Rep. Elise Stefanik (R-NY) Questions University Presidents on Antisemitism

[@foxxodk646]

I am revisiting this video today 11/11/2024 after Stefanik's promotion, I feel blessed

[@justinburdett6635]

Me too. Same reason I am here.

[@XizheCheng]

Me too. This is the first scene that jumped out of my mind.

[@岁月静好-h6e]

Me too, from Malaysia 😊

[@lironstern9735]

Me four!!

[@jcnaranjo51]

Me too

[@liquid_shadow8690]

Look at those smirks. They think they’re so clever.

[@psrinivasan9920]

Replace the word "jews" with "blacks" and you will see how all 3 will be spitting fire.

[@gantz0949]

💯 or Palestinians

[@katherenewedic8076]

stafanik is a self righteous bully and is making money hand over fist with individual, mass, and the carpet bombing murder of innocent individuals with her ties to weapons manufacturing and sales LEARN what free speech means

[@jayce8001]

Hear! Hear!

[@mickeyshooter5298]

And change it to “whites” and there’d be no issue at all. They’d probably get more money.

[@Larkon979]

Replace it with whites and it will be celebrated

[@airdenmark]

The smirk on magill's face 👊

[@neerajamb]

As a progressive, I’m ashamed

[@farmalmta]

Try being ashamed that you're "progressive." These woketards that you're in bed with intellectually just got caught expressing what wokeists think. Most, such as yourself, are never actually have the light shone onto them so intensely.

[@JM.5387]

Indeed, you should be. "Progressivism" has revealed itself to be antisemitic trash, and the antithesis of classical liberal values.

[@sf7709]

Judging from all the smirking I feel like the board of presidents spoke quite intentionally. They showed their true colors by being very biased hypocrites. Falling over themselves backtracking and apologizing is not going to save them.

[@tatereno]

This isn’t going to hurt Penn as much as you want it to. The smirk is one you give when you’re being interrogated by an idiot who is pretending to not understand the answer you’ve given and explained too many times to have to repeat it any more times. It’s all fake second hand rage by someone who’s supposedly a devout Roman Catholic that without a doubt grew up demonizing the people she’s fake standing up for in this fake hearing. Stefanik is just the latest in the long lineup of clown shoed republican congress jokers looking for their sound bite on camera begging to become memes or campaign ads for their future opponents.

[@HABY_BABY]

True

[@krisgi00710]

A hypocrite is someone like you, who shows more interest in a bogus congressional hearing on fictitious genocides while real genocide is being committed by a country you support with your tax dollars.

[@unintentionalprovocateur2158]

Or the smilrk is because her question are implicit and misleading. Good thing the smirk tells all because she didn't get a chance to say anything.

[@marmah740]

What’s up with those smirks??

[@Manuel-uf6sr]

Unreal. It’s disgusting

[@katherenewedic8076]

Where's the difference when you start censoring education? Education is about learning. stafanik is a self righteous bully and is making money hand over fist with individual, mass, and the carpet bombing murder of innocent individuals with her ties to weapons manufacturing and sales LEARN what free speech means

[@HadEnough745]

Stefanik should've asked them "What is so funny? I see you smiling as if this is some kind of joke."

[@jasons5916]

It's because they know Stefanik is acting her outrage at their answers. At least in part. They know she doesn't give a shit about Jews or she wouldn't support Trump. But for presidents of major universities, they don't seem to be very smart because even though the questioner is over the top, you should still maintain serious composure when talking about serious subjects.

[@JM.5387]

It's because academics feel superior to ordinary people. I worked in academia for decades, so I know.

[@azarel7]

The smiling did them in.

[@katherenewedic8076]

Where's the difference when you start censoring education? Education is about learning. stafanik is a self righteous bully and is making money hand over fist with individual, mass, and the carpet bombing murder of innocent individuals with her ties to weapons manufacturing and sales LEARN what free speech means

[@ayeletcooperberg8372]

Every time I feel badly that I didn’t get into Penn I just watch this video

[@SGoldenk]

Dodged a bullet

[@Favorites3827]

That smirk is world-famous now! I bet the woman didn't expect this LOL

[@user-jy2ci5ox9v]

What a legend. She knew what she was doing. #Queen

[@Versul1]

​@@user-jy2ci5ox9vand it cost her, her job.

[@johndickson9542]

@@user-jy2ci5ox9v Well, your legend is gone. On the unemployment line now.

[@user-jy2ci5ox9v]

@@johndickson9542 you think she is in need of money?! 🤣 Loool. Legend. Legend. Legend. And just because the US is bent over for a good seeing to by Israel, doesn’t mean the rest of the world is. Education consultancy internationally is big business, aging far more than you lot. Lol. 🤣 The world is her oyster.

[@ScaleScarborough-jq8zx]

She’ll be snuffed out by her own arrogance.

[@lostinpa-dadenduro7555]

She is so smug and sure of herself that she smirks. FYI, she just resigned. Lol.

[@user-jy2ci5ox9v]

She just gained a billion fans. You think she cares? Lol. Each of them did. Far bigger opportunity for them globally. The east is rich like you can’t believe.

[@MayaState]

@@user-jy2ci5ox9vtoxic NPC fans

[@machitect]

I wonder what’s so funny why Ms. Liz Magill seems to be stopping herself from laughing

[@gantz0949]

Fr that smirk

[@katherenewedic8076]

stafanik is a self righteous bully and is making money hand over fist with individual, mass, and the carpet bombing murder of innocent individuals with her ties to weapons manufacturing and sales LEARN what free speech means

[@hpygolkyone]

I find it rather hilarious that a trumptard, MAGA loving, republican is bullying, talking down to and being condescending towards liberal, lunatic, female college admins who wear goofy glasses and smirk at the bullying behavior. They are laughing because Stefanik on has a BA, and they all have PhD's. The *entire lot of them out to be tarred and feathered and run out of town*

[@ArthurKaletzky]

It's the silliness and arrogance of Stefanik demanding a "yes" or "no". Stefanik's a Harvard alumna, but she's pandering to dumb scum in this clip. Dumb scum who'll vote for her.

