Renault Zoe 50 - Have They Screwed It Up Like The Leaf Or Is It Actually A Good Refresh?!

The new-ish Renault Zoe 50 (2020). It gives the best range for the price but is there a downside or is it just great value?
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[@tubularap]

0:00 - "It's raining, it's windy. I'm wet and miserable." - That is the kind of intro I have been waiting to see somewhere, once. Not kidding. Brilliant and honest !!

[@Telcontarnz]

You have got better and better over the years, and are doing some of the best and honest car reviews. Well done, great review.

[@edwyncorteen1527]

All EVs should come with Rapid DC charging and a Heat pump, Renault can get away with 22kW AC only in France where the chargers are everywhere, all RHD Zoe should include CCS, there will be many disappointed buyers who did not know they need to add this option and most dealers will not know they need to insist on adding it!

[@XavierCathyGabrielElliott]

Charger are not everywhere in France. I’m going there this summer, like every year, and I have to take a 150km detour because my usual route doesn’t have enough chargers (I just transitioned to ev)!

[@cultistofgyarloth]

My dealer informed me about CCS but left it up to me, he said many customers got along fine with just 22 kW (Switzerland). I still took the option because I believe the Zoe gives the best of both worlds. Keep in mind this is the only car with 22 kW included by default, even Tesla charges for this upgrade, and the 22 kW upgrade for Tesla is a lot more expensive than the CCS one for the Zoe. Heat pump is default as well, VW and BMW charge for this.

[@williamgoode9114]

DC cabling is more dangerous, CCS won't be the industry standard, Tesla got that right too, most DC equipment is limited to about 60v, like eGO etc

[@cjmillsnun]

@@williamgoode9114 So why does the Model 3 have CCS?

[@nickieredshaw7835]

We just brought ze50 gtline ccs , and got good deal off .done 1800 miles in under 5 weeks and cost less than 1p a mile on electricity so can’t knock it’s Efficiency had 190 miles in bad weather at 60-65 mph on motorway with 26 left and had upto 260 range in mixed town and a roads keeping to speed limits with upto 5.8 miles per kWh , had 210-260 ranges so better than wltp , which is good . Enjoying every moment first ev tried a few others and like you say for miles per £ it’s great . Family of 4 and everyone happy in Zoe . Going on long trips in summer holidays so it will be test of boot , but had £127 of shopping over week and with floor in the back fitted it all in so that’s good for small car. Saving 150-200 £ in first month in fuel. So all in all were happy with our first ev !

[@andrewdyson4255]

Thank you, I never stop learning something from your videos, blimey this week the speed limit is 70 mph.......gulp

[@trumptypumpty]

Great review Andy, you're bang on regarding ccs charging particularly when we look at what's happening with ev's over the next couple of years and beyond.

[@jcfallows]

August 2023 I recently bought a two year old Zoe GT LINE. Your road test conclusions were spot on! The built in 22kw charger and having a CCS 50KW Plug is very handy! The price was under £15k with only 9K miles and 3 years of warranty left! Finance 2.4% APR. BARGAIN!

[@mike_nelson]

Thanks for your videos! Quick pointer on a typo- "but has is their". Appreciating the down to earth informative videos as always!

[@peteg8920]

One thing reviewers do not consider in England is the rust proofing new cars are given. I live in Sweden and always keep my cars for years so its important when buying new or used. Here the major car magazine always tests new cars and the Renault Zoe gets maximum points. Otherwise most of the Evs have relatively poor rust proofing. So the Zoe is a good buy if you intend to keep the car and even replace the battery in the future.

[@garethedwards2883]

I think it is one of the best EV's on the market but your right the CCS charging should be fitted as standard, come on Renault it's 2020.

[@euruproktos1278]

Many Many businesses use Zoe for local deliveries and they never need CCS. You want CCS? Spec it and stop complaining!

[@garethedwards2883]

@@euruproktos1278 My point is you shouldn't have to spec it therefore paying extra, it should come as standatd.

