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Repairing Al Gore's Favorite Tube Amp - Fender Excelsior Pawn Shop Special Series

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The Guitologist

The Guitologist

Күн бұрын

This amp was part of the Fender amplifier series called the "Pawnshop Series". This series included the Ramparte, the Vaporizer, the Greta, and the amp you see here - the EXCELSIOR! It came to me cooking tubes and being generally rude, nasty, and sounding like a WAP. It was like the Cardi B of amplifiers. In this video, we'll troubleshoot and repair what's ailing it, namely some red plating power tubes, then we'll demo it with a PRS and a Stratocaster. Along the way, I'll show you some of the good and bad aspects of this model and we'll perform a couple tiny mods and rebias for early breakup.
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@dieterdeclercq
@dieterdeclercq 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Brad, just a few super serial technical remarks... 1. 6V6 is 12W, 6V6GT and JJ6V6S are 14W 2. the voltage to use in cathode bias calculations is the plate-to-cathode voltage, now you measured plate to ground (correct method for fixed bias amps), so subtract the voltage drop over the cathode resistor. 3. cathode bias is best at about 100% of max plate dissipation because increase in cathode current create a larger voltage drop across the cathode resistor and therefore bias it cooler, temporarily. in this amp i would leave the 470R bias resistor because: with Pa max = 14W, Rc = 470R and Vrc = 29,2V : Va = 369,8V (= 399 - 29,2) Irc = 29,2 / 470 = 62,1mA Pa = 0,0621 x 369,8 = 23W => 11,5W for 1 tube is already only 82% of max plate dissipation. with your 1K bias resistor you brought it down to: 36,5V / 1000 = 36,5mA 0,0365 x (432 - 36,5) = 14,4W for 2 tubes, which is ONLY 7,2W per tube Aiken amps has a good article on everything bias, please read up => www.aikenamps.com/the-last-word-on-biasing
@TheGuitologist
@TheGuitologist 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment. I am aware of the Aiken link already. Great site. You are correct on your math, and I appreciate the effort you put into writing it all out; however, there are some other considerations I think you might be missing with the focus on figures, and I'd like to address them. I already addressed #1 in the video. You are right that my max dissipation figure was wrong for a glass bottle 6V6GT (or JJ equivalent). You are correct on #2. That was an oversight on my part. Got stuck on autopilot and whiffed on measuring to cathode rather than ground. The actual effect on the numbers was not excessive in the end. Put me off by maybe 8%? Still a mistake, and I own it. Now on #3... This is NOT what Aiken says (that cathode biased amps can be biased to 100% dissipation at idle). What he says is you can usually "ignore the 70% rule". That's not the same as saying "bias to 100% at idle". I typically stick to the 70% rule even on cathode biased amps because, at the end of the day, it does not USUALLY affect the tone of the amps appreciably at jamming volumes, the amps run cooler overall (which is good for this guy because he wanted reliability and lower tube maintenance as his main mandate), and if anything, an amp running a bit cold will break up sooner on the dial and at lower volumes, which is what many players are looking for anyway, hence the obsession with attenuators these days. Although the onboard camera mic might not reproduce it faithfully as I'd like, the play test yielded a resulting tone that was acceptable to both TJ and I, and the objective of the customer was achieved.
@joseislanio8910
@joseislanio8910 3 жыл бұрын
@Alex Maurice no, no one cares about it.
@PeteBasel
@PeteBasel Жыл бұрын
@@TheGuitologist But you biased this amp to about 50% of max power. Try measuring the output power into a resistive load you loose power as you reduce the bias. 80% is probably a good compromise if you really don't want to replace tubes. It's most likely the screen voltage that's too high, I'd increase the PSU resistor to drop it to 330V relative to the cathode. I'm finding good JAN military tubes used at a decent price and am going to try them in our amp. It would be interesting if you measured power of amps that you work on before and after repair. Just below clipping with a waveform that visibly looks like a sinewave is usually below 1% distortion, give it a bit of clipping since these produce rated power at 10% distortion.
@Msoulantzos
@Msoulantzos 3 жыл бұрын
Screw social media! Your live chats are always great.
@TheGuitologist
@TheGuitologist 3 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoy them. I have fun in the chat. There are some funny SOBs in my comments sections.
@Msoulantzos
@Msoulantzos 3 жыл бұрын
@@TheGuitologist Sometimes I have too much fun that I have to go back to watch the video. And take the burnt food out of the oven D'Oh!
