Researchers discover a very simple way to make batteries last 70% longer

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[@electricviking]

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[@gator1984atcomcast]

Best experience of owning an electric car is not having to go to a gas station. Park in garage, plug-in and charge over night.

[@foam27]

Hate gas stations and oil companies.

[@bob100079]

How good is it 👍

[@borshardsd]

My buddy, auto tech by trade, seems to hate ev's without a tangible articulated fact as to why. I can say my model 3 has room for improvement but not compared to any previous ice vehicles owned. And I had no incentives at time of purchase in 2021, still feeling the savings.

[@chillfluencer]

People underestimate this single point alone. And then add that you don't have to leave your car so often in a workshop for maintenance...in most cases can do stuff like changing a filter by yourself easily.

[@ChickensAndGardening]

They're also just fun to drive. I love my kid's EV and I drive it whenever she's asleep or otherwise not using it. If we had room in the driveway, I'd consider getting one for myself.

[@tonychuah1]

50% increase isn't 1 million to 2 million, it's 1 million to 1.5 million. Still hypothetically a massive increase but your basic math needs a slight correction.

[@andyfreeze4072]

listen carefully to the fine print "AVERAGE" increase.

[@JoeyBlogs007]

🤣🤣🤣

[@ChickensAndGardening]

Battery life and km driven are not necessarily a 1:1 ratio.

[@pdloder]

I came here to give a similar response. Sam doesn't understand percentages.

[@pdloder]

​​@@andyfreeze4072 No dude - YOU 'listen carefully'... yes, Sam repeatedly said ~"average increase of 50%, which would double your charge cycle" which is wrong, wrong, wrong, Sam clearly doesn't understand how percentages work.

[@rickwalsh91]

New EV Technologies will continue to rapidly provide us with Leapfrogging improvements! 👍😎

[@wocookie2277]

The most influential ideas always result in a “Why didn’t I think of that” response.

[@Dackel1972]

Hi Sam, I might have missed this, but is there any update on how your wife is doing with her cancer? I hope she is making progress and being treated to the highest standards and I much admire how you are keeping up the enormous frequency of updates while you are dealing with such an important issue at the same time.

[@Fantabiscuit]

Double would be a 100% increase not 50%

[@jrherita]

Is that sorta like decimation is 10%? :)

[@air7tv]

I was thinking the same thing... Who needs to go back to school? Classic Viking, doesn't let little thing like facts get in the way of clicks 😂

[@JoeyBlogs007]

🤣🤣🤣

[@ChickensAndGardening]

adding 50% to battery life might actually double the # of km driven. This is because the decay curve of the batteries is longer than the distance curve, generally.

[@edsinofsky]

I wonder if this could be done to existing packs on already produced vehicles. Coolest thing I learned today. Thanks.

[@tothimre7950]

NOPE... I have read the detailed article and it is for the first time sort of "formatting the battery". Also not sure if it is applying to LFP battery or just NMC, NCA, etc... But I'm skeptical with this article they mention previous "Slow" charge for the first time was to keep the Lithium in the battery but there was 5-10% Lithium loss... With this rapid/shock formatting the Lithium loss is 30%!!!!!!!! Lithium is a critical component in a battery and you loose instantly 30% and battery is magically better in every way???? I think they sacrificing battery capacity, MAX power output for lifespan...

[@glennmartin6492]

@@tothimre7950 So I wonder if Lithium content can be upped for conditioning so you end up with normal capacity and discharge with extra life.

[@tothimre7950]

@@glennmartin6492 I'm not the researcher 😃so not sure... But I would say NO. Because if you think about it battery packs already fully packed. Adding extra 30% materials is lots of weight/space which is not available. Plus I don't think it work like cooking, if food is not salty you just add more 😃These Lithium atoms must be in the correct places. And if there are tons of Lithium where is should not be then it will modify the whole molecule structure, chemistry of the battery. So even charging will work differently, etc...

[@glennmartin6492]

@@tothimre7950 Well why don't they just try out a battery with extra lithium and see what the result is?

[@RobertCrickmore]

Something you will find interesting Sam. The channel TFL Truck just posted a test of a BYD hybrid pickup. They were in Texas and a friend who lives in Mexico bought it there and drove it to El Paso so they could test it.

[@nolanscheid1724]

Please add links to quote the sources.

[@TeamCykelhold]

ofc not, because it's all clickbait BS.

[@bengt_axle]

Xiao Cui et al., Joule, 29 August 2024

[@bealestreator8940]

@@bengt_axle Thank you, @bengt_axle, for that info - I simply Bing-searched and found the link.