[@jimbanda]

She ain't laughing so much now! "We" have always said that those who are happy to promote cancel culture would some day have it come to bite themselves, given it's nature I think it's a fairly logical conclusion , now SHE knows it!! I have no sympathy for her. God, bring the world to its senses please.

[@happytownesvanzandt]

So pleased that Penn's largest donor Ross Stevens pulled his 100 million the hell out of there.

[@MrCJHamill]

Good on him.

[@busterbiloxi3833]

He can shove his dirty money up his ass. Penn is America. Ross is only here for the good times.

[@user-jy2ci5ox9v]

I am too. Finally Academia is decoupling from Zionist funding. This couldn’t come at a more perfect time. Now it’s time for rich Middle Eastern nations to swoop in and plug what is not even a figure that could register on their accounts. So wonderful to see in our lifetime. 🙌🏽

[@Loljjkb]

Is he Jewish?

[@stephj9378]

He can send it to me!

[@nonchantereo]

Free speech is context dependant. Be free to speak all of your opinions, but your opinions may determine your fitness for a role in society, which is the case every day for everyone.

[@katherenewedic8076]

Where's the difference when you start censoring education? Education is about learning. stafanik is a self righteous bully and is making money hand over fist with individual, mass, and the carpet bombing murder of innocent individuals with her ties to weapons manufacturing and sales LEARN what free speech means

[@jayce8001]

Almost there. Yes, this is part of it. But that is court of public opinion. The Representative should be censured for using their chair to oversee and enforce their opinion by using code of conduct rules as proxy for oversight when, in fact, she is violating the First Amendment by doing so.

[@jaknap1]

America should remove the freedom of speech amendment from constitution as that no longer exists in America. Both parties have no ethics or balls to stand up to right and left crazies.

[@stephj9378]

ONLY if the same standards are used for all.

[@wa1ufo]

This may be free speech but it is a gross abuse of it. It is HATE SPEECH and should not be tolerated. Words can cause cataclysmic damage. Hitler is a perfect example.

[@HansonMusic-z3t]

Resignations and apologies would be the only honourable course of action.

[@MA-qj9vz]

Yes. And with no more fake, back-handed apologies.

[@katherenewedic8076]

stafanik is a self righteous bully and is making money hand over fist with individual, mass, and the carpet bombing murder of innocent individuals with her ties to weapons manufacturing and sales LEARN what free speech means

[@busterbiloxi3833]

Your resignation and your apologies. Please begin.

[@davidcook680]

Tell you what. The only one I know for a fact won't resign or apologize. Is the bald head black woman. Bet you a million dollars she won't. If someone tells her she should. She will scream you are racist.

[@wiseowl2020]

And the resignations have begun. Magill resigned today (12/9/23). So did the chairman of the board of directors of UPenn.

[@TrevorBeardsley]

Coming back to this to say I cannot WAIT to see this woman as the Ambassador to the UN 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

[@lewisengr]

She's not smirking now...lol

[@rainmanslim4611]

And yet these ppl are claiming antisemitism is exclusively a right wing problem.

[@kylebell2365]

And yet Genocide is still a “bad thing”…yes or no? 😒🙄

[@danielallan8061]

Marxists are notorious antisemites.

[@tobybigham4196]

Anti-semitism is quite a unique concept. No where in the world have they created an entire word and category for the hate, or the questioning of a race of people, other than here! And I find it more interesting that if someone admits that the Zionist launched a plan to use the Jews to annex land that doesn't belong to them. That is somehow Anti-Semitic. However, if you knew the history of Chaim Weizmann and his inner circle. These were elites who hated the working class, and used these people during a time of political upheaval, not to mention a time when Jews were being hunted. To launch an occupation campaign that was ultimately successful. And I have mad respect for pulling this whole thing off. But in the end, it only transferred power to the Elites. And they have done a horrible job governing their land. And by that, I mean they should have wiped Hamas from the face of the Earth back when it was formed! To allow them to operate unhindered as long as they have, makes me wonder what their goal was to allow a terrorist organization who wants to commit genocide to exist literally on their border.

[@Idontanswerquestionz]

Because it is lol, that's what's known as gaslighting. Or a strawman argument. Infada is a call to arms, not genocide. According to the ignorance of stefanik, Greg Abbott is calling for genocide when he talks about seceding from Texas from the U.S. Apparently any political disagreement is now hate speech against Jews according to the "Jews will not replace us" crowd. It's absurd.

[@richardmcleod1930]

Liz McGill may have resigned as President, BUT she is not out and will remain on the Faculty eventually receiving a very hefty Pension when she retires. Don't worry about Liz McGill or Claudine Gay at Harvard. They are in a protected class all by themselves.

[@dannymyers305]

What a woman ! Watch out UN - here she comes !!

[@achimbahnen]

Sounds like Hitler would be welcomed today to study at these universities.

[@ahmedsalama5768]

He is there in Israel. They're all carrying his DNA. Look what they're doing now lol, same as him

[@cjgazerro622]

All the attributes of Hitler’s movement, we’re on the rights in Europe. All those same attributes are on the left in the United States, and the college campuses are just amplify.

[@TheHenkdehondt]

Talking about rethoric, what's the use of remark?

[@TheHenkdehondt]

Talking about rethoric, what's the use of remark?

[@carlsonaar]

Did I hear this right? I swear they straight up said that in order for student's behavior to violate the codes of conduct, they would have to actually commit genocide. Until the students start killing, it's all just harmless free speech, and can't be punished. It's like arguing that if some people are getting together every night and talking about a planned bank robbery, they haven't done anything wrong until they show up at the bank with guns drawn. Talking about a planned bank robbery is not protected free speech, and neither is calling for the genocide of any group.

[@philipskalla4312]

Assuming that they are making serious plans for an actual robbery ,then they have already broken the law.

[@carlsonaar]

@@philipskalla4312 Exactly.

[@articulatingprimate6980]

And why adults don't understand how to answer "Yes" or "No"....my children are capable of it....