@JohnIainMcFarlanewaspfactor
@JohnIainMcFarlanewaspfactor 3 жыл бұрын
I watch you troubleshoot and feel nostalgic,even though Im only retired 6 months and still have people bringing work to me.Then I remember all the chasing around,getting nowhere and feel just fine.
@pyro-millie5533
@pyro-millie5533 3 жыл бұрын
I'm here for this "Shoddy ass Shit" LOL!! I love that you keep inserting south park clips as you try to sherlock holmes this mess haha. This is very chill but also funny and educational content. I love it, dude!
@whatyoumakeofit6635
@whatyoumakeofit6635 3 жыл бұрын
I have a excelsior and excelsior pro. Same amp. The pro jist came from fender with a eminence legend speaker. I run both those amps full bore and usually with a full or drive pedal. I absolutely love them. Great stereo rig. Ive mever jad a problem with either. Also, there is a femal surf music band called the "surfrajets". They all llay through excelsior amps. Bass and guitars
@russellhltn1396
@russellhltn1396 3 жыл бұрын
Bass too? I usually see a different rig on hers.
@marlobreding7402
@marlobreding7402 3 жыл бұрын
I believe the chassis ground studs were spot welded on.
@valuedhumanoid6574
@valuedhumanoid6574 3 жыл бұрын
I loved my Excelsior amp! I too had heating issues and ended up installing 4 fans from an old PC to keep it from burning up. After that it was very reliable.
@stephenhunter70
@stephenhunter70 3 жыл бұрын
And now you know what to do to fix the core issue!
@valuedhumanoid6574
@valuedhumanoid6574 3 жыл бұрын
@@stephenhunter70 I don't have it any more. Notice I said "loved" as in past tense. lol I would like to get another one though. Haven't seen them in my local shops though recently.
@taw6992
@taw6992 2 жыл бұрын
I had an Exelsior few years ago. It was ratteling from the very beginning. The ratteling stopped when I changed all the tubes. With an Eminence Legend 1518 and new JJ tubes, the amp was perfect !
@victorgan4126
@victorgan4126 Ай бұрын
Hi, and it never rattled again? I’m thinking that the frecuencies of the stock speaker in brown Excelsior is the cause of the rattle in the tubes. Because i have found that the people change the tubes and then starts to rattle again, but only with the brown one.
@TheGuitologist
@TheGuitologist 3 жыл бұрын
Hopefully this is Al Gorithm's favorite too. Let's help him out and leave a comment, eh? Numbnuts.
@trubadorphotography2541
@trubadorphotography2541 3 жыл бұрын
He INVENTED this amp (just like the internet), so... you know... 🧐😒🤣
@hansemannluchter643
@hansemannluchter643 3 жыл бұрын
@@trubadorphotography2541 Al Gorithm didn't invent "the internet", it was "the internets".. And their tubes 🤡🌍
@angusorvid8840
@angusorvid8840 3 жыл бұрын
Dude! You're hilarious! Ha Ha! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@Twobarpsi
@Twobarpsi 3 жыл бұрын
Don't forget Mrs. Gore. What a censoring bitch. Dems fail to mention that. Wonder WAP (sic) her opinion on Cardi B would be, in the 80s?
@jacobdowler1
@jacobdowler1 3 жыл бұрын
lmao
@teemoleague907
@teemoleague907 3 жыл бұрын
I remember when this series came out. The fender vaporizer was the best amp in the series.It had foot switch, jetson cab and reverb.
@TheGuitologist
@TheGuitologist 3 жыл бұрын
I think it was the coolest looking one. Was the Greta also part of this series?
@_-_Michael_-_
@_-_Michael_-_ 3 жыл бұрын
@@TheGuitologist yes she was
@timothyrogstad5577
@timothyrogstad5577 3 жыл бұрын
@@TheGuitologist Yes Greta was one and a cute little amp. I bought one for my daughter. It breaks up at 1/4 vol. Would love to see you overhaul one of those. Love your vids(guitar and politics)
@oneeyeddog6127
@oneeyeddog6127 3 жыл бұрын
I regret selling my vaporizer.
@teemoleague907
@teemoleague907 3 жыл бұрын
@@oneeyeddog6127 that amp had a taste tone. I miss mine too.
@electroKrunch
@electroKrunch 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you Brad! You brought me back from the YT maze of logical distortion!! Carry on....
@TheGuitologist
@TheGuitologist 3 жыл бұрын
Glad to help!
