Tommy End: Oral Sessions with Renee Paquette

Just two weeks after debuting his new “Dark Father” persona, Aleister Black was released from WWE. Now, Tommy End, the man behind the ominous character, is speaking about the days leading up to his release, creative control or lack thereof, his unrelenting positivity at the end of a stop-and-start WWE career, and, of course, where we might see him next.
#ReneePaquette #TommyEnd #AleisterBlack
Oral Sessions #048
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[@JD-zt9bd]

The fact that Aleistar/Tommy didn’t throw a single person under the bus. Classy from him

[@ProjectDelta1]

He and Jon Moxley got the best thing out of the WWE. A wife.

[@mychaeljones7526]

Well he (Tommy End) met his wife before WWE.

[@JordanDragonAs]

No he met her during a event

[@Jay_theartist19]

Well spoken

[@l4stm4nttv14]

simp

[@generalbuttnaked5409]

@@l4stm4nttv14 sawft

[@TarndeepV]

that level of excitement when hes talking about future potential matches is something you cant fake, this man genuinely loves to wrestle

[@juliusjujusurratt9568]

The people that love to wrestle and don't really care about the entertainment part always gets screwed over

[@emman38]

Ok thanks for letting me know if you need anything you can help us know if you need anything else for him to do with it but I don't you know

[@mattclayton2687]

Tommy End can walk in to ANY company in the world, carry the world title and add huge amounts to that product. Wish him nothing but the best

[@SGgrayfox]

I think I'm more pissed off about this than he is. Tommy is pure gold and it was a huge mistake to let him go. We share so much in common but have never spoken a word to each other. Our love for the same types of music, movies, games, body art and pro wrestling, our struggles with depression and anxiety... it just makes me feel connected to him. And that's what it's all about. He's going to continue to do great things with or without the WWE. Nothing but love for this dude.

[@dylanbollinger6270]

Wwe is giving they’re rival companies some of they’re best overall talented wrestlers

[@insertgenericusernamehere2402]

The same kinda wrestlers that would get an 80 in 2k and roman would get a 90+🙄

[@payko5262]

The inevitable consequence of hoarding talent for the better part of a decade. They tried to kill the indie surge by buying up key talent and offering NXT as an alternative, but it didn't kill the surge. Now, *every* time they release talent it will get this reaction. Everyone on the main roster is so damn good that it makes no creative sense to cut them, so every cut they make will look like a bloodbath/be suspicious/unbelievable, etc. Proof of concept: how dramatically does WWE tv change if they cut Cesaro, Asuka, Shayna, Dijak, Shane Thorne, and Mustafa Ali? Versus, how does the rest of wrestling change by those 6 dropping into the free agency?

[@memesupreme4504]

Vince is trying to make aew go bankrupt.

[@ChickenLover-nm2ks]

@@memesupreme4504 fr😂😂😂...the Khan family rich asf tho

[@TvampBLV]

The fact that you used the wrong form of their twice is a funny af 😂

[@nikontruth4227]

This is probably the best interview I've seen hands down in forever. To hear Tommy speak his truth and his feelings and laying it out on the line with such respect for a disrespectful situation. What a stand up guy faced with such adversity. Much respect. Hope he finds something he is happy with cuz I feel he deserves it as far as his career goes. Head up buddy. And keep on going on. Thanx Renee

[@Hiraeth1992]

You must listen to his podcast with lilian Gracia

[@nickgreg78]

Its a template for all those misfortunate to believe the WWE dream... Thank you Tommy, everything will be fine now.

[@aewcciararae1848]

I agreed with this fr he been the most respectful wrestler that being released and being so positive about the situation.

