnoot]

I will say safety is also creating safe environments. Teterboro doesn't sound super safe in this way - what can FAA do to make it safer...

[@timdykes6675]

I was afraid he was gonna run into me or cut me off, and I’m in my bedroom in Arizona .

[@prussiaaero1802]

Lock the door!

[@davidmorris5826]

​@prussi Noaaero1802

[@jayyyzeee6409]

The brakes aren't working and he's sorry about the bedroom incursion. He's ready to copy your phone number.

[@nitehawk86]

8:28 Was fully expecting "I don't have a pen."

[@abdurmohammed781]

🤣🤣🤣

[@stanislavkostarnov2157]

when he was told not to move, I was fully expecting him to shut down the engine and walk out of the airplane right there on the taxiway.

[@jayyyzeee6409]

"I forgot what a pen is. Also, what is a phone?"

[@CarbonatedTurtle]

All those communications with the tower and I think I heard him use his call sign twice. Calling this guy a disaster of a pilot is an understatement.

[@lAMNOTGOOMBA]

The plane comes back as registered to a Mr. Sy Blechman, who is in his 80s. I think he just doesn't have the whereabouts he once did

[@sashingopaul3111]

@@lAMNOTGOOMBA is there not an age limit for pilot licenses in the US?

[@RMBlake007]

@@lAMNOTGOOMBA I think you are correct. IMHO, this man was either having a TIA, (small, transient stroke), or in a mid stage dementia. I have experience living with and caring for elders with cognitive decline and I felt very quickly that this man has an aging brain issue unfortunately. I quickly went from assessing him as an arrogant, uncooperative moron, to feeling compassion for someone who doesn't realize they've lived beyond the capacity of their mind to keep themself safe. I hope we never have to experience this type of thing.

[@k5sss]

@@sashingopaul3111Max 65 for airlines, but no max for charters or GA as long as you can pass a medical exam.

[@kpdkchristian2570]

Wow, absolutely unbelievable. I assumed student pilot who is used to uncontrolled fields, but for someone whose been flying in a Class D for 14 years, that's absolutely unfathomable.

[@yobb1n544]

How he hasn't had his license pulled or gotten himself killed is unfathomable for sure...

[@theangrypc4642]

Seems he just bought the aircraft based on 8AVs comments.

[@rtbrtb_dutchy4183]

Some pilots simply get too old and need to stop flying.

[@meoka2368]

It wasn't just *a* Class D. It was this specific airport. Should already be familiar with the pattern, controllers, etc. and should have been totally smooth.

[@jednick]

I love when incompetents throw their years of experience out there.

[@MatthewSmith-xb7yc]

I think there's more to this. Flight history confirms that he's been based at TEB since he bought the plane. For the last few years at least, he just flies back and forth between there and Westhampton. Regularly save for the occasional maintenance flight to Caldwell. Perhaps mechanical issue combined with pilot issue. Something doesn't add up. Sure didn't act like someone who has landed TEB a zillion times.

[@VASAviation]

Is the airplane his or rental?

[@FreshTillDeath56]

Yeah. This doesn't seem right.

[@lennykravitz4107]

@@VASAviation looks like a rental, maybe a part of a flying club

[@soccerguy2433]

if was mechanical there was never a distress call.

[@asagraf7276]

I've seen reports of CO poisoning manifesting similarly - creeping up and even an able-bodied pilot suddenly unable to tell up from down. Perhaps that was a factor here, though I'm sure we will only have to speculate. Regardless, it does seem like there's more at play here than "he's just some old-fart moron," as seems to be suggested.

[@Diego1267]

I’ve heard plenty of bad radio calls over the air, but this sounds more of a cognitive decline case, not of a “stupid” person like some are quick to say. My mother has Alzheimer’s and the telltale signs at the beginning are subtle. This man reminded me of her. When he begged to be allowed to land, that sounded like someone who was having trouble even with basic communication. If that’s the case, he shouldn’t be up in the air. I wish him well.

[@dianeladico1769]

I hope your mom gets the same compassion you've shown to this man. Wishing her and all your family well.

[@Diego1267]

Thank you Diane

[@mattbradbury1797]

Yeah, i think that's when the controllers changed their attitude and got him down as quick as possible. There's a fearful, scared desperation that came through on that call.

[@Diego1267]

Exactly. Additionally, with the brakes situation, I can almost bet it was something to do with him physically, rather than a complete brake malfunction. Like a brain freeze for a lack of a better term. Im not minimizing the stress and danger he created in the air, but I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt that he experienced some mental lapse condition.

[@graniteburner3455]

@mattbradbury I think they realized that he had to land somewhere, and if they ran him out of their airspace it almost certainly wouldn’t be at an airport when he finally landed.

[@Aran2323]

Don't think I've ever seen an ops vehicle be told to follow someone to make sure they call the tower!

[@twentyrothmans7308]

Not "Follow Me", but "Follow Him".

[@overtheairbroadcast]

He messed up every other instruction given to him, so not a stretch for this guy...

[@othername1000]

Would you want this guy’s propeller spinning in your rearview mirror?

[@Digitalgems9000]

@@othername1000 yes

[@jonesjones7057]

I'd be thinking they should call paramedics because this is so bad for a local that this looks suspiciously like a possible stroke/mini stroke. He can't even taxi properly. Seems very odd and unlikely.

[@clarazegarelli5861]

I agree, or intoxicated with CO2 or something.

