Research Items and Homework Assignment

[@NastyHobits]

Watched the videos, let me summarize your analysis to see if I understand the whole situation: Popular story: Mallory and Irvine fell, and there was misinformation about Mallory possessing a camera. When Mallory was found, there was no camera, so it was assumed his borrowed camera, and proof of the summit, was on Irvine. They then buried Mallorys body under rocks. What actually happened: Mallory did not have a camera, nor did he intend on carrying one as Irvine had access to 2 of his own. Mallory had stated his intention to bring back summit rocks, but when his body was found and buried, this potential evidence was destroyed. This leaves the only way to know if Mallory summited is by finding Irvine, and hoping he did take photos/summit rock samples. What did I miss?

[@michaeltracy2356]

Standing on George Mallory's body with their crampons, whacking Geroge Mallorys body with their ice axes, digging up the body a second time two week later because they realized they screwed up the search, moving the oxygen bottle, stealing a glove, not photographing the oxygen bottle where it was found, loosing an oxygen bottle, later changing where they said they found the oxygen bottle, not releasing any photos of the watch taken when it was found, tearing the clothing when it was being removed, stating 165 vertical feet per hour is "fast", stating the cooker rolled down from Camp 6, not mentioning that Simonson carried a heavier load of oxygen, not photographing the mitten where it was found, ignoring Politiz's assessment that it was the Third Step, not finding the quote from Mallory about what routes he would climb, ignoring the letter Mallory said the "ridge route was impossible," losing the notes from the Odell interview, leaving Odell's key letter in the sun for years so it was destroyed, stating the Chinese summited because of "the socialist principle of working together unselfishly for common goals", failing to properly bury the body after they dug it up, going back for additional searches also without looking for summit rocks and after being told they needed to took for summit rocks, not having a plan to develop the film if a camera was found in 1999, 2001, 2004, and 2019, and deleting the part of Claire Mallorys story that her father would leave a letter from Ruth on the summit, and then later saying a letter from Ruth was found (when one was not). This mistake was repeated in 2020 in "The Third Pole." Probably some more that I missed, but perhaps you there is a point you are trying to make?

[@NastyHobits]

@@michaeltracy2356 no, that makes it much clearer. Just watched the videos and was trying to put it all together.

[@ty56ty1]

@@michaeltracy2356 Also Norton continued towards the summit with no camera

[@boxtankgamer6014]

@@michaeltracy2356 Hey Michael. I binge watched all your videos on M&I and I have to say they captivated me more than any YT content has in a long time. Probably watched each video twice each, told my friends and family to look at them too. Before I found ur channel I only had cursory knowledge of the events of the 1924 expedition and found it doubtful that M&I made the summit (though deep down I hoped they did); after watching your vids I have come to believe that they almost certainly made the top. Once you accept the fact that Odell saw the pair on the 3rd step and they didn't take the ridge route, the other evidence (missing photo/letter, fall location, OX bottle being partially full, etc.) begins to fall into place. I think your watch video will be the dagger in the official account/timeline. Any idea when it might come out? I have been pretty hyped for it since you first mentioned it a while back.

[@I.Love.Dogs.More.Than.People]

@@michaeltracy2356 Brilliant! I can't think of anything that you missed. There may be more, but it hasn't come to light as of yet.

[@lisatitirangi]

Love Rashomon. What an improbable, fabulous crossover. You continue to create such thought-provoking, quality content - just what KZbin needs.

[@davidthackray3841]

Another great video thanks. The photo of 'greenboots' also demonstrates how a body in a cave can be completely obscured from view by a build up of snow.

[@CharlesFreck]

Finally, a youtuber that's giving me homework! I jest of course, Rashomon appears to be highly rated, well worth a watch, and I'm glad you've recommended it.

[@pugilemoltobene3708]

‘CF’, it is merely to exemplify the potential for misinformation when word-of-mouth is the primary mode of comms and distorts the message.

[@alexk2652]

Homework is due before the watch video is posted.

[@fluffy_g0blin]

I found your channel about 2 weeks ago and have now OBSESSIVELY watched all your videos.. please keep putting them out! I love your dry humour and dedication to the facts! Eagerly awaiting the next installment!