[@manu.yt25]

He shouldn't cheap out on the source part if he wants to gain in credibility

[@737smartin]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="150">2:30</a> -ish… new batteries must undergo an initial break-in process, where they’re charged up for the first time according to a set schedule. The “10 hour” comment refers to this.

[@tothimre7950]

Yes I have read it. They say the first charge was done very very carefully to keep the Lithium as intact as possible. But even with the slow/carful FIRST charge still lost 5-10% of Lithium. With this "new" Shock charge the loss is 30%.... But they say no impact on Capacity?? Sounds very dubious... I think the Energy density or Max output something has a BIG hit in favors of the Charging Cycles (aka lifespan)...

[@ant1finox111]

I don't know if this is relavent but we have two 2022 Tesla model 3 LFP. One is now at 125,000km the other at 50,000km. The one with the high mileage gets charged at superchargers 50% of the time, where the lower mileage one is all level 2 charging at home. At 100% the car with the higher mileage shows 418 km range and the lower km car shows 412 km. When new they were both at 428km at 100%.

[@phazyy]

There is a video I've watched recently about how not to damage your LFP battery, and it has a lot to do with the way you charge your battery, I wonder if that might contribute to your problem.

[@ant1finox111]

@@phazyy I don't see it as a problem, just a point of interest. I didn't mention it but on the low mileage car we wait til it gets to 30% before charging it bak up to 100%. Once a week in the summer and twice a week in the winter. The high mileage car gets much worst treatment, often arriving to super chargers below 3%.

[@John-p7i5g]

Sounds similar to annealing a light filament to make it last longer before installing. But the problem is the output is less, so I would suspect the cost of doing this is reduced capacity, and hence reduced range. Nothing is for free.

[@pdloder]

Yes maybe - but perhaps to counter this, they might be able to add surplus redundancy when manufacturing.

[@jamesvandamme7786]

the report I read said a minimal change to capacity. At any rate, this will reduce manufacturing time, hence cost.

[@Steve-co1ic]

Perhaps Toyota could use this Tech to have battery powered piston engines for their new cars 😆

[@michaelmerckel]

@@Steve-co1ic they don't have the raw materials in Japan

[@vitora.7895]

I don´t know if this info is accurate but the downfall is the battery will lose initially 20% of it capacity(lithium) with this method.

[@JoeyBlogs007]

They might as well make the battery with 20% less Lithium in the first place. Doh 🤡🤡🤡

[@jameshack485]

Longer battery life also means the scrap value of the car is higher and cost of owning less since you can get more resale in the end

[@BlindedByLogic]

Seems like one of the easiest improvements that can be made to battery tech, definitely promising.

[@jedics1]

Imagine what this will do for the second hand Ev market? I think seeing old cars on the road is cool and Ev's that are still being driven a million km and 50 years later will be as well.

[@jamesvandamme7786]

Not good for the lithium recycling market but good for us.

[@frankcoffey]

Charging the battery cells in advance would require more caution during the rest of the pack loading process but it would be interesting if the pack could then be used to power some of the manufacturing process of the car. For example robots could tap some power from the car they are working on if they are running low so they don't have to stop working to recharge. It would also allow testing of sub systems to begin very early in the build process. After the build process cars could then be charged faster than normal or maybe still have enough to be ready to ship without delay for charging.

[@chris27gea58]

I'm not sure that this is inconsistent with other findings. There is a difference between care of a battery and preparation of a battery to provide best service or best service life. This story relates to the latter and evidently a hard workout at the outset, so to speak, serves to set the battery up for its best future operation. This sort of thing, be it noted, should already be done before anyone takes delivery of an EV. The pre-lithiation of the Anode and the correct formation of the SEI layer still seem like unfinished areas of scientific research. There seems to be always more to come on these topics.

[@oggyoggy1299]

50% increase, so twice as long. No, that’d be 100%.

[@bengt_axle]

It's kind of counterintuitive because normally heat from over charging or high-current charging promotes dendrite formation in the separator. There must be some protective effect that the high current creates around the electrode. Google smartphones now rapidly charge when the phone is very discharged, but slow down the charge rate as the charge reaches 100%.

[@jamesvandamme7786]

I used to rejuvenate (some) shorted NiMH cells by giving them big overcurrents, like 10 amps into a AA cell for a few seconds. Sometimes it worked. None ever blew up.

[@GaryBeckner-u7k]

Good news. This will help the economic decisions for BEV’s.

[@hanfucolorful9656]

Long story short, they intentionally reduce the hot water tank to about 10 years life span, so that they can make some money over time, although they can make the tank that lasts for 50 years. Same concepts apply for the batteries for the car.

[@tiagoribeiro2585]

I didn't watch the video all the way through, but did this guy mention who funded the study (Toyota)? Let me guess...