[@IndigoUchiha26]

Renee got the interview before Jericho did 😂 all jokes aside tho, I've been a fan of tommy end long before he signed with WWE. I wish him nothing but the best. Any promotion would be lucky to have a talent like tommy end

[@salwanisteakhouse]

🤣🤣🤣 Jericho will pull somthin out of him tho

[@insertgenericusernamehere2402]

Would love to see him go to wxw

[@realityorfiction]

She beat him to Christian too lol I bet he loves that

[@ChickenLover-nm2ks]

@@insertgenericusernamehere2402 or xfw

[@Polar_Fighter]

@@realityorfiction of course he does, christian is his friend

[@rachelender6101]

Great interview with such a talented great guy I wish him nothing but the best and his beautiful wife to

[@christophermcclennen3931]

Tommy is such a amazing talent and WWE blew it on a legitimate challenger to Roman's throne.

[@Tcrror]

@@christophermcclennen3931 Roman's throne, ugh. The guy is garbage. Not talking about Tommy, btw.

[@Tcrror]

too*.

[@bigyin9045]

@@Tcrror how is reigns garbage, he's literally carrying wwe on his shoulders right now. His heel run has been incredible

[@keithyw]

it's funny re-watching this episode after Tommy's debut last night. you could see he was genuinely happy and the fans responded massively in turn. one of the best debuts that got me super excited in a very long time. it seemed pretty surreal and i was in disbelief. you don't get many moments like those these days. very happy for him.

[@theREALfearsKLOWNs]

When Renee asks Tom who he wants to have matches with, he might as well have said, "Well, I'd really like a run at AEW." 😂

[@Tcrror]

Who wouldn't? It's pretty much the happiest place on earth for a wrestler.

[@bkolo8198]

Idk he started with Sammy Callahan and Moose

[@west_side_smiley831]

@@Tcrror for now lol

[@RabidDogma]

@@bkolo8198 AEW *is* running with Impact, so I could see them allowing him to do matches between both companies.

[@michaeldaugherty2293]

@@RabidDogma Agreed. AEW opening the so-called forbidden door was a great idea for many companies to work together and bring up ratings and have dream matches that people never thought they would see. See to see that WWE didn't open it right after their handshake deals with a few indy companies a few years ago. They need to just stop trying to act as top dog and let the door open. They would be able to have unused talents be seen in other places as well talents that are used to be seen in other companies.

[@juliorodriguez6156]

*Everyone else* "OMG, I cant believe he got released." *Me* "Thank God he's gone, he can do SOOOO much better."

[@aadityasharma6855]

No, paul heyman was about to make him star with that dark father gimmick, and he can't get that push in any other brand, wrestling is not same as it was 20yrs ago

[@92SynysterShadows]

@@aadityasharma6855 thinking someone can't succeed outside of WWE is just stupid and ignorant. Plenty of examples i could give you of guys who were better after leaving, but who has that kind of time. Do some research before saying dumb things.

[@nagli3758]

@@92SynysterShadows Like Kenny Omega? He is much bigger star than WWE as a whole.

[@colleencross5195]

You are absolutely correct. They misused him like so many others. By letting him go, they did him and the fans (because Iike me, alot of other fans are waiting to see what great stuff he does next)a favor.

[@ArcienPlaysGames]

@@aadityasharma6855 I hope you don't think a wrestler can only be successful in WWE by that statement, because that's just ignorant as fuck.

[@puddingce]

Hearing the last few minutes of the interview, Tommy mentioning a lot of young AEW talent like Jungle Boy make me wanna crave that match. That being said he mentioned almost all the AEW roster 🤣

Made me wanna crave. Interesting.

[@-BigMike-]

I'm sure they'll have him falling around like a drunken sailor within a month.

[@randallwilfordweaver810]

AEW Bound

[@riasatfaruque2205]

He didn't mention Darby Allin, PAC

[@mr.sinister2029]

@@riasatfaruque2205 he fought pac already guy.

[@bradcarver8127]

Love when he says he’s like to wrestle in A..A...other places. See you at Daily’s Place bro.

[@GetoGourmet]

Word on heading to Jacksonville. Hopefully his wife too.