[@italia689]

Those college presidents were trying to look "professional" by giving "scholarly" answers. If all they did was answer affirmatively or negatively, Stefanik would be an afterthought; now she is known all over, and is suddenly a "rising star."

[@kmain0]

Man she blew up her entire career in minutes lol... thats harsh. Hey Magill calls for genocide for Jewish people is indeed unacceptable. So a simple "yes" would have sufficed. If Elise had said "Does calling for the genocide of black people violate MIT's rules for harassment, yes/no"... I'm sure they'd get a swift yes.

[@Negus93]

Yea right. I guess u don’t know they took mat turner’s brain to Harvard after killing him and black people are the real Jews so of course they should defend

[@zaydevans2077]

Would you say intifada is a call for the genocide of all Jews? If so, there was 1000 Jews killed in the 10 years of intifada. There has been 7000 Palestinian kids killed in the last 8 weeks… Is nothing Israel says a call to genocide of the Palestinians?

[@user-jy2ci5ox9v]

Not really. All of a sudden Billions of pro Palestinians know their names now. You think you’re the only country where people can do well? The Middle East and Far East are rich like you couldn’t imagine. They have incredible consulting and management roles if they want them now. The news we have read has called them hero’s. You stay in your little bubble. It’s better that way. 🤣 Whilst the rest of the world wakes up to the Israeli and Jewish lobby in action. Perpetuating every stereotype we now know to be true. 🙌🏽 Kanye West wasn’t wrong. 👀

[@_truthBtold]

You’d be surprised how many folks still hate black people, I’d figure it’d be way more apparent especially in 🇺🇸 that blacks as an entire community are obviously still more hated than anyone Jewish. Like an instant as soon as you see them type of hate because it’s so obvious in America because of the color of their skin. Both are wrong but don’t be so sure if yourself that folks would easily dismiss the genocide of blacks and as far as the President of Harvard being a black woman to even ask her that question would be an obvious issue so I doubt she’d even be ask your hypothetical question. But to insinuate definitively that across the board EVERY university President in the country or involved would answer with a resounding “yes” if it were blacks, shows just how unaware of things you really are in the 🇺🇸. I see on a daily, weekly, monthly, yearly basis that they are still the most and tenured discriminated group of people in that country from their day 1 there. Systematically, judicially, educationally, financially, demographically, you name it, that in itself is a slow drag generational genocide for them in that country. The Jewish community propers in that country for the most part in all of those categories. So again don’t be too sure of yourself that people would be answering yes to that so confidently.

[@marshyburrows1094]

I love Stefanik

[@RS-uh7rz]

This is positively crazy. I have to go away and think about something else.

[@Antishyster2]

Perfect example of becoming what you hate ?

[@jayce8001]

They already were. And no, not the religion or the people. The leaders doing it and billionaires backing them.

[@jaylaw.7660]

So true!!

[@katherenewedic8076]

stafanik is a self righteous bully and is making money hand over fist with individual, mass, and the carpet bombing murder of innocent individuals with her ties to weapons manufacturing and sales LEARN what free speech means

[@_truthBtold]

@@jayce8001the leaders and billionaires are Jewish though 😂 statistically Jewish people made up 30% of the richest 100 people in America. As far back as 2009 they had 139 people on Forbes 400, to put that in perspective as recent as 2017 there was only 2 black people on that list and 5 were Hispanic. That’s the crème de la crème right there if I say so myself lol that’s not accounting for regular millionaires either you know the $2 million - $250 million earners if I took an educated guess I’d take they take up a significant % of that group as well based on the previously established factual statistics; you don’t become high earners like that without being a leader already and once you peak one place they tend to look to lead in other places as well. 🤷‍♂️ just saying.

[@cjgazerro622]

To be part of the left, you have to be a single woman or very big and unattractive angry. Want to hurt people that don’t agree with you and you hate people because of uncontrollable attributes.

[@mikey2603]

These 3 think they are above everyone else.

[@johnpatmos1722]

"Conduct meaning committing the act of genocide?!" Pinned her to the wall.

[@ourcalmmusic]

The smug look on these women's faces is astounding. Who appointed these women anyway? That's why these positions should be filled by non-woke individuals. Ideally, men who can make the though situations!

[@BillyJr68]

It's rare that I find myself in total agreement with a MAGA republican. But the smug and dismissive demeanor in which the university presidents displayed while answering, or in this case, not really answering, the questions is what struck me as most infuriating.

[@Jmaters83]

They did answer the question, and appropriately so. It's content dependent. Saying "intifada" does not automatically mean "kill the jews." Same goes for the chant of "from the River to the Sea." It's content dependent. And 90% of the time, it's NOT... I repeat NOT used within antisemitic content. That MAGA trash lady only wanted cheap political points. And it looks like she got them out of you.

[@tatereno]

Remember that these presidents were served up on a platter with canned answers by their handlers. Call it smug all you want. Smugness happens when you’re being interrogated by an idiot who is pretending to not understand the answer you’ve given and explained too many times to have to repeat it any more times. It’s all fake second hand rage by someone who’s supposedly a devout Roman Catholic that without a doubt grew up demonizing the people she’s fake standing up for in this fake hearing. Stefanik is just the latest in the long lineup of clown shoed republican congress jokers looking for their sound bite on camera begging to become memes or campaign ads for their future opponents. I’m not saying I agree with these answers. They’re playing the long game by not lining themselves up to have their answers spun on them by the clowns asking the questions.

[@benjaminrusso7252]

And this is the smug, nonsensical, and ultimately racist “tolerant” Left we Conservatives have been decrying for years.

[@BillyJr68]

@@benjaminrusso7252 and not just conservatives. Bill Maher has been talking about it for years.

[@Jmaters83]

@@benjaminrusso7252 Conservatism is where racism shelters. Those University presidents gave a perfectly acceptable answer. But because Stefanik wants to score cheap political points while pretending to care about Jews, and punching down on Palestinians, she pretended to be outraged. She's the racist, she's the antisemite, and she's a conservative.

