Exploding Values of the Porsche 996 with Jake Raby of Flat 6 Innovations

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[@ccasche5088]

Excellent words- glad to be a part of the '99 996 family.

[@kickyadick]

Shivering now hearing Jake saying “only the silver and black ones explode”

[@billm.4644]

Jake is so right in this video. When I bought my car in 2014 I knew nothing about Porsche cars. Had the "usual" external PPI done. Bought the car and shortly after the water tank started leaking. Then the water pump failed. Coils(cracked) and plugs(some fouled because...see next sentence) required changing next. Luckily the IMSB did not bite me, but a few years later the engine succumbed to bore scoring. Jake and FSI fixed that for me. Listen to what this man says. He KNOWS!

[@spyoptions]

Drove both 996 and 997 today....it was a good day!

[@andrewking8336]

It’s worth noting that the ‘99 is important in the US as they are the first 996s. Here in Europe the very first 996s were ‘97 cars. Very rare and collectible.

[@sgttombailes3380]

Jake, I'm Loving this video!! As a matter of fact. You told me that very thing when you sold me my 996 4 years ago. I certainly do love mine. Thanks Marine !

[@computerhelpcc]

Jake, you’re awesome! Bought an early 99 manual cab 5 yrs ago from 2nd owner w top PPI from Porsche Omaha. Had LN IMS installed immediately. Was stunned at torque of 99 3.4 vs 00-02 and had resigned myself in advance that it was going to lack critical perception of torque lacking in 3.4 vs 3.6. Nope. Strong enough in Omaha and same in Denver CO. $12k purchase has been at least $12k in maintenance repairs (not tires, gas or insur) during first 3 years. Grumpy? No. Was warned. Exceeds Jag XKR 4.0, manual adds to thrill for 1st gear that Tip auto cannot, and despite ability to sell for great price, it’s a keeper. Drove perfect 2006 997.1 base manual and was astounded it was not better ( C&D mag said magic back but I could not discern over 1.5 hrs on known canyon curves). Waaay more $ to maintain than Jag and Lexus, yet so satisfying. Jakes advice re pan for bottom up bore score checkup is next. Current mechanic could not be bothered, so got a new mechanic!! This Yankee is very proud of your incredible contribution to German creation.

[@Spastblast]

Jake, first of all; thanks for the honest videos en numerous forum posts that helped me prepare for a future 997.1 purchase. I'm that guy you talk about, that wants to be a responsible buyer since he saved up enough for his 997.1 dream car (plus some overdue maintenance), but can't afford a disaster. In my country, buying from private sellers doesn't seem to be an option anymore. All private sellers with a 997 with a good service history and reasonable mileage sell their cars in a couple of hours. These cars are bought by companies that sell them for +10% a couple of days later. I've found a Porsche specialist nearby who can do the cilinder inspection through the sump and will cut open the oil filter. Hopefully I'll find 'my' car at a seller that's willing to participate, because my first experience was with a seller (company) that didn't want to go through all that 'trouble' (and would probably sell the car in a couple of days anyway). I was wondering if you have some additional advice for a PPI in a 'fast selling' market. The only thing I can think of is 'stick to the plan' and be patient :)

[@mgmoore2]

Great video Jake! I have a 6/98 built C2 in Paladio Metallic with full leather black interior. 108K miles and still runs like a champ. Never getting rid of it and this video helped reinforce that!

[@OYEAH168]

I knew my '99 M96 was going to blow up because it is silver. Also, I prefer not draining the oil prior to removing the sump plate...I like to keep things exciting and interesting.

[@DonziGT230]

I lucked into a '99 C2 manual for free. It had been disassembled for an IMS bearing replacement and the owner died. I installed a new IMS bearing despite the old one being perfect, as well as replacing the RMS and AOS. At first I thought the car was dumb, I couldn't understand why people like it. I was driving it very carefully and mellow, it wasn't fun. Then I started driving it more spiritedly, now I get it. Initially I was planning to assemble it and sell it, now I'm having second thoughts because it just runs and drives so magnificently.