[@fiendlayer2475]

Already listened! Amazing interview, and thank you for sharing Tommy

[@nickgreg78]

This is an amazing interview because Tommy speaks for all those who have been let go in the past years. He expresses their feelings perfectly. This should get an award and Tommy deserves all the belts. The best is yet to come mate!

[@juliemoree3434]

He’s The best! insanely talented, humble, and turns things most people would be devastated over and turns it i into something positive!!

[@everett-tnredsfan]

My first time watching Renees channel. Got here by seeing this interview talked about on the wrestletalk channel. Just subscribed looks like I have found my next binge watch.

[@hteppersimmons]

Melee Tooo!!!!!

[@christophermcclennen3931]

Thank you again Renee for posting this. I'm a huge (Aliester Black)Tommy End fan and loved this podcast so much. 🤘🏻🤘🏻

[@richardkhatri1935]

I will always love this guy wherever he goes.

[@nikontruth4227]

That question Renee asked is the million dollar question that fans always joke and fear that when wrestlers go from NXT to the main roster that they are doomed. Sadly it's played out far more than it should. Great question though

[@AhmedMahmoud-sq7xg]

It's not a joke anymore

[@jeyDsixx18]

It’s pretty much carved in stone and accepted as not only fact but actual truth…hence Balors request to remain with nxt before originally being called up to the main roster.

[@Tcrror]

"played out" Lol? It's an indisputable fact.

[@distractdelude7121]

Great interview! All the best to him. I can't wait to see where he turns up.

[@downey2k16]

Thank the both of you for this💜💙

[@SkullSnax]

Tommy End has made a fan for life in me. Absolutely love his work from the first day I saw him in NXT. This interview shows how awesome his mindset is and he’s a great guy. I can’t wait to see what he does next. Don’t care where.

[@michaelrivero9668]

What a great interview 👏. Renee killing it like always! I wish Tommy End the best!

[@fhpunk77]

Great interview. I was so shocked and upset about Tommy’s release from WWE. Now, I’m so excited to see what his future holds. He’s going to be a mega star no matter where he goes. I personally hope he goes to AEW. He’d do great anywhere, but I would love to see him in AEW against all of the great talent there. So many dream matches he will now be able to have and he will now be able to have control over his creative and show everyone what WWE missed out on. On a side note, Renee, I love your podcast.

[@shaunmartinell5825]

Tommy should be Darby Allin’s tag partner against Men of the Year. And imagine Tommy with Darby and Sting?!?!?!?! WHAT A FACTION that would be.

[@sofiadrosos1308]

Great conversation. Tommy is awesome. I'm looking forward to seeing more from him.

[@MrEmpireBuilder0000]

Thank you for this lovely interview! and fresh off the boat as well! As an AEW fan.. of course, I know where I want mr End to go to. I just want to say... don't wait too long, sir. Life is very short as we have seen lately with Brodie Lee. He just dove into it crowd or no crowd straight into pandemic season. He killed it on TV every week. There were few people in the stands, but trust me, we were all very noisy at home seeing him debut. Then there's Lio Rush. At the ripe time when he just debuted in AEW, he suffers that injury. We never know what happens in life. It is so sudden like that. I know he'll have fun out there.... but... Please don't wait too long. :)

[@mikehart8372]

Thank you for amazing videos, amazing artists

[@GekkoStar]

Great guy, hope he lands somewhere and presents all his talented, creative ideas. Another great oral session, Renee!

[@andrew_to]

Loved this interview. Tommy End sounds like a great guy and I'm happy he's staying positive for the future. This will be a big lost for WWE. 💪

[@aryan0111]

I was really looking forward to see more of him. Hope he achieves greater success

[@victorarroyo5401]

He is going to absolutely thrive on AEW. I can't wait to see what he creates. And to listen his new theme song because I'm sure will be 🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@MrEmpireBuilder0000]

I saw his debut, of course! Man, excited to see all your future matches! Just like FTR... I say to you: Enjoy the buffet! :)

[@JUNKO____]

I appreciate that Tommy acknowledges the chaos that is (but not limited to) the other people in the world influencing his path. It really is a battle against chaos. The best person in the world can get dealt a heart ripper of an experience for no reason at all, but they still have to deal with it and move through it.