[@doggylover1958]

Agree it should be standard on any car costing this much. It isn’t exactly a budget Dacia Sandero is it?

[@markosullivan6444]

Your videos are always entertaining as well as informative. I've clicked the bell icon as I look forward to seeing your videos in my notifications. You deserve more subscribers!

[@David-bl1bt]

Maybe a lot of people just don't 'get' the Yorkshire sense of humour.

[@Kenny177245]

Hey EVM, Love your reviews. I drive this car and have not been triggered at all by any of the comments. You just give really great trusted reviews and recommend your videos to people. Keep up the great work!

[@craigevans6156]

Without rapid charging, it cannot be a practical long term option. The resale value alone will be affected without CCS.

[@stevecapper9321]

u can charge upto 43kwh fast charge on electric highway chargers on all motorway services on just the standard type 2 plugs I have done it on my 22kwh Zoe no problem takes about 40 mins to do it to 100 % .

[@SandyRitchie]

@@stevecapper9321 up to 43kW on the Q motor. The new Zoe 50 ONLY comes with the R motor. So if you don't spec CCS you can ONLY charge at up to 22kW maximum. If its a only car, you don't have a home charger perhaps and you don't do long trips then it'll be absolutely fine. If you want to do long trips however you'll want the CCS option (even if its proven to top out at 44kW in multiple tests) as a 2+ hours stop to charge might be a bit jarring on a long trip.

[@Zimpaz]

What do you use to plug your mic into when your outside? Phone maybe?

[@itsfahys]

@@SandyRitchie Yes a lot of people get caught out with the Old Zoe. The Faste 43AC was pretty rare in the original Zoe. I had the Zoeze40 with R Motor so could only do 22kW AC but travellin in Ireland the distances arent that great so one charge on a longer trip over lunch was fine. If i was buying a Zoe now though id have to have CCS for convenience and Resale value.

[@petecoventry6858]

It has CCS so yeahl. It's just a shame the Lane keep assist is crap - the app is crap and after 6 months it needs a shit loads of updates at the dealer!

[@ewadge]

Very nice review Andy. I really enjoy your reviews.

[@taztaz79]

Compared with ZE40 the 50 is lightyears better according to me.. better interior, better light, better soundproofing, display percentage charge on display and so on... im sooo happy with y ZE50....

[@bbcooter388]

Congratulations !! Courious; did you get the CCS option ?

[@Odinscrow1962]

Great video. I’m pleased I located your content. The information will benefit many including myself. My first Motability car will be in 4 - 7 months. ❤

[@smithy4121]

We had pretty much decided to buy the Zoe from looking on the Internet due to the price and range until we went and actually sat in it. My hubby who is close on 6 foot tall thought the driving position was OK. I'm 5' 5" and when I sat in it the 1st thing I said to the salesman was how do I raise the seat. He told me I couldn't and I said I'd need a booster seat to see over the the steering wheel (I have a bad back so I don't exactly sit up straight). Then when we got in the back I realised there was no way my 14 year old would be able to fit in as I couldn't fit my feet under the seat and her feet were as big as mine. I don't think they should he selling a car without rapid charging tbh either. We kept our leaf for a bit longer and got a hyundai ioniq on lease thanks to a deal you shared on twitter so thanks for that. We love the ioniq for comfort, space, range and things they include as standard.

[@didierlemoine6771]

My sister charges her Zoe once a week with driving it around 20 miles a day

[@Tron-Jockey]

For my Leaf I removed the false floor and purchased a new matching rim with full spare tire, scissor jack and lug wrench (all on eBay for a very low price). Made my own foam cut outs to make it look factory. Now I need to come up with a slightly modified false floor to cover it. The Zoe looks to have a boot deep enough to do the same.

[@markcrowley7042]

We are on our 3rd ZOE, we have a GT Line, cracking car - however I do agree re the CCS

[@NigelWickenden]

As I can't afford a TM3, I'm happy with my 64kWh Hyundai Kona. 200 miles at 70MPH in temps of -3C with heating & aircon on.

