Republican Evolution | Chapo Trap House

[@romanmanner]

Today’s GOP is the right wing Internet come to life. It’s as if every comment board in that space came to life.

[@jj947]

The modern right is more addicted to the computer than libs ever were

[@akumakorgar]

Next RNC chairman; Nick Fuentes

[@ananousous]

The Fascist in the Cupboard

[@williamwestmoreland4069]

I mean, to play devil's advocate, isn't that how it should be in a nominally democratic society? The left is just as frustrated that its internet-centric populism is stymied by establishment types who dismiss them as "overly online whiners who don't know how the real world works"

[@DawryMike]

​@@williamwestmoreland4069​ The distinction is that the Democratic establishment is explicitly hostile to the wishes of its base. Yes, indulging the whims of every fringe crackpot who has an opinion is not smart. But outright ignoring the policy positions shared by most of your base is a good way to alienate succeeding generations from the political process altogether. We're seeing the consequence of this sort of "adult in the room" politics in the fact that Democrats have been hemorrhaging support from minority groups. People who, rightfully so, see no reason to support a Democratic Party who refuses to acknowledge their interests in any meaningful way and are therefore opting not to engage.

[@aquaticborealis4877]

Conservative politics has been in a downward spiral for years. Rush Limbaugh and Bill O’reilly were a sign of how bad it was getting. They hated how truth, freedom, and progress undermined their loss of control. The mechanism that helped drive this is economic disparity, especially in rural areas (ironically created by conservative economic policy). Another major part of it was marginalized Christians who separated themselves from mainstream society, starting with home schooling. This led to a very distorted world view. Another major part of it is straight up racism. Some of it seeing black people make progress, some of it seeing brown people coming across the border, some of it religious racism, especially against Islam (“they will replace us”). But the biggest aspect is the echo chambers of social media and the anger amplifying algorithms and conspiracy. Conservatives quickly learned to weaponize that. You see massive numbers of paid right wing trolls, disinformation brokers, and bots. There are also various unethical corporations that leverage this, particularly when it comes to undermining environmental issues. The conservative movement is deeply sick at this point. In a way that is disturbingly similar to pre-Nazi Germany.

[@caseyremington7162]

There is an illusion of progress, so long as the credit starts pumping. Once it stops, then this progress unravels for what it is. A coping mechanism that does not address the very premises of one's material conditions.

[@funguswungus2918]

On a serious note, it seems like quite a few reactionaries learned too late the contradictions between free-market capitalism and “muh traditional values” and are having a permanent nervous breakdown amid this realization, thus making them extremely annoying as of late.

[@doctorbarber1]

One might even be led to think that conservatives weren't entirely sincere when they spent decades extolling the inerrant hand of the free market. Seems like it might have been a dog whistle and excuse to brutalize their enemies in the culture war who traditionally had less access to capital. So now in 2024, when they see a same sex couple in an insurance commercial or a trans product spokesperson, they reject the holy sacrament of the market adjusting to trends in society in favor of fascism.

[@keithjackewicz8423]

@@doctorbarber1 Or, and I know this might be shocking, Republicans were always coalitional, and different parts of the coalition believe and prioritize different things. I agree that right wing politics is, at bottom, a defense of hierarchy, but it does the Left no favors to collapse and ignore the genuine political, moral, and tactical distinctions between different factions of the enemy.

[@tinfoilslacks3750]

They're not though, they're just electing to have their cake and eat it too. When the free market appeals to or bolsters culture they don't like, it just doesn't count. Simple as.

[@joshuamarx8209]

​@@keithjackewicz8423One mind. Brute force. In It for the money. Nothing else about them needs to be analyzed. Just strategized and prepared for.

[@doctorbarber1]

@@000-t3c-i5u I have no idea how you read my comment and came to the conclusion that I'm saying we need more 👏gay👏CEOs. I'm describing how right wing bigots used appeals to the inerrant, infallible hand of the free market as a rhetorical attack vector against their enemies. It was flimsy window dressing for their fascism, as illustrated by the fact that they dropped it the minute they saw two men holding hands in a life insurance commercial. You're really, really confused if you think I'm saying we need more minority ownership of homeless incinerators.