[@MedicWarrior27]

@@clarazegarelli5861 CO2, CO, plenty of possibilities.....definitely worth calling EMS to check

[@stephenbritton9297]

"sir, we're going to take you to the ER." "why" "its your only hope of keeping your ticket."

[@elcheapo5302]

@@clarazegarelli5861 CO

[@Ea-Nasir_Copper_Co]

I was thinking CO poisoning, but a stroke is also possible.

[@SevenLions122]

This might be the best VASAviation vid in 2024. What. A. Disaster. At Teterboro of all places...

[@jayfarm]

Car99 was just happy to get some action besides chasing wildlife.

[@Chaplain_GM]

Agreed

[@thegreyarea-WPP]

Half way through I thought it might be just about sorted. Then I checked the time bar and realised how much more was to come

[@AllAmericanGuyExpert]

Maybe we'll get one at a different airport to compare accents. Now I want to hear Biloxi, Macon, Little Rock, or Lubbock to compare.

[@FreshTillDeath56]

To be completely honest, this sounds like a medical emergency like a tiny stroke or something. Everything about this is absolutely baffling.

[@whatilearnttoday5295]

Controllers could have been a little more aware of this possibility. They put everything into the "stupid person" category instead of working the actual situation.

[@poubelrak6520]

Stop finding excuses, the person is just lame and incompetent.

[@MrWilmaDickfitt]

@@poubelrak6520 You know just as much as he does, which is nothing. Nobody knows any details. Always amazes me when idiots talk so confidently on something they know absolutely nothing about.

[@VisibilityFoggy]

@@poubelrak6520 Who's to say you are not, as well?

[@poubelrak6520]

​@@VisibilityFoggy I do not endanger other people, at work, while doing my hobbies, and in life in general. Nor do I find lame excuse to justify anything. Thank you for your concerns.

[@JohnMichaelson]

The only thing missing was a turn blinker on the whole time.

[@TangoDelta8111]

Lmao😂😂😂

[@hark31]

This will be the most viewed VAS video in no time.. This was a textbook disaster in every sense of the word with genuine freakouts from multiple ATC's.

[@jayyyzeee6409]

ATC #2: "I'll handle this...f*ck it I'm out!" ATC #3: "Let me show you how it's done...Oh, hell no!" ...

[@rtroajax]

Suspend. Revoke. Do not pass go. There is no amount of remedial training that can fix the stupidity in this video.

[@jackielinde7568]

I don't think this is stupidity. The guy sounds like an older person, and he doesn't sound like he's "in the moment". Sounds like cognitive decline. I think the FAA should suspend him until he gets a medical evaluation and go from there. If there's any signs of mental impairment, the doctor should flag him to have his license suspended. But the likelihood is he'll get a revocation based on those infractions.

[@davidbolinsky1750]

It's time to give it up! If you have the bug to fly, bring an instructor.

[@papishampoo5235]

@@jackielinde7568doesn’t matter what his condition is. He is a hazard to everyone else including himself. He shouldn’t be allowed near an airplane anytime soon.

[@jackielinde7568]

@@papishampoo5235 I didn't say he should be allowed to fly. In fact, I did state that the FAA should suspend his license pending a medical evaluation. I suspect the evaluation should find him unfit to fly. The difference is I avoid the knee jerk reaction to "break out the pitchforks and torches". There are better ways to handle this. After all, would you want to answer to an angry mob when the next time you make a mistake?

[@papishampoo5235]

@@jackielinde7568 I agree, I don’t think anybody would be comfortable in this situation but being honest with yourself is paramount to mitigate through it. Accepting responsibility and accountability is key.

[@kasplatz553]

"I've been doing this for 14 years!" What, trying to land at this airport?

[@firewulfz]

I’m curious on what the follow up for this one is. Is he having a panic attack, early onset dementia or is he under the influence of something? This feels like a little bit more than just being bad. But I’m not a pilot so idk

[@VASAviation]

Hopefully someone will give more information on this

[@jimrossi4787]

Out of all the critical comments, the non-pilot makes the most insightful comment of all. Well done.

[@bigblue207]

@@jimrossi4787yeah, not sure why this comment section in particular is jumping to conclusions so hard. Dude should stop flying, that’s clear to everyone. Why people are getting off on using him as a punching bag when he’s a random stranger feels really weird especially for a community that loves the praise of having such a professional standard. It’s fairly ugly to see and says a lot more about the people commenting than the dude in the video whose fate was already sealed basically as soon as he landed.

[@firewulfz]

@@jimrossi4787 he reminded me of a driver that hit a family members car. The guy was diabetic had really low blood sugar, he wasn’t responding to things normally.

[@jimrossi4787]

@firewulfz I appreciate your compassion, as well as your reluctance to assume the worst about this pilot. Not one commenter knows what happened. That's what investigations are for.

[@IS-lz5ev]

Once an older guy hit my car and then started going through MY glovebox looking for his papers...was angry at first and then it just became sad, and the emts drove him away.

[@batshevanivylerner8582]

90 year old woman ran a red and slammed into my car (totally it). She could barely see. Couldn't find her insurance, couldn't read her insurance. I was so angry. And then to top it off, a half year later i saw her driving (badly) again. I couldn't believe they hadn't revoked her license. I guess they're waiting for her to kill someone.

[@pawepluta4883]

@@batshevanivylerner8582 Maybe they did revoke her license. This doesn't disable car keys.