[@RennvisionbyTheKnowledgeGruppe]

We're seeing more and more of the original dual row bearings fail. While your old bearing may seem "perfect", a 25 year old ball bearing will have more rolling resistance over a fresh bearing. Usually bearing failure goes quick without warning. Replacing them proactively is the best course of action. And, if you don't want to worry about it, purchase the plain bearing IMS Solution from LN Engineering.

[@rodanone4895]

2001 C4, 2003 C2 with LN 3.8, 2003 996 TT... also 986S. and I completely agree that the C2 in 99/98 are fantastic. i suffered score boring leading to the 3.8.... if you told me what it would cost before it was done... i may have backed out. but... after driving it. i forgot all about how it effected my retirement portfolio. but my 2003 is every bit as good as my C4 from 2001. and it's a base. in fact. everyone wants my C2... with a duck tail! lol also, i was told that the 996 interior was intedned for the 993 but Porsche couldn't afford it. i could have bought air cooled. i could have bought 997s, 991.... not interested. love the 996.

[@aneben7]

I bought your dream 996 a year ago, except it’s silver😎, totally a impulse buy. Track it, autocross, spirited drives in the mountains, Get the groceries with zero issues. I’ve done most of the preventative maintenance you talk about and just love driving and working on the car.

[@designingcouture]

I am not yet in the market for a 996, but am currently the proud owner of an ‘07 CS that has spent every one of ‘her’ 158K miles with me, and I am a happier person because of it! Jake, I appreciate your candor and “tough love”. Obviously, you care about people and their experience with these incredible machines. I know because, like you, my clients are my priority. I would love to be added to your list for the 996 Buyer’s Guide to start doing my homework, and I will be first in line for the 987 Buyer’s Guide!

[@FarseSpludeheim]

Awesome video. Letting my CPA watch it next. Thanks Jake! Top quality stuff.

[@captainquint25]

Very informative Jake, many thanks. I've had my 2001 996 Cab and have no plans of parting with it. Haven't tried Seafoam but on your strong recommendation I'm going to do that next. Thanks again.

[@24hourgmtchannel64]

I credit you sir and L&N for this. You both teamed up and resolved reliability issues which allowed prices to creep up. I picked up my 1999 C2 manual in 2015 for $11k because of all the negative 996 IMS, RMS news at the time. Because of you both I can now sell it for over double to which I would add a kidney to buy the air cooled 1970's - 80's coupe I always wanted.

[@williamcalia2465]

Very informative video. Happy motoring!

[@DGI82]

Bought a 01/98 built ‘99 for $8500 back in 2018. Solid car, did most of what was mentioned here then sold it locally. Bought it back a few weeks ago for $3k less than I sold it and now its here to stay! These cars can be great if what Jake suggests gets done with quality parts!

[@RennvisionbyTheKnowledgeGruppe]

Congrats Dimitrios. These cars are worth keeping!

[@dp8427]

I've got a Sep 98 build 99 manual C2 that's an ocean blue/grey interior and this video warms my heart, lol! Already did all the things Jake mentioned maintenance wise and it runs like a top 👍

[@RennvisionbyTheKnowledgeGruppe]

That is awesome!

[@stephenwood4268]

Had my 2002 10 years 140 k miles and still going strong keeping it for ever

[@RennvisionbyTheKnowledgeGruppe]

Sounds like your serious devoted to keeping it healthy! Good job.

[@danopureblood7066]

I’ve owned my 2001 996cab aero since 2002 and LOVE IT! Changed the IMS and the original was in perfect condition at 30k! Look forward to hearing what’s going on with their values although I’m not even thinking of selling it!

[@RennvisionbyTheKnowledgeGruppe]

Good to hear you're enjoying your 996, Dan. Look forward to seeing you at the premiere tonight!

[@jeffs4760]

Thank you Jake for the video! I am looking at a 01 911 and it would have to be delivered to me from 400 miles away. I know about the IMS and bore scoring but need to know the condition but my impulse is to get my first 911! I will do my due diligence!

[@dannoyes4493]

Great video. Thanks.

[@justinmckeown9029]

Great video! Absolutely love my speed yellow ‘99 C2 6-speed to bits. I’ll add more cars to the fleet inevitably, but this one’s a keeper.