[@GavinScrimgeour]

Nigel Wickenden that’s the info I was after - thanks 👌🏾

[@wobby1516]

Nigel Wickenden Me too, the kona electric is a great car, but would love the model Y.. Roll on next month and Ernie ££££

[@jasongreen2306]

What kind of price difference do you have? In New Zealand a Kona lists at $78900 and TM3 is $81700

[@NigelWickenden]

@@GavinScrimgeour I was getting 3.2 miles per kWh from a car that had done 4,500 miles. The bonnet had frost on it as there's no ICE to warm it up. My BIG mistake was putting the seat cooler on when I started the journey. After a while I realised and put the seat heater on.

[@1905934]

In Canada the Kona is more expensive... How good is the Kona supercharging network?

[@TheJAMF]

11:25 Hey, that Aux input will be handy, when I connect my Rio Karma or Iriver H140. 😊

[@alanjrobertson]

100% agree re the screen - my first thought when looking at it was how dated it looked with the massive bezel!

[@williamgoode9114]

Seemed a lot of reflection even in rainy Yorkshire, smaller windows for reduced solar gain, but no car has solved the big black heat absorbing dash where the majority of heat gain occurs, less of a problem in UK granted.

[@AaronCocker]

Best review of the Zoe I've seen yet for the detail and your honest views, and some interesting conclusions, great job Andy!

[@stuartkirby4654]

I have updated from the ZE40 after 3 years and now have the ZE50. The main reason is the extra range and slightly faster charging. I generally drive no more than 150 miles and then need a rest. The highway code says you should rest after 2 hours which is about 120 miles. In my old ZE40 the car would have little extra range in case of a detour or a charger not working but the new one has about another 50 miles which means this problem is solved! Only need better infrastructure now. Should have at least 12 chargers at each service station not 1 or 2! By the way, the new Zoe still has a button to press to remove the vacuum cleaner noise (when at low sleed) and make it silent. I was delighted when discovered it!

[@andyjamo1961]

Great review, having just bought the new Zoe Riviera I was told that all new Zoe’s are supplied with CCS 50KW rapid charging as standard now. The dealer Richard Sanders Kettering explained that only 10% of Zoe’s in recent times didn’t have the CCS option so from about June 21 it became a standard fitment. Strangely it lost the light over the drivers vanity mirror and inductive smartphone charging though

[@pcr8918]

Yet to see Doug DeMuro do a review in the rain - or even in Yorkshire! Keep them coming👍

[@vismantass.2942]

Do not excuse, whatever equipment you were using, hardly any wind noise, excellent sound, enjoyed the video, keep it up, thanks.

[@clairehiggins7120]

Totally agree about the rapid charging as standard, cheeky of them to do that.

[@kevfquinn]

On range difference with the e-208 - that additional 30-40 miles covers the distance between service stations, so gives you the extra backup for when the Ecotricity CCS chargers at your chosen recharge motorway station are broken or occupied.

[@doggylover1958]

Which is most of the time.

[@leoclarke6462]

A good honest review Andy

[@David-bl1bt]

A refreshing review. BTW, I can't find the Tesla or octopus links in the description.

[@komoriboy]

Here's my Octopus link if you want to use it? share.octopus.energy/alive-dove-609

[@adriancarey7848]

"the stereo", down to earth man👍 agreed screen an after thought. Whats the point of 110 or 135. 135 and 200 maybe.

[@jur4x]

In some Ford models RHD versions had somewhat inconvenient cabin filter placement. You needed to disconnect your fusebox in order to change one. On the other hand, you needed to remove accelerator pedal on the LHD version.

[@watcher24601]

The new Zoe is a nice refresh with the upgraded interior and bigger battery. Shame the CCS is an option and at a time when new 150kw chargers are being installed, why does it max out at 45kw DC. For similar money I'd probably get the Corsa E, for the extra tech and charging...or wait for the next Zoe I also don't understand why popular features available with the previous model have been taken away such as the button to open the charge flap, or the central armrest and storage.

