Renault Zoe ZE50 road trip to Gol

[@mishomaisuradze8205]

19:45 there was damage done to the wipers rubber while it was rubbing against the ice one the windshield

[@joTHEgreen]

Totally agree. Why he didn`t stop and clean the ice from windshield? Shiiiiiit :D

[@TheKimandKai]

My thoughts exactly. Using the wipers while there is ice on the windshield wears them out much faster.

[@mishomaisuradze8205]

@@TheKimandKai yeah, needs a new set of wipers

[@josephj6521]

Misho Maisuradze true... he should not have used the wipers until the ice cleared (he needed to pull over)... ice should not have built up in the first place.

[@bjornnyland]

The wipers were already bad on the way from Ski to Oslo...

[@dehitzi8695]

9:28 Ich liebe die deutschen Ausbrüche 👍🏻 Auch sind seine Test immer wieder ein High-Light.

[@wermagst]

Ice rain is the most dangerous road condition, wise decision to bail out.

[@JWM-Meijer]

Björn, I am working on it :-) Looks like we will get CanZE working on the 50.

[@bjornnyland]

Awesome :)

[@Woodyjims-shack]

Best ev channel on the tube. Shows it as it is 👍

[@RonsonDenmark]

"frozen ice", also known as "ice"

[@JohnDoe-vx3z]

He means freezing rain (underkjølt regn). Or "Blitzeis" as germans say.

[@bjornnyland]

It was a brainfart from me. I meant to say "frozen rain" as I have already said several times in the video.

[@RonsonDenmark]

@@bjornnyland :)

[@dave20thmay]

@@JohnDoe-vx3z In the 60's when we used to get it, we called it Frizzle in the UK.

[@christianbehier2221]

Pre-heating or Pre-conditioning is on the card key - just press on demand.

[@bjornnyland]

Not on ZE50

[@coolfrost6]

I3 also gets condensation in the front camera. Which disables cruise control.

[@marcel151]

The e-tron gets 22kW in the mid of 2020. There is a supplier who currently got problems with the second AC-charger for 22kW charging.

[@TheBeggFamily]

I hope my Middlesbrough to Southampton trips don’t take that long!

[@kjh789az]

Thanks for risking your life (again!) for us on these icy roads. Always back out if it gets to slick. The ZE50 only has CCS DC charging as a pay-for option. Costs about 750 euros, which is not good sheeet. I have the 40 kw second generation model and the pre-conditioning (ie heating or cooling) is a great feature. Looking forward to the 1000km challenge!

[@bjornnyland]

*40 kWh

[@PeterBirett]

I use to pre-heat at the charger to the max temperature the e-car allows because the better the mass-material is warm, the less energy I need to keep the car warm while driving.

[@bjornnyland]

I've been using that trick since 2013.

[@Gazer75]

@19:40 wipers got damaged by the ice earlier or they are simply very dirty.

[@joopvanroy6599]

7:45 is the reason for the bad wipers

[@bjornnyland]

Nope. The wipers were already bad from the trip from Ski to Oslo.

[@ReapingMiner]

I have the exact same problem with my zoe ze40. Just bad stock wipers i guess.

[@ReapingMiner]

Hey @bjørn Nyland i've heard the CanZE developer is actually working on ZE50 support and it seems promising.

[@jayubhanushali]

Bjorn can talk to himself alloe for 24 hours even if he is single person on an island

[@adammuc]

Smart EQ has also 22kw onboard charger... So go for it for 1000km! :D

[@JohnDoe-vx3z]

That will be a weekend trip.

[@KarlJohansen]

But available only in selected countries with the 22 kW onboard charger, right? Not available in Norway if I am correct.

[@adammuc]

Karl Johansen Nop, it’s available in Norway: www.smart.com/no/no/kjoer-elektrisk/lade#8

[@y_y_zed]

That's weather and google streetview inclusion is incredibly useful and should be a gimme for Tesla. Really hope something like that gets included.

[@kkitzhaber]

Thanks for sharing. Looks just like Wisconsin and Minnesota.