[@danopureblood7066]

Over the last 20 yrs of ownership I’ve replaced the coolant reservoir twice! The first one was an aftermarket and it lasted a year! It now has an OEM and it’s been five yrs! The trick to replacing these is to drop the engine down a few inches! I’ve also had the Cab top hydraulic cylinders rebuilt after they the OEM started leaking at around 4 yrs old and they’re still working fine! The rear wing extender failed at around 15 yrs and I replaced it. I’ve replaced the dash lights lately but they still seem dim. The fuel pump failed at around 10yrs. Changed the filter and fluid in the Auto Trans at 15 yrs. The driver side window regulator failed last year and I replaced it. I’ve run Royal Purple 5w40 since 2002 and so far no problems! Your video reminds me it’s time to flush the brakes again! Thanks for the great video!

[@hectorfuji]

@@danopureblood7066 hey nice comment, you should repost it on the main comment section.

[@Jean-Paul_1984]

Thanks for this video. My 996 from 1998 is undergoing a revision due to bore scoring. This video at least gives me the feeling the car is worth spending >€10.000 on it :)

[@dooft11]

Love the video. And I definitely want the coming buyer guide! Please

[@RennvisionbyTheKnowledgeGruppe]

You got it!

[@nmonkspade]

I've owned my white '99 C2 with grey interior for 15 years now, happy to see other people appreciate it as much as I have. 50k miles and contemplated selling many times but glad I never did. Why does Jake like these better? I though everyone wanted turbos and widebody 996.2's. Did the LN bearing, clutch, and coolant tank a few years ago. Cut open the oil filter at the last oil change and it was squeaky clean. Might try the borescope next time just for kicks. Joining the channel...would love a copy of the buyer's guide please!

[@richardowens6520]

I bought a 996 produced 6/98 with 76,000 miles love the car, wanted a cab. and that’s what I bought

[@RennvisionbyTheKnowledgeGruppe]

Good for you Richard!

[@delplataapartments6729]

Thanks, love my white 99 c2, bought it 8 years ago with 58k, has 80k, new starter, ac compressor and MAF sensor, beyond that never a problem, grey interior, after this video I love it more. Fun to drive something that appreciates every day, paid 10k

[@RennvisionbyTheKnowledgeGruppe]

You could more than double your money on the market.

[@Element_y]

$10k thats insane. I'm looking at some and they're all $30k+ right now :(

[@picklemetimbers3003]

Headlights were a show of respect for the GT1. If Porsche enthusiasts are true enthusiasts then would understand this and respect as much as other Porsche models. I drove up to north GA at the start of the plandemic. I noticed a 996 c2 that was listed for 28k was down to 22k. So I made the drive from south Florida. 33k original miles. All documented. I bought it from a independent shop who did the majority of the cars maintenance so the records were very easily obtainable. Black ext. Grey Int. 6 spd manual. Car has every option someone could put on this 2001 from factory. Have the original window sticker. I bought this car for less than what the original owner spent just in options! I did the PPI inspection myself. Car needed sway bar links and the IMS was not changed. Walked out of the dealership with that car for 20k. I've driven it about 3500 miles with 0 issue. Had an oil analysis done 2x. Once on the oil it came with and once after 2500 miles. I had them check silica levels. If you start to see silica levels above the normal range you know the IMS bearing is breaking down and you should stop driving the car. IMS is a sealed bearing, the silica will break down before you have bearing failure. I will eventually replace the IMS once I get a clutch replacement. More than likely around 40k miles. Until then I'm perfectly comfortable driving around with yearly oil analysis. I for one am not gonna stress a 10% chance of failure and run in and replace a bunch of stuff that probably don't need replaced. I may have got lucky but this garage queen runs and drives great!

[@Van-tastic]

I have a 1999 C2. Owned it since 2012… I will never sell it. And yes it’s black, and it did blow up in 2014. But it was due to an impact with road debris. So thankful for insurance on that day. On another note, these videos are total rants and I love it🤣!

[@RennvisionbyTheKnowledgeGruppe]

Good to hear Van! Glad you're still enjoying the 996.

[@Nick-tx2fl]

I just bought a 997 C4. Was considering a 996 but I got too good a deal on this one

[@GregKerr301]

Just checked.. 1999 built 11/98. Nice.

[@smc327]

I have the perfect 996 in white with grey interior. It has a salvage title so i didn’t get the PPI but it runs great and it is the best drivers car I’ve ever owned.

