Renegade Hardware: The Final Chapter - Clayton Hines & DJ INK In Discussion W/ Jordan Jarrett Bryan

[@dmitrydmitry716]

Clayton set up one of the greatest labels in drum'n'bass music and brought about absolutely new, fresh sound, music and artists. I grew up listening to the stuff he and his crew were putting out and I'm immensely thankful to him for this. Respect!

[@obsoleteelite8258]

Renegade Hardware should do a remaster series. I’d buy them all!

[@paulholland3976]

Respect to Clayton for telling it like it is. Been a huge fan of the label since I heard Flash Gordon, which is still one of my faves today. Shoutout to Ink (and Loxy) who always pushed boundaries.

[@ultrajayme]

I've been making dnb since 1996. I've never had a track released. I've sent music out and it's never been received. I spend countless hours on my break edits. Countless hours trying to get the bass and kick to sit right. Hours getting the vocals to sit right. Hours and hours picking apart the intro. Countless hours on every single aspect. Shelve it for a week, go back to it and it's shit. Rework it. Get it to sound good. Send it out to labels ...crickets. it's an unbelievably hard industry to break into. And it's my lifestyle and I wouldn't have it any other way. I'm 43 and this has been my life since I was 18. I've never had a single track get cut on a label. I won't stop. Nothing will stop me. I make the music and the sound I love and it comes from my heart and my energy and soul. Someday that right person will hear what I hear and want it on their label and I am forever optimistic. Ez

[@irradiatedalien]

what's your producer name?

[@dominict1981]

They forget they were “kids” once and what inspired them. Music changes so does what’s popular at the time. I have all trouble on vinyl and renegade hardware on vinyl from back in the day. Before the digital era things were different dub plate culture, rolling breaks, more sub heavy tunes influenced by reggae and rolling breaks. But drum and bass evolves like all music and it’s great to see otherwise the scene would get stagnant and die. There is definitely melody in a lot of today’s drum and bass. The spectrum from neuro funk which evolved from tech step to today’s modern liquid/electro style. You can’t stop progress and fashions change. Generally things go full circle though. Great interview even though Clayton sounds mad. But it’s great to hear two pioneers of the scene. Big up

[@markadams3503]

Unbelievable respect to Clayton and Ink and all the Hardware crew. Music from the 24th Century. Bless x

[@TheBASS2DARK187]

Sick interview. RIP hardware

[@albertrynkowski3599]

Clayton is a man! Love to hear from him always!

[@oskar_oskarewicz]

Great panel. It's so nice to hear interesting stories about and thoughts on label, scene and music

[@Dev_Entity]

was an interesting talk.thank you.

[@darkstranjah6099]

Renegade Hardware best label period sick nights to. I do wish they come back and bring back the basslines they spoke the truth

[@NextSound170]

Drum and Midrange that's why Dubstep had room to grow, it kept that Jungle essence and its a shame to say it but its the rush for cash. But its the scare of bass a lot of these can't take that raw sub that moves your chest. Big up to Calibre who still keeps the Dub basslines bubblin and even Dom & Roland

[@michaelcohen6272]

I only play renegade hardware for that uniqueness, best dnb label without a doubt 👌

[@lambd01d]

I went to the 2nd Hardware do at The End and a few other times. I also used to go to Ram and Lost. Had loads of great times in there and was very sad it shut down.

[@hammie9355]

So much truth spoken in this discussion

[@breakfreak3181]

Looking forward to the Hardware B2B special at Egg next week!

[@duncansmith6696]

I remember when Andy C dropped body rock for the first time at a Ram dance and it split the the dance.... personally wasn't a fan..but I think that was a turning point. Brown paper bag another example of evolution....and that's the beautiful thing about Drum...

[@ashadeofnight]

"its a drum and mid range thing now" wow, couldn't have put it better. Ink is so insightful and Clayton saying neuro has taken over from tech step and its shit. LOL hes naming and shaming Noisia!! LOL Skrillex too!!! Lovin it!!!! so much truth!! no quality control, digital labels putting out boring shit for next to no money.

[@ultrajayme]

200,000,000% agree. I can't fucking stand Noisia. ZERO vibe.

[@oskar_oskarewicz]

I don't think they're naming and shaming Noisia, or Skrillex. They just pointed out that new artists inspired by mentioned acts are not their cup of tea. Both Niosia and Skrillex are game changers within electronic music. You can like them, or not, that's a matter of your personal taste. But it's not fair to blame pivotal artists for the sins of their imitators. I agree with Renegade guys about "drum and mid range bass" thing, or with the fact a lot of modern neuro lacks funk and it became a sound desing wankfest, or something like hard/techy noisy jump up. I also got tired with a lot of dnb over last years, becuase scene was dominated club wise and festival wise with that sound - big room mid range dnb and neuro. At least in Europe, I am not from UK. But the truth is there are all kind of different styles and flavours within jungle and dnb all the time, you just need to look for it. When I started to listen to dnb aroiund 2000s it was dominated by late techstep/early neuro funk, Bad Company, Ed Rush and Optical, Renegade Hardware, and so on. And I rememebr a lot of older fans complaining that it is not the same music any more, that it's too techy, too industrial or too militant, that it lacked that UK black music element. From what I've read later on a lot of audienc moved on to UK garage scene, which made a lot of sense. Around 2005 in post Pendulum world again I stated to hear similar opinions. Dnb is not the same anymore:) Now we are talking about how things have changed and what we dislike about the current status of the genre What my point is I think it always has been this way. Each 5 up to 10 years, there is a generation change, and we have similar issues and debates about scene and music :) Cheers

[@Artersa]

Noisia released on Renegade lol.