[@stanislavkostarnov2157]

it's not like a lot of places have any other meaningful means of traveling in most of America, especially if you are older and cannot walk to a far away bus-stop... so unless you want to go all Nazi and start locking older people up, elderly drivers will always remain an issue until someone deals with the transportation situation!!!.

[@stanislavkostarnov2157]

@@pawepluta4883 or remove the necessity to drive to the shops, doctor, etc... not to mention anything that makes life worth living...

[@pawepluta4883]

@@stanislavkostarnov2157 That's what public transportation is for, but well, we're talking USA.

[@stephenthompson3418]

Remember when the controller in Vegas suffered a stroke? The way communications were handled was completely different than this situation. That recording is on VASAviation as well.

[@anotherkatiek]

The woman who turned out to be drunk?

[@PurtyPurple]

​@@anotherkatiekIs there a source for that? All I can find is speculation about a medical issue, but nothing indicating substances were involved.

[@gavinjenkins899]

@@anotherkatiek In the video, she starts out fine than suddenly falls apart, stroke makes far more sense.

[@kashfiqbal]

@@PurtyPurpleThe source was some random dude on Reddit who was copy pasting it in every thread as if it was a fact, and people online just ran with it

[@twentyrothmans7308]

When I saw that he had to hold short of 24, I knew that he was going to double down.

[@Sirdfy]

Same I saw it coming a mile away haha

[@hunterreeves6525]

Yep, my immediate thought was they better not actually be trying to land someone on 24 with this guy there

[@slicershanks1919]

Sloppy seconds

[@gonetoearth2588]

HAHAHA

[@brettbreet]

If he wasn't at sea level, I'd be concerned about hypoxia. Assuming he's an experienced pilot and has been there 14 years, I can only imagine it was medical related.

[@Rallarbusen]

Was just going to suggest something medical, minor stroke or something.

[@rtbrtb_dutchy4183]

@@Rallarbusenjust too old. Mental decline. Happens to most people when they get old.

[@SEAAviator]

Well you can get hypoxia at any altitude but yeah has to be something medically related given his long history at this airport, or just oldness

[@asagraf7276]

CO poisoning potentially, he seemed "out of it" in the air to the point where it's certainly a possibility.

[@jwm6314]

How old is the pilot in this video?

[@ShawnGray1]

On an amazing note: EJA324 is the most pilot sounding pilot I've ever heard!!! :D

[@wll1500]

Dudes voice sounds like soul food

[@idlewild13l]

Matthew McConaughey inbound

[@5koverlibor]

I’ve been listening to ATC for a couple decades. Live. Taped. All of it. This is the most sustained level of consistent chaos I can recall. And I do not know that it’s close.

[@veldringr]

Was he in tears at the end? I would be! What a trainwreck.

[@stefanolorisi2143]

It sounded like that... 😞

[@JahongirHaitov]

The Controller was, definitely.

[@jayphilipwilliamsaviation]

That's what I was thinking, the way he was getting yelled at.

[@jaywung7616]

No, my take I was hearing righteous indignation at the end, as if he was offended the world was conspiring against him.

[@TiagoSeiler]

@@jayphilipwilliamsaviation The controllers are not wrong to be mad at him, but I agree with you. "WHAT ARE YOU DOING?" is not standard and both the gnd controller and the female tower were NOT helping. I am sure the only calm voice actually helping the guy was the supervisor. The other two need to learn to keep their frustrations out of their voice.

[@Runatyr9]

I've seen thirteen year olds on vatsim who follow instructions better than this guy.

[@mrmisterno1]

I would say almost every 13 year old on VATSIM is better than this guy.

[@Quotenwagnerianer]

Too be fair I have seen people on Vatsim fly exactly like this. Ignoring vectors, climbing instead of maintaing altitude. I suspected a language problem. Was some east-european dude in Norwegian Airspace. All in all in this case here I suspect old brain. Someone who is in dire need of handing back their license and stop flying.

[@igornebov]

Most VATSIM pilots know what to do and how to follow the instructions, jerks are rare. Not as rare as in real sky, but still - its mostly young or midage dudes with good main learning web center and effective basics enter exam.

[@johnkapwn]

@@igornebov I'm still stunned there are people who willingly play VATSIM just to argue with people. Makes 0 sense to me.

[@mango7862]

Yankee’s land … daily dose of emotions 😅

[@TheGreatBillyMays]

I… have… no words…

[@gmugrumbach]

Lots of ideas on this one, but interestingly, when they told him to follow an aircraft and lined him up with the runway he complied (to an extent). No idea what was going on in that cockpit. To all the other pilots in that squence...bravo.

[@christopherlucas4620]

Whoever that is in EJA324 has an awesomely cool voice.

[@jan-arwedrichter4558]

Really would give a $ for a copy of that phone call.

[@Peter-sv4mk]

Luckily that is an option… www.faa.gov/foia/foia_request

[@Meisha-san]

🤣🤣🤣

[@kcgunesq]

Is it exempt from FOIA?

[@BonanzaPilot]

The whole tower probably had him and speaker and took turns venting

[@gonetoearth2588]

HHAAHAH. me too!

[@ozgunersin7581]

This guy should be banned from using radio comms, from coming near to any airfield at all.

[@ChrisCooper312]

I'm not sure I'd even want to be on the same flightsim multiplayer as him.

[@jonathanirons231]

He should be banned from leaving his house.