[@enricio]

Nice video. Renault slowly deals with their issues on Zoë. Maybe the next model is spot-on!

[@XENONEZZ2]

Another great and useful video... really enjoy them..Thank you...!!.

[@adammuc]

Im not sure what happened with the wiper!?!? :o :D You was killed them while using on the frozen windscreen! ;)

[@bjornnyland]

Nope. It was already bad on my way from Ski to Oslo...

[@adammuc]

Bjørn Nyland never mind... 😂👍 We are waiting for your 1000km challenge with a Smart EQ! 😉

[@DimaStohr]

Start to freak out when hear that you do the 1000 km with the Zoe!

[@MrMoonX]

Looks like they haven’t fixed the problems with the old zoe re. Charging sensitivity. Also hope they changed the heating system as that’s a weak spot too! I mean not being able to simply run the heater whilst charging is a joke!

[@MrMoonX]

@@Koda14 my 22kwh Zoe has been in the dealer for 12 weeks as they cant seem to work out how to fix the heating, which doesnt work!

[@MrMoonX]

@@Koda14 yeah have a complaint in with HQ. They have replaced, gas, piping and compressor so far, gave it backed "fixed" last week, within 2 days heating not working again. Now saying it had too much gas in it, and they are working on it, but I dont know what to believe. Renault just cant seem to fix the Zoe in reasonable time thats for sure. The new one will have the same faults over time too, as same system

[@TheExegetic]

Honestly, I've seen at total of 7 EV's being towed by Viking in Vestfold. Of those 7, 6 were Zoe's and 1 Tesla. ZOE's also seem to have one missing headlight frequently. Just what I've seen around so far.

[@Gustavmonster]

Can you test the new Opel Corsa Electric with 100 kw CCS Charger!!!

[@bryanm.4869]

Peugeot/opel is having a lot of problems

[@Gustavmonster]

Bryan M. What Kind of Problems do they have?

[@Ultravore]

Geilo is back! My favorite place in norway.

[@marekmaleika5683]

W Polsce też Cię oglądają, mógłbyś zrobić jeszcze jeden test z ZOE. Regards from Poland.

[@primalscream2576]

One of the best electric car now @ 14,000 euro without the battery. Prop is 80 to 90 kmph top cruise speed, well thats a prob. Great review video.

[@ylette]

Good morning, Bjørn.

[@HenningStepputtis]

Smart EQ has an option to spec it with 22KW AC Charger. So Zoe is not the only one.

[@KarlJohansen]

Too bad they say they won't deliver it with the 22 kW in all countries sold.

[@volvofreak86]

I drove to norway during christmas in my volvo XC70 D5, and i encountered chilled rain 3 times but i had no issues thawing it but the trip itself was 10-11 hours

[@erichaddad1419]

@Bjorn. You should know that model s has optional 22kw dual chargers. 80a 240v. I’m sure millennium falcon had it 👌

[@bjornnyland]

Of course I know. But I was talking about *new* cars nowadays.

[@alpertekniker6073]

Is this Zoe with R135 motor?

[@TRbilal94]

9:15 I had the same problem with my Zoe on an Ionity charger last week. I never had a problem with other chargers. What can be the problem?

[@ivancajka732]

Smart EQ also charges at 22kw ac The internal charger is probably the same as Zoe

[@kris10qify]

19:40 Ihave the same issue with my ZE40 as well. I check and clean the wipers regularly, but for some reason, the wipers get dirty on that spot all the time. I don't know if there is a fault on Zoe models where the "squirter" does not cover that exact area. Very annoying!

[@didi156]

I recently was on a long trip with a ZE40 and had the same issue too.

[@FieryToast1]

19:35 my mum and dad's ZE40 does that. The wipers are just not great on the ZOE I think, when it comes to cleaning the windscreen anyway.