[@HenggaoCai]

Trump's rhetoric calling for a Muslim Ban can also be bullying and harassment. It is also dehumanizing them.

[@MA-qj9vz]

Rep Stefanik is a hero! I'm a Democrat but thank her for taking action to stop this racist, double-speak and the danger it's created for Jewish students.

[@katherenewedic8076]

stafanik is a self righteous bully and is making money hand over fist with individual, mass, and the carpet bombing murder of innocent individuals with her ties to weapons manufacturing and sales LEARN what free speech means

[@RonaldTolar-pg8uh]

Definition of Hypocracy = "" Cancel Culture bad, bad "" !! But let's Cancel them !!!!

[@jayce8001]

Uh no, not a hero. You are a bot and no actual Democrat would say anything you just said.

[@bsupernova9807]

@@V3ganM3at give this a read en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etymological_fallacy#Occurrence_and_examples

[@Baku-oc5fc]

Time for you to also become a hero yourself and vote/become a Republican.

[@Daniel-19912]

She is the reason why am watching this. Great be US ambassador to UN

[@MrCJHamill]

Hopefully all donors either pull their money from these Universities or simply stop donating in future.

[@graplingurty]

And these elitists call Conservatives Nazi's

[@Steelologist]

All three should resign, but more importantly, Congress needs to investigate who coached these women to give practically identical statements. This sounds like some kind of coordinated effort and we need to know who's behind this.

[@robforrester3727]

That is already known. One lawyer coached all three of them, which is in no way illegal. It is why the responses were so legalistic too: they have to follow rules. Elise Stefanik gets to just yell things.

[@user-jy2ci5ox9v]

Like congress should investigate the Jewish Israeli lobby you mean? 🤣

[@Steelologist]

@@user-jy2ci5ox9v Your comment makes no sense. Why would anyone want to investigate a group that had nothing to do with this hearing? Perhaps you should watch the video before commenting.

[@silverwolf6866]

"they have to follow rules" What rules do these terrorist groomers they have to follow?

[@PrayinforTexas]

Yes!

[@yuliyai.1744]

God bless this woman with strength and wisdom!

[@Amanda-zg9pz]

It’s funny I am not a republican. I am not a fan of Trump. But I will say I am super happy he nominated Elise as UN ambassador. She is a badass and I really like her!

[@helenerickson2195]

Their hemming & hawing over a simple question was beyond belief. Their arrogance looked stupid in exposing their plain evil.

[@lucasaustin9872]

They answered intelligently. It's unsurprising you're unable to grasp the distinction. And they'd all still have jobs if they'd been able to control their facial expressions

[@tailgunnerrich592]

Why does McGill have a smirk on her face?

[@user-jy2ci5ox9v]

Because she knows after this she’ll be a legend to Billions of others. You guys think you ate with asking her these Zionist lobby driven questions? Everybody saw through them.

[@ibrahimsaab]

No body called for genocide

[@PrayinforTexas]

One more thought. You know what's most concerning about this: There are several million voters who will hear sound bites and think that a judge from The Voice was somehow on a panel question university presidents. And they will not give the matter any more thought.

[@justinshabtai]

Hate speech isn't conduct?

[@BrutusBellamy]

I have no love for MAGA or the GOP in general, but Representative Stefanik here is hitting the nail on the head.

[@danrode104]

How?

[@maggan82]

They said Trump dont like tough women.

[@kalan4787]

The only thing I wish Rep. Stefanik had done differently would have been to ask Dr. Gay if calling for the genocide of Blacks constituted a violation of Harvard's code of conduct after she went on the record as saying that calling for the genocide of Jews "depended upon the context."

[@Daash27]

She did in some other clip. I don't know why that part isn't included here.

[@Negus93]

Blacks are the real Jews and everybody who doesn’t accept that is a race traitor

[@hippygirlfriend4937]

Could you send me the link

[@susanmarie03]

⁠@@hippygirlfriend4937just Google the entire hearing and forward to the different times Stefanick questioned them. She did indeed ask that question and Gay skirted the issue. Basically didnt answer.

[@robforrester3727]

Yeah, you racist twat. I bet.

[@teenyverse7707]

🤣🤣🤣.... all these lawyers want to tiptoe on context without actually analyzing what's being said...

[@tylerw5356]

People are allowed to have horrible opinions. It's an american right. You can hate any kind of person you want, wish them dead, and say it out loud. That isn't harassment. They answered her question. A publicly stated opinion is not the same as harassment. You can be racist and go to college. You can hate gay people and go to college and you can voice that opinion. What you can't do is turn it into action. You cant target individuals. You cant attack them physically. You cant threaten them personally. You cant yell antisemitic slurs in their face. That's direct intimidation. She's asking a hypothetical question, and they are answering with a written code of conduct that has specific parameters for what constitutes as bullying and harassment. Not liking the answer does not make these women antisemitic. It's not a personal question, it's a question about policy.

[@ariyanbista5837]

this is such a stupid view. You understand it's a fckinnn university right? Students go there to gain knowledge under a safe environment. You can hate people outside as much as you like but actively hating certain races under university premises is one of the fastest ways to increase hate crimes in the US. Also, the question isn't about hating. It clearly says "asking for genocide of Jewish people" essentially meaning killing Jewish people and you believe people can walk around preaching those views on a university. Are you crazy?

[@elizabethhenning778]

​@@ariyanbista5837Define exactly what you think it means for someone to "call for the genocide of Jews."

[@jimmyroberts5907]

Yeah but "silence is violence" to the same fucking people when it comes to trans, black, Asian, lgbtq+.... what a joke

[@philipskalla4312]

Are you really saying that if a student publicly calls for the extermination of all coloured people in America, no action should be taken against him?

[@Cyril29a]

This isn't opinion. This is policy at a puclucly funded university. This is a betrayal of their mandate. You are a clown.

[@YuzimaPhilip]

These are the same Republicans who were retweeting Kanye West's anti-Semitic threats. This is just the latest 2 minutes of hate.