@gerardcousineau3478
@gerardcousineau3478 2 жыл бұрын
These amps were quite affordable a few years ago. After this tutorial I found them very desirable. And this teaching of yours make DIY easy. A few years ago you can buy one of these new for less than 300 CND that was a good deal. Thanks Brad and your friend excellent video. 👍
@G60syncro
@G60syncro 3 жыл бұрын
"That ground lug just popped right off... Shocking!" ...I see what you did there!!
@jamesvincent7239
@jamesvincent7239 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video!!! Really helped my navigate my own repair. I too lost power to all the filament heaters. At 30:55 in your video the same thing has happened to you. Such a mystery at first. But same as yours - the spade clip on mine was loose or corroded, both of them. But I still had full plate voltage and could hear the transformer working. This filament supply connection is definitely a weak link in the power supply chain. Great tip for any Excelsior owners. A good idea maybe be to put in a soldered connection here..
@pyroman6000
@pyroman6000 3 жыл бұрын
Got the chance to try one of these out, and loved the tremolo. Really sounded good to my ears! The amp tone was appropriately bluesy/swampy, too. Almost bought it for the tremolo, but didn't need an amp at the time- it was just one of those "Hey! they got one of these!" moments.
@chaoticembrace6984
@chaoticembrace6984 3 жыл бұрын
I own one- its a GREAT sounding amp !!! and iv ran mine for years with no problems....its a killer tube amp !!!
@tbonebruce
@tbonebruce 3 жыл бұрын
I have one of these Excelsiors which I use primarily as a harp amp, but also for guitar. An Eminence Legend 1518 is a great speaker for these amps. I swapped the tone switch for a proper treble cut tone control, and modified the preamp stage by dropping the preamp voltage, and changing the 3.3k cathode resistor on V1a to 2.7k. I wanted to keep the "Valco" vibe, snd they used 220k-270k plate resistors with 2.7k cathode. If you change the values to typical Fender 100k and 1.5k you pretty much get a 6G2 Princeton preamp... Other mods I made were a footswitch jack for the tremolo, and put V1b's bypass cap on a switch, which cleans the amp up, but keeps that budget amp vibe....
@nicholasstanziola
@nicholasstanziola 3 жыл бұрын
Here's a comment for Al! Thanks, again, for bringing us along for the experience.
@trevorhaddox6884
@trevorhaddox6884 3 жыл бұрын
Oh my God you plugged a guitar into the "accordion" input! You just can't do that! I'm super cereal!
@SuperJiggawhat
@SuperJiggawhat 3 жыл бұрын
Where can I find that super cereal?
@SuperJiggawhat
@SuperJiggawhat 3 жыл бұрын
@Busta SpeekerI miss toys in my cereal.
@frigglebiscuit7484
@frigglebiscuit7484 3 жыл бұрын
@@SuperJiggawhat i miss being able to eat cereal. if i do now, ill shit myself....
@SuperJiggawhat
@SuperJiggawhat 3 жыл бұрын
@@frigglebiscuit7484 I'm sorry man, that's shite.
@sstorholm
@sstorholm 3 жыл бұрын
MOSFETs are quite neat, they work almost exactly like a triode valve, and if you adjust the voltage in a tube amp design you can substitute all triodes with MOSFETs, Session did exactly that in the 80s.
@TheGuitologist
@TheGuitologist 3 жыл бұрын
I have played some really great sounding mosfet amps. SS can be very good.
@gphone9619
@gphone9619 3 ай бұрын
Still loving my Session Rockette since 1986 !
@WalkenDead
@WalkenDead 3 жыл бұрын
You can blame that design on the penny pinchers at corporate. Somebody said "we can save .02 cents per unit" and they went with it. I see it all the time on some of the cars I work on.
@jeffholliday8304
@jeffholliday8304 3 жыл бұрын
Mike Campbell is a big fan of the Excelsior
@hkguitar1984
@hkguitar1984 3 жыл бұрын
That shielding could have been shorting and causing the red-plating. I noticed the same with my Excelsior. Also, I did replace the speaker with a custom re-coned that really makes all the difference in the world. Originally I had planned to add a Tone Control Mod., however after replacing/upgrading the speaker it is fine as is.
@lroyshredding3850
@lroyshredding3850 3 жыл бұрын
Brad is the Louis Rossman of Tube Amps 🤟😎
@TheMentalblockrock
@TheMentalblockrock 3 жыл бұрын
He's the "Bob Ross" of """tube""" amps.
@daw162
@daw162 3 жыл бұрын
@@TheMentalblockrock "just take the capacitor out and beat the devil out of it...just like that."