[@RealMexFoodShouldntGiveUDrrhea]

He’s such a well spoken man. And he has a clear vision of what he wants and how he wanted to present himself. WWE couldn’t live up to his vision, but now I can’t wait to see him somewhere else. Also, love that he gave JB and Hobbs props. Those guys are awesome.

[@bennyomega9153]

Great interview. Ultra talented guy. Good luck to him. Love to see him in AEW.

[@dabro2080]

Yes very good at explaining the situation, love that

[@Captdork71]

Thanks Renee for giving us a chance to get the insight of the man himself and how we got to the point how we no longer have Tommy End as Aleister Black in the WWE. Great interview

[@noelserrato6728]

Loved the whole interview, especially the end..."I feel there's a Renaissance coming...something is brewing"😌

[@Piscesstyle4040]

He definitely sounds like a great and humble human being. Im excited to see whats next for him...

[@Express-420]

love this channel so much by the way this channel deserves more subscribers

[@luckyguntausky]

much respects for Tommy End, not just as a wrestler, but as a human being, next level maturity

[@thomasmiller8364]

That was a great interview with tremendous insight. Tom is a brilliant and thoughtful man. Very conscious of everything surrounding the business. Refreshing. Might be my newest favorite. Hard not to like that guy.

[@saloumasaleck3697]

I love this boy already , you have all the right to feel well because every company is looking for someone like you

[@IndigoDetry]

so freakin excited for this one

[@Herkyismyhomeboy]

What a great interview. What a positive outlook and attitude to take as he begins the next chapter of his journey! I liked him before and I like him even more now!

[@TheJasonaut]

Good stuff, great timing! I really look forward to what he does in the future, think he's really talented. Side note, anyone listen to the podcast version of this? Holy cow there were there a lot of ads 😅. Its probably comparable to TalkIsJericho, but just ratcheted up for this ep. (whining over) :)

[@shannonmckay6644]

Great stuff Renee appreciate your hard work and great connections with the people you interview

[@Wrestlinghead1]

Excited for future

[@arungeorge1033]

Awesome interview. Love Tommy End!

[@trscsaeg]

Imagine black vs pac in a serious fued

[@feikelvin9677]

in another company maybe , AEW is anything but serious

[@michaelconrad6404]

Black WITH pac sounds ay better to me

[@starhunter9085]

*They fought during the UK tournament a few years ago.*

[@ninjanunch2769]

Were GNA get it just a matter of time either that or they will become a team

[@scottbreon9448]

Black vs. Archer would be an awesome feud too

[@247mrb]

I can't believe I didn't know about this channel!! I hit sub and thumbs up lets go

[@madmaxrockatansky]

Was so looking forward to the whole Dark Father gimmick, I hope some part of it can live on wherever Tommy ends up next!

[@casiokid325]

tremendous ep

[@80sToyBoy]

What a cool, interesting guy. He's got a great head on his shoulders, whatever he does next should be amazing.

[@FnRenner]

I'm watching this after Black debuted on Dynamite. I'd like to see this interview ran back in a years time with the same level of honesty.

[@beegnutzz]

I don’t really watch WWE anymore, but the more I hear stuff like the pitches that were rejected, the more I want to never see anything WWE related ever again. The company will never change and I need to move on. Completely. Really hope to see Tommy End in AEW. If they put him in a stable, he needs to be with either PAC, or Butcher & Blade..