[@RennvisionbyTheKnowledgeGruppe]

They [always] run great until they don't. Enjoy the car, but it's better to be proactive than reactive with maintenance.

[@texsquirrel213]

Great information!

[@RennvisionbyTheKnowledgeGruppe]

Come join us next week for the live webinar. Love to have your insight into the discussion.

[@texsquirrel213]

I’ve registered. Hoping work doesn’t interfere!

[@RennvisionbyTheKnowledgeGruppe]

@@texsquirrel213 Thank you! We'll see you there. The class will be divided into three sections with time for Q&A. We understand if you need to break away for work-related demands.

[@garazis-theprivategarage3780]

nice jake

[@PaulLukeBonenfant]

I have a 3/98 build '99 manual c2 in silver... 160k miles and counting!

[@stefanpool1986]

Have got exactly the same 996 with 164k km’s. Did you have the IMS bearing done? Mine was checked and just the bearing cap was replaced by the previous owner. Because of more solid bearing from 98/99models (dual row) I’m not sure to have it replaced. In the end of the day its just what makes me/you feel good about, I guess.

[@yorbalindason]

So where is the throttle cable retrofit kit for my ‘03?

[@corychecketts]

That’s my 996 at 6:21! It looks a lot better now that the bumper and bonnet have been resprayed.

[@RennvisionbyTheKnowledgeGruppe]

Yea! At the Athens Cars and Coffee event. Glad to hear you still have that 996.

[@corychecketts]

@@RennvisionbyTheKnowledgeGruppe Exactly! Yep, still have it. I'll have it out at one of the upcoming C&C meets, no doubt. Hope to catch up soon.

[@Jake0820]

I'm interested in a buyer's guide for a 996 since I'm currently shopping for one. Is a guide available or still a bit in the future still?

[@user-ob6gw3sx1h]

I’ve been offered an IMS Guardian, is it worth me fitting and do they actually save the engine before terminal destruction ? ( 996 3.6 C4) Thanks in advance for your reply

[@khestehave]

Hey Jake. Great run through! What are your thoughts on the X51 power kit on the M96? Have you ever seen bore scoring on engines with the X51? Does the added oil return make a difference there?

[@RennvisionbyTheKnowledgeGruppe]

Yes, the X51 M96 engines will experience bore scoring. The X51 components do not help mitigate the cylinder scoring issues with these engines.

[@josephtaf5507]

Do you recommend the IMS replacement on a 05/99 build 996? Assuming it has the dual row bearing which was less prone to failing?

[@RennvisionbyTheKnowledgeGruppe]

yes, while the dual row 6204 was more durable than the single row bearing, we are starting to see more and more of these dual row bearings fail.

[@automotorvation]

So after possibly 3 years of me fixing my 996 after a cracked head it maybe worth something after all?? Not that I'm ever selling it ♥️

[@smacdiesel]

Years ago I bought a 912e and found out it had some major problems. I took the heads to a guy who had a fancy website claiming to be a German trained machinist. In fact, I think he stole some DTM plans you designed and tried to sell them. I sure learned early to be careful with used Porsche cars.

[@cycoaxe]

Excellent I'm keeping my 99 996 C2 M/T. Question is what is the cost to build a 3.8L engine?

[@RennvisionbyTheKnowledgeGruppe]

Submit a support ticket to Flat 6 Innovations and request admission to our Fall Oct 21 sales webinar. It's by invite only.

[@fredpflaum1065]

I would love buyers guide. When are they coming out?

[@RennvisionbyTheKnowledgeGruppe]

The tentative plan is to have it ready for early spring 2022.

[@henryatkinson1479]

I got an Arctic Silver over Space Gray 1999 996 (4/98 build date) with just about every option checked ~1 year ago. Crazy to see cars transacting for almost double what I paid only a year later. Don't think I'll ever sell it.

[@PaulLukeBonenfant]

Same boat, same sentiment. These early build cars are too special to let go!

[@sidewayssam]

How bizarre is it, with a name as rare as “Raby” ,that one of the primary experts in Porsche’s in the UK is called Phil Raby , he is the editor of 911 world. Bizarre eh?

[@RennvisionbyTheKnowledgeGruppe]

No relation.

