How does a destination justify installing high voltage fast chargers when the busy period is only Sunday afternoon? I am thinking of opening a charging station but for weekdays its not worth it because the locals charge at home or drive ICE. I have access to free solar power and free electrical maintenance. And it has to be done without the need for BS apps or accounts, pull up pay with a credit card and then go.

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Did recently a short road trip to in northern Spain (from Porto). Charge wasn’t enough to return without a charge, and I didn’t care as i knew there is a supercharger close by. However, when we went to the city and parked at the harbor, i discovered they had around 15 charge points of which 2 were in use. Just standard 11 kW. Price was included in the parking fee (or no extra charge), and in the few hours we enjoyed the town the car charged up enough to comfortably drive back home and do the next few days of local driving. Yes: tons of low power chargers is what we need.

I find that there may sometimes be an option to destination charge if I'm going somewhere, but then looking at the price they take for charging is higher than at a Tesla supercharger. I mean sure if you don't have any other option, but should it really have to be more expensive to destination charge??

just bought a 62kWh Leaf for 14k....28k miles and it looks and drives like new !!

California, Colorado, Florida, Hawaii, Maryland, New Jersey, New York, Oregon, and Virginia have passed right-to-charge laws aiming to streamline the installation of residential community EV charging stations. Also, Illinois recently passed a right-to-charge law specific to new houses or multiunit buildings.

In Sandyford there are chargers built into the street lighting so either every second lamp post or every lamp post for slow charging.

Over a year ago (or so...) I read about a UK-wide hotel chain (can't remember the name) who had agreed with a charge operator to install 6 x 350kW rapids at each of their hotel locations. Now, that's just plain dumb...! Imagine the scenario... Knackered company rep pulls up in their EV and plugs in to one of the 350kW rapids. Literally, by the time they've trundled their overnight bag through the car park and checked in at Reception, their car would most likely be fully charged. So, do we think that same knackered company rep is going to dump their bag and high-tail it back out in to the car park - possibly in the pouring rain - to unplug their EV, then 'hope' they can find an alternative parking space in a busy hotel car-park...? Err.... that's likely to be a big, fat "No...!" I actually wrote to some Director I found on their company website and suggested that, for the 2.1MW of grid power required for those 6 rapids, they could've installed 300 x 7kW destination charge points - literally could've given EVERY single parking space in EVERY single one of their hotels access to overnight charging. Now THAT would've been something they could've shouted from the rooftops in their PR ads...!!

YHA in the Brecons has a free charger powered by hydro-electric

Church Stretton in Shropshire have 16 distination chargers 50p per kwh and free parking on a Sunday. Go for a hike and come back at 100%

Trafford centre? That's a bit northern mate.

Good prez. Didn't mention battery tec. That's critical for me, LFP only. So I can't see any alternative to the MG4: 15-17K GBP for 2023, .. or? Anyone else found better prices?

Absolutely agree👍

And the price per a kWh has to be sensible for the destination chargers also - too many of those are charging 40p+/kWh which is a pretty bad show - I mean some Tesla Superchargers are lower than that so destination chargers should be capped at 30p or maybe 25p at most. And in fact they should be less overnight...

Yes, chargers should match destinations. Anywhere with a car park like a supermarket or fast food outlet with parking spaces should be building charging infrastructure to bring in the customers, maybe even subsidising the electricity and putting up solar panels like in France. Rapid chargers at restaurants and supermarkets or gym where you go for 30-60 minutes anyway. Slower options for something like cinema or Ikea where you stay 2-3 hours. Trickle chargers at work places and hotels. Problem solved. Charging becomes a non-issue. Add vehicle to grid and you have idle cars acting as grid balancing virtual power plants.

Totally agree Andy, local authorities etc need to get their heads around this. One thing I would add is that the calls for a VAT reduction should (in my opinion) be only for the equivalent chargers to home devices, ie 7kW or less. This is more reasonable as it brings parity between those who can charge at home and those who can’t. I fear asking for VAT cuts on all chargers will always be dismissed as we pay full VAT on petrol.