[@FabianYoutub]

There's this rule: "Listen to experienced people" "I listen to myself" 😂

[@IvanZupancic]

Could it be possible to add maybe a noise meter inside the cabin. Stuff for everyday life. Maybe paint a picture how it is like to live with the car

[@Mariini]

Well you were driving ~77km/h if your speedo was at 80km/h. Put 88km/h at cruise. 😉 e: How warm is Zoe, does it have good air distribution? (Windshield, side windows...?)

[@JanBrunner28]

Please make a road trip of the new Opel corsa-e / Peugeot e208

[@andreeholstein7327]

When will you get your hands on the new VW eUp?

[@jankristiansen7042]

Du er kul Bjørn 👍.

[@conceptt]

Instead of doing homework, I'm watching Bjorn

[@colinoverton790]

My ICE car has a heated windscreen. I'm surprised that a new "safe" EV car with all modern bells and whistles doesn't have this in Norway. My car is 10 years old and a Skoda!

[@bjornnyland]

It depends on brand. e-Golf from 2015 also has heated windscreen.

[@geoffmansfield2668]

My 12 year old mini has heated front screen.

[@arenjay3278]

The new Ioniq vs the Chevy Bolt or Ampera E would be a great test.

[@Sticowater]

It would be interesting if you checked what the real speed was according to the speedometer

[@bjornnyland]

That was the first thing I checked. 80 km/h on speedometer = 75 km/h real speed. I did speed up to 85 km/h on the speedometer on my way to Oslo.

[@CoolSilver]

Sucks weather caused you to bail. That pavement is glazed over with a ton of ice. Good choice

[@CutterSlade001]

Bjorn, I'm pretty sure the heatpump switches of near 0°C because the outside evaporator would freeze over. At least that's how it works in my company's fleet of electric cars.

[@CutterSlade001]

@@Id3fornow... It uses it's resistive heater like a hair dryer.

[@CutterSlade001]

@@Id3fornow... It's Physics, can't build a heatpump in 2050 without that problem. The condenser gets colder than the outside air to transfer it's energy to the inside air. So the outside air condenses at it's surface. If you leave it running like that at low outside air temps the moisture from the air starts freezing on it's surface. Because the condenser consists of fragile aluminium sheet metal the growing ice would destroy it quickly.

[@AlexJPetrov]

01:11 What happened there with the headlights?

[@AlexJPetrov]

​@@vnsolbk I don't think it's from the camera. If you look closely you can see that they turn off and on again and there are light reflections on the surroundings.

[@HansEuski]

Great video. Thanks!

[@captainv3756]

Hi Bjorn, Thank you for making such good content! Can you help me with understanding why my Jaguar I-pace is continuously showing a range of 325 km although fully charged? Is this due to the winter, or something is wrong? Thank you very much!

[@robsmith1a]

No adaptive cruise is an oversight. I use the speed limiter at times in my Zoe. How do the headlights compare with the old model?

[@josteinfarmen]

3:54 a BMW USING TURN SIGNALS? Unheard of.

[@MacBaerFFM]

Nice 2nd editione Zoe...however, whoever ordered the car forgot to tick "CCS port" on the option list...or was it just that the DC chargers have been all occupied?

[@maerklin29800]

How can the windscreen beginn to ice WHILE driving? Was the air conditioning even on? Because I cant imagine the windscreen of my zoe beginn to ice while driving.

[@arenjay3278]

Speed limit is the best way to see all the EV's on the road.

[@TheNick70nick]

Is the OBD not anymore in the center console ?

[@taztaz79]

The new Zoe (ZE50) should now be able to keep heater on during charging. Maybe you can test that in next video? No need anymore to pre-heat crap... Please test it.. :D

[@bjornnyland]

Watch 1000 km challenge.

[@taztaz79]

@@bjornnyland Will do that now... :D :D

[@SkywalkerPaul]

Smart EQ has 22kw charger too.

[@noradtux]

The ZE50 has a completely different protocol on the can bus. We will need new tools (working on it :) )

[@ronaldraygun3386]

I was just about to buy that same OBD scanner (MX+ something) for my Renault Zoe50... any update whether it works now? Was the issue the OBD-reader hardware unit itself, or the application that you used? Which one was lacking the "Zoe-support"?