[@RoyalRizzness]

It is true, WWE's last big pushes to make their vision of stars were Seth, Roman and Moxley. Since then NO ONE has gotten that treatment. Aleister Black, Buddy Murphy, Andrade and Ricochet SHOULD have gotten that treatment. These 4 guys are the future. But I guess Vince or whoever is suppose to view everyone on the roster didn't see those 4 as the stars. It honestly sounds like HHH knows how to run the business cuz NXT is always rocking with the talent that is being shown. It sucks when someone gets release because no one should ever be fired from any job. I really hope Tommy End has a great career ahead of him cuz I was so excited to see him no matter where he was. Whether AEW, NJPW, Impact or where ever I will be watching. Great interview, one of my top favorites Renee!!

[@jagutichsachma]

Youll never get into the top echolon in WWE without being able to talk. Two out of ur list were doa in those terms. All great wrestlers tho dont get ne wrong, im just explaining it from their pov. There is probably the very rare exception (Rey years back, he got better at this point) but that is barely worth talking about. But yea it's television insulting the IQ of the audience and everybody has to be liked by the audience of one. Surprise the 70+ year old guy is out of touch, has complete control and yes sayers around him and this is what you get.

[@g-coalitionbrother1729]

Aleister Black: Agreed full stop. Buddy Murphy: Admire his talent and his determination to keep relevant after Bliss dumped him, but the dude has a midcard ceiling. Andrade: Tough call. Dude has ability and a small sense of rebellious charisma, no surprise considering he co-founded Los Ingobernables, but when you fail to capitalize on that foundation and you take Zelina away from him, you see what happens. Ricochet: Someone talks for him pronto, he's a star. If not, dead on arrival.

[@NhBleker]

Wherever Tommy End ends up at, I'll be following him to see where he goes.

[@troydonfernandes9241]

really a fan of Tommy and his persona. I first watched him with his iconic entrance and his black mass still echoes in nxt. WISH HIM THE BEST In the future. You will be missed!!! but you write your future as u made a mark in our hearts

[@davidlitwinski5177]

Hey Renee great interview I love Alastair can’t wait to see where this leads next congrats on the podcast😊🤟🏻🙏

[@dabro2080]

This fella was a future world champion in WWE I'm shocked but the WWE is not the only show on the road. Keep going Tommy

[@dembirdscanfly]

What a great attitude. If what he says is true about his interactions with the leadership in WWE, why would you ever fire this guy? He sounds like the model employee.

[@johnnykame]

Because companies do as their shareholders say not their employees. And that’s our sad reality.

[@subrixonl814]

Such a profesional in every way, trying his absolute hardest just to try to make things happen. Really hope we get to see him one day back in the wwe but i hardly doubt it. Keep crushing it Tommy!! Great podcast btw! Doing a great job Renee!

[@tylertj110]

Man he was so great in nxt I'm going to miss his character some of the best matches I've ever seen.

[@adam_explosion]

Wow wow wooow best interview ❤❤🔥🔥

[@scottprice5978]

Welcome to All Elite Wrestling Tommy End!!! His debut on Dynamite was fantastic

[@dannyakrs]

This is awesome

[@davelanger]

Darby Allen vs Tommy End would be a great feud, especially how both of them do great with their own video packages.

[@HD-fc4ds]

Great oral session

[@DarylSpykerman]

@5:50 loved their replies & responses. @7:55 Edge called him!

[@jesterr7133]

He seems like a really cool guy. He also seems to know exactly why he was fired, so I guess we will eventually find out one day. I only hope that he lands somewhere good, because he has a hell of a lot of talent.

[@fahmm001]

I can’t wait to hear why, cause I’m sick of wrestling News channels and sites and articles speculating and click baiting and it’s nothing from actual person.

[@daevien]

Can't wait to see where he ends up next. Hoping for AEW (especially now that Andrade is there) but I think he'll make a splash no matter what company he ends up with

[@aewcciararae1848]

He only guy that haven’t talk crap and smack about wwe most people would bash wwe I love how respectful he was about wwe.