[@2ndMillenniumMuslim]

"Ok, everyone -- I am opening the floor for perspectives on this topic, and I will not argue or complain, however unusual the responses may be. So, here is my view: the context is almost always integral, as it is here. Can we agree that genocide is morally abhorrent? If you sense an implicit trap in my question, perhaps that indicates an unwillingness to directly address the issue. A straightforward, thoughtful response places a burden of responsibility on the person asking the question, does it not? It's not about attacking anyone's character or motives - it's about having an open and honest dialogue. Does that seem reasonable?

[@kathleenparker9297]

? 🙄

[@VelvetJazz]

Magill is despicable, that evil smirk…🤮

[@Versul1]

She went bye-bye

[@lowspeed2000]

Gay had a smirk too, they all did. Disgusting.

[@jessicajnsm]

While the questions at face value, without context and implications, are "easy" to answer, I can very much understand why a public figure would be hesitant to answer considering so many people now conflate being pro-Palestinian with being "antisemitic" or "pro-genocide" when that is simply not true. I think we can agree, most people are against genocide except those hungry for power. But the presidents are probably scared to block themselves in a corner because Ms. Stefanik might later imply that speaking out against Israel is genocidal and then say any student who does should be removed from campus.

[@rudyavila1825]

Please explain how genocide can be put in context to justify it?

[@cobbler9113]

I’m sorry, but if she asked this about Black people or Native Americans rather than Jews, these same people would fall over themselves to be the first to say “yes”. Why the immense and blatant hypocrisy?

[@lucasaustin9872]

​@@rudyavila1825 It's free speech. Universities have long had policies that protect a student's right to free speech, as long as it isn't used to intimidate or bully other students. Darling of the right Nick Fuentes for example, who has spoke at Trump events, attended the Unite the Right ally that marched around calling for "one people, one nation" and chanting "Jews will not replace us." He was allowed to keep attending the university.. because free speech is protected, even when abhorrent.

[@jasons5916]

I think the correct reply would be "Yes calling for genocide against Jews is unacceptable and against conduct rules at the university." As long as it is (if not you just leave that part out and you'll have to answer why it's not). If Stefanik then asks if students will be punished for it, then you say you are investigating, which would be true if there were actual calls for genocide on campuses and those people were harassing Jewish students. If the Reps try to define intifada or "River to the sea" as calling for genocide, then you can argue that's not really what those phrases mean and protesting against a foreign country's government is not antisemitic. But if students were threatening Jewish students, they should definitely be punished for that.

[@omartinoco9930]

Free speech is not for free. It has consequences as we are finding out here. Very expensive consequences.

[@pbh9195]

Jesus I saw this earlier but from a different camera angle and had no idea she was smirking.

[@ABC_DEF]

Absolutely astonishing. These three women can't see anything wrong with people on their campuses calling for the murder of their Jewish students. But if they were asked about whether calling for the annihilation of black people was a violation of their rules, you know they would NOT answer, "Well, it depends what the context was."

[@wa1ufo]

Exactly!

[@YuzimaPhilip]

Yet you don't have a problem with Stephanik and Trump hosting Holocaust Deniers at Mar-O- Lago; Hypocrite. Or anti-Semite Kanye West.

[@n10dkf]

Where is the evidence of anyone on any of these three campuses calling for anything that you mentioned? Show us the evidence.

[@BenWex]

@n10dkf there's plenty of evidence of people calling for the genocide of Israel/Jewish people, but it's completely besides the fact. Something can still be absolutely unacceptable even if it didn't happen yet. Moron

[@michael57603]

Very impressed with Rep Stefanik's tough questioning and having moral clarity that eludes the leaders of three of the top universities in the US.

[@bijosn]

these universities are funded by Qatar which also funds hamas...so no surprises

[@krisgi00710]

Right. Because, for you, this is less about clarification and more about "eluding" people to try and show that we are smarter than them. Extra points if those people are women and one or more of them is Black.

[@pastorpage2269]

Stefanik acts as if she has a moral leg to stand on, she doesn't. Look at her past decisions and statements, she's a Trump follower.

[@keithjoseph7433]

This is so shocking, How could any person want to send their children to schools that think like this.

[@user-jy2ci5ox9v]

You’re right. If you’re a Jewish please don’t send your kids to these institutions. Win win for all. Finally. 🙌🏽

[@realitypreferred7084]

The schools don't think anything. I think you misunderstand what school/education is. I wonder why. (No, I don't).

[@8House]

​@@realitypreferred7084Yes they do think like that. Wokeness leads to calls for genocide which leads to actual genocide. American universities for the most part are indoctrination centers.

[@JayJay-tm7xw]

She just resigned.

[@lucasaustin9872]

Schools that think logically and protect free speech? The HORROR!!!1!!1

[@mirapilates]

Stefanik who said nothing about Trumps association with antisemite Kanye West. Stefanik conflated the word Intafada with genocide and they are not the same. She did this to grandstand Why does no one point this out?

[@NRPax]

Every single one of those women knew that if they said it was unacceptable they were going to be asked why it was tolerated. And I'm willing to bet that if there had been a call for the elimination of black people on campus, there would never be a "But Muh Context!" argument.

[@wa1ufo]

Yes!

[@BlazeDuskdreamer]

For once, I'm not embarassed by a politician from my state.

[@cjgazerro622]

That’s because most of the Democrats

[@pixelfan4354]

President-elect Donald Trump offered New York Rep. Elise Stefanik to be his enforcer as United Nations ambassador.

[@Stud_muffin]

To me there is a difference between free speech and rhetoric. Calling for the genocide of anyone, is an act, no different than yelling "fire" in a movie theater. Her response of "if the speech turns into conduct, it can be harrassment" before there is any action taken is crazy. As Stefanik said, "Conduct meaning the act of genocide?" Excellent response, and incredible that a university president could be splitting hairs on this.

[@robforrester3727]

Well, you'd need to believe that anyone who supports the Palestinian people is for the genocide of Jewish people, which isn't true.