@daw162
@daw162 3 жыл бұрын
@@TheMentalblockrock "titanium hwite resistors, pthalo blue knobs, cadmium yellow wires".
@jessemontano762
@jessemontano762 3 жыл бұрын
Mosdef the louis rossman
@zoomzoom3950
@zoomzoom3950 3 жыл бұрын
The Excelsior Pro has a few improvements, namely an upgraded speaker. I dig mine; I also have the Vaporizer; both are surf green. Also have a DecoTone. They sound great, and the prices were reasonable, except for the DecoTone. No overheating problems on any of them.
@noisefuljoy
@noisefuljoy 3 жыл бұрын
That resistor was more physically stable down on the board, but is of course better dissipating heat off it. I wonder if a little standoff on each end could be made to keep the weight of that wirewound from working at the leads and solder joints. Only a concern if it's getting banged around. of course.
@alperez8062
@alperez8062 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the Vid...I own a Vaporizer and I had not played it in a couple of years and when I turned it on, the reverb did not work. Got is going by cleaning the RCA jack that goes to the spring reverb unit. Hope the rest of the connections stay good!
@generalawareness101
@generalawareness101 3 жыл бұрын
When I used to repair vintage electronics I would replace any resistors I saw discoloured on the board with the next wattage up or the one above that depending on space. It sure helped as I had more than few that would blister you as soon as you touched them then go up from say 2W to 5W and mildly hot and go to a 7, or 10W if it would fit, and you could rest your finger on it.
@andomi
@andomi 3 жыл бұрын
I really was especting at min 10 to see some smoke getti g out of the nice resistor box. You replaced the 10W cathode resistor for a who knows how much dissipation can hold those inside the box...
@donaldfilbert4832
@donaldfilbert4832 3 жыл бұрын
I was thinking the same thing !! The resistor boxes I have had contained 1/4 watt resistors !! Seems they would burn out quickly !!
@russellhltn1396
@russellhltn1396 3 жыл бұрын
I looked it up. The box has 1W resistors. (I was halfway expecting 1/2W.) Still, I wouldn't run it for very long.
@dlunsford1980
@dlunsford1980 3 жыл бұрын
Those mosfets have pretty high voltage specs and can essentially be used in place of a triode.
@kennethluebberke8216
@kennethluebberke8216 3 жыл бұрын
Great stuff Brad, I'm super cereal! The repair and the SP clips....too funny
@GabrielVelasco
@GabrielVelasco 2 күн бұрын
Do not replace the speaker! The Fender Special Design speaker is part of the charm and uniqueness of this amp. Lots of people change this speaker thinking that they're doing themselves a favor, but they're not. Does anyone think that Fender didn't try other speakers in there when they designed it? They were probably designing the circuit with Jensens before they got the first bespoke speakers for this amp. Historically, bespoke stuff ends up being more a lot more valuable to collectors.
@imannonymous7707
@imannonymous7707 3 жыл бұрын
I've never seen one of these it's got a nice voice with a a little bite and sum hair on it .for sure....Brad saves the day
@riverman-mk8pn
@riverman-mk8pn 3 жыл бұрын
Sounds great after the fix, to me. Does the speaker stay? Just thinking that the lower frequencies were shaking the joints/connections and therefore = breakup. I'm Celestion Vintage 30 only. But that's just me. People buy this stuff looking for a "deal" anyway. What I do. If I get burnt, I can take the loss. That's the game. We're here and watchin'. Good stuff. Norm.
@frogbastard
@frogbastard 3 жыл бұрын
Hey Brad,great video.I have one of these amps And have barely used it.Got rid of the crappy tubes it came with.Will check out the mod and also check all grounds as that can be a source of many problems. Cheers,and keep the videos coming.
@gliblyaware
@gliblyaware 10 ай бұрын
This amp with a JBL D130 is something special.
@pauldavis6356
@pauldavis6356 3 жыл бұрын
Tip the cabinet on its side to lengthen the umbilical cord.
@TheGuitologist
@TheGuitologist 3 жыл бұрын
Great tip! Sometimes you just gotta look at things from a different angle.
@adamimberti6948
@adamimberti6948 3 жыл бұрын
@@TheGuitologist Remove it and sell the stem cells to Nancy Pelosi.
@TheGuitologist
@TheGuitologist 3 жыл бұрын
@@adamimberti6948 Nancy gets the adreno chrome.
@Msoulantzos
@Msoulantzos 3 жыл бұрын
@@adamimberti6948 Not if Christopher Butthole Reeve gets the cells first!
