Responding To Fr. James Martin

[@BrianHoldsworth]

I've already seen a few comments jumping to his defense about how he doesn't contradict Church teaching. Well, I didn't say he does in the video. I was responding to his specific statement he published in response to Bishop Strickland and Cardinal Muller. But, if you want an indictment, here it is. Fr. Martin says that Church teaching is about, "...making those who feel excluded to feel included." That's an exact quote. Well, Fr. Martin has consistently promised that change is coming in the Church and that we should be looking at changing the language in the catechism. Well, I'm an orthodox Catholic who believes that doctrines are timeless and campaigning for change makes me "feel" excluded. And I guarantee I'm not the only one. Therefore, Fr. Martin, by his own definition, is making people feel excluded which is a violation of Church teaching according to his own definition.

[@Morningstar-xz5bl]

@@brightskysyl3913 by disinterested they mean without bias or self interest such as a true friend who cares about the state of your soul. we all have a cross to bear it is difficult, but like st paul who had a thorn inhis side he ran the good race and fought the good fight and got the prize in the end.

[@Morningstar-xz5bl]

there are two ways of taking it if a mother is disinterested emotionally towards her child then it would be uncaring unmoved, but in this case means impartial, objective, like perhaps a priest in confession

[@SwordOfMouthMinistries777]

@brightskysyl There really is no need to develop a catechism further. It is only a compendium of Church teaching. Think of it like a pocket dictionary. Not just that, think of it like a pocket dictionary for middle school kids. And when speaking of this particular catechism in comparison to others in the past, it is definitely no Webster's. Homosexual acts aren't described in detail but why should they be? Should this be a book that parents keep locked away from their children? It is clear that the catechism is speaking of any and all homosexual acts as intrinsically disordered. So what is a homosexual act? Well for one it is an "act". Two, it is an "act" that stirs up "sexual" passions. Three, it is an "act" that stirs up "sexual" passions between two people of the "same sex". "Homo" means "same" in Greek. I think we all can agree that caresses can stir up sexual passions, whether the person caressing intends to or not. At the very least, it is a near occasion of sin. Is admiring other person's physical appearance of the same gender an objectively disordered experience? Is there or could there be any passion? Is holding hands with your same gender friend out of comfort and platonic love an objectively disordered act? Is there or could there be any passion? If there is no passion, could it cause scandal? Is relying emotionally to your same gender friend an objectively disordered desire? Is there or could there be any passion? I don't understand why it should be impossible for SSA people to have disinterested friendships. Surely every friendship wouldn't constitute a near occasion of sin.

[@Morningstar-xz5bl]

@@brightskysyl3913 the two most important laws according to Christ are to love God with all your heart with all your mind and with all your strength and the second is to love your neighbour as yourself. so we should love ourselves as you would treat someone with great respect with gentleness but not give into every desire and want disinterested yet with a holy love since God is holy. .

[@SwordOfMouthMinistries777]

@brightskysyl I have a disinterested friendship with person who has experienced SSA. In fact, he is perhaps my closest friend. He was away from the Catholic Church for a while but has started to come back. In fact, he is going to a Catholic conference next month to rejuvenate his faith. He knows I would never condone it if he lived a lifestyle in open rebellion against God and he knows I care about him. I truly am sorry that other SSA people can't find the same type of friendships in the Church and I would offer them my prayers that they soon do. Yes, caresses don't always stir up sexual passions. People that didn't have a weakness in this area could do this without it being a near occasion of sin.

[@7swordquanta459]

"We do not really want a religion that is right where we are right. What we want is a religion that is right where we are wrong.” - G.K. Chesterton

[@vickersonp]

You’ve nailed it Brian. I love you converts to Catholicism ....you have made a reasoned decision inspired by the Holy Spirit to join the Catholic Church. You have done this through much prayer, study and discernment. You converts are like jewels in the body of our church...God bless you and keep up your good work.

[@xavierosam3ngoenheswae377]

You're right. There's always a lot to learn from converts.

[@francoisegregyi233]

The problem is Brian converted to the "conciliar church" (of Vatican2), not unfortunately to the true Roman Catholic Church founded by Jesus Christ and which has been "eclipsed" by antipopes since October 1958, following the death of the last legitimate Pope Pius XII.