[@Oceanmachine27]

I know it's not strictly comparable, but the conservative cultural attitude reminds me a lot of when John Dolan was describing the psychic condition of slave states prior to the civil war. It wasn't enough that their life of slavery was *allowed*, it had to be enthusiastically adopted and praised by others. Even under doughfaces like Pierce or Buchanan, they acted like hysterical, petulant children when it was suggested that anyone didn't share their views or (horror of horrors) actively opposed them.

[@keithjackewicz8423]

Becoming is a bitch.

[@mgm8822]

All of the weirdos they were talking about are getting angry in the comment section.

[@brandonthesteele]

20:12 I've observed a part of this, lots of posts and accounts recently adopting a hyper-literalist view of the Bible and labeling others who argue with them "exegeticals". It's baffling, outside of solipsistic or vibes-based indulgence: "when I read the Bible, the True Meaning is beamed into my brain by God, and anyone who contradicts me are the ones artificially inserting stuff into the text" (you know, like the context in which it was written, implications of translations, other valid ways of interpretation, etc) To clock them, look for the phrase "plain reading".

[@realitywins9020]

It's ironic seeing as their 'plain reading' of the text is a complete twisting of the text in order to justify their racism, sexism and homophobia /transphobia. When an actual plain reading of the text shows that financial greed and a neglect of the poor are the biggest sins and the anti LGBTQ verses are about abuse and non consenting acts

[@chazmcgooski83]

⁠@@realitywins9020 “Their reading of the text isn’t plain BUT MY reading of the text is plain.” You’re just another subjective interpreter.

[@thermodynamics458]

I live about 5000 miles away from modern American Republicans. I’d like to make that 7000.

[@BNardolilli]

Chapo early on the "Weird" attack

[@funguswungus2918]

2000s conservatives got irreperably traumatized by Reddit Fedora Athiests circa 2011. Oh my Science!

[@johngleason1776]

The frequent use of the word "weird" in this video has aged really well

[@myfaveisdabestestyaaas7673]

So glad the algorithm brought me to your channel. I low key feel like you've been listening to my conversations

[@ARV1999]

Well chapo is a CIA psy op, so they probably have been listening to your conversations.

[@jm6406]

@@ARV1999 yeah i heard will's dad was head of the cia and he came up with the idea of a podcast that makes you a bernie bro

[@jaydinledford6990]

It's true, MKULTRA was actually a secret Soviet program

[@Hamun002]

The last time I saw anything about DeSantis and Disney it seemed like Disney secured full control over the legal entity that governs the property locally. Don’t think it was a win for him

[@MattMangels]

Disney will control that property until the end of King Charles' bloodline. Not a joke, look it up.

[@Hamun002]

@@MattMangels I’m good, just purging this thing I learned from me. Need to let the ichor out

[@deathmagneto-soy]

Love me some Osita. He always has an interesting read on things.

[@inprofile741]

Republican Soyvolution

[@nerag7459]

Its an odd political party in a democracy that opposes democracy.

[@GaigeGrosskreutzGunClub]

to be fair, democracy kinda sucks if you want to get anything done, be it heinous or helpful

[@nerag7459]

@@GaigeGrosskreutzGunClub No democracy is reflecting the peoples opinion on what you are doing. Its your job to convince them its worth doing.

[@KatBrat808]

The party of “small government” wants to micromanage your life….book police, genital police, uterus police, ‘don’t say gay’ police….

[@caseyremington7162]

@@nerag7459 , if democracy is a matter of fealty to the institutions and not much else, then it has been a farce, from Carter (the original neoliberal) onwards. Democracy at this point is bankrupt. Either it perishes or gets renewed by actions outside of its purview.

[@4DRC_]

It does feel like there’s a bit of a digital tent revival movement right now

[@kyleissuperdupercool]

Girst and fay

[@andrewbaumann2661]

​​@ItsNotUnusual-mp5qd Aath's Twsome!

[@flapjack9311]

Gay to wo!