[@ozgunersin7581]

@@ChrisCooper312 oh he would be so deleted from Vatsim

[@CelticCat537]

And a whole lot of other things. Including his independence!

[@kevinorr5921]

Had a front row seat to this. We were holding short of Rwy 24 watching this all unfold. Crazy.

[@alexanderfefer8376]

There are some lessons to be learned here for ATC as well. The pilot may have had a medical emergency (a stroke in the cockpit, for example, causing cognitive issues)- rather than getting belligerent with him on frequency, the priority should have been to clear everyone out of the way and get the guy on the ground ASAP. Trying to get him out of the TEB Class D could have caused even more chaos in busy NYC terminal airspace. Additionally, he claimed a brake failure at the runway incursion - that’s a potentially dangerous situation, regardless of whether he was making it up or not. ATC shouldn’t have allowed him to taxi any further and had a tug tow him to the FBO.

[@Misterblu33]

The problem with your comment is that if he had a brake issue then how did he stop and hold position AFTER crossing the runway? He could have stopped using that same method (e-brake) well before crossing an active runway.

[@dianeladico1769]

That's what I was thinking-if he could not climb and turn when instructed, could he safely navigate the space to a less busy airport? Second ATC was fantastic-just enough of an authoritative tone to get his attention then calm it down, give simple instructions and get him on the ground. I think I heard the first controller ranting in the background. She was too upset to be able to manage the situation. I'm not saying there aren't times when a quick scolding isn't warranted but this wasn't one of them. I agree to just have him stop and stay and get a tow. Not a pilot so maybe I should shush...

[@androidphone1901]

​@@Misterblu33 most likely because he either A) He's having such a bad medical issue, he forgot how to stop properly (throttles shut, use top of rudder pedals). Totally plausible if you're half incapacitated. Or B) He's so nervous after f*ng up he forgot to hold short, and is covering for it. Maybe he totally lost his nerves, like a panic attack. You can hear him saying he'll just go-to the FBO he's just trying to get home and survive at this point.

[@alexanderfefer8376]

It really doesn’t matter whether his brakes actually don’t work (either intermittently or constantly) or if he’s in a cognitive state where he can’t operate the brakes. As soon as you understand that an airplane might not be able to stop for any reason, it shouldn’t be moving again.

[@oiseauvert_]

@@Misterblu33 Have you flown a plane? You approach a runway threshold. You hit the brakes. The plane slows but does not stop. It keeps advancing. You cycle the brakes with your feet. Still not stopping. Then, after being berated over the radio, you manage to think to hit the e-brake. The plane stops, but you're past the threshold. This is how ATC did not make the scenario easier. By behaving so unprofessionally, they put the man on edge. A physiological response like this begins to impair executive functioning. That's why we train and train stressful scenarios over and over again, so that we can get over this impairment when we really need to do so. There is no training for "plane brakes not working and controllers yelling at you about a number." Don't tell me you're ready to immediately hit the e-brake every time you come up on a crossing because I'll know you're lying.

[@douglastisdale1582]

As a paramedic and pilot, this has all the hallmarks of a medical issue. The best thing they could have done is stop yelling at him, declare for him, and calmly guide him in. Even if it meant the jets having to go around, that's far better than someone dying. We can criticize all day and say how terrible of a pilot he is but without more information, that supposition is ignorant and unnecessary.

[@kenhurley4441]

I agree there was something "medically" wrong here. Diabetic?

[@gcflower99]

@douglastisdale1582: Aww, how nice of you. Remember, it's the East Coast, not Santa Monica, CA AND he is flying in busy airspace with lots of traffic. Got to be on the ball.

[@mddah01]

@@gcflower99 problem is if you yell at people they are more likely to make serious mistakes, particularly if they are incapacitated.

[@Bax60]

​@mddah01 l had an instructor when I was working on my commercial certificate who yelled at me all the time .One time he put his kids in the back seat and had them bother me while I was flying an IFR approach. There was method to his madness .He was the best instructor I ever had

[@mddah01]

@@Bax60 I draw a distinction between an instructor deliberately distracting a student during a training flight and ATC yelling at a possibly impaired pilot. I think their behavior was inappropriate

[@pktslngr]

Why were two different controllers giving conflicting turn instructions?

[@tommaxwell429]

Yeah, I noticed that too. Perhaps one was supervisor and the other a less experienced controller. So the supervisor took over and did what he thought was best. I liked the female controllers stance, "get out of my airspace and get your head together."

[@graniteburner3455]

@ tommaxwell429 I disagree. Her “get out of my airspace” tirade made things worse in the moment. And if she had actually thrown him out she probably would be giving him a ticket to a smoking crater. His problem wasn’t going to get better by taking a moment to regroup, he would still have to be flying the airplane that he’s shown he is at best marginally capable of handling, AND navigating around EWR and MMU and CDW and LGA without a plan. Bad idea. Getting him on the ground was the only good way out.

[@k5sss]

@@tommaxwell429Supes don’t take over the radio. One of them was training the other.

[@MeerkatADV]

What an absolute clusterfuck. Also notable he literally used his callsign about twice.

[@k5sss]

Eh, I sometimes skip my callsign when it’s obvious from the back and forth, and nobody would have cared here if it weren’t for all the other problems.

[@prankmonkey650]

Looking at both sides, can we determine if he was having a medical episode?