[@virginiaculhane7166]

@@francoisegregyi233 Jesus sent the Paraclete to guide the Church in all Truth until He returns. Your statement is in direct conflict with the words of Jesus. Are you calling Him a liar?

[@dawsongomes9727]

Thanks Brian for the standing up for the Truth. Feel edified

[@TomLandry1]

@@francoisegregyi233 - Can you share with us the ERRORS that Brian is spreading? Can you point to the specific things he's said or done that are at odds with the eternal faith that existed prior to 1958? If not, then - respectfully friend, you are just being a schismatic.

[@joncerda351]

As a Gay man who has recently come back to the RCC, you are spot on. I've been apart of the gay community for about 12 years and it's been an unhappy ride. So many deaths, disease, disappointment, in spite of what TV and the media tells you about it, it's a blatant lie. I still say "I'm gay" because it's a term that people understand, but I am so much more than that. In finding out about relativism and the promotion of "love is love" which is a LIE, finding out about Truth and what is true love lead me back to the RCC.

[@gpfeia]

God loves you Jon - I pray you find the spiritual guidance and direction you need without feeling excluded and unworthy of love.

[@st.michaelthearchangel7774]

Jon, thank you for sharing! God bless you, brother.

[@Catholic-Redpilled-Spaniard]

Thanks for sharing brother. All the best

[@eamonob84]

Welcome home to the Church, brother! Great to have you back!

[@gerd37]

Beautiful Jon. God bless you for your honesty. May it bring others to/back to Christ’s One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church

[@daveunbelievable6313]

after looking into religion again because of someone i watched on youtube I thought there must be a god because our material universe must require an immaterial creator. I became convinced of jesus because of the testimony of the early christians , then I became convinced god founded a true church when talking with people on discord about the faith. At first I thought the one church simply was any christian, but after some catholics online informed me about their church I looked into it and accepted the catholic church because like you I think their claims are legitimate. And i have to say becoming catholic is the best decision of my life!

[@djrn1621]

Dave unbelievable amen so beautiful! May God bless you always!!

[@adrian7856]

welcome to the ship friend, but be careful cause right now we are going through a big storm

[@richarddatoy2077]

God bless you Dave. 😇🙏🙏🙏

[@st.michaelthearchangel7774]

Awesome, Dave! I am really excited to know that God used his people to help you, even through discord! Thank you for sharing. =)

[@kennethtan2605]

Hi Dave, ive been a catholic 56 years, baptised a catholic as a baby, struggled to live up to its tenets since my youth(ps. Im one of the regulars weekly at the confessional in my youth.🤔🤗😜...need i say more! But with readiing the Teachings of many of the saints, the Cathechism of the Catholic Church, i hv come to value all that She stands for. In the Mass, the "source and summit of the spiritual life" and Confession and daily prayer, you will get through ALL THE UPS AND DOWNS of yr journey with Jesus our Lord and Saviour. Welcome home and i cannot desire for anyone anything greater than to embrace the Fullness of Her Teachings through frequent reception of the Holy Eucharist!!(Gentle note: Confession is essential b4 communion for MORTAL SINS). God bless.🤗🤗🤗🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻

[@cynthiax56]

Jesus said: "Go and sin NO MORE" He didn't tell them to keep sinning

[@jwrosenbury]

I agree. But... We all start our Christian journey somewhere. Sometimes this somewhere is a happy, loving home with Christian parents and normal (as in average) proclivities. Sometimes it's in a broken home or a war torn nation, or sexually unusual urges, or who knows what else, or some mix of these. As Christians we need to reach out and meet these people. This is a hard task, in part because we need to be compassionate and understanding of sins we ourselves don't share and wish to mistakenly judge harshly. In part it's hard because we need to balance that compassion with an unwavering commitment to rejecting our own sins including the mistake of accepting the sin when we accept the sinner. Finding a balance between rejecting sin while forgiving sinners is hard. But remember the parable of the dishonest steward. Jesus praised the man rejected for his mistakes when he forgave others. If one must err, let it be on the side of forgiveness.