[@MarkSynthesis]

Being a foreign-born atheist (from East Asia*, i.e. "Open, self-declared atheism has been pretty mundane here for about a century, even in countries that haven't had an anti-clerical Marxist-Leninist revolution like China."), from a family with a Confucian and Buddhist background, I'm not really convinced by the argument "You see, the (new American) atheists beat the conservatives, and they never recovered." Then again, I live in a conservative stronghold, Georgia, where less than 1% of the population would identify themselves as atheists, and "In God we Trust" still completely dominates the civic arena even in places that vote Democrat. Even a biologist like Dawkins has openly espoused leftist economic principles (state intervention, redistribution, deliberate pursuit of reducing the wealth gap) that Southern Democrats range from "we firmly reject this and will run against it" to "this is Russian communist subversion", and assuredly the Southern Republicans like Kemp are only more in opposition. Maybe the Chapo boys and their guests are seeing a very different brand of conservative in the northeast, but otherwise, nothing like that down here: God is still very much a Republican, and on the other side, Republicans are all still very much on Team God, which is why there are zero "New Atheists" anywhere near elected office or the party machinery. *We may have to exclude South Korea, but the rest of Asia, including Asian Russia and the Central Asia Republics, see that as a religious freak show thanks to the American occupation.

[@aw2031zap]

If you were living in the US during GWB, you would know what's being said. During GWB, everything that came out of GWB's mouth was christian preaching. Trump opens his mouth and can't even quote the bible correctly one time.

[@Taurox220]

This is a very off description of Georgia. You must not live in a city if you this has been what you encountered

[@Account.for.Comment]

​@@Taurox220Georgia is Atlanta surrounded by rural Trump countries. Republican still win the governor race and most elected office.

[@ChewyThomson]

I live in South Korea and aside from the cults, which are an issue, like 50% of the population is non-religious and the Christians I do know usually just go to church to hang with their friends. I dunno what the average Korean person thinks of America but I think "mild concern" is probably pretty accurate.

[@__WONTFIX__]

This is what’s so key about Jordan Peterson, he’s the bridge between the Militant Atheist movement and the Right Wing Christian “the West must be defended” of the 00s; not that these two didn’t fundamentally agree that “the West must be defended”/Islam is evil but his function is to smooth over the explicit contradiction between their discourses. You can have an ‘intelligent’ entertainment of Christianity that at least suspends its non-logical character while highlighting that its ‘ancient wisdom’ pointed to the logical conclusions of Militant Atheism all along.

[@johnsmith-v9t8o]

Where have all the podcast episodes gone? Gone from Apple, Spotify, everywhere.

[@Badtown1988]

When will they ever learn? When will they eeeever learn?

[@MrSickNoodle]

I thought conservatives love Sydney Sweeney lol why is this poor woman so politicized...

[@doctorbarber1]

Yeah my impression was that the right wing internet was going nuts over a death blow being struck to wokeness because a blonde woman with big hooters was on SNL. Get your narratives about the death of western civilization and the coming leftist dark ages straight you dorks.

[@williamjameslehy1341]

Yeah, out of nowhere they had this idea that the woke mob had cancelled thin yet buxom blondes, and Sydney was triggering libcuck "ass men". I think they've been driven insane by this notion that the culture no longer revolves around them.

[@freakyzed8467]

Wouldn't it be Republican Creationism?

[@MxArgent]

It's remarkable to me how what i'm supposed to believe is the less conservative party has a culture that's more insular, averse to lateral thinking, and ultimately resistant to change. That said, someone (a Trillbillies host?) once pointed out that american politics never fundamentally change, they just intensify.

[@MatheusFernandes-xf4zm]

They exchanged religious Platonism for scientific Platonism.

[@joshntn37111]

Conservatives held their nose and voted for him in 2016 bc all they wanted, more than anything in the world, was just ONE Supreme Court Nomination. The fact that Trump successfully nominated THREE Supreme Court Justices is why his base will always be 100% loyal to Trump. It literally doesn't matter what he does moving forward, his base will never abandon him. Thats why 97% of people who voted for him in 2020 will proudly do so again in 2024. I cannot even begin to describe the importance of the Supreme Court to Conservatives. Trump gave them something that they couldn't even fathom in their wildest dreams and the vast majority of them would die for him bc of what he did for them.

[@doctorbarber1]

Getting Roe tossed was to conservatives what passing Medicare for All would be to progressives. It was the thunderous, triumphant victory of a 40+ year political project. Of course it was massively unpopular and might cost Republicans elections for years, but hey.