@JaniceLalla
@JaniceLalla 3 жыл бұрын
Good troubleshooting and outcome
@paul2602
@paul2602 3 жыл бұрын
Bonus points for the Jimmy Smith.👍👍
@blakejones6648
@blakejones6648 3 жыл бұрын
Ohhhhhh gotcha, the South Park bit. Carry on everyone
@jacobdowler1
@jacobdowler1 3 жыл бұрын
love these videos Brad. Can't wait to see the rest of those guitar catalogs that one of your subscribers sent in awhile back:)
@SuperJiggawhat
@SuperJiggawhat 3 жыл бұрын
Cool stuff man, thanks for uploading this. I had a Mesa Boogie Mini Rec that used to cook tubes.The amp ran off of el84 tubes. I was told that el84 are designed to burn hot, and that was the issue but I've always wondered until now. You are a great teacher brother.
@Eddy63
@Eddy63 3 жыл бұрын
You had me at that shot of bourbon at the beginning ... lol ... That amp sounds great to me and I have a PRS CE 24 with the knob that has 5 positions , black faced head stock ... Good vid ...
@TheGuitologist
@TheGuitologist 3 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure, but this one is a 2002 CE24, and it probably originally had a 5-way rotary too.
@lichkrieg4898
@lichkrieg4898 3 жыл бұрын
Man, modern fender don't make em like modern mesa lol. But seriously good stuff, your amp repair vids are always A++ 110% good. it's like I'm not even learning.
@whatsstefon
@whatsstefon 3 жыл бұрын
On your initial test of the bias using your decade box, have you got a speaker or dummy load connected? Is that socket sitting above the board you have piggybacked your decade box to a speaker socket? Could be why you were getting the bias runaway? I've made that mistake once or twice and immediately figured it out before killing something.
@Gutch220
@Gutch220 3 жыл бұрын
they really should have put a small spring reverb tank on the side of the cabinet for these amps.
@lordspam2721
@lordspam2721 3 жыл бұрын
I just bought one of these last week. Has a fender speaker with a bigger magnet. Hopefully I will have good luck with it. When I got it, I had to tap a power tube for it to work properly. Swapped power tubes and the problem followed the tube
@mikewhelan9561
@mikewhelan9561 3 жыл бұрын
who hasn't said "that accordion needs to be louder".
@filonome
@filonome 3 жыл бұрын
this video is super serial. manbearpig certainly must have sabotaged this amp to get back at the inventor of the series of tubes we call interwebs.
@andysick5277
@andysick5277 3 жыл бұрын
Al Gore said in 2008 the Arctic would be free of ice by 2013. Ooopsie
@tonyduncan9852
@tonyduncan9852 3 жыл бұрын
There have been MANY Ooopsies since, and mostly worse ones, in the wrong direction. Don't catch fire about it, it's just your pants.
@TheGuitologist
@TheGuitologist 3 жыл бұрын
He also said ManBearPig would kill us all.
@mikemccann978
@mikemccann978 3 жыл бұрын
@@TheGuitologist He was super cereal about it.
@tonyduncan9852
@tonyduncan9852 3 жыл бұрын
@@TheGuitologist MBP? 520K is a good start, I would have thought.
@BlueCollarLogic
@BlueCollarLogic 3 жыл бұрын
Wait! My nuts ARE numb! How the hell does Brad diagnose these issues sight-unseen? Impressive.
@TheGuitologist
@TheGuitologist 3 жыл бұрын
Nuts are among a group of ailing parts I always diagnose from a distance. ;)
@martinpark8371
@martinpark8371 3 жыл бұрын
nice video brad i got one of these amps they sound old and cool i also have the greta great little amp which i use every day would love to see you do the greta man!!
@sstorholm
@sstorholm 3 жыл бұрын
The reason the ground lug wasn’t drilled through is because the protective earth need to be attached to a fastener that can’t be undone from outside the device, and that doesn’t perform any other function. This is usually done by spot welding the stud to the chassis, which seems to have been done poorly or not at all on this device. The safety idea behind that arrangement makes sense, but you can’t stop to wonder if it would just have been better to use a bolt instead.
@TheGuitologist
@TheGuitologist 3 жыл бұрын
I think in this case, the regulation failed utterly in its intent.
@StephenTack
@StephenTack 3 жыл бұрын
A pot in place of that tone switch is another winning mod.
@chrisevans1546
@chrisevans1546 3 жыл бұрын
This is the best video on youtube, and I'm being super serial.