[@leizhang7266]

That's great news that batteries' number of charging cycles improved. However, in terms of its calendar life, do you have any knowledge about it?

[@stevencole7331]

I think Ford is already doing this . I saw a video on the manufacture of the Ford lightning. At completion they brought the lighting to a charge station in the plant which was a level 4 charger and charged the lighting with 480 volt 3 phase with 230 amps . It charged from 15 percent to 80 percent in 30 minutes . Not sure if this was the er or sr but I believe it was extended which is 15 minutes shorter than at a standard level 3 charger . So something is occuring at this initial charge . I think this is far higher charge than the lighting will accept so something is going on where Ford allows this high charge by changing it charge parameters just for this first charge . Now that maybe just as a time thing . Faster gets the truck out the door or maybe as Sam suggests in the video . They may not even realize the benefit along with Ford customers of the lightning . It would be interesting to know what they do for the mach e . Can't find any info on the web with Ford charging at the factory

[@daramy9507]

Why can't they create the protective layer around the electrodes before inserting them into the battery by emulating the same principle?

[@daviddunmore8415]

With 1 - 2million KM battery life, why not have standardised pack sizes and be able to buy a car without batteries and fit your existing pack. Car makers would be able to offer cars much cheaper (even including free delivery)

[@ChrisTorino1]

Hi, re your solar system, what is the initial cost and costs to pay it off?

[@kurtg3891]

these are the obvious things i expect to see as EVs increase in popularity.. Overall it is still just the beginning for them and its amazing how so many anti EV people like to constantly complain how bad the performance is with all the EV car batteries upto to this point and seem to want to imply whatever is on the market today are the end all and they were never going to be good enough or even ever get any better... its the same deal with a cell phone, right now i get way more time out of a full charge with my current newest one than i did with all the earlier cell phones i use to have in the yrs past and im still pretty sure going forwards they will be getting much better as well....

[@WalidDamouny]

This is probably forcing the spreading of the lithium ions with the high voltage, delaying the formation of dendrites. It may be possible to do the same to reverse battery deterioration.

[@ariisaac5111]

Increase in battery life span is interesting, however, is not that meaningful unless they also report what is the energy capacity loss due to the high power charging.

[@melmixpita543]

There's a ton of battery innovations in labs every day and they all promise a quantum leap forward. However they almost never make it to market. If you're going to dive into the nonstop news flow of battery innovation please be sure to keep a focus on how far they are from mainstream production and actual market products.

[@ASmithee67]

I know you're an EV advocate, but what about Hybrids as a transition step to EVs?

[@CiaranMcHale]

I suggest you do an internet search for an article called "Study reveals hybrids could have up to 4.9X lifetime emissions vs BEVs". Also, some space in a hybrid is taken up by an electric motor and (small) battery, which reduces the amount of space left over for an engine and fuel tank. Because of this, it is common for hybrids to have slow acceleration and low top speed (both due to a small engine) and possibly a small fuel tank. Finally, if you do an internet search for "fire risk ev vs ice vs hybrid", you will discover that the risk of fire in a hybrid is about twice that of an ICE car, which is many times the risk of fire in an EV. At the moment, there is no shortage of batteries to make EVs. The push for hybrid vehicles seems to be coming from legacy automakers who have not figured out how to make a compelling, profitable EV and hence are retreating to making hybrids as a stepping stone. However, their retreat into hybrids will not slow down Tesla or Chinese EV makers from continuing to make EVs, and thus there is a risk that companies that choose to focus on hybrids for the next few years may find that by the time they figure out how to make compelling, profitable EVs, the market for EVs will be saturated by Tesla and Chinese EV makers.

[@dirkvornholt2507]

.... depends on your usage profile. My guess is that 90% of users would get along with an EV without major inconveniences. The remaining 10% might opt for a plugin or an ICE.

[@pdloder]

Sam, You don't understand percentages. 50% doesn't equal "twice as many charges" - 50% equals, half as many again.

[@michaelbradley1636]

Wouldn't they HAVE to do this AFTER they were in the car? I can see it with cell phones/tablets, which have only one battery.

[@joebullwinkle5099]

Given the amount of time and money that is going into improving lithium ion battery longevity and power density, I cannot see that the hydrogen economy has a hope in hell of ever becoming mainstream for any form of transportation perhaps using green hydrogen in baseload power stations may be a possibility, however Tony Seba doesn’t think so.

[@greggm7056]

I think the battery manufacturers will eventually start designing the packs to have a shorter lifespan so they can sell more batteries and boost profits.

[@thisisnumber0]

Wow, interesting. Do you have a spoiler for tomorrow's miracle?