[@danlewis5977]

I don't care where he ends up wrestling as long as he is given the chance show how damn good he is

[@TheChiefSteve]

I like this Guys since WXW and now we can see him Wrestle again.

[@tommydeamon7657]

Be strong T keep on being you keep positive youll come out shining in the end

[@ellemarr7234]

How is this my first time on this channel? Subscribed!

[@johnkellum3152]

I for one apreciate tommy end as a wrestler i watch no matter where he goes.

[@FreddytheIV]

This man is the fucking man! Can’t wait to see his growth in the very near future.

[@BobbyRascal]

Such a humble guy. Major loss for WWE. Someone else major signing. You'll do good Tommy, no matter where you go. 💪🏻

[@forgottenoldies-non-superh2156]

A very knowledgeable young man. I hope he reaches his destiny.

[@Jacob-jg6cd]

Super talented and under appreciated. Hopefully he will flourish now that he isn’t in handcuff and key by WWE.

[@joshbell1335]

Watching this after his debut on AEW is just icing on the cake MALAKAI BLACK!!! This dude is awesome !

[@mrreddington777]

AEW has been a blessing man. Idc if people don’t like it or what but one thing you can’t deny, is that they give everyone tv time or try to. Tommy is going to take it to the next level with the storytelling.

[@kylecook9864]

WWE really dropped the ball big-time on this one. Wherever Tommy ends up I sure hope that Thea will show up with him.

[@nateputerbaugh5709]

Rumor is guys are pushing to get this reversed

[@Luminator_maior]

"Wherever Tommy ends up" - I see what you did there!

[@ChickenLover-nm2ks]

@@Luminator_maior hahaha😑

[@rawbarber9012]

@@nateputerbaugh5709 he isn't going to go back. Anybody with any common sense or self dignity wouldn't go back to a place that nearly ruined his career and played so many games. The WWE ship has sailed. Tommy is too smart and self respecting to accept whatever b.s. they'll spew to get him back if that is even allegedly true that they want him back. Wouldn't shock me if he has had conversations with Tony Kahn already about his future. This guy is the real deal and the WWE really dropped the ball.

[@BossManSays]

Who is Thea?

[@realartist_eric2365]

He's AWESOME

[@JJ-xo3er]

I really hope AEW has room for Tommy!!! Such an awesome look and move set!

[@joshuasandoval5571]

Mrs.Paquette just earned a new subscriber

[@tyreekmcfall7118]

Almost at 100k

[@heartbreakkid2]

Im going to follow Tommy end to the end

[@khaliddian5675]

Like many people said The team of tommy end sting and darby will be awesome

[@adsavage1276]

I really want Tommy End at Aew could you imagine him vs Jon Moxley, Darby Allin, and Andrade. Also I want him to run it back with Buddy Murphy

[@ellemarr7234]

I would start watching AEW again

[@ricophenomenal8831]

Buddy Murphy vs Tommy end again ❤️❤️❤️ YEAH

[@aryan0111]

Renee and her blinking spree ❤️

[@juliusjujusurratt9568]

I think her lashes was bugging her lmao 😂

[@TellurianMan]

Tommy End should be the Exalted Two of the Dark Order, clearly.

[@ClandestineSnowman]

They already have a leader, they don't need a new one

[@LimJayhey]

@@ClandestineSnowman who? Evil Uno? Silver? Hangman Page? There is no real leader rn.

[@DoozieDoodle]

@@LimJayhey I think -1 should become leader one day

[@Black_Bandito]

They don't need a leader

[@1AmSwapnil]

@@DoozieDoodle True

[@NoUseForAName06]

What an awesome dude.

[@michaelmirza1933]

Sheeeeeeeeeesh!! Renee always on the ball!

[@caciquenica2482]

Very professional the way he is handling it, he does not want a to burn any bridges which is good