[@abcxyzsven]

Are you going to test the Opel Corsa-e as well? Would love to see a test when this Car comes out because I am thinking about getting one

[@abcxyzsven]

@@marcusbiller867 Actually I am not the one who wants to buy, it is my mom. Her husband is working for Opel so we would get a good price and I don't think they care about Tesla tbh.

[@abcxyzsven]

@@marcusbiller867 Furthermore getting a Tesla would be about 15000€ more because getting a Tesla without autopilot is impossible ;)

[@henne2k]

There are Corsa e offers here in Germany for 20000€

[@ovi9610]

@@henne2k lucky people in a serious Country

[@abcxyzsven]

@@marcusbiller867 Wenn wird das Auto eh nur leasen und da hat man als Mitarbeiter für um die 300€ einen Corsa-e mit etwas Ausstattung, Versicherung und keine Anzahlung. Den gegenüber wäre der Tesla schon teurer. Der kostet ohne Versicherung als Basispreis pro Monat 492€ . Außerdem weiß ich nicht ob ich es falsch verstehe, aber im Tesla-Konfigurator kostet der Autopilot 6300€. Damit wäre man dann mtl. bei 562€ ohne Versicherung also fast dem doppelten im Endeffekt. Das ganze ist eh noch Zukunftsmusik meine Mutter hat jetzt erstmal für einen Leasingzyklus ( 11 Monate ) den normalen Corsa. Edit: Man hätte sogar noch die Leasingsonderzahlung von ~4500€ bei Tesla.

[@detanneliese2081]

What i'm really interested in to get to know: what has been your impression of the new Renault Zoe when it comes to driving performance in general, for example, when you have winter conditions like in the video. Does it perform well on snowy/icy roads? Any noticable rise in traction problems? Or do you think it is safe to drive, or should you be more careful? 🤔

[@ACPilot]

Björn, can you do a review of the Easee Home 22kW charger made by Stavanger company Easee, also sold through Tibber? From Tibber there is a box called Tibber Pulse, it will monitor your house electrical consumption, when it is low eg. when you’re sleeping, it will adjust your charging kW from the Easee charger for maximum charging.. pretty cool, but does it really work?

[@dos585]

DEAKTIVATE Use ISOTP than After 3 manual reconnects ist will work. CanZE is extremly bulky now.

[@nickdegroot2445]

Why didn't you put the heater warmer or defroster on when the ice started to build up? Or doesn't it help?

[@bjornnyland]

7:50

[@nickdegroot2445]

Bjørn Nyland yes I heard. You said a little bit, I assume to save energy? Full defroster would clear the windshield right?

[@kjelllindberg6987]

It has some stupid flaws that any potential buyer should know about. And the biggest stupidity is that it could be fixed with firmware, but Renault just does not care. If you live in a warm climate (never below 7 degrees C) these complaints/issues do not apply to you. When it is cold, you can not control the traction battery heating. So if being on a journey when it is below -5C your maximum charging speed is 7kW even at 20% SoC. To get full charging speed the traction battery needs to be above +7C. The heating of the cabin can not be controlled during charging. A workaround exists, heating can be turned on thru the app. But the temperature will still be drop to about 10C if it is below -10C outside. The heating/cooling thru the app is limited to 10min, no matter what, but it can be repeated every 10min manually... So it is not sufficient in low temperatures as it will not heat up the cabin or the traction battery enough when it is below +5C in 10min. The supplied single-phase 230V cable is strict 10A only and has no adjustments neither in the charging cable nor in the car settings, it is always maximum charge speed and always to 100% SoC.

[@kumarraj2012]

Fog, frozen rain, snow, storm, shitty weather but EVs exists and thrive in Norway. People in my country are still not convinced that EVs work just as good and even better than the ICEVs..!!

[@samuelfrey9118]

Does someone know if it is possible to rent a Tesla Model 3 in Bergen and return it in Oslo? I so far only found offers with pick up and return in Oslo...