[@cynthiax56]

@@jwrosenbury I agree that cirrecting errir should be done with love and compassion, but it doesn't mean that we should excuse sin ewither. I am not talking about being harsh with people but never-the-less we are called to speak the truth and not lead people into sin & error which can possibly then lead them to destruction

[@jwrosenbury]

@@cynthiax56 Are we allowed to lead them out of error? Are we allowed to point out that the Catholic teachings are ideals to aim toward, not rules to be condemned by? Or do we just say, "Sorry, you're a sinner. Instantly change the way I want or go to hell." The Bible touches on sexual morality. Yet it pounds on economic morality. Time and again we are told to take care of widows and orphans. Don't engage in unfair and unholy economic practices. Most of the Old Testament and much of the New are about these issues. Anti-gay passages are few by comparison. (They do exist, and I'm not claiming they don't or shouldn't be obeyed.) Now there is no practice so devastating to the poor as usury. It crushes people's lives. It tempts them into sins such as drug dealing which leads to over 25% of young men in poor neighborhoods being murdered. So, do you own a credit card? Do you own a bank account with a bank that issues credit cards? I can hear the justifications already. Don't bother. It's pretty much impossible to live in a modern society without supporting usury on some level. I understand that. I'm just asking you to show the same amount of forgiveness and understanding for LGBT sins as you do for your own.

[@cynthiax56]

@@jwrosenbury I ALWAYS prefer the kind and gentle approve, because it is more effective and well...more Christian, I do not believe in screaming at people or abusing them to make a point. but YES there are MANY verses which tell us to correct sinners. Here are 2 of them. If I had time I could find several more. CORRECTING A SINNER: 1 TIMOTHY 5:20 KJ21 Those who sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear. JAMES 5:20 KJ21 let him know that he who converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.

[@cynthiax56]

@@jwrosenbury We are not to condone evil and are supposed to speak the truth in love

[@AJ-cp6wn]

Pray for the purification of our church

[@mcmemmo]

Maybe you should start your own church like Martin Luther.

[@mcmemmo]

@Tango Mike Vatican II is an valid Eumenical Church council called by one Pope, and the 16 documents it produced were signed & proglamated by another Pope. That makes it's docrines INFALLIBLE and BINDING on all who profess to be in communion with the ONE HOLY CATHOLIC and APOSTOLIC Church. You can either accept that, or schism off to join the other Protestants who do not respect the universal Magisterial authority of the Bishops when acting in communion with the Pope. Martin Luther believed he could be his own authority and "reform" the Church to his liking. You either accept the authority of Vatican II and remain Catholic or leave as a Protestant.

[@mcmemmo]

@Tango Mike You must be a deeply disturbed person to write such obnoxious posts. Like it or not, there is a dividing line between Catholics & Protestants when it comes to the issue of authority. Catholics recognize and submit to the authority of the Magisterium (Pope, Bishops & Councils), but Protestants do not. Denying the authority of Vatican II or the legitimacy of a duly elected Pope, makes you a Protestant by definition. No accusation needed. At the Council of Trent, much of what Luther had to say was affirmed, but not all of it. The "Sola" doctrines were rejected, and for good reason. They don't work. In any case, the very notion of praying for the "purification" of the Church is by definition a form puritanism - where do you think the name "Puritan" comes from? I have nothing against followers of other religions. People are free to believe whatever they like as long as they don't falsely claim to be Catholic, and anyone who denies the authority of Vatican II, Pope Francis, or the Bishops who support him ARE NOT CATHOLIC.

[@mcmemmo]

@Tango Mike Your type is easy to peg. You accuse others of what are really your own crimes against the truth. Since you have no response but insults to my highly coherent and informative argument, you lose. You are not Catholic. Also, I spoke of beliefs, and you list off behaviors. Was that a category error or deliberate stupidity?

[@billy1132]

@@mcmemmo Thank GOD in CHRIST, Luther exposed the 95 unbiblical traditions of the church of rome. Thank GOD he launched The Protestant Christian? Thank GOD in CHRIST in 1996, i read the bible n i came out of the church of rome n Came Home to JESUS n CHRIST Alone winning many with me from this unbiblical 'church' into Protestant Christianity! Praise GOD in JESUS I thrashed my unholy rosary beads which glorifies a long DEAD human mother of Our Lord GOD JESUS CHRIST 10 times more than Our Heavenly Father!!!!