[@MrPete81]

That's certainly how I feel about this video, either medical or old age catching up on him fast :(

[@prankmonkey650]

@@MrPete81 both are possibilities.

[@MisterIvyMike]

My thoughts too!

[@leabmore]

Opinion from a 30 year ATCS and manager here. @dwDragon88 You are absolutely correct… yelling at and at times giving confusing control instructions to a already confused or mal performing pilot has NO place in working live traffic, they should be treated as an emergency and helped to land safely. When they are safely on the ground, then and only then should his issues be addressed. Safety is paramount……even his.

[@brad325is]

Been a controller for a very long time and I get the frustration in this situation. But man, you have to keep that " yeah, he's a disaster" to yourself. Kick the Fkn trash can or something but don't add to an already "disaster pilots" anxiety. Doesn't do anyone any good.

[@slavedriver394]

Exactly, very unprofessional.

[@ricardomenzer]

Totally agree. I should add that he should not have got in a plane and be up there flying. But he is. And yelling on frequency to an already confused and probably very stressed person does not help at all. They can eat him alive later, but after helping him to get safely out of the plane first, imo.

[@pac1261]

Brad, I have a question: What do you think of the actions of the controller who tried to get him to leave the Teterboro airspace? Would it really help the situation to send him off into the surrounding airspace, some of which could be even more dangerous and more complicated? If he can't follow instructions from Teterboro he won't be able to follow instructions anywhere else either. The other controller may have averted disaster when he managed to get him on the ground, instead of trying to fob him off on somebody else.

[@mrwp819300]

​@@zbigniewrichard8291I agree with this theory 100%

[@brad325is]

@@pac1261 agree with you.

[@nickmorgan1690]

Maybe it's been a continuous flight of 14 years...

[@miguelr1784]

14 years turning into random headings and altitudes, once he is able to land he proceeds to have his first runway incursion.

[@tjseid]

@@miguelr1784 💀

[@saimounikasudula1747]

😂😂

[@stephengardiner5410]

I wouldn't trust that pilot to fly a kite!

[@blockbertus]

Maybe he was high like one?

[@mrgone658]

Or even a frisbee.

[@DavidWsTrainVideos]

😂😂

[@manojtopiwala7454]

😂😂😂

[@jayyyzeee6409]

He will definitely ignore commands to climb the kite to 1500.

[@aviatorel32]

I landed and took off from there yesterday, so happy I wasn’t around this guy.

[@howsthis4aname]

You can hear when an ATC controller was trying to deescalate the situation and get him back on track to a safe landing. The other controller was simply going to kick him out of the airspace ( yes he was a hazard ) ,but you can hear the controller that took over say " look " and my assumption is he was talking to the other controller and trying to calm her down too . The takes over the rest of the landing portion of the interaction to at least get him and the other planes ,safely on the ground . Too bad it continued to be a disaster for the pilot even once landed . I can only imagine the stress that ATC had dealing with all this guys mess ups, however , adding to the pilots stress wouldn't have helped the situation . Get him down ,get him to parking ,then worry about phone numbers and scolding. The pilot was at least partially aware of his predicament when he pleaded to simply be able to land and then when he also acknowledged he wasn't stopping correctly. My hope for his sake ,is that he was suffering a medical event and although that may end his flying days for that reason, I think a better outcome over some form of intoxication being found . Sure hope for some kind of follow up to this one.

[@nster3]

Agreed, good job on that ATC dude deescalating, a crucial skill that is on the decline unfortunately.

[@YaroslavNechaev]

honestly the female ATC did absolutely nothing to help here and only made the situation way worse. She even issued instructions that directly conflicted the previous instruction of the male controller! He was told to "cross final" and she started yelling at him again and saying that he need to fly 090. Her behavior was unprofessional and could have ended in the disaster - you are supposed to break the chain, not help line up the holes in the swiss cheese.

[@masoodjalal1152]

When the female ATC yelled "fly the heading we told you to", i felt like she needs proper scolding her self. What was that instruction? if he is not flying 200, maybe he forget it or didnt hear it. Whatever the case be, its pilot fault, but you cannot just say "oh fly where we told you to fly", you can simply tell him to fly 200. I also want to know her thinking process. If you see a person who is failing to follow instructions and is a hazard for other planes and people on the ground, do you make him land safely or you keep him flying and send him outside your field for someone else to deal with him?. If there is a hazard you just dont keep them around until they harm others or themself. The male ATC did a good job, he was calm and got him down, scolded him once he was on the land and no longer a threat to anyone. for some reason, i believe there is some underlying medical condition as well. Because you cannot be that incompetent after flying for so many years.

[@anotherkatiek]

Oh look, VAS and his minions are blaming it on a woman. How completely unsurprising. Never mind that the 87-year-old man at the controls of the plane could have taken out a planeload of passengers. It's the woman's fault!

[@YaroslavNechaev]

@@anotherkatiek are you kidding me? Are you suggesting that us calling out the controller's unprofessional behaviour have anything to do with her gender? She is a trained professional who is being paid to keep the airplanes safe, yet she throws tantrums and issues conflicting instructions. This is unacceptable. If it was the male controller who escalated the situation and the female controller who helped resolve it - we would have blamed the male controller the same way. I can't believe there are people who need this simple thing explained. Also don't you think it's literally the controller's job to ensure separation and guarantee that a stray amateur pilot can't take out a planeload of passengers?