[@toddwinegar7365]

To bad they are mostly to dumb to understand that was really brought to them by Mitch

[@Kakashi20xd6]

You underestimate religious(particularly the Abrahamic religions) chauvinism's contribution to Hillary’s loss. This is anecdotal evidence, but my boss at the time, who was a Southern Baptist woman, straight up said to me “It’s not a woman’s place to be in charge.”

[@GaigeGrosskreutzGunClub]

I mean I would argue the Dems allowed it to happen due to their hubris, but yeah, they saw an opening and took it.

[@thomasprislacjr.4063]

Devolution....the word is devolution.

[@SuzakuX]

"Devolution" is a fallacious concept--it's all evolution. Even if something become more primitive, it's still a result of adaptation. Some evolutionary paths are dead ends, however.

[@sebastianhama5624]

devo is a great band

[@rodrigoroa6753]

This clip had 666 views until I clicked on it, sorry for ruining it.

[@abreathingcoffin8089]

It's okay man

[@toadvine7952]

I clicked when it had 6969 views and the dang youtube done sunked my dink.

[@DawryMike]

That means you're the messiah

[@viva5208]

why are there so many hogs angry in the comments about this lol?

[@Argos-xb8ek]

They got nothing better to do.

[@MJH-kr4zg]

They've got to get mad at something.

[@zehsackett6132]

"hogs" being random people rather than cops or feds. Pokemon go to the polls

[@zehsackett6132]

💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩

[@tyleraraujo603]

They’re mad that someone knows exactly why they’re losing ground and they don’t know how to fix it lmao

[@egressoutofthedark]

19:09 Felix jumpscare

[@AnarchoCatBoyEthan]

no such thing, i was missing him. so the opposite lol

[@jackied962]

Who is Sidney Sweeny?

[@Afgrahamistan]

A young actress mostly known for her role in HBO/A24's "Euphoria" for at least two big reasons.

[@jackied962]

@@Afgrahamistan oh ok, thanks, they just kept bringing her up, I guess I don't watch those

[@Mark-jr6ld]

It's bimbofied Eric Trump

[@stefanmironov6405]

A far right controversial actress with ties to white nationalism

[@commenter381]

Free galestine

[@jj947]

The Breast Bank

[@Mark-jr6ld]

DENOUNCE MAMAS

[@commenter381]

Gazangas 😳​@@jj947

[@MxArgent]

Everyone always talks about Programmable Array Logicestine but nobody's up to handling the plight of Gate Array logicstine yet

[@rickkroll]

Lets stop talking about womens rights and start talking about womens WRONGS. Astrology who? Im sorry im not WOKE enough to get a girlfriend. More of a MGTOW guy anyway since the divorce.

[@zefem]

Lmao

[@joppishinsight]

anyone else here gay?

[@DawryMike]

2018 was a long time ago now. You're gonna have to move on eventually

[@lucasmurphy740]

I really love left wing politics and men

[@jaydinledford6990]

Hell yes brother

[@BasedProletarianJacob420]

@@DawryMikeGay jokes are still funny dont care

[@doxpin7432]

20:30 a personal relationship with Jesus is a “weird development of right wing politics”.

[@idicula1979]

They would almost be hippies, and being your happiness does not come from this pop culture delusion, which is cool, if they weren’t so rigid their own narcissistic ends.

[@SUPERBURLBOYROY]

Kankles 🦶

[@capyossarian]

The double k sound is the funniest phonetic sound in any language. Shambala

[@markcorrigan3930]

5:38

[@markcorrigan3930]

7:55

[@markcorrigan3930]

9:18

[@markcorrigan3930]

10:20

[@skiptoacceptancemdarlin]

gayer than thou

[@relytive17]

Isn't that fact that any "Progressive" personality or faction brings up religion as a motivation for the opposition, does that not cement Marxism and 'De-Structuralist/Post-Structuralist' philosophical underpinnings of Progressivism as a 'secular religion'?

[@DiscardedContext]

It’s barely secular. I see so many parallels between Marxism and what a certain other Jewish man was preaching a couple thousand years ago.

[@keithjackewicz8423]

@@DiscardedContext literally every facet of Western civilization is secularized Christianity. Nietzsche was on this shit 140 years ago. That doesn’t make it good or bad, it just is what it is.