[@GeographyCzar]

(Just beginning my journey.) All my life, and I’ll turn 50 this August, I understood that the 1960 Chinese route was approximately the same route Mallory and Irvine would have attempted in 1924. I only learned of Norton’s proposed alternative route (based on his observations during his own abortive summit attempt immediately prior to Mallory’s) about two weeks ago. Up until then, I either assumed, or was led to believe, that the traverse into the Couloir was a dead end. Once I learned that Norton believed there was at least one potential route to the summit from the highest point he had reached, I immediately thought, “Wait, why would Mallory try the unexplored ridge above instead of building off of his teammate’s work if the traverse was not considered a dead end?” It did not take me more than a few seconds of squinty-eyed realization to conclude that Mallory and Irvine never encountered the 2nd Step, and from that realization I went on to deduce that I had been lied to my entire life. But why? I wracked my brain for two weeks, only able to guess that something was being purposely hidden from the general public for almost a century. But why? I keep coming up against this question. Every time, I feel that a part of the answer must be related to concealing the truth about Mallory and Irvine’s accomplishment - whatever that may have been. Yesterday I finally found this channel and it all just clicked. They summited. Duh! But I still don’t understand why that fact should be hidden from the public for a century. It’s not as if summiting and returning alive is less of an accomplishment than summiting and dying… I get the British obsession with being First, but wouldn’t being the first to reach the top and live be just as significant? And weren’t Mallory and Irvine at least as British as Hillary and Norgay? Why have we all been lied to all these years about Mallory’s most likely route? What’s so important about concealing the fact that he and Irvine probably summited Mt. Everest in 1924? Seventy years after the Mountain was successfully conquered and survived, why is the original route up Everest still such a secret? (I’m sort of binging these videos in reverse, and now that my suspicions about Mallory and Irvine’s likely summiting have been confirmed, I’m hoping for additional clues as to why this fact must remain hidden.)

[@kensilverstone1656]

Frankly this is highly interesting information that has never been reported correctly before or not reported at all. Bravo. I find your investigative journalism to be in a class by itself.

[@Bella.216]

Okay call me weird but, something has always bothered me about the search for Irvine before finding George Mallory. Tom Holzel and the 99 team always said that Irvine must have turned around so Mallory could use his oxygen to get to the summit and Irvine fell under ice axe while George couldn't get off the second step, or he fell off after reaching summit. Then how the heck was finding Irvine and retrieving the camera going to be the only proof of the summit. My point of this is you can't believe half the crap being told. Thanks for the video Michael

[@matthewmiller8297]

Can't wait for the watch video!

[@stephengreene1856]

I think the last time I actually did any 'Homework' was 1987..in Detention,under duress of my dad telling me he would break my legs. But this 'Homework' is some that I WANT to do... Bizzare

[@mn-nf3dd]

Thank you fjor another excellent video. Can't wait for the watch video and I don't care how long it is.

[@archivist68]

Oh wow, I just came across this video and enjoyed it a lot. You can pack a tremendous amount of information into one minute! I have to stop your videos from time to time to make the connections, advice that I have heard you give to your viewers. I LOL 'd when you sped up Hahn's interview (in another vid) bc. you said he spoke so slowly you simply had to do that. I, myself, had to find the (slow) Hahn interview from another source to understand him. Anyway, the Rashomon effect is called, in historiographical terms, (brace yourself), "primary sources"! I can't tell you how many times I had to interpret history from multiple perspectives of the same event/happening, etc. Of course you know about primary sources, but I had to comment because I enjoyed the video and the term "Rashomon" was new to me (unless I was absent from Historiography 101 that day).🤣

[@jaym8027]

Fascinating catch on the Wikipedia idiocy.

[@jimclip2012]

Honest question: Is there anything you could do or leave behind on the summit that would survive long enough to still be there when someone definitely summited? An obvious human arrangement of rocks, personal items secured with spikes, etc.? Something like this would prove Mallory or Irvine made it and potentially would be seen when Hillary and Tenzing made it in 1953.

[@michaeltracy2356]

Over the years people have put survey tripods, statues of the Buddha, statues of the King of Nepal, and just about everything imaginable on the summit -- none of it has stayed put for long.

[@jimclip2012]

@@michaeltracy2356 I suspected as much, but I haven’t heard that flatly stated in the various debates about Mallory, despite being an obvious question. Very much enjoying your videos, discovered your channel recently and have binged most of them. Excellent research and presentation about a fascinating subject.