[@lorifitzgerald2891]

Unbelievable that this pilot was not reading back instructions. Really was a disaster. He needs his licence pulled and remedial training. Sure hope he didn’t have passengers onboard. Scary.

[@johnhaller5851]

He sounded task saturated when he shouldn't be. No call sign when he did respond to ATC while he was in the air. His radio work was a little better, even if he was still unable to actually follow the instructions he got. I think his flying days are over, he isn't able to keep up with the demands of flying an airplane.

[@oiseauvert_]

Aviate. Navigate. Communicate. I think he was too busy trying to make the first two things happen correctly.

[@CockMcBallsddd]

He's gonna cause something horrific to happen if he keeps flying. Holy hell. . .

[@paulg2132]

I was expecting the controller to ask if there was another pilot on board.

[@harrynamkoong3361]

@@oiseauvert_ Problem was he wasn't even aviating. He couldn't hold altitude or heading.

[@molivroman9806]

I worked ATC in the military. As I have posted before although there were deviations ATC is too emotional and shows excessive anger in these situations. They could have got that fellow across the runway before issuing the phone number. It is not good to increase the anxiety level of the pilot when he is already having difficulty anytime but especially during the transition to land.

[@ardeladimwit]

don't think yelling at him helped much- just increases stress and panic and leads to errors. Somebody yells at me, I shut down as a result of physical abuse. Somebody dealing with trauma or anxiety can react the same way. .some folks really shake like beaten dogs when they sense something wrong. He sounds really badly shaken. If 14years good record, seems wrong to dogpile or abuse him more.

[@harrynamkoong3361]

This is not a military airport in Timbuktu with two flight ops a day traffic. TEB is a busy airport itself with like 10 miles away from EWR and inline with the final approach path for 22L and 22R. Not only that, the class B deck for TEB location is at 1800' and this dude definitely didn't get any class B clearance for his maneuvers that day. You can't have people not able to hold heading/altitude just meandering around like he's doing flight pattern work at some uncontrolled airport middle of nowhere.

[@xs10z]

@@harrynamkoong3361 You completely miss the point. It would have been proper to get the dude off the taxiways and runways FIRST, and THEN bark at him and insist he go read back the phone number in triplicate. That controller sounds like he is on roids or something. jesus.

[@logicplague]

​​@@harrynamkoong3361Military ATC could be a small airport in Timbuktu, or it could be flight ops for a carrier. They get busy too, you know.

[@stephenbeck7222]

@@xs10z the ground control yelling at him for entering a runway was the least of this guy’s problems. Assume ground control was in the same tower as the 2 or 3 other ATC that had already been dealing with him.

[@alexfrancis3603]

Just when you're 3/4 of the video in You can't help but painfully think omg there is more to this?!

[@paperclipmaniac]

This is the guy with NY/NJ plates that drives ten under in the left lane, cuts people off, and then flips everyone off that beeps the horn at him.

[@JohnnyCarroll-wi6tx]

thats tottaly uncalled for.your a hemoroid.

[@stefanolorisi2143]

Possible explanation for what happened on the taxiway: some models of Cherokees (like the 140HP one) don't have breaks at the pedals but only a single, hand-operated break which coincides to the "emergency break" (rather, parking break) on bigger Pipers like the Warrior. So this guy, in complete panic, might have forgotten he was on a 140 and tried to break with the tip of his feet which does nothing. Just a theory...

[@brayhill]

I've never seen that, but I flew a PA28-181. But he must have used brakes on his landing.

[@k5sss]

We think he’s the registered owner, so if he forgot where the brakes were on his own plane, that points us back to mental issues.

[@thefallenrift1705]

This is one of the most crazy atc interations I’ve seen in a While

[@rtroajax]

Breaking news: 14 year tenant suddenly gets evicted

[@jaysmith1408]

I’d love him as a tenant. He has an airplane that is prohibited from leaving the hangar. It leaves, the FAA will cube it.

[@nitehawk86]

@@jaysmith1408 You have 30 minutes to move your cube.

[@jaysmith1408]

@@nitehawk86 ☎️ nyellow, FSDO’s office. Is it about my cube?

[@ImpendingJoker]

@@jaysmith1408 hangar*

[@Big_Z14]

That means there's open hangar space, nice lmao

[@westofwahpeton4692]

Seems like he was in WAY over his head.

[@flyjetway]

I have a reason to believe he was intoxicated. His speech was a bit slurred

[@TheFlyingZulu]

@@flyjetway That, CO poisoning or a mild stroke... Not being able to fly a heading and an altitude shouldn't be over the head of a 10 hour private student let a lone one that has been flying into the same airport for 14 years.

[@zingfodd]

When it flipped to taxi view, I was like, "Wait.. There's more???" lol

[@DatDenDude]

You know CFSDS was just itching to stay on frequency a little bit longer

[@VASAviation]

I got the report from an anonymous pilot witness. Maybe him?

[@BetweenTheBorders]

There was a lot of stepping on each other, too. I chalk a lot of this up to confusion. Now, that could be getting behind the airplane, medical, or a hundred other reasons, but this needs a complete investigation not to rake the guy over the coals, but to make sure he's safe around everyone else. Some things can be fixed, and others can't. Fix what you can, mitigate the rest.

[@inshallamiami]

Gosh you seem like a good person

[@TheJerseyAviator]

Dude… what the actual …

[@xVoLxPaYnE]

6AV and the terrible, horrible, no good, very bad day.