[@michelroerdink6507]

Hey Bjørn. I am so fonfused! @ 20:15 The display says 16.2 kWh and you say that this is the same as 162 Wh. That doesn't make sense to me at all. I've heard you say this lots of times but 16.2 kWh is 16.200 Watts per hour! How can that be 162 Watts per hour?!! Please tell what I am not getting about this. Greetings from Holland.

[@Tobisss123]

That's because 16.2 kWh/100km and 162 Wh/1km (16.200/100). :)

[@allandeverything]

Michel Roerdink 16.2 kWh is the consumption for 100 km. But we tend to compare EVs on consumption per km, which in this case would be 162 Wh.

[@michelroerdink6507]

Thanks Johan. I didn't know that. Now it makes sense. I listened to that bit again and he says Wh per kilometer. So I could have known it myself....

[@edwyncorteen1527]

You need Yaktrax for your shoes in that weather!

[@petrbrok2468]

In OBD settings the Car option should be ZOE R90/110 not Q210. Did you try it out?

[@bjornnyland]

CanZE doesn't support ZE50.

[@dalel3608]

*defrost doesn't reach the wiper blades at rest* .. Well that sucks.

[@renatonovak9688]

Are these ZOEs reliable? How is the battery degradation?

[@venataciamoon2789]

Sorry to say but the amount of adverts are getting really annoying lately.

[@AmauryJacquot]

"I was driving at 80km/h on the speedometer.... and everybody was passing me"

[@AmauryJacquot]

@@quadcopter perfect location for a speed trap then ;-)

[@skog77]

@Advocatus Diaboli I drive there a lot, it's so stupid. No idea why the speed limit is reduced. There's a truck weigh station there, and a huge rail tunnel project as well, but i don't think 10k lower should matter. It feels like a 100 road.

[@skog77]

@Advocatus Diaboli They even have digital signage there so they can change the speed how they want. Say 80 in the snow or whatever, 100 on a dry day.

[@bjornnyland]

You guys didn't see the obvious. I was not driving like a typical Tesla driver for once ;)

[@sakariaskarlsson634]

One summer night i was doing 170 on the highway, and there was still a few cars passing me lol

[@euruproktos1278]

Check electric system: 12v battery is low; battery now in standby mode: the entertainment system will likely shut down soon, low 12v battery. This is probably because of the demand on the 12v system during and likely before your trip. Looking forward for the 1000km challenge! :)

[@MrMoonX]

or just the same old shoddy renault faults the old car had

[@kingkoolkata]

I guess the new Zoe will need 12:30+ hours🤔

[@josephj6521]

These videos make Tesla look very good. Another failure by Renault-Nissan (no wonder the now ex CEO Carlos is in trouble). Thank you for the real life test.

[@Christer885]

👍

[@TriviaChallenge]

Zoe's charging and electrics are buggy as hell, we had one 3 years. Handshake, cutting out on motorway. Never again.

[@k_b7341]

Bjørn, thank you for this ZOE video! I can live with your scruffy English because I know you’re Thai, your German and your Norwegian is much better :-) But please have in mind: eating and eating noises on camera makes your viewers feel really uncomfortable - so does the scratching through your hair... Otherwise please keep up making your interesting videos 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

[@bjornnyland]

*you're Thai...

[@muche6321]

I guess you are not a fan of ASMR or mukbang type streams, which is fine. One just has to be careful not to generalize their own reaction to other people too much.

[@k_b7341]

Mu Che, I actually don’t know what ASMR or mukbang stand for 🤔

[@muche6321]

@@k_b7341 ASMR (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonomous_sensory_meridian_response) is tingling physical sensation, which can be triggered by various stimuli, for example whispering, repetitive sounds made during a mundane task (e.g. cooking, eating). An ASMR streamer wound incorporate such stimuli to induce the sensation within the viewers. Mukbang (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mukbang) is a stream in which the streamer eats food.

[@BoomChockolaca]

Eating ASMR is the second best part of this channel!