[@michaeltracy2356]

There is an issue of whether Mallory would have put it somewhere that would last. For instance, the Chinese in 1960 claim to have put a note inside a glove and buried it in the rocks slightly below the summit. This would likely stay in place. That the 1963 team did not see any such glove is an indication that Chinese didn't make it. But it is also not clear how thoroughly they searched. Now the issue is Mallory's "missing glove." Conrad Anker reported finding two gloves but only one has turned in at basecamp. I tend to believe Anker's account because if they had indeed only found one on the body, it would have immediately stuck out to the people who found it. However, assuming someone didn't pilfer a souvenir and that only one glove was found, a likely explanation would be that Mallory thought of the same thing -- to put Ruth's letter into a glove a bury it somewhere permanent. Had he done so, there is a chance that somewhere in the rocks next to the summit when he was picking up his rock samples he also buried the glove with the letter from Ruth. That might still be there.

[@jimclip2012]

@@michaeltracy2356 It seems that no rock samples were found on his body, and I’m presuming that they searched him adequately, given that the team found and his letters and other personal effects. It absolutely makes sense that the camera would’ve been carried by Irvine, but wouldn’t Mallory have had rock samples on his person if he’d summited?

[@michaeltracy2356]

On the May 1 search, they managed to miss a watch in his pocket. Therefore it is impossible that the May 1 search was adequate. They also were not looking for rocks in any of the other pockets that they did search on May 1. The search on May 16 was described by Thom Pollard in 2004 as "Shortly after arriving at the site Andy powered up the metal detector. We hoped it could do what our eyes couldn’t: pick up the location of Mallory’s camera. I crawled around on my hands and knees going after anything that made the metal detector blip: a metal clasp beneath Mallory’s chin held his leather helmet tight; hobnails on his boot; and, a broken watch inside his pocket." (www.everestnews.com/malloryandirvine2004/mallorywatch.htm). Now the story of the May 16 search has changed completely as told by Mark Synnott in The Third Pole. Gone is the metal detector and Pollard is searching search pocket by hand for missing items. Gone is the reference to just searching for a camera. One can wonder which statement is more accurate -- the one written in 2004 when Pollard did not know about the issue of summit rocks and described a crude search for a camera with a metal detector or the 2021 version when the narrative needs a detailed search for rocks to have been conducted. As with the other "mysteries," there is some evidence. First, the issue of summit rocks was known in 1999. And yet, they did not once mention it. They did not say in the press conference, "We could have found rocks or a camera, but we were searching for both and didn't find either." They just completely ignored the issue. Same in 2019. For instance, Mark Sinnott's book does not mention the issue of summit rocks though it is the main issue of contention with the 1999 search and had his own search managed to turn up Irvine, one would hope that he would have looked for summit rocks. That you have been fooled by their deception is the reason they do it -- because it works. Fortunately, you can look at a photo of Mallory's body as it looked on May 16 after it was dug up and can see why a crude search with a metal detector was done. www.pinterest.com/pin/561120434817974496/. There is also the problem of the numerous inaccurate statements made by Pollard -- such as him personally searching all the pockets on the front of George Mallory. Pollard was not there on May 1 and he could not have performed such a search. Perhaps he searched the empty pockets after they had been cut out and carried down, but the fact that he says such things leaves him little credibility. Had he written about the detailed search of all the pockets back in 2004 when he described the crude search with the metal detector there might be something to go on. Even on May 1, they ripped up Mallory's clothing -- as is clearly visible in the photos. jakenorton.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/Mallorys_clothes_Fagiolo-scaled.jpg ) Wade Davis say the video on this and states in his book that they were the ones that ripped up the clothing performing a crude search. Jake also says there were rocks everywhere: "While we weren't looking specifically for rocks, I'm also not convinced the presence of rocks in his pockets would be in any way conclusive, as his remains were completely peppered with rocks and pebbles, detritus that had rained down on him from above over 75 years." But there will always be charlatans as long as there are fools that believe them.

[@harti938]

Guess they noted the date only on the first picture taken on a given day. So all pictures in between should be of the same date. But it requires a very diligent and foremost accurate archive keeping. Either way, there must have been some system to it, right?