[@timsmith5339]

They are definitely limited to 87mph. My 88 bhp Zoe has the same top speed too, as does the 110. I'm sure mine could beat 100mph if it was let loose. It's not a problem though, it's a long time since I felt the need to max out every vehicle I have and 87 is more than I'll ever need.

[@ianbailey2582]

Good review, I’ve ordered one, my first EV and looking forward to it! A big winner on range for me, and price is always negotiable 😉 especially at the moment!

[@ianbailey2582]

@@tf9888 no regrets at all, it’s a brilliant car. If you are travelling a long way in one day just plan your charge point and have spare points in case the first one isn’t working!

[@decimal1815]

Any resolution of the side airbag issue? That puts me off looking at the ZE50 tbh.

[@Tom55data]

CCS charging - requires few electronics as you are just directly charging the DC batteries with a DC charger that just pushes as hard as the car says it can take - does not cost £1000. There are protection circuits, but they are simple/cheap. That is different from AC charging which require high power inverters, cooling and electronics - that is what I would expect be £100's of pounds for. So yes, this is standard stuff from the car manufactures.

[@levenkay4468]

At a minimum, a DC charging inlet requires another contactor relay and extra high-voltage wiring. It's not trivial, and depending on where the battery terminals have to go, it may involve a fair length of high voltage/high current cabling. But I agree it's not something that should cost a thousand pounds either.

[@williamgoode9114]

Does this battery have thermal management, cos a very high rate of charge for an extended period can over heat it, Tesla are precooled before charging

[@edwinsmith9617]

William Goode Yep it has active cooling (unlike the Leaf)

[@immortalsofar5314]

I love auxiliary inputs. If I decide to use my custom SSD hardware with an AM/FM/8 track/Cassette/CD/MP3/early smart phone player then I can. Future proofing is always good.

[@bazoo513]

Very complete, very reasonable. I agree with everything except for the desirability of AUX audio input - I _do_ use those.

[@ElectricVehicleMan]

Are you over 50?

[@bazoo513]

@@ElectricVehicleMan It shows, eh? :o) I collect (well, hoard) ancient HiFi portable thingies.

[@mickcox5825]

Have a GT rapid charge ordered and due next week. Will be a second car and second EV to go with our Model 3 SR+ range and boot size persuaded us, looked at mini but with two kids the only 3 door option put us off. Good honest review and agree re CCS (we 'only' paid £750 as ordered in feb) don't think we will use but handy to have in case or for re sale.

[@benpaynter]

Totally agree about CCS. Just seems nuts not to have it on every model as standard. Although you didn't mention that it can take 22kwh from a type 2 which I wish more cars had.

[@swedishsaabguy1808]

Also need to factor in that it isnt watercooled battery pack, much like the leaf. So batterylife might be an issue over when the car has a few years on it. Maybe the MG ZS ev first gen is a safer car, with ccs standard and watercooled battery.

[@style11guru]

I'm soon to swap from a 22kwh 2014 rapid charge Zoe into the new GTline, that's for me the best upgrade option. If I'd had a 40kwh Zoe I'd probably be happy for another couple of years, but triple range and newer gadgets is a winner.

[@bbcooter388]

Are you getting the CCS Charging?

[@DogsBAwesome]

I would be interested if the E-208 and the corsa-e have a less of a drop in winter if they have proper battery conditioning.

[@Channy132]

Agree with you on the screen thing - my first thought on it was it just looks like someone glued an old ipad there.... it bugs me too

[@krispyai4229]

A car review 🙂 Good stuff.