[@agnesgruenerbl]

Absolutely nailed it! But there is one aspect not highlighted in enough: yes, Jesus turned to people on the edge, people left out ... but as in the case of the samaritan woman, or mary magdalene, or zacchaeus... he showed them a new live, told them he would not judge them ... but then he also said: DO NOT SIN ever again ...this part many priests like Fr Martin tend to skip

[@claredate]

That's where I thought he was going with that example when he brought it up too! :)

[@edwardkleinguetl378]

Nailed it!

[@moffrofflplock600]

Well and Paul said: Whatever you dare to defamate other people, you will be this is what you will be more then ten times. For the greatest sin is judging people. I know authoritatarian thinking has little space for self criticism and consideration of different biblical texts. But well, at least you shouldn't just call you an christian if you're only come so far.

[@chrisselph2674]

Kelly doesn’t matter if they do or not what matters is that they OUGHT not to sin again

[@adastra123]

Brilliant ! I was thinking about that and you gave me the final bit of the puzzle. Nice one.

[@coinfishmedia]

Brian, I’ve recently been disappointed in some good Catholic media personalities that seem to either compromise truth for misguided charity; or on the other hand, compromise charity and obedience in the name of truth. You are breath of fresh air in these times and a model of truth in charity for us all. May God continue to bless you guide you my brother.

[@splashpont]

Misguided charity.... Can charity ever be truly misguided? At it's heart is love.

[@TomLandry1]

@@splashpont - Respectfully, I think the better word above would be "mercy", but yes, I believe both Charity and Mercy can be misguided. If I encounter an alcoholic who wants a drink, is it true "charity" if I give them a bottle of Whisky? If I encounter a brother persisting in Sin, is it true "Mercy" if I tell them, "Hey, it's ok to do whatever makes you happy in this moment; don't worry about the eternal consequences". Wouldn't the true Charity to walk with the Alcoholic to assist them in finding help to face their alcoholism? Wouldn't true Mercy to be to love my Brother enough to tell them the truth? (In love, of course - not in anger or "judgment") but to try to guide them out of their sin? Just my opinion.....

[@monicamohan4720]

It is not anti gay to love people enough to give them The Truth.

[@splashpont]

Unless you are told to stop. Or you just keep saying the same thing over and over again. Or you kick out your kid because you fear for his soul--or your own reputation.

[@monicamohan4720]

Yes, loving another does not include self interest. True love has pure motives towards the other's welfare. You are correct. So, it should be Truth, in love.

[@anthtan]

Or "not inclusive" or "rigid" or "Pharasaical" or "bigoted" or "unchristian" or [insert well-worn adjective] etc. etc.

[@paulparis2010]

@Baron Kaza Who are you to say so? :)

[@paulparis2010]

Do you love LGBT people?

[@lapaii8faith]

"Do not accept anything as the truth if it lacks love, and do not accept anything as love which lacks truth! One without the other becomes a destructive lie." - St Teresa Benedicta of the Cross (Edith Stein)

[@mikeyds0425]

Amen

[@eugenbanauch3866]

that's as deep and concise as it gets.

[@ntmn8444]

Truth right there. I should put that somewhere.

[@GrantH]

I’m not a Catholic, but I have many friends who are, and I greatly appreciate thinkers like you who have a deep respect for church tradition. Far too many Christians in the modern day have lost their way in attempting to appeal to worldliness.

[@youkokun]

GrantH Thank you for taking the risk :)

[@purewater77887]

You are absolutely right.

[@splashpont]

How is love between any two people in a civil marriage an appeal to worldliness? Seems a bit traditional, actually.

[@Dagger_323]

splashpont love and marriage are to be between a man and a woman. Not just any random “two people.”