[@GlenisRetiredNZ]

Since I average 10k-12k km per year a million km battery really doesn't do much for me. Now if they come up with a 2,000km per charge battery, I'd only need to charge 10 times per year, maximum, that would be fabulous

[@MrGMawson2438]

Cheers bro

[@MrGMawson2438]

Afternoon bro

[@GamerplayerWT]

They need to come up with a friction sensing set of tires that can return that heat/friction back to the batteries.

[@andyfreeze4072]

??????.....regen is already a thing.

[@GamerplayerWT]

@@andyfreeze4072 For brakes, yes. But not for tires.

[@jsanders100]

@@andyfreeze4072true but tyres still generate heat

[@Nas_Atlas]

Strangely this research was funded by TRI (Toyota Research Institute). Does Toyota even make electric cars.

[@elmerdenbraven5643]

Hybrids have batteries too

[@beautifulgirl219]

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[@Islamisthecultofsin]

The climate is slowly cooling not warming. Stop letting them brainwash you.

[@klarafall4281]

I think he said "Imagine they double the lifespan" and "already some automakers are making claims beyong any ICE vehicle. He did not really turn the 50% into double.

[@pdloder]

He said it several times.

[@wonderwalls3565]

sounds like the super charger capacitor for phones which never came out.

[@pearlfinder1]

Maybe we will end up buying a car without a battery because we already have a useful battery from previous cars who knows?

[@jpmackin]

Thought of our future charges me up….

[@tallon5457]

Sounds great , if its true.🤞

[@MrMartin627]

Please add sources

[@BlindedByLogic]

They're in the description, sources are almost always there for all videos.

[@adamraymer-brown6566]

It may be a 50% better cell degradation rates, indicating double the battery life.

[@andreandre1051]

👍👍

[@user-st6mx8xd8f]

Another week another game changing battery technology 😆

[@DavesCave]

50% is not double. It is half as much again. 2 becomes 3.

[@ziad_jkhan]

Researchers, which researchers?

[@holycreation]

Try searching for the article ?😅

[@bengt_axle]

Chui et al. 2024. Data-driven analysis of battery formation reveals the role of electrode utilization in extending cycle life. Joule Aug. 2024.

[@ziad_jkhan]

@@bengt_axle Impressive 🔌 😯

[@akujiwar]

You make it sound like a 50% increase doubles lifespan, or sometimes even up to 70%.. for what, more than double? how can one be talking about tech, but getting percentages this wrong.

[@SuperUbuntudude]

[@michaelmerckel]

Sounds like psuedo-science but happy to be proven wrong source or link to research please?

[@holycreation]

DiY

[@Bonta768]

He said first seen in french publication Joule

[@advancedbodydesign]

Older EV's will DEPRECIATED Fast!!

[@adus123]

so say you drive 15000k a year that Battery will last 130 years so even if you use it to power your home its still going to outlive you, (Going on your 2 million k Battery )

[@christopherhamilton5557]

This was hard to follow…

[@maxg4958]

$10 per day; sorry, not in AU!

[@mortensen117]

" I cannot buy an EV, because it is tooooo expensive to replace the battery!!"

[@hanswitvliet8188]

If Tesla batteries are being reused for powerwalls. Why are they so disgusting expensive?

[@GetOutThere1]

Search for Dala's EV Repair and his awesome work and open source to use old high voltage battery as powerwall. Without opening it just plug it in to your solar system.

[@Islamisthecultofsin]

Those are new batteries in them.

[@nicevideomancanada]

50% longer is not double.

[@FrancisFjordCupola]

Math failure. In order to last twice as long, the lifespan needs to be increased by 100%. Still any improvement through a small extra step is more than well worth it.

[@jmohammed5487]

Can somone simplify everything he said (CONDENSE it for me please)

[@MrGMawson2438]

Seems to be bloody good but I bet soon it's going to get better than this

[@psychosis7325]

Ignoring the bad math. Had a customer bring in his 1972 merc with 2,400,000 on the clock/books, original engine, still lovely to drive... Also only costs about 10-15k to do all new brakes and suspension plus replace some worn out carpets and drivers seat making it really not worth throwing away if the battery is still good. Used to often do reco engine, new brakes tyres and suspension on cars and vans for people for under $20k giving them their vehicle back almost like new rather than them gambling on used lemon that needs that done soon anyway. Honestly should be more argument to keep EVs than ICE in that way since they're so simple to maintain 🤷‍♂️

[@ISuperTed]

This charges everything

[@hardi.howdy.983]

Its not a "game-changer"? Disappointing! We miss your game-changers.

[@Withnail1969]

Lies.

[@MayonaiseSailor]

This dude has seriouse math issues ... hahhaha

[@saeedboroomand830]

Why do you talk that much? Just give the f…ing news

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