@rcjward
@rcjward 3 жыл бұрын
The thumbnail for the video is hilarious!
@tlinrin887
@tlinrin887 3 жыл бұрын
That ground stud looks like it was friction welded, if done properly would give a better connection between thr screw and chassis. Also if I remember right I paid like $200 for mine new then sold it a year ago for $300.
@bassweld
@bassweld 3 жыл бұрын
I thought that too. A welded stud that broke because it wasn’t welded properly. Quality control. I’m sure they could have a machine insert an actual screw to save 1 cent per amp. Sheesh.
@TheBigGuppy
@TheBigGuppy 3 жыл бұрын
There isn't much to those things. I guess the marketing strategy was based on cosmetics
@shredderfly
@shredderfly 3 жыл бұрын
100%...and it's working. I still want one lol
@TheGuitologist
@TheGuitologist 3 жыл бұрын
The definitely got some things right. The chassis mounted tube sockets is superior to about 95% of the stuff in its price range. They didn't skimp on that important feature.
@abelincoln95
@abelincoln95 3 жыл бұрын
Great vijeo, Brad and some great noodling by TJ!!
@dannydine5263
@dannydine5263 3 жыл бұрын
What I noticed about this amp is that for an amp with a 15" speaker it sure is thin and trebly sounding.
@cruelcuts
@cruelcuts 2 жыл бұрын
It's got a light/ dark switch if the sound is too bright. Switched to dark, it sounds great with strats.
@dannydine5263
@dannydine5263 2 жыл бұрын
@@cruelcuts Oh OK, it's been a long time I might have missed seeing that switch.
@scarmyguitar
@scarmyguitar 3 жыл бұрын
Never got a notification for this one either!
@TheGuitologist
@TheGuitologist 3 жыл бұрын
No surprise there.
@thomaskafafian2871
@thomaskafafian2871 3 жыл бұрын
I gotta say, those chassis look ripe for a point to point project. They could have at the very least spent a few more bucks, get rid of the circuit boards and put in turret boards, it would be 1500 dollar amp all day long. It would be an easy modification to do. Layout is nice and clean.
@TheGuitologist
@TheGuitologist 3 жыл бұрын
I know. Why not do the majority of them with the PCB and then do a small run of hand wired ones? Upgrade the transformers a bit and wire on turret boards... Do it in China. Hit a $1000 price point with a better speaker. Could have been cool.
@thomaskafafian2871
@thomaskafafian2871 3 жыл бұрын
@@TheGuitologist higher wattage speaker too. They barely missed on these. I might have to get one and do it up. The parts are all there. It would just take a little solder.
@TonyClarkGuitar
@TonyClarkGuitar 3 жыл бұрын
The amp sounds like someone is playing inside a cardboard box. That was the issue I had with the Blues Jr amp too.
@TheNohcim
@TheNohcim 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah...pretty rough
@TonyClarkGuitar
@TonyClarkGuitar 3 жыл бұрын
I mean honestly, this amp sounds like hot garbage mixed with wet dog shit.
@flhusa1
@flhusa1 3 жыл бұрын
on those female spade connectors i squeeze the very back of each side so it starts on easy and gets tight all the way on.
@johnthornburg4049
@johnthornburg4049 3 жыл бұрын
ha ha - had one of those. I replaced the speaker with an eminence. Fender offered a more expensive version that came with the same eminence (but with a fender label on it). So fender did this too. Also, swap out that tone switch (switches in a 470K resistor in and out) with a 470K or 500K tone pot (this is from memory, and memory is not so good - so please verify)! It makes it a nicer amp. I am listening to it now so you have not fixed it yet (in my listening) so I don't know what the fix is yet.
@celticfury7328
@celticfury7328 3 жыл бұрын
Always thought this series of amps was pretty cool for what they were. The Vaporizer was the best out of the three usable offerings (the Greta micro amp was about as useless as hen's teeth) imho, with its "total bypass, full tilt boogie at maximum 11 watt blastage with no pots or controls in the way of the pure raging maxed volume tone" feature...that little bugger absolutely SCREAMED through those twin 10 inchers when you hit that bypass switch! It looked pretty damned cool doing it too, with almost evil "black widow" grill opening. Wouldn't mind getting my hands on one, especially the red tolex version, if anyone out there in inter-webber-fier land wants to part with theirs for the right price (nudge nudge wink wink...)! Excellent job as per usual, Brad, I'm being thooper cereal!
@briancoonrod7224
@briancoonrod7224 3 жыл бұрын
Very cool little amp nice sav on the heat stroke and cheap ass ground lug 👍👍 Thanks for the great content !!!