[@reazallykhan]

Clayton is a mate of mine and I like to call him the Suge knight of jungle and drum and bass

[@albertrynkowski3599]

Ooh! Airlock!

[@duncansmith6696]

Renegade always had a crowd there for the dance and the vibe... toughest tunes ...not aggy... heavy system .☮️

[@outsource]

I think it's weak to quit the label because you're not feeling the music at the moment. I'm not feeling this modern DnB either but I always looked at Hardware as one of the go to labels to hear the real shit. A big let down to just drop a classic label like that.

[@deland68]

sorry to hurt your feelings mate....will you still live..??

[@wood_rat]

He quit because everyone cant stand him

[@raggadan1653]

@@deland68 renegade hardware was defo 1 my best labels by far . The sounds , samples everythingvwas just unbeleavable . I remember as a kid and when i started making dnb at home i allways wished i would come to your label lol . Best dream of my life .

[@duncansmith6696]

The End..." I used to sell drugs in there"...💯🤣....who didn't.... Renegade at the End was the beginning of my Rave days...what a night... filthiest. Tunes ..and the vibe and attitude was safe as fuck....bless Renegade. Talking about the location of the Boothe...I remember IC3 on the radio mic... trying to avoid me.....I asked him to give it the old " when I say Mampi...you say Swift"...looked at me turned his back ....bout 5 mins later dropped that and blew my brain straight up. ☮️☮️

[@rsouth454]

Well said , they nailed it . Its drum n mid-bass now 😂👌. Their soundscapes cd's were amazing , every record i bought was excellant , cutting edge stuff

[@yesgeorge333]

best label

[@ARKITECHDNB]

Didn't Clayton punch Kemal from konflict and force Messiah to be released on RH?

[@Lambdaphile]

They also had to abandon the name "Konflict" because of that later, shame really

[@raggadan1653]

The armageddon album hands down is the best renegade hardware album and the remix album

[@Anwargheddon]

bubblegum madness

[@CharlieT98]

I got hella respect for both Clayton and Ink, but I couldn't disagree more with them. I am 19 and am aware of Jungle/Drum & Bass' history, and there are a lot of people my age who vibe with the 'proper' underground tunes, though they may not be aware of the history. A lot of this just seemed like stereotyping and generation bashing. Maybe more young people would be interested in Drum & Bass if the headz were less patronizing perhaps? And there have been tonnes of anthems since 'Dub Phizix - Marka'; 'Calibre - Thoughtless', 'dBridge - Dead Peak', 'Skeptical - No Discipline', 'Vromm ft Rider Shafique - Level Up', 'Spirit - International', 'Marcus Intalex ft DRS - Mixed Bag'? This is more of a marketing issue in D&B than a problem with tune quality.

[@NextSound170]

Definitely better marketing its still on the old school way.

[@Dev_Entity]

DYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!

[@radical3072]

interesting chat

[@richardclegg6649]

😎😎

[@LEECODES]

Thanks for this mate, brilliant insight into the scene and label back then.

[@Nivag0508]

No no noooo. Producers also who have made the up most classics have given permission to remix tunes that should never really have been remixed. Thats half the problem. You open a floodgate and there you have it. Up most important thing is getting the vibe straight from the studio it's self. Hardware..never forget who you are and what you can bring to the table!

[@origamibulldoser1618]

Falling Skies - Land of the Lost should have been an anthem. That second drop is the most off the hook shit in _years_.

[@cognacbraun1]

Somehow, I don't quite buy the whole story about Konflict. Perhaps they're accurate about the backstory, but certain facts don't add up. The incident they're citing must have happened in early 2000, yet Kemal kept producing tunes until 2004. I doubt that it was 'a family member passing away that made him calm down with the production', because he left the scene only much later.

[@deland68]

who cares what you buy....#wasteman

[@wood_rat]

@@deland68 Fuck you bung eyes. Go get your head read and stop smoking that ganja, makes you paranoid on top of your depression you muppet

[@ARKITECHDNB]

Clayton literally punched kemal for keeping messiah from him.

[@duncansmith6696]

Who's Bukem.....????.😕

[@ultrajayme]

Fucking posers whoever doesn't know who Bukem is and claim to be a head. Can't fucking stand posers.

[@obiwanshinobi5098]

@@ultrajayme have they claimed to be a head? Maybe they just got into dnb. No need to wet your panties about it!!

[@darthcheeseburger]

Clayton's not wrong. The DNB today is actual dogshit compared to everything we got from 97-2001: The absolute golden era. The new sound is just that...sounds. There's no heart & soul in the new shit. I started referring to new jump-up as Cricketcore haha.

[@Dev_Entity]

ending on a hype.ok.can you do somethin new then?😅