[@GLEN1061]

Has the possibility Irvine had an accident or fell first (either ascending / descending) been explored?

[@Random_Things1001]

I read somewhere that green boots was moved off the main trail but not far from there. You can still see him but not directly on the trail now. What have you heard?

[@michaeltracy2356]

He doesn't show up in any of the photos from 2018 so he could not be just a short distance from the cave. No one saw him in 2018, so likely this rumor is not accurate, but there was a lot of snow.

[@allanfrederick8705]

Although this question does not relate to this video, I will ask you now out of curiosity. I understand that blood was found on Mallory's jacket, and these stains were like wipe marks. Was there any attempt to get that blood DNA tested and verified whose blood it was? If it was Irvine's we could led to believe that he had as issue before Mallory's fall location. Not much to go, but another clue. Not sure if blood frozen on fabric would be even testable at that point for DNA. What are your thoughts on this Michael?

[@michaeltracy2356]

None of the DNA was tested nor could be tested because a family member has to give some DNA for it to match with. As none of the family members gave their DNA, there is nothing to match it to. However, assuming you could get a match, I am not sure it would help. Mallory had that jacket the entire time. Even if Irvine's blood is on it, it could have occurred on the way up to North Col, at a lower camp, anywhere. And if it is Mallory's, it could have happened in even more places. Even assuming it did happen on June 8, I don't know how much you could really conclude. There is the question of whether an earlier fall occurred. But the evidence for that would be the bruising on Mallory's body and this would require a pathologist to examine the video and photos of the body. As they will not release the video nor any additional photos, I don't spend a lot of time thinking about it. It could also be blood from one of the members of the 1999 team. Numerous people handled those items, and someone stole one of Mallory's gloves, moved an oxygen bottle, took an oxygen bottle, etc.

[@stephengreene1856]

@@michaeltracy2356 I don't understand why somebody would move an oxygen bottle? Were they just haphazard picking items up fiddling with items? Or are they trying to screw around with Mallory's possible route to the top or descent? And pilfering things from what's essentially a grave? Then withold video/photos? To me the whole thing is bizzare, I dunno, just thinking out loud

[@michaeltracy2356]

@@stephengreene1856 When you first hear about it, it is difficult to believe. However, the oxygen bottle was "moved" again in 2021. That is, since 1999, the team identified the bottle as being found about 150-180 meters east of first step. This is what their books said, their websites -- everyone except Dave Hahn. Dave Hahn said it was lower and moved by a Sherpa. I cover this in the "Response to Jake Norton, Part 1" video. In 2021, when it was becoming clear they did not climb the ridge route, the oxygen bottle suddenly moves to a location which is more consistent with a ridge route, especially if dropped on the descent. The problem is that location was photographed in 1933 and there was no oxygen bottle there. So now Jake Norton says he doesn't know the exact location the bottle was found in, only the general area. However, the general area has the same problems. The 1933 team and the Chinese were both in that area and didn't find anything. However, Jake Norton and Mark Synnott both use the "new" location for the bottle to support their theories with no explanation as to how everyone else had it wrong for the past 20 years. There is also the problem of Peter Firstbrook -- the producer of the 1999 TV show about the expedition. He was in base camp and later left for Kathmandu with some of the items, but it is not clear exactly when. In his book, he repeats multiple times that two bottles were found. This would make sense if the Sherpa picked one up and brought it down without telling the "searchers." Assuming this is true, whether the intent was simply to pilfer a bottle to sell to a collector, misdirect people about a summit, or to support the Chinese theory it is not clear. The "misdirect people" is that if the 1999 team essentially said, "Yeah, we found two bottles, they were definitely caching, and the missing letter and photo basically show they summited, likely from the zig-zag route" there would be far more interest in finding the camera. There would be more teams looking because of the near certainty of a summit. Instead, they misdirect people so they can keep the amount of competition for the camera down. Alternately, they could be massively incompetent or have some other motivation. They are not likely to say, "Yeah, we have a collector who pays big money for Mallory items and we sold the stuff to him." In terms of financial rewards, the camera is worth a lot -- summit rocks, not so much. It is also difficult for people to believe this, but the camera is likely worth far more to a private collector who will never share it, never show it, and never talk about it. Private collectors pay millions of dollars for art work all the time. Rumors of such a collector have been going around basecamp for years. You hear a lot of stuff in basecamp, and 99% of it is bullshit. But there are other people looking that do not say anything about what they do. Also problematic is the failure to fix the problem with the location of the bottle. It was well known in 1999 that the exact location of the bottle was not known because of an alleged "storm". Both Jake Norton and Tap Richards were back on the mountain in 2001 and there was no "storm" and no "flat light". And yet, they did not photograph the boulder. Jake has been back numerous years -- and not a single photo of the boulder which the bottle was "found" under. So, the location the bottle was "found" under is now lost to time, and yet somehow also "proves" Mallory was on his way to the Second Step. There are simply too many problems with the 1999 search. Most of the people have simply moved on and are not involved in any of the ongoing debates. This is fine, as it was 20 years ago and it is unlikely they would remember any of the necessary details at this point. However, the ones that are still participating have magic memories which recall details which are directly contradicted by photos taken at the time. There are any number of reasons why they might do this and hopefully time will tell.