@JamesMcCutcheon
@JamesMcCutcheon 3 жыл бұрын
Corporate Amplifier Companies don't care about the Musicians. They put the shit out there and we buy it LOL.
@googaboogaloo
@googaboogaloo 3 жыл бұрын
I love mine. I swapped the speaker for an eminence red coat
@tommytomcat1a
@tommytomcat1a 3 жыл бұрын
I had one of these (sold it to Michael Lee of The Voice fame) and it was cool for the $300 shipped I paid for it. The speaker had no redeeming qualities. I put a Weber 15F125 and it dramatically improved the tone. This circuit needs to have a 500KL (linear) pot in place of that all treble or all bass tone switch. That improved the amp almost as much as the speaker replacement. It's best tones are in between where those tone switch settings are. I bought it with plans to one day gut it and put some non trem variant of a 5E3 in there.. which is what this is anyway.. But I got laid off, sold all my stuff and moved to Mexico.
@russellhltn1396
@russellhltn1396 3 жыл бұрын
Just as a thought, when replacing the resistor, how about putting it on the other side of the board so the heat will go up to the chassis and not the PCB?
@TheGuitologist
@TheGuitologist 3 жыл бұрын
This isn't a double-sided board, so there's a pad only on the one side to solder to. It's doable, but another solution might be to route out the underside of the resistor area like was done on the other board.
@pedraw
@pedraw 3 жыл бұрын
Right on Brad......................amp repair and Kentucky Bourbon..........life at it's finest
@Patrick-857
@Patrick-857 6 ай бұрын
Seems pretty simple to work on compared to most modern amps. Do a few mods to make ot reliable and you're good.
@douro20
@douro20 3 жыл бұрын
Personally I would take the bias resistor off the PCB and mount it to the chassis, especially to get it away from that electrolytic capacitor.
@davidplatt8915
@davidplatt8915 3 жыл бұрын
Fascinating. Shit's way over my head but I enjoy watching you sleuth it all out. And, was that an old PLUSH amp head sitting on the floor underneath the stool your buddy was playing on at the end of the vid? Thought it was a Kustom at first but it didn't look quite right then may have caught a peek at part of the logo. Am I remembering that correctly? If so, man, that takes me back in time a lot of years. Keep up the vids, Brad. I look forward to 'em.
@TheGuitologist
@TheGuitologist 3 жыл бұрын
It is a PLUSH indeed. Here is a link to the video where I serviced it a few years back: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aqXNin5odtmcbbs
@davidplatt8915
@davidplatt8915 3 жыл бұрын
@@TheGuitologist [cheech&chongvoice] "Diamond tuck 'n roll man!" [cheech&chongvoice] Thanks Brad!
@chokkan7
@chokkan7 3 жыл бұрын
Beats me why Fender's marketing department wanted to build a re-issue of a Valco-style amp, when they could have just re-issued the tweed Deluxe: essentially the same guts and similar sound to this scrap pile...good job, Brad...
@biglutherie
@biglutherie 3 жыл бұрын
Just as I was sure I had seen everything, the Al Gore Rhythm sent me this.
@alvagoldbook2
@alvagoldbook2 3 жыл бұрын
Those damn amps. Fender never should have put PCBs in those amps.
@watkinscopicat
@watkinscopicat 3 жыл бұрын
the only amp with a built in shower hose!
@277southtombob
@277southtombob 3 жыл бұрын
I bet the ground lug was supposed to be spot welded in there and they didn’t get a decent weld on it. I imagine a robot welded it together.
@BazBear65
@BazBear65 3 жыл бұрын
Another great video Brad! Who built that Strat TJ was playing?
@draysum1234
@draysum1234 3 жыл бұрын
Just wondering, would it be a good idea to install computer fans inside these amp circuits to reduce the heat they generate?
@_-_Michael_-_
@_-_Michael_-_ 3 жыл бұрын
No
@peterday7077
@peterday7077 3 жыл бұрын
Not a bad sounding amp. And it definitely sounds like a Fender.
@gobigrey9352
@gobigrey9352 2 жыл бұрын
Not sure how I missed this video. Always wanted one of these amps but I have a couple tweed deluxe clones and I figure they're too similar to justify getting one.
@danielsaturnino5715
@danielsaturnino5715 3 жыл бұрын
What, no chicken pickin' ? :) sounds nice to me. Well done.