[@gabrielvasin7880]

i seriously don't understand how this can possibly happen. I've made mistakes as a student pilot sure but this guy is something else

[@JohnnyCarroll-wi6tx]

and the atc,s as well.its a two way street pal.

[@barbarachambers7974]

That first male controller was very calm about this situation. Pretty amazing considering the airspace he was in.

[@garycosby8979]

Wow... just Wow

[@wibbley1]

Sounded like an older gentleman. Maybe it is time for an intervention from friends & relatives, suggesting now is a good time to retire from flying solo. No reason he could not continue to fly if accompanied by a qualified pilot, willing to check him. Happens to many on the road, just don't realise it is time to hang-up the driving gloves & use the bus pass.

[@WebWolf89]

I surely hope (and hope he's fine now) this was a medical issue like in Australia a few months ago... Flight data shows some sharp speed and altitude deviations in the last 20 minutes of flight.

[@davebartosh5]

I live very close to Teterboro airport. It's VERY busy with those biz-jets. It used to be a place to practice touch and goes,etc. Not anymore...😉

[@JosephTMeiroseIV]

This old timer immediately jumped in his class A motorcoach, with big wraparound sunglasses, and is headed to Florida, pronounced Flarida.

[@aps-pictures9335]

Assuming that he has been flying 14 yrs, regularly, into this or other fields - I hazard pilot incap on this one. Too many things going wrong for it not to be a medical issue (even if just ageing related).

[@johnroscoe2406]

Stop it you're not allowed to be rational in the comments. You're supposed to call the pilot incompetent and stupid.

[@nicholasgibson8483]

This guy just kept getting reamed by multiple air traffic controllers, my head would be spinning like crazy to!

[@tjseid]

All he had to do was turn 200 and climb to 1500 THATS IT!! It was minutes of pain and he never read it back!!! He kinda had it coming

[@nicholasgibson8483]

@@tjseid On top of that, he rolled past the hold short marker onto the active runway! This guy needs some serious counseling.

[@Avionicx]

I mean, failing to follow simple heading and altitude directions and getting the way of multiple jets landing is pretty reasonable for getting yelled at. And hell, ATC was pretty nice for way long than they needed to hr

[@michaelmartin3096]

He was told to turn at midfield and instead turned immediately, directly into the path of an arrival on the final. She was obviously the guys OJTI and took over when she saw the conflict. That will get any controllers blood pressure spiking. The trainee should have said, continue heading 200, once midfield turn left, fly directly overhead the field, and then join the left downwind. Not sure if that would have helped with this guy.

[@rafabeton609]

Probably wise to declare an emergency, land, and get on the phone later on.

[@VASAviation]

If he knew his limits, absolutely yes. It's OK to be disoriented, have the airplane fly faster than you think, feel uncomfortable in weather or hot temperatures... Just say it and receive attention. But then he said "been here for 14 years" and made his challenge.

[@MikesDIY]

ATC should have declared for him. Regardless of what he was thinking and/or experencing, he was a danger to everyone in that airspace and on the ground.

[@dianeladico1769]

@@VASAviation That's the key-in some situations a person doesn't understand that they are compromised.

[@MisterIvyMike]

​@@dianeladico1769 My brother is a diabetic and in former times when he was not medicated and had some hypoglycemia he acted like that guy and was unable to understand what was happening to him. I so: "you have to drink some coke" and he awnsered "Yeah yeah" and was continuing acting like a stupid, NOT DRINKING some coke... Later he learned to deal with it. But the first times it was crazy!

[@YaroslavNechaev]

@@VASAviation I don't think it was a challenge, it sounded more like a plea for help. Imagine you are disoriented, have a home field in sight and you are being threatened to be banished from that airspace. He clearly needed to just get on the ground. ATC should have declared an emergency for him and landed him. Zero empathy and attempt to deescalate/help from the female controller.

[@nobodysbusiness4130]

I used to get a kick out of those “old” comments but now I’m old.

[@androidphone1901]

Everyone should probably stop being assholes about this until we get the details. Flying is serious, and so is safety. Getting to the bottom of this could help future pilots. He's either medically unwell, or mentally strained beyond his limit. I've never had a day like this myself before, and I hope no one does either. Good luck to the pilot. Hopefully we'll all learn from this and that he overcomes it. Find your courage and confidence and develop it.

[@secondrule]

Easy to say that when you weren't flying in that area in another plane wanting to land safely without a mid air collusion. Driving a car like that is bad enough but most people will NOT survive a mid air accident. Just falling a 100 ft to the ground will be a BAD day. I am sure the loved ones will take comfort in knowing their loved one died because the other pilot had a medical condition or because of his advanced age. That makes the loss OK, even happy. If i am driving a car, and someone almost causes an accident with me... Yeah, i will proudly be an asshole...

[@z33511]

You're asking everyone else to stop being an asshole to someone from New Jersey?

[@androidphone1901]

@@z33511 I think your point was more valid than the first guy's. So rather than explain how investigating can increase safety through prevention, let's just say New York and New Jersey is full of dbags. That's more fun to talk about and I can kinda agree.

[@androidphone1901]

@@secondrule Oh look, an AvGeek Internet troll! I didn't know they came in that flavor, must be a limited edition. Good luck with that! I gotta do a pre-flight now ttyl.