[@Dragon_Lord4_Sure]

I know. Like speaking in front of a building and using words that rile up people, rile them into a violent frenzy. Then turn loose those people on that building and they do get violent. I totally agree with you. Those people need to held accountable

[@goodcomrade4231]

Your post is embarrassing, as it reveals you have no understanding of the difference between the law and school code of conduct. Hint: one does not need to violate the law in order to violate the code of conduct. Stud you ain't, not intellectually for sure.

[@Stud_muffin]

@@goodcomrade4231 Mayhaps you read the post wrong? I was not referring to breaking the law by shouting fire, I was using an analogy of using words can do harm, without actually doing anything physically. Yelling fire in a theater will likely cause panic and therefore injuries, just as calling for genocide can erupt into someone being attacked and therefore injured. Why the need for you to lash out; I have no idea.

[@jasons5916]

Shouting fire when there isn't one in a crowded movie theater (or less crowded) is illegal because it directly leads to people getting injured when everyone rushes to get out. Calling for genocide of a people doesn't end in anyone getting hurt unless the person doing it has the power to make it happen. It's bad no matter what, but a random guy on the street saying "Let's kill all the x" to a bunch of random people walking by is not violating any law in the US. If the president of the US said the same thing to a group of followers who then went out and killed a bunch of people, then that would be illegal.

[@richardchason]

There is still such a thing as freedom of speech in America, even if the expressed idea is abhorrent. Threats and harrassment are not protected by free speech. The expression of an ideology, no matter how vile the ideology, must be protected in a truly free society. I am a proud Jew and despise calls of genocide against Jews, but as long as these calls are expressions of an idea and not threats of violence or acts of harrassment, I still uphold that notion that "I may disagree with what you say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it." Threats against freedom of speech from all sides of the political spectrum are terrifying me in America today.

[@gregorioio]

I too am a Jew and agree with you. I am saddened by the 2 bit McCarthyism on display here. Not in my name.

[@denizkacan8007]

This is also my exact view on the subject.

[@robforrester3727]

Thank you for nuance.

[@PrayinforTexas]

Very True. But the question is specifically about university policy, not the definition of the First Amendment. And simple: Calling for genocide, anytime, anywhere should not be free speech. So my defense of free speech stops at that, and down right lies. Public calls for violence are not nuanced.

[@BenWex]

I too am a Jew bla bla my comment carries more weight because of it bla bla. A. It's not about freedom of speech as much as it is about the double standard and how universities nowadays are known for famously putting down free speech when it comes from conservatives and labeling even the smallest things like calling a trans woman a man as hate speech. If universities were at least consistent and said yeah it's ok to call for the genocide of Jews as well as black people or trans people then fine. If free speech is to allow calling for the murder of random civilians no matter who they are, then fine. But somehow it seems only ok if it's Jewish people. B. It's not actually really fine. I'm all for free speech and allowing mean and offensive things to be said. I think it's critical to allow it. But this is people calling for mass murder of Jews. I don't know why you would defend that, even just as a human. They're calling for you and me to be killed, and you can't speak for yourself but don't expect me to just go along with people wanting to kill me

[@fumblerooskie]

What's up with that silly smirk on Magill's face? This isn't funny.

[@katherenewedic8076]

because stafanik doesn't give two $$$hts about anyone. listen to her voice - self righteous bullying, and is making money hand over fist with individual, mass, and the carpet bombing of innocent individuals with her ties to weapons manufacturing and sales LEARN what free speech means

[@Anonymous-pm7jf]

It's the correct response to the answer. She's probably baffled by the Jew bought representative's persistent questioning.

[@fumblerooskie]

@@Anonymous-pm7jf A smirk is the correct answer? To who? Bigots?

[@robertcoker5626]

"Unacceptable answers across the board!" The testimony of these individuals is sickening.

[@chrisreed3572]

Why?

[@justinfowler5761]

​@@chrisreed3572if you don't know, then there is no reason to explain it to you.

[@justinfowler5761]

Saying it ok to call for the genocide of a people is ok, unless you aren't actively genociding? If someone was calling for the genocide of trans people you would be losing your shit.

[@user-jy2ci5ox9v]

It wasn’t sickening. It was perfect. A political response to a political question.

[@chrisreed3572]

@@justinfowler5761 Brainwashed much?

[@JOJORABBITAMERICANSNIPER]

Don't need cnn either or channel 4

[@MoMoneyMark501]

Can anyone point me towards a link were students are calling for the “g” word at any one of these university’s?

[@jugnu361]

Mam Stefnik Is Honest............ The 3 Lady On Table Seem Like Corrupt With MONEY

[@realitypreferred7084]

Ms Stefanik has no idea that she is ignorant? Say it isn't so! Of COURSE the context matters! As it does with everything!

[@silverwolf6866]

No it doesn't. Context would not matter if they were targeting blacks using the n* word. Go back to sipping your soy milk

[@AndrewDeFaria]

Excuse me but why is Congress even talking to these Harvard people? Why does it matter to Congress if a private institution's "code of conduct" has been violated or not? That's totally up to Harvard and not up to the government. Antisemetic behavior is NOT illegal. One might make the case that it's insitement but if it is then the police and the courts should get involved but not Congress. I'm really tired of this kind of stupid shit on the internet is not questioned as it is more virtue signaling than anything of substance. Congress, focus on governing not sticking your nose in business that should not be concerning you!

[@richd9683]

Sure, they're independent and private... just as soon as those elite welfare state bloodsuckers get off the taxpayer dole... MIT: $600 million in federal moolah in 2023

[@tigersforever4577]

This is the latest buzzword in education: context dependent.

[@katherenewedic8076]

stafanik is a self righteous bully and is making money hand over fist with individual, mass, and the carpet bombing murder of innocent individuals with her ties to weapons manufacturing and sales LEARN what free speech means

[@jayce8001]

Context, nuance, and any brainpower use at all is lacking in the right wing. So, yeah. You just had a moment of self awareness.

[@MH-ro1lg]

You can tell she's a democrat by how she is loath to punish any students calling for the gen...... of jews.