[@keithjackewicz8423]

@ItsNotUnusual-mp5qd I mean if it also includes a utopian horizon and generates a monocausal explanation for heterogenous and variously derived social problematics, it gets a little dicey.

[@keithjackewicz8423]

@@000-t3c-i5u Those aren’t unique to Christian civilization, but Marxism’s overlap is hardly incidental. It’s an attempt to tinker with the system of a Christian hermetic weirdo who thought we were approaching oneness with God by having big modern states.

[@bardsamok9221]

Those assuming progressivism is a religion neither understand progressives nor religion.

[@kylemitchell5301]

The modern conservative movement IS american culture. Thats why they are called conservatism.

[@function0077]

Will, I think you are completely out of touch with a lot of religious Americans. I was raised orthodox mainstream Mormon (i.e. the SLC based sect of Mormonism). I am now an atheist and have been one for many years. However, my boomer parents are still devout Mormons. Mormonism is obviously bull$hit, but my parents are sincere, charitable, loving, & hard-working. They are not hypocrites. Be careful not to lump all religious Americans with the Boeberts, Gaetzs, & Trumps of the world (i.e. hypocritical religious phonies).

[@freakyzed8467]

My inlaws are the same, but when they vote they chose right wing loonies. The damage is done. Nice, sincere people can still make choices, over and over, that go against the message their holy books go against. To say you believe in the 10 Commandments and consistently support people who don't live those values is hypocrisy.

[@Dhurklyfignnij]

Because he is from NYC. I lived in indiana 10 years and never found people so kind, helpful, and nice yet so insane and racist with their politics. I am not american so i dont know how to explain it

[@function0077]

@@DhurklyfignnijMy American religious parents are kind, helpful, nice, AND not insane and racist with their politics. They are not perfect, but I think a decent percentage of religious Americans are like this. I have lived in Washington, Utah, & Illinois

[@joshuamarx8209]

​@@function0077of course but those people don't have power. So why does it matter if they aren't shit?

[@function0077]

@@joshuamarx8209 Why unnecessarily demonize potential allies (potential voters, etc.)?

[@mickeybeavison1053]

the lack of self-awareness here is astonishing

[@akumakorgar]

How so.

[@aw2031zap]

repubilcans are funny beacuse they get outraged when they're called out but when you poke them they can't qualify or quantify anything in response, they're just mad and too befuddled to elaborate

[@toadvine7952]

@@aw2031zap This is 100% true from the conversations I've had with Republicans. This year I was at a Super Bowl party and a Trump supporter got so mad he had to leave the party about how black NFL players didn't think Russell Wilson was black enough. He threw a racist tantrum to himself about an article he read in 2018.

[@Badtown1988]

@@aw2031zap We straight up wouldn’t have all these shitheads if msm employed halfway intelligent reporters who occasionally asked a follow-up question.

[@Mark-jr6ld]

Ok beavis

[@Neversoft2489]

Very confused by claimed Richard Hanania is an incel. He has a wife and at least one kid.

[@sknight874]

Reading his tweets would help you.

[@Neversoft2489]

@sknight874 I have. He's a weirdo but I think claiming his neuroses center on an inability to get a woman is wrong, especially since he has one.

[@godlessinsurgent1895]

​@Neversoft2489 it's the internet...and Chapo, using this kind of terminology checks out, honestly...

[@markcorrigan3930]

He doesn't. Don't believe everything on the internet. Also he is a 5'5'' towel head with an arranged marriage to her cousin.

[@markcorrigan3930]

@@Neversoft2489 That is her cousin

[@CrudForge]

You’d embarrass yourself less if you’d talk to an actual conservative instead of looking at them through binoculars like you’re on safari. This is decades worth of compounded ignorance. You can see the strata in cross section.