[@darrenj4310]

Purchased ZE40 NEW whilst waiting for ZE50 ccs to be made.The ZE50 is leagues ahead.I average about 4 miles to a kw so 200 miles range with varied driving.The CCS charges at 43kw to 60% and about 30kw from 60-90% it then drops to about 20kw from 90-100%. You can add about 100 miles in 30 mins. The CCS is ESSENTIAL even if it costs £1000 because ALL Zoes are a pain to charge on AC, especially if the battery is cold.(Typically the ZE40 would only charge at 14kw on a AC rapidcharger & 21kw ( warm). The ZE50 with CCS is perfect for the current UK charging network.I would not even consider the new mini , honda , golf , i3 , leaf as their owners have told me they are only good for around 100 miles! I get 180 miles at a constant 70mph on the motorway in the ZE50.(3.6miles/kw). Driven gently 5 miles/kw is possible achieving 245 miles.I have completed 1500 miles in the ZE50 and cannot fault it. Drives much better than the last Zoe and the dash is a big improvemnt with the ipad style touch screen with apple car play allows you to mirror apps like Spotify & Google maps onto the screen.Reversing camera image goes full screen on display! Front parking sensors are very handy when approaching a charge point as Zoe charges from the front and allows you to get close. Dealers will discount if you ask £32k List /paid £26k after grant.Oh, and the car came with a fully fitted 7kw homecharger with 5metre cable attached fitted by BP chargemaster and costs just £1 per hour to charge at home and adds 30 miles per hour.These chargers can cost £1000 if fitted seperately but all new zoes come with this free of charge if you own your own driveway.

[@sevesellors2831]

Great review probably the best electric car for the price and range.

[@LA09a]

Had my Zoe for just over a month. Great little car. My previous cars have been 'buses' - Sharan, Grand Voyager, Evoque and so quite a stepdown size-wise. Storage solved with false floor in the boot and armrest (though you lose a cupholder) to hide away small items. Other car in household is TM3 - can't compare, but I prefer the dials to virtually everything on touchscreen (which I have to re-learn each time I take the Tesla out). Despite this being a 'second' car, range was important as I don't want to have to borrow the Tesla for when I'll eventually be able to go on long trips. Getting good range for winter (160 miles). Seems economical. (NB - NHS so I am driving every day). btw - used Carwow for big discount so didn't notice the cost of the extras (CCS and accessories) quite so much.

[@Sam-tx1tn]

Nice review. North Yorkshire. You should try living in Scotland!

[@subevo35]

Went for the mg zs ev . More space for the the money.the retractable panoramic roof is Amazing as is the electric sunblind.ccs as standard.

[@johndoyle4723]

Thanks, I don't know why I am watching this, as I have just taken delivery of my Kia. What it does tell me is I made the right choice. The screen is horrible, and no fast charging, are killers, the seats and headroom are also a secondary concern. As a town supermini it is probably fine. Thanks for a good review, as always.

[@jonmoon6943]

CCS was an option on early i3 models and lack of it was a big negative for resale. I went for a version with CCS but have found that I have not used it in three years as it makes no sense on a car with a range extender / small battery. Totally depends on your personal use case. Agree it should be an at cost option though.

[@cjmillsnun]

I have to agree with you about CCS. It should be standard. Other than that it is a huge improvement over the ZE40

[@redpillnibbler4423]

Thinking of buying a 2014 v.low mileage Zoe at a good price - your opinions please?

[@davidsworld5837]

you could blow hot air on to the display that could over time effect the display

[@williamgoode9114]

Or sit it in the sun, next to a hot black dash

[@christhesoundman]

I've just seen that they've carried on with one of my biggest complaints about our Clio. The internal front door handles are right at the front end of the doors. If it's a bit windy then you've got all that leverage of the door's length working against you. Even 6 inches further back would make a big difference. The handle design also means that as you operate the mechanism the handle isn't a strong thing to hold on to. There's that other handle further back alongside the electric window controls but that's not where your hand naturally falls.