@michaelstokes4497
@michaelstokes4497 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Brad. As always supereb video. The 1K 10W resistor is going to flap around under virbration when the amp is cranked up. Perhaps a means of support to de-stress the leads and more importantly the solder joint would be good. A single ceramic or cheaper metal spacer each end of the lead. What do you think?
@TheGuitologist
@TheGuitologist 3 жыл бұрын
Standoffs wouldn't be a bad idea, but I think it'll be ok. This resistor doesn't have that much more mass than the other power resistors which are stood off the board. I doubt the vibrations of notes will dislodge it. The only thing that would dislodge it would be mishandling of the amp, but that kind of force would also dislodge any number of other things, including the ground lugs, apparently.
@michaelstokes4497
@michaelstokes4497 3 жыл бұрын
@@TheGuitologist Hi Brad. Certainly manhandling will cause stress fractures added after heat and sound vibrations after a good session. Having come from 30 years designing and certifying aviation electrical and avionic systems, we would design out a single level failure of this type. Amps are not subject to the same vibrations, but with PCB construction maybe turret terminals so as to provide ventilation and mechanical protection. two problems solved.
@TheGuitologist
@TheGuitologist 3 жыл бұрын
I think your solutions are great suggestions.
@w13rdguy
@w13rdguy 3 жыл бұрын
Well, it's cool _looking_ , and the spkr is up off the floor. Definitely worth the trouble, I'd say.
@l6srob990
@l6srob990 3 жыл бұрын
Brad your soldering skills are excellent to watch
@curtisabbott1991
@curtisabbott1991 3 жыл бұрын
I have some Black Widows lying around. Would one of those be a worthwhile speaker upgrade ?
@ctcards2636
@ctcards2636 2 жыл бұрын
What type of speaker did they end up putting in this to replace the old one? Just curious
@theshanebrownproject
@theshanebrownproject 3 жыл бұрын
Hey man. great video. I've been giging with this amp for a few years. what speaker would you upgrade to for better lows?
@GavinEhringer
@GavinEhringer 21 күн бұрын
The Eminence Legend 1815 sounds great and gives you more clean headroom and better lows.
@williammiller9584
@williammiller9584 3 жыл бұрын
I see I'm late to the party. The ground post is a stud welded to the chassis, which is why it didn't go through or have a screw head. Looks like either a faulty weld or the nut was over torqued, so attributable to lousy quality control unless someone was in this amp before you and overtightened the nut. I'm somewhat nonplussed that you didn't check what I assume is the cathode bypass cap for leakage. It says it's rated for 105 degrees C, but it sits right next to the cathode resistor so it's been cooking. Have you ever checked your resistor substitution box to see what the wattage rating on the resistors is? I strongly doubt it's ten watts. BTW, that box references "RTMA values". RTMA was the name for what is now the Electronic Industries Alliance. The name RTMA was in use only from 1950 to 1953. How old is your box?
@bobbyb7127
@bobbyb7127 Жыл бұрын
at :25, above the speaker, there are 2 tubes, on mine it's 2 metal round things and look nothing likes tubes. Do you know what they are?
@Channelscruf
@Channelscruf 3 жыл бұрын
I have one of these. Love it!
@JamesMcCutcheon
@JamesMcCutcheon 3 жыл бұрын
Curious does the Excelsior have a BIas Shifting Tremelo. I just purchased one of these amplifiers and I love this amp.
@audiotechlabs4650
@audiotechlabs4650 3 жыл бұрын
Brad, what would you say were the main reasons output tubes redline? I know improper bias is one, but are there any more? What about the coupling caps that feed the grids of the output tubes? They leak DC to the grids? You would know.....that’s why I ask so many questions. This amp is a sleeper tweed! Love from NW Colorado. Thanxz
@frigglebiscuit7484
@frigglebiscuit7484 3 жыл бұрын
laughed my ass off at the ground part. good lord.
@toshioyamada3311
@toshioyamada3311 3 жыл бұрын
"Behold this shotty ass shit!" lol
@alohamark3025
@alohamark3025 3 жыл бұрын
Hey, imagine if evolution granted man three hands instead of two? Your mod would have been easier to install. Personally, I prefer the Excalibur amp. It cuts through the mix. Got it?
@lorcanfeely6371
@lorcanfeely6371 3 жыл бұрын
Did they not drill through the chassis for the ground because of appearances maybe? Only reason I can think of.
@TheGuitologist
@TheGuitologist 3 жыл бұрын
It's probably on the schedule of CE regulations or something, having to do with a ground lug being accessible from the outside. What was supposed to be a safety feature became a flaw.
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