[@Pilotmike91]

@@secondrule lol so do you think that if someone goes and gets a medical renewed, that it’s impossible for a medical event to occur between that time and the next renewal? Also do you think that everyone is flying around Teterboro in the blind? They had him on the scope, and they would have moved the other planes around if it turned into that big of an issue where a mid air was eminent. Unless you want to try to tell me that a Citation or a Phenom can’t out climb a Cherokee. The fact of the matter is that shit happens and it’s important to learn what happened and how to prevent it in the future.

[@tjseid]

Mans been there 14 years and somehow has never talked with these controllers before??? Turn heading 200 and climb to 1500 thats literally all he had to do 😵‍💫

[@JohnnyCarroll-wi6tx]

dont be a hemoroid.

[@Screamblade_]

Not sure what to think of this- I feel like.... is that confirmation bias?

[@aross924]

But the guys at the weekend fly in breakfast say he is a really good pilot! 🥞 😂

[@josephroberts6865]

More of a pile-it than pilot.

[@MrPilotboy93]

This was honestly so brutal to listen to.

[@TheJustinJacobs]

There should be a follow up to this one, it’s pretty insane

[@mdr48371]

He's a menace to himself and everything in the air. Yes, birds, too!

[@JohnnyCarroll-wi6tx]

and so is your mom.

[@JackedRado71]

Always a Cherokee. Either there’s an abandoned one at any airfield, one that has mechanical issues, or one that’s piloted by this guy. Never fails

[@k5sss]

The cub guys are way worse, but they don’t have radios.

[@geebsinside514]

9:22 Whoever that was knew he was about to have a fun day at work

[@dub2967]

3:56 , was certain 6AV would say “Heading” 😂

[@pjs232]

I'll be honest, this guy clearly wasn't all there and was a threat to everyone in that airspace, but the way ATC handled it was not great. They did not stay calm, and the way they handled this definitely added to the pressure (and likely the amount of mistakes) this pilot made. I completely understand wanting to be angry with a guy like this, but ATC is not the right job to allow that impulse to win- they needed to calm it down and de-escalate for the safety of all and not exacerbate the situation.

[@JohnnyCarroll-wi6tx]

the first honest and positive answer throught out .koodos.

[@AeroGraphica]

From around 2:00 he almost stopped mid air, I though he was a heli. In some way I can't help feeling sorry for this guy, whatever was going on with him.

[@TwistedKestrel]

I am wondering if that was either GPS funkiness or him being too low for good reception on "public" ADSB receivers

[@AeroGraphica]

@@TwistedKestrel I don't think so because there are no jumps in the positions. From 2:00 to 3.20 he barely moves, must have been flying really, really slow...

[@RobertSzasz]

​​@@AeroGraphicathe position data was just mlat of the transponder, not full gps ads-b. Position, speed, heading are all going to be 🤷 position is probably good to a quarter mile at best (Altitude is probably spot on though)

[@MrLegendra]

Teterboro ATC talking so slowly sounds so strange. Understand why the slowed down for this guy, but if anyone wants to know what normal ATC in that area sounds like change the video speed to 2.5x

[@oncamerawithroberthenry531]

Yes, and the comments that the female controller was “aggressive” and such are most likely from people who have not flown in and out of TEB.

[@rohitsarathy7080]

4:32 I think he said "I'm a tenant here at Teterboro"

[@ROBIN_SAGE]

Wow that was terrible. This man is either having a medical issue or is just too old to fly. Either way; he needs to NOT be at the controls any longer. Great job ATC for figuring out a way to get him on the ground safely, for everyone’s sake!

[@johnroscoe2406]

It's for these very reasons that the freaking out ATC was just as dangerous and was not making anything better, but you're not going to acknowledge that part are you.

[@supersonicfroot]

When Ground openly said “yeah, he’s a disaster” on the frequency… oooh i would have dug a hole and climbed in it…

[@artemkras]

I've seen similar behaviour in people with a certain degree of dementia. They appear to communicate normally, but fail to understand quite basic ideas and perform simple tasks like turning left or right.

[@andysPARK]

The guy was having some medical issue. He was confused and in need of help. Kudos to the controller who took over and got the exec to guide him down. Tbh, they should have quietly gone to medical emergency mode. He'll need a medical review as do we all at some point if we want to keep any sort of vehicle or aviation licence. Glad he made it down safely if not elegantly.

[@Venti1388]

Completely agree! The female ATC lost her rag with him and did not help at all. If he’s not following instructions, how does it help saying “Do what we told you to do!” Good job someone calmer took over.

[@nocalsteve]

I’ve met people like this. I may seem like a medical issue but there are people whose personality just prevents them from cooperating in any way. They expect everything around them to just work itself out. It also seems that the controllers may be aware of the infamy of this pilot and they give him a shorter leash to operate with. No matter the reason, this pilot has no business being in the cockpit of an airplane.

[@bmitch3020]

"possible" pilot decision ... Yeah, ATC is going to have a long conversation.

[@theAmazingDavidKidd1]

I was wondering why tower didn't call a deviation sooner

[@bmitch3020]

@@theAmazingDavidKidd1 I don't think this pilot was competent enough to both fly and write down a number.

[@JohnnyCarroll-wi6tx]

me thinks he had heart attack.a real heart attack.

[@alecedick1158]

Saving this for students.

[@AngusCNH]

Any afterstory?

[@robertmog4336]

Watching that radar craziness increased my blood pressure. Props to ATC.

[@Legendsingray]

Guys like this is why ATC has a mandatory retirement age.