[@tylerw5356]

​@kristoduka8012 Yes. Because she's asking specifically about a university policy of harassment and bullying and that has parameters that specify what is considered harassment and what is not. They made it clear. Their code of conduct is ABOUT conduct, not opinion. Carrying out a direct action against others, not making a hateful general statement of opinion on a group/religion/race/sexuality.

[@tylerw5356]

@@kristoduka8012 of course its not ok. But it isn't a moral question. It would be awful for someone to say this. The question was, is that considered harassment at these universities. Their answer reflected the code of conduct....it does not. It is difficult to answer "no" and accept that someone can say horrible things and not face consequences for it. But these women are trying to represent the university COC truthfully. An incident cannot be considered harassment without context and conduct being considered.

[@WumbosWorldz]

she gotta work for that $209,344 AIPAC check. an excellent politician for our welfare baby the state of Israel. #freePalestinefromtherivertothesea

[@annecarlton1878]

By the way, protesters did not call for genocide of Jews. They called out Israel for "genocide" in Palestine. It's not bullying or harrassment when it's not directed at an individual. Protesting an unscrupulous war against civilians is free speech. Most religious people are spiritual and peaceful. So it is not antisemetic to object to war and aggression by any country.

[@billgarrity6720]

The 'questions' and 'answers' in this video are ridiculous. First, the questions are leading-Stefanik is not simply asking questions, she's making statements and accusations. Second, the answers to these questions should be clearly that if there is an imminent threat of violence, such as the phrase 'get him now', referring to a specific person, this would be essentially unacceptable actions on the speaker's part. A general call for genocide, as appalling as it may be, falls under the protections of the First Amendment and and as such, would be considered permitted speech. Stefanik is doing little more than bullying the witnesses.

[@ExplorHits]

The hearing lasted 5 hours but Elise Stefanik managed to expose them all in 3 min.

[@chatham43]

Is genocide acceptable? Depends on the context!

[@graphene1487]

Free speech. Have we forgotten?

[@soldat2501]

Sure, but when it comes to misgendering, it’s violence and students can be expelled. If they chant for genocide, that’s ok.

[@minjunhwang1170]

"Categories of speech that are given lesser or no protection by the First Amendment include ... speech integral to illegal conduct, speech that incites imminent lawless action..." This is what I found from Wikipedia ('United States free speech exceptions'). I am sure murdering a specific group of people in the society, which the mobs are calling for, is illegal in the US.

[@timpark1]

These women are presidents of our best colleges. Wtf!!! Are u serious... what is wrong with them.

[@retf054ewte3]

Time for revenge! 😂😂😂😂 Elise Stefanik Removed From Role At Harvard University 2 years ago.

[@tdz69]

Amazing to witness distinguished careers be extinguished. Three stooges up there.

[@jessicak.2465]

Getting the popcorn warmed up now 🍿

[@robert-dr8569]

I am tired of listening to these three who were trying to avoid issues and their responsibilities. How could they be elected?

[@lewgalicyjski2976]

What's with this obsession of american politicians to fiercely defending the Jewish minority?

[@Marcellus.Wallace]

Probably because the entire American elite consists of them.

[@chikkiboom4687]

It’s because people are saying that stating “From the River to the Sea, Palestine will be free” is calling for genocide. And protests on campus calling for a ceasefire have been labeled antisemetic. School meetings not allowing Zionists have been called antisemetic. So it really is context dependent cause none of those things are calling for genocide or are anti-S

[@JerryBagus-ul4pj]

Unbelievable. Turn the tables and you know the answer. Cowards

[@chrispatterson9689]

Can someone remind the congress woman there is the first amendment. if its not directed at a student or anyone its their right to say what ever they want. Harvard and Penn state know their laws. this congresswomen knows this.

[@DavesGuitarPlanet]

Right

[@linkphan761]

So calls for Jewish genocide are not directed at the Jews? Also calls for genocide are not protected by the first amendment.

[@Watcher6868]

She is on an obese power trip. A very confused and utterly biased person. I’m surprised she’s even in congress. She should resign or be thrown out like Santos the “credible god”

[@suzib10]

Can someone tell you to go back and revisit your high school Civics course? The 1st Amendment is not carte blanche to say whatever the hell you like. Many things are NOT protected by the 1st Amendment. Obscenity, child pornography, speech about illegal conduct, speech that incites 'imminent lawless action' are a few types of speech that aren't protected. There are copyright protections, as well as PROTECTIONS AGAINST POTENTIAL VIOLENCE. People cannot just say 'whatever they want'. And then you have a Code of Ethics at private universities on top of that. And a university should have a code that makes blatant calls for GENOCIDE a violation, at the very LEAST. So sorry to disappoint you, you'll have to scream for the eradication of the Jewish people maybe from the privacy of your own home.

[@cmilla1003]

can someone remind you that doesnt apply to private institutions. They are not charging people with a crime. Free speech applies to us regarding being charged or punished by the government. Universities are private institutions that have their own code of conduct and rules. Calling for a genocide is not only an actual calling of action but it also clearly is against their code of conduct and rules against hate speech, bullying, etc. You need to learn what is being discussed.

[@lightningpop8717]

Salary: $1, 000, 000 a year Answers: maybe it's not unless therefore possibly not

[@leonardsmith2198]

Seventeen times she refused to answer honestly!

[@janetc3707]

There is no "honest" answer to loaded questions and fictional accusations.

[@katherenewedic8076]

Where's the difference when you start censoring education? Education is about learning. stafanik is a self righteous bully and is making money hand over fist with individual, mass, and the carpet bombing murder of innocent individuals with her ties to weapons manufacturing and sales LEARN what free speech means

[@Anonymous-pm7jf]

I'm truly surprised you can count that high

[@busterbiloxi3833]

17 times she stood her ground.

[@Guy-Lewis]

In essence, each is saying that calls for genocide are acceptable. There could not worse come in their places. Meanwhile, American "Universities" are beset by melting-flake hysteria over imagined slights.

[@lalalol36]

Funny that they are sooooo angry but if Elon Musk does it they are cool with it.

[@Ainzleeriddell]

Why is Magill smirking? She’s odious.