[@iro-huncarguy8367]

Ik it's no comparison, but my 2007 Seat Altea xl doesn't have blanked out buttons. It's a base model but the limited rebel plus version. Still, this looks nice though. I really like the refresh of the inside

[@slartybartfarst9737]

Cracking good test, agreed no CCS not good

[@cannygrowabeard]

Lack of CCS as standard will make second hand searches of these a bloody nightmare (similar to the battery lease versions of the ZE40). Also am I right in assuming that without the CCS, you are stuck with 7.2kW charging or do those cars get 22kW three phase Type 2 charging?

[@akacicaa]

22kw ac is standard.

[@jacopo.scarpellini]

You probably have realised by now that the Zoe only charges at 45kW on CCS, while the e-208 can charge up to 100kW, so the smaller range is more than compensated by the better charging speed

[@markmayfield5673]

Any plans on doing e208 review

[@bikesqump]

I can't get a ZOE where I live but I think being able to opt out of fast charging is fine if you want a commuter or use for daily life around your town/city. You know how far your commute is so you won't have to stop and charge on the highway plus home power rates are much cheaper than public chargers generally.

[@tedgreagsbey3654]

Just for info, that front area with the key symbol is NOT to charge the key fob but is where you place the fob if the battery is flat in the fob. It's a standard 2032 button cell. Agree CCS should be standard. Pre conditioning and charge flap opening were standard on the old Zoe, but I think Renault have gone for a "standard key fob" across their range. I think the only version that has a "false floor" are those that have the Bose sound system. Oh! no mention of the totally crap My Renault app and the the fact that you cannot pre condition the car with either the app nor the in-car system. Helpfully the car and the app say its "working", NOT. This will be available "real soon now" via OTA and an app upgrade. For transparency I do own a ZE50. The lack of seat height is not a problem for me.

[@jelomaxjoiner]

Totally with you on sat nav screen , it looks like an afterthought, oh we need a screen stick it on top , as for no rapid totally wrong, should be standard

[@yourcrazybear]

@Richard Wood Atleast the screen in Tesla cars are not blocking the air vents like the Renault does. Plus you really can't integrate a screen of that size within the dashboard.

[@errcoche]

The Chevy Bolt in the US has CCS as an option ( still seems to be true for the upcoming 2022 model year ). I bought a used Bolt and was careful to make sure it had CCS. I haven't used the CCS yet but it's there for a potential 180 mile trip from West Palm Beach to Orlando. I can't see me ever leaving the state of Florida in the Bolt. You never really fully deplete and fully recharge so I would tend to put one stop range at something like 170% of total range, so maybe 340 miles for the Zoe, especially as you are traveling at highway speeds and getting less efficiency. What seems really weird with the Zoe is giving you 22kW AC charging that you will never be able to use and not giving CCS. Replace the 22kW rectifier with a more modest 10kW unit and then put the savings into the CCS. This will hurt them IMO.

[@michaeldawson6309]

Thought I would give 3 things I like about this car and 3 things I dislike. Like. Range Style Soft dash materials Dislike Paying extra for CCS That small screen Fixed seats Mike

[@andyjamo1961]

All new Zoe’s come with CCS 50kw DC charging as standard

[@ronaldderooij1774]

I hope they improved the battery management and longeivity of the battery.

[@kardy12]

I can see the motivation for keeping the glass surface small, but for those who have children who suffer from motion sickness and need to see the horizon to avoid being sick it’s not such a great thing... And I agree, CCS should be standard.

[@dlittlester]

I love North Yorkshire, especially around Harrogate and Knaresborough. I was supposed to be there last month, but a little virus got in the way. The Zoe looks like it would fit the bill for me, but they're not sold in Canada, assuming I could afford one.

[@bluetideuk]

I just got rid of my Zoe ze40. Lack of maintenance to locals chargers and the ones that did work I couldn’t use due to the Zoe’s fussy charging parameters. Ended up having to regularly sit at a rapid charger for an 1hour+ (not even reaching 100%) just to be able to run the car. If I was to get another ev in the future proper rapid charging will be a must especially with some charging networks (ie instavolt) only supporting ccs and chademo. Would I choose a Zoe with ccs I’d still say no due to Renaults fussy charging string my experience if another car can charge on it the Zoe should be able to too.