[@markfifty7]

Welcome to ZOE charging in cold weather.....a common fault

[@mazterarius]

Modern day programming: Show "Vennligst vent" instead of an error message or tips for fixing, or even explaining WHY something was wrong.

[@SustainableGal]

that is gonna wreck your wiper blades

[@jojowesti4616]

Der arme scheibenwischer😲

[@emausderratsuchende5447]

80 km/h....too dangerous on a Highway.....

[@bjornnyland]

Not with good tires.

[@guitonbleu]

The MG EV is actually made in China... Make your choice ;-)

[@elektrofahrer1944]

The ZOE is the "Ladezicke!" 😂😂😂 ever! 26,5KW average chargingspeed 😂👎 The French cannot build winter cars!

[@ovi9610]

And it is also possible the OBD port was programed in French. 😀

[@Tjita1]

No need to add the "winter" part..

[@geoffreythp]

I have the ZOe ZE50 and im glad that i didnt paid for the 50Kw and css ( 1000 euros ), completely useless for this type of cars...

[@GautierRouleau]

Renault is so late in the EV industry... They claim they were pioneers in the field (which is wrong btw) but the ZOE 50 is still lacking: - a liquid battery cooling system - adaptive cruise control - Lane Following Assist (it just has LKA) - 50 kW CCS as standard (not as a 1000 euros option) And if you manually turn on climate control while charging, then the charging stops (every other car on the market can support that). This car is disappointing in so many ways.

[@DMalek]

Such a shitty car

[@handlebar105]

Jesus Christ

[@lotharmeyer5189]

After watching this video, I finally have enough of these electric cars. I also think that natural gas cars are better for the environment. And moreover, it is much more reliable and faster to load.

[@rzvqvb]

CNG cars can be ok for the environment if you fuel it with 100% Biogas. The problem with that is, how much of of the crops are you willing to use for fuel instead of food.

[@lotharmeyer5189]

@@prerunnerwannabe I didn't mean liquid gas, but compressed natural gas. (CNG, 200 bar) The losses after refueling are minimal here. If you have a gas connection at home, you can even install a small compressor in the garage at home. Audi and other companies have developed a process where excess electricity, such as Wind power is converted into hydrogen and then into methane. This methane is fed into the natural gas network and can then be refueled in the car as required.

[@Bin216]

Lothar Meyer each time you convert energy to a new form you lose some. None of those conversions is 100% energy efficient, so the fewer conversions the better (I do realise it is excess renewable energy which is being fed in which would otherwise to to waste).

[@lotharmeyer5189]

@@Bin216 That is why superfluous electricity is converted to methane. It's always a thing with efficiency. A solar module also uses only 20% of the sun's radiation. Or another example. A total of maybe 0.01% of the radiation from the sun arrives on Earth at all. And how much of this radiation on Earth is used by us? Not even 1%. Not even 1 per mille. And the potential for producing methane from solar power is huge.

[@orwellchu]

​@@prerunnerwannabe CNG tank must be replaced every 10 years. I don't think that modern cars will last more than 20 years before scrapping them. So that is one change for the tanks and I doubt you are still going to be the owner of the car at that time. Usually 2nd or 3rd owner has to deal with it, for once. CNG/LPG stations are reliable more than charging stations for EV for sure and even if not, you still have some petrol to drive to another fuel station. Currently the most environment friendly cars are tri-fuel HEV/PHEV with ICE burning cheaper and enviro-friendlier gas with EV part of the system running 80% of the time in the city-urban area.

[@wideboy38]

we need your fast charging infrastructure in the UK. Its Tesla or nothing here at the moment pretty much (ssshheeeeeet)

[@PeterBirett]

Matthew Harker are you able to recommend a EV-car-rental in UK (Tesla Model 3, Kona, Leaf 2 are suitable) Need to compare the long journey from Munich to Dover versus going by train to London (or any other southern coast town) and start from there a 4 weeks roundtrip.

[@wideboy38]

@@PeterBirett evrent.co.uk is the main one as the "normal car rental companies " don't have them in stock yet . It's about £320 a week for a Model 3