[@euphony93]

This was a trap of a question. Yes, the answer should be a simple yes, but the problem is that people are calling for students to be expelled because they are calling for Palestinian freedom. Palestinian freedom does not mean genocide of Jewish people!

[@goodcomrade4231]

Yes, it was a trap of a question. These women should be smart enough to see this and know to say YES. That's the end of the discussion. Your point of how to interpret and treat other forms of criticism of Israel simply has no relevance to the questioning. These women weren't asked whether those other acts violated their school's code of conduct.

[@jasons5916]

You say yes and then the follow up question of "are you expelling these students" can get into the context weeds of what constitutes actual antisemitism. Like protesting a foreign government doesn't equate to calling for genocide. Even saying that country shouldn't exist doesn't mean you want the people living there killed or displaced. So their "context" response was better saved for later and they can push back against right wing redefinition of words like intifada, which they should be able to do if they are smart enough to be university presidents.

[@philipskalla4312]

It does mean genocide if Palestinian freedom means October 7.

[@SpikeAnon]

@@philipskalla4312 false flag by small hats, open your eyes

[@richd9683]

Palestinian freedom doesn't mean genocide of jews? Have you tried asking any palestinians?

[@avnitchopra2717]

Gobbles & Himmler would be immensely proud of Liz Macgil.. if they're alive today.

[@immersive8609]

Elise M. Stefanik thank you, You are incredible and I applaud you

[@nilla003]

What happens if someone gets "misgendered"?

[@brendanmiller2268]

Apparently calling for genocide doesn't amount to harassment or intimidation

[@dovbarleib3256]

If you called for the genocide of Arabs or Blacks, Campus Police would throw you off the Campus or put you in jail. Calling for the genocide of Jews on the same campuses would not result in the same outcome.

[@tore705]

Stefanik is very angry. She also lied.

[@panthergal7399]

Dispicable..no shame

[@robert-dr8569]

I don’t understand why and how these three universities leaders were selected… They just can’t give any honest answers to a clear and well-defined question by the sharp congresswoman

[@NechamaGluck]

They were chosen based on how well they would cater to Qatar and its interests. Which is exactly what they are doing in this video.

[@tinamiaouli9266]

It's interesting that I went to a school where racial slurs were directed at people of southern Mediterranean origin and never once did our principals do anything to stem the racial bullying. We just learned how to deal with it and got on with the job of studying and sitting for our university entrance exams. Not one person tried to protect students from racially motivated harassment in the school yard or after school.

[@silverwolf6866]

It's interesting how you can make up random generic sounding stories in KZbin comments section and think people will believe the BS.

[@TrumPina-h4m]

Did they call for genocide?

[@loganfruchtman953]

Complex answers for simple questions. As a Jewish American, Elise Stefanik is a hero to me.

[@donbemont7901]

Never heard or saw Elise Stefanik previously. I am repulsed by her bullying style and self-righteousness. To make matters worse, she is a conservative, yes? So she ought to be especially aware of the dangers of suppressing unpopular speech on college campuses -- which means that university officials MUST make nuanced distinctions between speech that is an actual threat and speech opponents simply dislike strongly. I'm far from sure that these university presidents are making the calls correctly. Like most people here, I have no first hand knowledge of what happened on the campuses. But I sure know Stefanik for a grandstander based on this. Both the left and the right need to be very careful about rewarding politicians who try to score points by calling for shutting down speech.

[@rudyperez1772]

Update: At least one of these presidents has resigned. Again, great job Elise calling out this racism. Depends on the context, What stinking context because racism is just that - racism. A toast to Elise Stefanic🥂. That being said, call out trump for 👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼 “Trump defends 2017 'very fine people' comments, calls Robert E. Lee 'a great general'President Donald Trump maintained he "answered perfectly" when he said there were "very fine people on both sides" of clashes at a white supremacist rally in Charlottesville, Virginia.Jacquelyn Martin/AP” Racism is Racism, Right, Elise Stefanic?

[@johnhiggins7970]

All they had to do was answer “yes or no” to the question. But it seemed they had the same talking part, curious, as if they were coached

[@DavesGuitarPlanet]

Well said, @donbemont7901

[@usaunited7332]

Sounds like you are ok with genocide.

[@NorayDom]

Genocide is contextual? How about a return to legalized slavery - contextual as well?

[@pillsburydoughboy1693]

Unfortunately, a loophole exists within the 13th amendment (the one that abolished slavery) which says “except as a punishment for a crime wherein the party shall have been duly convicted”.

[@cogitoergosum9069]

For all those saying, "the constitution protects free speech", no one in the video was contesting the students' constitutional rights. This was about whether the students' actions should be considered harassment/bullying under the code of conduct of these universities.

[@katherenewedic8076]

stafanik is a self righteous bully and is making money hand over fist with individual, mass, and the carpet bombing murder of innocent individuals with her ties to weapons manufacturing and sales LEARN what free speech means, just like one has a right to shoot people, one has a right to say anything except yelling fire in a crowded movie house. I am not a fan of a 2nd amendment with no boundaries, but you will when censorship is made law you will get to shoot me if I say something you don't like, so what is the point here?

[@jayce8001]

Not the job of congres to oversee that. That would be actually violating the first amendment.

[@robforrester3727]

And they attempted to explain the difference between speech and conduct. But they were effectively shouted down by an idiot.

[@wa1ufo]

Hate Speech is what it was, plain and simple.

[@cmilla1003]

@@jayce8001 no it actually is not when they were asked to investigate the matter by jewish students. When a university creates and uses a code of conduct yet blatantly disregards it when it comes to one thing, it can absolutely be investigated under discrimination of a protected class such as religion or race. They are not charging students for this speech, they are holding a university accountable to not enforcing a clear policy when it comes to jewish students who are being harassed and bullied. Again, I will sum this up for you. The speech itself is not under question by the government. It is the choice by Universities to ignore/allow a clear call to action of genocide against a protected class and their choices to invite speakers who use this language on campuses that get tax dollar funding. Please do some research and throw your biases out the window when making comments. It is clear you currently cant do that.