EV’s has failed because they are useless and dangerous!!! and stupidity expensive and destructive to the environment !!!! Oh by the way what’s going to power all these chargers dotted around on every street and shop ??? The power grid isn’t going to take it !!! I’m sorry but you’re talking completely BS !!!!

The thing that annoys me is, 7kW chargers are installed in car parks so you can charge whilst you go and do something else, but they stupidly put an overstay penalty on them so you have to keep checking the time and rush back to disconnect.

On my EV Tata Nexon, the driving with Sport Mode and Regen Off gives the best range. Regen actually reduces the range on rural and open roads. The logic of using more energy to gain speed than Regen recuperating actually is true.

For day to day use destination chargers make a lot of sense at places like work, big retail parks etc. it takes the stress off the rapid charge network, for those on longer journeys, who need to charge more rapidly. Add more destination chargers, the low range supermini EV’s start to make the sense that up until now they didn’t. My current commute to work is 25 miles door to door. If I could charge at work I would actually consider an EV. That said I would personally still prefer an EV with a longer range. Something with a realistic 200 mile range seems sensible, to enable again either stopping at a destination and charging, when going on holiday, or on a really long trip stopping part way for that inevitable comfort break, with maybe a stop for a cuppa, quick meal and a stretch of the legs, before continuing. If your general day to day commuters are charging at home and work, then when we are going on a long trip getting access to a rapid charge point for 40 or so minutes would be easier. And the transfer to an EV would be far more enticing.

For day to day use destination chargers make a lot of sense at places like work, big retail parks etc. it takes the stress off the rapid charge network, for those on longer journeys, who need to charge more rapidly. Add more destination chargers, the low range supermini EV’s start to make the sense that up until now they didn’t. My current commute to work is 25 miles door to door. If I could charge at work I would actually consider an EV. That said I would personally still prefer an EV with a longer range. Something with a realistic 200 mile range seems sensible, to enable again either stopping at a destination and charging, when going on holiday, or on a really long trip stopping part way for that inevitable comfort break, with maybe a stop for a cuppa, quick meal and a stretch of the legs, before continuing. If your general day to day commuters are charging at home and work, then when we are going on a long trip getting access to a rapid charge point for 40 or so minutes would be easier. And the transfer to an EV would be far more enticing.

The 75p Kwh fast charge cost negates the efficiency saving draw for EV's + inconvenience = slow adoption. Destination charging, is a great idea in theory but whilst EV demand remains luke warm there remains little incentive from the pvt sector to build the infrastructure. It's telling that neither labour or the tories has this topic high on their agenda 🤔

Totally agree, lots of parking lots with destination chargers, they don't need to be more than 11 kW plenty of power to get it filled up in a few hours at work or at the hotels, for Malls a 50 kW will be sufficient, this way you can charge an hour while shopping

For starters, EVs should have easily swappable batteries, but a majority don't, the industry really tripped over and shot both their feet on that one.

I also have thought it to be the key to mass ev adoption. Unfortunately there is currently no incentive for it to happen. An example being I work at a large distribution centre for a national supermarket, who has just switched off all their store carpark chargers, and despite an number of years ago making it mandatory for all senior manager's company cars to be electric not one charger has been installed. In a carpark with approximately 150+ cars changing 3 times day (8 hourly shifts 24/7) I am still only one of a handful of EV drivers and that's including the management. No end of work colleagues who talk to me about my EV, after I've told them the battery will last more than 3 years and it won't spontaneously combust, say they would not have one because they have no where to charge at home and believe that they would have to rely on expensive rapid charges with the inconvenience of having to wait.

1000% agree. We are lucky in Pembrokeshire. Towns have destination chargers in most National Park carparks.

APPLAUSE!!! APPLAUSE!!! APPLAUSE!!! Destination chargers where you work, play and shop would/could/should speed up EV adoption. Parking meters, telephone poles, bollards and light posts that can do double duty. Fast charging stations will still be needed, but destination charging is the "fastest" way to EV adoption.