[@stephengreene1856]

@@michaeltracy2356 when I said it is Bizzare,I just meant I found it bizzare that someone would actually move things around,pilfer, steal,violate a grave in order to change a narrative,I do believe those things happened,it's just a bit infuriating especially considering the importance of Mallory and Irvine reaching the summit first.

[@nikosmak388]

Again a great video Michael👌if you could only speak a ittle bit slower, our mind 😅would be able to calculate and understand all these informations. 💭 Greetings from Greece thank you for your deatailed presentasion

[@quantumcommunities7618]

If you go into settings you can slow the video down to like .75 or .5 speed. It can help a lot sometimes

[@THEYTHINKTHEYAREGODS]

This is so damn interesting It's like a new obsession for Me I want to know everything on Mt Everest

[@LtTWR2B]

Do you feel Irvines body is still on the mountain or removed? I watched a earlier video where climbers broke off the route against the Sherpa's advise and look into a location believed to be his body and nothing was found.

[@michaeltracy2356]

How do you know "climbers broke off the route against the Sherpa's advise and look into a location believed to be his body and nothing was found?" Because you saw a video made by one of the climbers showing a Sherpa saying "too dangerous." Look into what really happened prior to that and why the Sherpa might really have said it was "too dangerous." It's in his book. Hint: It is not because a Sherpa thought a highly skilled climber could not go off route for a short section of relatively easy climbing that would greatly enhance the Sherpa's bonus. It is because something happened earlier that made it "too dangerous." It's in his book. Synnott (the highly skilled climber) had a drone photo of the location and the location is easily visible and can be easily photographed from high camp. The location had been searched previously, including in 2018, and there was nothing there. Why do you think he says the body might be there when he had photos that showed not only that a body was not there but that one never could have been? The "slot" is 9 inches wide and could not ever have had a body in it. -- this is in his book. The location is just below an easy route from the exit cracks traversing diagonally. Why would he take a more difficult route to get there? Synnott wrote a "post-truth" book and Ozturk made a "post-truth" movie. You cannot read or watch either one and just accept it at face value. The truth is in there -- in both of them. But you have to look for it. You have to think through what they are telling you, why they are saying it, and what the real truth is. This is not the first time in history this has been done. For a more humorous example, read Lucians, "A True Story" -- which has the same truths as The Third Pole.

[@LtTWR2B]

@@michaeltracy2356 I'm extremely captivated by this entire story. Do you plan on making any more trips to Everest to attempt to locate Irvin? Thank you for your response. I look forward to more of your videos. Lorne

[@michaeltracy2356]

The north side is still closed and it is difficult to say when it will open. I would not be surprised if the Chinese keep it closed to foreigners until after 2024.

[@sharkuify]

Rashoman effect is a favorite tool used by many politicians

[@franzlubeck9669]

Great Work!!! as always :)

[@dooleyfussle8634]

Your comments are a refreshing view of life post post post 2022 version of reality, if you know what I mean. Keep up the good work.

[@Sneakypete777]

I love this channel so much!

[@libslayer4280]

Drinking Sherpa. Lol. Subbed.

[@jimmywrangles]

I'm late to the party but I've already seen Rashomon so....homework complete.

[@Libbyyyyyyyyyy]

ahhh can't wait!

[@stephengreene1856]

Did the Chinese fund the 1999 expedition?