[@jonathanmeazza427]

No good without CCS, also when reselling it I wouldn't even look at a car without CCS as you need that capability for unexpected journeys.

[@hugocass8381]

On the face of it, £1k extra for the CCS option is a bit ripe, but look at leasing costs and you'll see that the CCS equipped car is actually less money per month to lease compared to the base car, presumably because of better residual values. Only a small proportion of new car sales in the UK are to people paying outright, so you should really be talking about leasing/PCP etc costs as well as list prices.

[@LiamE69]

Swings and roundabouts of the charging. Most cars don't come with 22kw AC charging. Places like Ireland and France have 22kw charges everywhere, in the UK not so much.

[@klaushaunstrupchristensen7252]

Fine test of the Zoe. But just keep in mind that hot as in hot hatch belongs on a track. On the road you need comfort and stability. Hot hatches with stiff springs and even stiffer anti roll bars are fun 5% of the time and a nuisance 95% of the time.

[@chrishyde1216]

You can get a 1-year old BMW i3 42kWh (120 Ah) for similar money, or a 2-year old of the same for £26-27k. How would that compare and wouldn't that be a better buy?

[@mikek2218]

Meh... in this "city car" category, I'll take a Seat Mii and save some money and enjoy the greater simplicity... of course only if either of them were available in the US (which neither is). You guys have many more and better options there in the UK. I'm jealous.

[@MrMoonX]

230miles plus isn’t a city car

[@taztaz79]

You can open the charging lid with the unlock button on the key fob. There is no filler floor in ZE50. Mine does not have one.

[@yosyp5905]

The false floor in the boot is an accessory. Every reviewer says you can't open the lid with the fob, and I haven't read anything on the manual. Are you sure you're talking about the ZE50?

[@stud196761]

Yes please try Hyundai ioniq electric

[@Jonas_Fager]

The seat do move up and down. It's on a slop when you move it front and back. Think it's 4cm only tho. Might be enough for most ppl.

[@problemchild1976]

Just swapped from ZE40 to e208 and defo made them right choice. e208 much better spec and styling and in terms of range, I did 180 miles this week and had 50miles left on the range. Wasn’t the screen designed for the clio and then bolted into the Zoe?

[@AdamJermaneJones]

You make AMAZING car reviews. You cover the stuff that ACTUALLY matters. Thanks

[@cawfeedawg]

actually that aux in puts out noticeably better audio than bluetooth.

[@gianfavero]

To be honest I'm very happy to have saved 1000€ and the complexity of the ccs. Had the car for a year never needed to charge in such a rush that a 22kw charger wouldn't be enough.

[@andyjamo1961]

It will effect retail value though as the cars without CCS charging option will always be worth less without it & be less desirable

[@shaungilmartin1505]

seat might fit u but what about the next owner?

[@Dave-in-France]

Hi EVM, this week I've test-driven both the Zoê 50 and the e-208 and I'm convinced that the Peugeot was slow, by comparison to the Zoê. However not including CCS in the Zoê is criminal. Here in France the Zoê can be bought with or without the battery - you can rent the battery.

[@patrickh7368]

Did Renault say anything about the K-ZE that got publicised about a year ago....looks a bit like a slightly larger Zoe...? 🤔

[@PaulMansfield]

The problem with the e-mini is it's only three doors.

[@ateeqn1985]

Hyundai Kona has blank buttons in lower spec versions .. For the non existent seat ventilation..

[@DashDrones]

Love my Zoe, no CCS on it but who cares as all the public 'slow' chargers are 22KW in Ireland which is perfectly adequate 👍

[@keithgeorge7338]

Is it worth buying a type 2 cable to plug into untethered chargers? Does anyone use them very much?

[@dadjv1926]

Always a useful standby. I have used mine when I needed a top up out in the wilds of central Wales, plugged in for free while enjoying a meal and a read of the paper. Also useful at some National Trust properties!