[@maxalwaysgoesbyboat7715]

Well Jake ive got a car that would almost fit in your specs...99 build carrera white with savannah beige and trippy... having said that my car from mile 17k to 28k miles where it was Certified Pre Owned with flying colors...every 15, 30, 45 60, 90 and yes 120k services performed with a few 5 or less oil changes thrown in for good measure! Did I perform due-diligence? You bet and Ill share with you how I buy a car...I purchase the owner...what is his lifestyle? how does he act, speak etc...what Am i saying? a good portion of what kind of car you are buying can be found in the rapport you establish with the owner! Does he care to talk with you? Does he answer all of the questions you have...and yes will he/she allow a PPI? Second, dont shy away from miles, they could be your friend...I will take a high mile well driven Porsche over a young, green specimen any day. 3rd I matched the maintenance records with the story, check the bank1 to bank2 in the exhaust (should be even and not only on one side) and finally I spoke with the shop who maintaned the car for the last 18 yrs... So I am a very happy owner due for videos like yours! Thank you for taking the time doing these videos for us and Thx for your service!!! I really like the emphasis on being a responsible buyer, owner...My owner took my car to the specialist who said "tell me what I need to do to restore this engine to factory, the work was done and my cars bill of health has an A+ thx to santa clarita porsche Gaudin and AJ at automotive media service's cheers!!!!

[@fayssalk]

funny enough, i own a white 99 but.... not with a grey interior and with tiptronic. runs perfectly ... except its just underpowered. its currently doing 0-60 in around 8 seconds and i cant seem to get to do the sprint quicker. engine fully serviced, no knocking or any weird noises.. just underpowered for some reason.

[@jerikosuratos]

Still a bargain

[@zinovate1]

40th anniversary is the best non GT or Turbo 996

[@teamground0229]

What is garage queen status? In my search for a Boxster, I am seeing most cars with 2000-3000 miles per year of age. Very few with even 5000 miles/year. Compare that with the american average of 12-14000 miles/year.

[@RennvisionbyTheKnowledgeGruppe]

It's cars that never get driven. Cars that sit in garages or storage for months even years without being exercised.

[@tristanrogers99]

I would be very interested in becoming a Rennvision member with the Buyer’s Guide.

[@RennvisionbyTheKnowledgeGruppe]

@Tristan Rogers - The key purpose behind the membership option is to provide "pay-it-forward" support for production costs. Therefore, the more people become members, the more likely future videos like a Buyer's Guide will be possible. Thank you for your support!

[@bobbarker14]

Can anyone help here? Does the bore scoring sound happen the whole time you drive or just at startup? I hear some tapping in my 996 but only for the first couple of seconds after startup.

[@AJ-el6bj]

Could just be your lifters if it’s only at startup

[@RennvisionbyTheKnowledgeGruppe]

Bob, what model year? 996 I assume? As I've mentioned, rarely do these cars exhibit lifter problems and you must rule out cylinder bore scoring first. Use Part 4 of the Bore Scoring series to diagnose.

[@benterry2681]

Cannot recommend the inspection enough, got a 99 C4 which blew up after 10 miles from the sellers home, sold it as parts. next I got a 2004 986, very happy with it, now a 2004 996 C4S, again very happy. the difference between the 996.1 and .2 cars shouldn't be understated comfort wise the .2 makes for a far better daily/car you drive regularly rather than an occasional treat.

[@RennvisionbyTheKnowledgeGruppe]

Ben, your horrible experience with the 99 C4 is the reason why we started Rennvision. Lots of people think there is no reason for a pre-purchase inspection, but it's vital to avoid a nightmare after purchase. While many people call us fear mongering, it's not our mission at all with Rennvision. Our goal is to help people learn the weak points on these cars so that they can be wiser during a purchase and be more knowledgeable how to keep them alive. These are great cars that have an engine with many weak point that will need to be addressed. Happy motoring!

[@zrzzezolo7134]

Just buy 996 Turbo or GT3 then you will not have problems with the engine........

[@kostantinoskakaletris766]

996 ....a problem with weels ..the shame of porsche and the prices explored??😂😂😂😂😂

[@TheAmishSasquatch]

Why do you say not to use a metal impeller water pump? Corrosion?