[@roblacitinola866]

Your vids are amazing, fabulous work sir!

[@LondonChess8126]

Hi Michael I love your work. Can you please recommend me a book on the Mallory & Irvine situation? Thanks

[@michaeltracy2356]

The book I use the most and complain the least about is The Wildest Dream. I'll be analyzing Into the Silence and The Third Pole in upcoming videos -- but neither are good first books on the subject.

[@LondonChess8126]

@@michaeltracy2356 Thank you for the reply Michael. I will definitely take a look at The Wildest Dream first. Do you have a favorite mountaineering book that's not related to this story?

[@pushpakhadgi4321]

Hats off man to your efforts

[@robertmartin8565]

Hello Michael, just wondering if you have offered to discuss your findings with Conrad Anker ? A friendly debate so to speak. Also could you list some of the better books on Mallory and Irvine ? Thank you for your research on such a fascinating topic.

[@michaeltracy2356]

I had reached out to Conrad Anker years ago and never heard back. However, I am not sure if there is anything we disagree on. While I do detail the problems with his 1999 book, it is very doubtful he still maintains that same story. Presumably, he would not still argue the cooker rolled down from Camp 6. He has also said that the 1999 team did things incorrectly and would do it differently if he could do it over again -- something which I do not argue with. He has stated they were more interested in their own stories than that of Mallory and Irvine -- also which I agree. It is not clear if he still thinks they would have climbed the Second Step, but his assessment that if they did, there is no way they could get down without leaving a rope is also something we both agree on. My view is that Conrad Anker and the other climbers were manipulated by others (directly by Eric Simonson, but I do not think he is the ultimate one running the show). Not surprisingly, these climbers do not like to view themselves as victims. This is normal for everyone -- hence the quote from Sagan about people not wanting believe the bamboozle. I don't blame Conrad or any of the climbers. From them, we can all learn a valuable lesson -- far more valuable than ever knowing it two people climbed some mountain.

[@griffith500tvr]

Does anyone know if M&I had a way to make water on their final push? I heard that their water cooker fell down from camp 5. Seems impossible to do the final push without water.

[@michaeltracy2356]

Try the "Everything Wrong" video - the one about Everest, not quantum computing.

[@piatummes9102]

As a gifted craftsman, Irvine could have made a rope ladder (like he did before) with a gripping anchor, to climb the 2nd step. That could be the reason too for being late.

[@michaeltracy2356]

“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.” ― Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark

[@GLEN1061]

@@michaeltracy2356 Has the possibility Irvine had an accident or fell first (either ascending / descending) been explored?

[@Longtack55]

To attach the rope ladder he would have had to climb "somewhere." Where do you think that was?

[@Longtack55]

@@michaeltracy2356 Sagan wasn't a believer in a Supreme Being, much preferring the power of evidence and rational exploration.

[@michaeltracy2356]

Not sure what Sagan actually believed. There is what he said directly to the question, but that is rarely what people actually think. There is a big difference between a belief in a "Supreme Being" and a believe in religion. He seemed to think there was a good chance there are aliens, but likely not the flying saucer type. As this is exactly what Francis Younghusband was saying, it is not clear exactly what Sagan believed in. It seems, "Contact" dealt with his strategic ambiguity on the subject. I was going through "Demon-Haunted World," and it is not at all clear he is even "agnostic" like he claims. I might circle back to this issue if I delve into the various beliefs of the 1920s -- Jung, Younghusband, etc. My current area of focus is how the various drugs that were popular in a given era influence a society's views on things like UFOs, "Supreme Beings", etc.

[@trail-wolf4x4]

I may have asked this on another of your posts Mr. Tracey, but with as detailed sonar we have these days is it not possible for say a low-flying plane to ping to mountian? (Obviously it's probably an issue with Chinese security)

[@michaeltracy2356]

I don't know if sonar would help that much. I am not familiar with the acoustic properties of the rocks and what the snow would do to them. The main problem with any overflight is the problem with snow. It really isn't that big of a deal as high powered telephoto will work just fine. The problem is you need low snow. As none of the other "searchers" will share any of their photos from their low snow year, unless someone goes when there is low snow, we will not know. It is not that no one knows or that no one has photos. It is that the people who have the photos will not release them.