[@nickieredshaw7835]

When we ordered in April ccs was £750 option yes I should be free but saving money on the car with discounts so it’s ok I think , like armrest should be in car like others but was £150 option so these things add up to the price but the car good apart from that saved a good bit of car so options we free in a way and saving 150-200£ in fuel in first month so quids in.

[@stevemick1957]

Forget about good range in winter, we are down to around 116 miles when temp hits zero !

[@jeremylister89]

Good review. My 2007 Mégane has a huge glove box and covered storage between the front seats, drivers seat height adjustment and it's comfy reliable and very cheap to run. As you say Zoe has poor storage. Big negative for me. No seat height adjustment? Wow what an omission! Bad. Prefer manual handbrake (fun, trust, feel, serviceability), and spare wheel. As I do carry sheet material, can you get 2.5 metre boards inside (passenger footwell to rear hatch)? In too many ways EV credentials apart, it's a significant downgrade on my 13 year old basic car. Looks like a case of Renault having different opinion to me on what the essentials are.

[@edwinsmith9617]

You listed a bunch of things that a smaller car can’t do. You want and need a bigger car so don’t look for a hatchback?

[@jeremylister89]

@@edwinsmith9617 apart from car length (Mégane 2 vs Zoe is about 8 inches), the items I mention are achievable in a Zoe sized car.

[@antwnpowell]

The 22 kWh Type 2 on board charger is something I really wish my Kia E Niro had. In france there are many type 2 22 kWh public chargers that are much more reliable than CCS. Yes, I charged today at 45 kWh until 80% then it dropped off. Is Renaults offering much worse in the real world? Having said that, lots of chargers, eg IONITY are ccs only.

[@RobertOw83]

The central unit has always been a non-issue for me in this car when looking at their pictures. Seeing your viewpoint and comments - I would have to agree, looks really out of place and tacked on as an afterthought, but I know it features in some of their other cars too. It's just odd. Which is a shame.

[@Bin216]

The pedestrian warning noise; there is a button to turn it off until you next stop, if you hold that button down, it changes the noise (this is the same as the ZE40). The binnacle/dashboard display; there are 3 layouts to choose from through the infotainment system, you can also customise the indicator noise and volume, you can apparently also change the background image for a custom one, but I've no idea what the requirements for this are; there is only one choice built in, but I guess off is also a choice. On the ZE40 there is a physical button on the right of the display, which cycles through 3 layouts (each with or without the background colour for 6 choices); the there are also different indicator noises, but these are fixed to 3 display layouts. There was a bug in the app where it was showing the range incorrectly, but they seem to have fixed that recently (it is converting km to miles then displaying that as miles, it was spot on if you multiplied the number in the app by 1.6, the guess-o-meter showed the correct range in the car). I have never received any notifications about charging, even though it is setup in the app (I do get Texts for the ZE40, even after the transition to the new app).

[@Bin216]

Also the marked key spot doesn't charge the key (it has a non-rechargeable CR2032 inside), it is the most sensitive spot for the car to detect it; it will tell you to place the key there if it can't detect it wherever it is.

[@williamgoode9114]

Does seem strange, opening and closing cars with fob for years never had to change a battery yet

[@AhhGeeProductions]

Tastefully filmed in one of the UK’s best dogging hotspots.

[@peterpage7322]

Good video, thanks, but I’m surprised you didn’t mention the fact that it hasn’t got liquid battery cooling like the Leaf which really limits the battery life.

[@ElectricVehicleMan]

It's an air cooled battery, the Leaf doesn't even have that.

[@peterpage7322]

@@ElectricVehicleMan yes, I know. We had a deposit down on a new 64kw leaf, but cancelled when we found out about the lack of battery cooling. We were messed around for 3 months being told that it will be with us soon. We then found out that Nissan had put the delivery date back to February 2022, but the dealer lied and said it was December so as not to lose our purchase! We have now gone for a Kia EV6 that has liquid battery cooling. Love your videos by the way, so please keep them up!