[@BMoser-bv6kn]

You'd embarrass yourself less if you didn't have this "I'm a good person" ego-preserving mentality. That you're offended is proof they're objective and right on the dot with their assessments. It's never been about boobies in video games or what "god" wants, those things have always been distractions. Shields against the true core issues underneath. Loneliness, performative posturing for social status within the in-group (also popular with their identical twins, the liberal), etc. And it's an excellent feedback loop. As you hurt other people, they'll hurt you back, validating your martyr-complex. "I'm good, everyone else is bad." Yeah, amazing how that works. Never once has it occurred to you that we've all got self-interests. That we're all "bad" Just go home and play your X-box and watch some tv. Then vote for the orange Biden or the white Trump. Whatever. Try to stop being a sore winner tho

[@jaydinledford6990]

Bro, they are animals and we are on safari, stfu

[@interior.imperial1]

I know Trumpists. They're Rita Glossner from The Middle.

[@zacharygirgenti3790]

You just embarassed yourself.

[@TheJacklikesvideos]

@Ordrakon nothing to do with a No True Scotsman. the issue is strawman at best. you do not go to an ideological opponent for an accurate and good faith representation. compounded by the fact that progressives honestly have little actual understanding of conservative thoughts or ideals, having a circle jerk about how much meaner and dumber people different than you must be leaves the conversational issue of simply No Conservative. just pick any to have an actual conversation with before pretending you recognize a common rhetorical device among them.

[@adtastic1533]

Listening to you guys for 2 minutes makes me want to vote for Trump.

[@samsca8529]

You should write in Vivek

[@whitewolfgaming8327]

Sounds like you guys are really confused, about what is going on

[@avacadomangobanana2588]

Sure

[@hsjkfhjfoakhdh2842]

I don't know how to tag the creators of this podcast, but I want to see them go head-to-head against WhiteWolfGaming8327. I hope they reach out to you.

[@whitewolfgaming8327]

@@hsjkfhjfoakhdh2842 I can tell you exactly how it would go down. We’ll talk about politics, I’ll bring up past and recent events, they’ll say that’s not true, I’ll show sources, and then they’ll go ahh that’s right wing stuff. We want legitimate news.

[@keithjackewicz8423]

@@whitewolfgaming8327 No, they would just insult you and tell you to go away. This show is commie Howard Stern, not a CNN panel debate.

[@strangebrew1231]

They’re white leftists. They aren’t very bright

[@getaclew]

I don’t like Trump but he did good last time and Joe is doing terrible. We need to close the border before anything else.

[@hsjkfhjfoakhdh2842]

Trump is compromised by the DEEP STATE. Trump had a border problem during his presidency. You should write in vote for Ron Paul.

[@Bedlam83]

So you live in bizarro world and are completely misinformed.

[@xibalbalon8668]

Each president has been more anti immigrant than the last but yeah sure whatever

[@BananaPhoPhilly]

@Vesta_the_LesserTHIS. This is so true. The democrats are insanely awful at promoting themselves. They are so limp-wristed when it comes to promotion. I don’t know why. Joe (his admin) has actually done a pretty good job but NO ONE even knows what he’s done

[@justinrenaud4818]

I think you’re on the wrong channel there kiddo

[@509drone2]

You guys sound completely out of touch. Go outside and actually talk to some people who disagree with you.

[@diobrando1519]

guy literally called drone thinks someone else lacks autonomy, lol

[@mgm8822]

What did they say that was false?

[@509drone2]

@@mgm8822 almost all of the “psycho analysis” of the Republican Party part.

[@509drone2]

@@diobrando1519 good one my dude lol

[@yurifairy2969]

@@509drone2 Literally all of this is 100% accurate

[@Twosheets]

Latinos por trump.

[@Badtown1988]

*Latinx

[@jaydinledford6990]

And some of them are very fine people

[@doctorrobert1339]

Do you hate yourself for being latino? signed, a latino

[@GrassrootsWorldview]

This sounds like the NPR Shit Lib Radio for Millenials.

[@MJH-kr4zg]

You mad bro?

[@GaigeGrosskreutzGunClub]

Hell yeah, dude

[@williamjameslehy1341]

Yeah, Chapo is just like NPR, sanctimonious PMC libs pushing extreme woke virtue signalling and pro-business neoliberal capitalism.

[@janpol466]

Yeah, not very deep or insightful.

[@MJH-kr4zg]

From what I've seen recently Sohrab Ahmari is basically just advocating the right in the U.S to embrace Red Toryism. He did an interview awhile back with David Griscom on Left Reckoning. He actually did articulate some alright critiques of capitalism. kzbin.info/www/bejne/anSzen6ol9yYpNk