[@RennvisionbyTheKnowledgeGruppe]

When these pumps start to fail, the metal impellers come in contact with the block and cause sever damage as well as shed FOD inside engine. That debris will get stuck inside the radiators. Once the coolant passageways are blocked from metal FOD, the engine will overheat leading to catastrophic failure. One little part can do that much damage. Stick with the Genuine OEM part.

[@TheAmishSasquatch]

@@RennvisionbyTheKnowledgeGruppe Thank you for the explanation.

[@toddsteve6794]

Headlights cost five grand on a 996 how can you mark something so expensive

[@RennvisionbyTheKnowledgeGruppe]

Because it's a Porsche.

[@kevinSpolley]

cab or bust

[@996spd]

Although, my car is not cable-by-wire; it's a 2000 model year, perhaps the better made in terms of manufacturing experience on the line and supply chain management innovations at the time. Perhaps, not the most powerful of the desire Metzger engines; it's a small body, first-generation water-cooled c2 911. Historically, an advancement to carry Porsche into the 21st century.

[@user-gd7xi7uv4g]

Hi, I want to be a rennvision member

[@RennvisionbyTheKnowledgeGruppe]

Click JOIN to become a Rennvision member. Welcome aboard!

[@digilux4017]

Yet another horror movie PG18

[@Schlipperschlopper]

Sadly from 2030 on all combustion cars including classics will be banned from public streets in entire EU and Scandinavia :-( In Germany the Green Peoples Party gave order to shorten fuel supply from 2025 on by reducing all conventional fuel stations to only one state operated central gas station per city or county. Now they want to slow down all the gas station fuel pumps from 20 litre per minute to 2 litre per minute...From 2027 on in the EU certain car spare parts will be banned too....as exhaust systems, turbo chargers and even some engine and gearbox oils...California and New York will do the same from 2027 on.... So no investments should be done in oil burning cars any longer....They even created a new kind of crime here, called emissions and smoke crime :-((//

[@jackcarter66]

Complete rubbish.

[@less_vanity5820]

sorry man, but that's complete bullshit. There are only "talks" in Germany about banning registration of NEW combustion engine vehicles starting from 2030. Firstly - that is not bad thing in general, secondly - it most likely won't happen that soon, thirdly - it won't apply to existing cars (especially classics). Maybe higher taxes and more expensive fuel will come, but that's the price one should pay. Every person who cares about environment knows that "buying new" is the worst thing you can do. Replacing existing cars with electric substitute all together would cause even further environmental and economical disaster. But we should definitely start to see cars as a hobby, and choose an alternative way to commute.

[@pulaskicondoassociation6799]

Where do you buy your stuff I Wanta be that high. Btw the fossil fuel industry owns us and our law makers . They won’t stop making money until they kill us all .

[@jackcarter66]

Glad I didn’t watch this before I bought mine - would have sucked the last molecule of fun out of it for sure. You can take this diligence stuff too far. You only eliminate risk by simply not buying the car in the first place.

[@RennvisionbyTheKnowledgeGruppe]

As they say, "No good deed goes unpunished", but glad to know you're still retaining all of your molecules.

[@AF072]

Whats so bad about a water pump with metal impeller?

[@RennvisionbyTheKnowledgeGruppe]

When they fail they can damage the block.

[@esti5506]

Is the porsche 996 really anyone's dream car? It is the single worst car I've ever owned and I've owned several dozen high performance sports cars. The 996 is manufactured and engineered so poorly the entire design should have been recalled. like the IMS bearing, air oil separator and the expansion tank. Those are things that almost shouldn't even be an issue in most cars, but for the 996 can be catastrophic failures if they aren't replaced on a regular basis. I had an in depth PPI at a very reputable shop as well and it was given a clean bill of health but after just a year of pretty light driving, racked up roughly 15 thousand in repair costs. The 997 on the other hand does not suffer such issues and has rarely been in the shop except for regular maintenance and has been a joy to own.

[@paulomagalhaes9405]

… 996 = poorly manufactured and engineered … 996 with swaped front & rear lights, swaped front & rear bumpers & dashboard & rebadged "as 997" (specially 2004/2005 3.6 models) = Richly manufactured and engineered, that’s it???…