[@THEYTHINKTHEYAREGODS]

I hope 🙏 they find Irvin and that camera in my lifetime 🙏

[@trail-wolf4x4]

That is the first time I have seen that image of the "cave spot" I can see the discoloration but it's hard to tell if it could be light bending around the rock or possibly a " body in a sleeping bag"

[@eric-wb7gj]

TY🙏🙏

[@Sunrise-fr9jb]

Where Mallory and iverrine tied together? So when Mallory fell it pulled the other guy over to his death?

[@michaeltracy2356]

They were roped together. Who fell first is not known, but likely it was Mallory as Irvine had time to drop his axe.

[@Sunrise-fr9jb]

@@michaeltracy2356 that Chinese guy who “saw someone in a sleeping bag” in 1960. I heard he came out descending from the yellow band to camp V1. Do you think that was Irvine’s body? I think it’s the same location you said in ur other video. Maybe he fell down with Mallory then got in his sleeping bag waiting for morning to come and died. Edit: I tried to link the source to the article I read that on but it won’t let me. It’s the wire article part 1

[@michaeltracy2356]

Yeah, something is going on with the comments... They are getting stuck and some are deleted. It's not me. Exactly what Xu Jing (Chinese fro 1960) saw is not entirely clear as there are translation problems. Did he say "Sleeping bag" or "sleeping position?" One of the rocks in that location looks like a sleeping bag. Was he referring to being next to the sleeping bag rock? We just don't have any idea exactly what he said. They did not take any sleeping bags with them as Odell would have noted them missing -- and he didn't. Nor would it remotely make any sense to do so. The entire "sleeping bag" theory is just people trying to create a mystery where none exists. They key off of one piece of information and assume it is correct as opposed to all the other information. They then change the entire theory so that their one single fact can work.

[@Adaptedsolarpower]

They absolutely desecrated Mallory’s body like they had gold fever. The actions of the 99 team was absolutely disgusting. After locating they should have sent someone with a ton of experience to respectfully try and get some answers. I understand the height but there are many Drs and people with experience who could have made that hike.

[@jjp1117]

Yesss drinking sherpa for the win

[@BS2Dos]

👍👍

[@markhooper42]

Hi Michael, I have read that it`s possible that Irvines body was found by a Chinese climb team and either removed from or pushed down the mountain. Do you give this story any credibility please?

[@michaeltracy2356]

Look at the routes of the 1933 team, there is no possibility Irvine was in that spot at any time. I will cover this briefly in an upcoming video, but it is obviously false as Smythe walked right across that location in 1933 and did not report tripping over Irvine's body.

[@markhooper42]

@@michaeltracy2356 I`ll look forward to seeing your video. Have you an opinion as to where Irvines body is likely to be?

[@markhooper42]

@@michaeltracy2356 Sorry Michael, I`ve just revisited your video(I`ve watched all of them several times) " Irvine's Final Resting Place" and this answers my earlier question. Are you aware of any plans for a team to visit this location?

[@ralphbooger4756]

@@michaeltracy2356 i am eagerly awaiting the next video... :) i was also wondering about any planned expedition, i understand it is closed down for now and snow is an issue so things are a bit uncertain... but in planning an expedition, is there time to consider the amount of snow that year before going or does it require so much preparation that what the weather/amount of snow will be left up to chance? and what about drones, considering how far this technology has come, could an "expedition" to base camp only, be done with less preparation, with the intent of flying drones to search specific areas, would it be possible/allowed, and maybe less costly...? or maybe an expedition with both a climber and a drone operator at base camp. or maybe just a camera with a good lens would be enough... have you considered trying to crowdfund an expedition?, or do you already have any specific plans when they open up again? personally i find your perspective on this so interesting that it would be worthy of a full blown documentary or even a series for like netflix or something, combining the research you already have done with an actual expedition to search for Irvine, whether you found him or not i think would make a great show!

[@NoName-oz3gj]

Hello Michael, This is mostly unrelated but do you have any photos of the First Step looking up? I can't seem to find any and would like to compare them with the other 2. Thank you in advance

[@jdghgh]

Drinking Sherpa, ahaha!

[@philcolborn9597]

Jeez Mike-please talk slower(respectfully)

[@michaeltracy2356]

You can just slow the video down. Everyone wants stuff at different speeds. Some slower. Some faster. Fortunately, there is an app for that.