Ha ha

Better yet: why not just install 220v outlets at EVERY parking space and let drivers use their own mobile charging cables…parking lots, apartment buildings. It’s cheap, and easy to monitor usage if the facility wants to monetize charging.

I'm planning to go to York this weekend. Zapmap shows the park and ride at Poppleton has super rapid chargers just next door, that's great but I want to pull up and get on a bus for the park and ride leaving the car on charge for a few hours instead of waiting to rapid charge it in 40 minutes.

Our local destination chargers cost 58p per kwh. I charge up at 7.5p per kwh at home. On holiday last week in Rutland I charged up at 85p per kwh. Tesla superchargers on the way home were 42p per kwh! So rapid chargers are cheaper. We definitely need more destination chargers but they have to be linked to your home energy tarrif or be cheaper than standard rate energy tarrif or else the ev revolution is only coming to those of us with a drive and those of us who buy super long range evs!

I can't charge at home, and I only use destination chargers most of the time when visiting a city or going to the beach.

🤔imagine if National Grid (or utility companies combined) installed such charges and you used a charge card linked to your household bill 🤔

Summary of efficiency gains: 50% of the gain - Always plug-in, specially at home with cheap electricity! 45% of the gain - If you drive less than 30 miles per day, turn EV-only mode on and fully use the battery. On the other hand, if you have a longer journey ahead, turn on hybrid-mode. 5% of the gain - be paranoid switching EV-mode on and off as you move back and forth from city/congestion to highway

I have a 22kw charge I installed at work, even though my car actually only charges at 11kw AC... future proofing.. I use it once a week usually. After one year of ownership I've used a rapid charger on 2 long trips from Southport to Southampton.

This is totally true and something France is getting right. For instance there is now an average of one charger per kilometre of street in Paris with that number set to double in the coming few years... And now just about every village has it's (slow) charging point

Totally agree. Place those on the football stadion, at the GYM when you work out. When your going to tennis, hockey, Yoga, the dog training school, or the mall, what ever. There is electricity at every street corner, shed or lamppost, use it.

If you can do this it makes sense but how about trips of 300 miles plus in a day ? I drove across the UK to the channel tunnel then across Normandy 10 hours and 554 miles. Diesel did it easily with one fuel stop just to top up tank and although the French services and charging network is far ahead of the UK I would have had to stop 4 times to charge my 2022 ev adding 2.5 hours to the journey (if chargers weren't busy). Diesel was about £90 and ev would have been £80 ish. My petrol car would be £70 in petrol as it is a modern engine (vw 1.5 2019 plate). People do not want used electric cars because the battery will drop range with aging and charging. Why do manufacturers state battery warranty 8 years and 70% capacity ? They know batteries will wear out so even if you are lucky and loose 10% range on a 230 mile range car you will now have 207 miles and this is the summer range. Winter would be about 170 dropping to 153 miles. Batteries need to be cheaper to replace but manufacturers know they can make a fortune replacing battery packs and what choice do you have ?

Back in the day when I was in work and responsible for amongst other things car parking we encouraged the local neighbours to our University to rent their drives for parking - it was successful - so we need to look at the entrepreneurs out there to develop a web site to link those who want to allow people to top up on their drives and on their electric... win win bit of income for the home owners and a convenience for the resident ?

They`ve already failed, people have woken up to the governments bull shittery. Traded our Hyundai ev for another Focus st tdci....best thing i`v done.

We have just been up to Swaledale a desert for charging. 4 slow chargers in Masham, 2 more in Richmond and that is it. How strange there are not more destination charging. I do laugh when ICE people say it only takes 5 mins to fill up. When it is never less than 10mins, with paying etc, and over a year that adds up. Compared to getting in the car each day that is already charged.

I worked on a HMRC and Dept of transport site that initially wrote into Their business plan to encourage E.V use but as soon as we used the 2 supplied chargers in the car park we were banned as it was seen as a benefit in kind under tax rules now the chargers sit idol😢