[@coachchris548]

@@splashpont Christ elevated marriage to A Holy Sacrament , between a man and a woman. No such thing as a civil marriage because man removes God from it. Call it a sodomical unions

[@junelledembroski9183]

I grew up in a secular family. I believed in God anyway by the time I was 5. My family said they were christian but all we did was Christmas. No church, no praying except Thanksgiving which was basically thanking God for stuff and things. I found myself by 8, talking to God randomly throughout my days. My sister became christian at that time and started reading the Bible to me every night as a bedtime story. She didn’t tell me it was truth, or what we were to believe. Then we started praying every night before bedtime for a short while. When my dad moved out, my mom remarried right away and my sister and I were more concerned about protecting each other. She became “spiritual” and her husband attacked my sister, then we moved in with my dad who was pretty much atheist. That’s when I was 12, I started getting into ouija boards and magic, and having night terrors. Sleep paralysis. When I was 14 I started wanting to get religion again. I started hearing this word Catholic. My mom vehemently objected (free love spiritism, they said Jesus sometimes). In high school, the kids from the Assembly of God had me going to their Wednesday church and taking communion that I didn’t even have training for, I didn’t know what I was eating or why I was eating it. I still only had eyes for the Catholic Church that no one wanted me to be. When I became of age, I got kicked out of my moms house, and got fired for not having a residence. Lived on the streets for two years. The only church that helped me was catholic. Lutheran Church told me I needed to leave the premises when I went for daily bread. Catholic Church gave me gas, food, and clothing vouchers and helped me get a job and keep my place to live. Got married to a guy who said he was catholic, who wasn’t, and it got me into a heap of trouble for 10 years. He was bisexual and a Wiccan and when I was 4 months pregnant with his child I came home and he was with another man. I left him and thought it hopeless because I only believed in one marriage. But I met a true catholic who helped me get converted and married him (after annulment of course). And we have four beautiful kids. I’ll never give up my Jesus or my catholic faith. ❤️❤️❤️

[@love4music8ballet]

What a tough and beautiful story! God had called you since you were a child. The bad experiences probably purified your soul and will help you to help other people. God bless you, your husband and your children. I hope that your sister is doing well also. Keep your parents in your prayers.

[@junelledembroski9183]

@@love4music8ballet If he hadn’t have called me when I was a child, I don’t know what would have happened. I’ve been really horrendously abused my whole life. I’ve blocked out and still can’t remember things from the time I was 6, I’ll be 41 in September. Thank God He called me at 5. “Look at me, child, and not your circumstances.” I’ve always been what people called happy-go-lucky. I didn’t start feeling sorry for myself until I was around 32, and shortly after, I gave that up for that saying I heard. “Look at me, child, and not your circumstances.” And when you look at God, it hurts momentarily, you get the reflection of yourself in His light, some turn away. I pray I do not turn away. God bless you in Jesus’s name for your beautiful reply. Amen. ❤️

[@minorityvoice9253]

The deeper you go I to the faith the more you truly appreciate the unwavering witness of the martyrs Fathers doctors and saints who never would compromise truth for the respect of men.

[@splashpont]

And that's why St. Thomas Aquinas did not believe in the Immaculate Conception .

[@donm-tv8cm]

@minorityvoice - isn't that the truth! As a Protestant now seeking to become Catholic, I can say that it's that very thing - the unwavering witness through history, the unwillingness to compromise with the World, the not seeking respect of men - that has drawn me to look at the Catholic Church to begin with. And the more I learn, the more I am in awe of it!

[@llkid6760]

As a protestant, I wholeheartedly agree! Very thoughtfully expressed.

[@MiddleEarths]

Just amazed, Brian, on how you, a young convert, are such a beacon of wisdom and faith. Thank you, made my day.

[@lufayoubhopes8997]

christianity goes to rock-bottom islam is the fast growing religion in the world as per western media had said,have u read quran

[@Citadin]

@@lufayoubhopes8997 it's because of subversion from perverts like "Fr" James Martin that Christianity has been ceding ground to Islam in the West. I've got nothing against Islam, in fact they are also being attacked by the same satanic forces.

[@TheSaraManal]

lufayoub hopes I am from Iraq & I know that millions of “Muslims” joined the church or Christianity in general but in secret.. bc of the fear of Muhammad’s teaching on killing whoever leaves the faith الردة These can’t be counted publicly but you’ll be surprised once people feel freer how many Christians are ther in so called Muslim countries

[@TheSaraManal]

Citadin Countless of people are Christian/catholic bc of Fr Martin You have no problem with Islam? How ignorant can you be? Fr martin is your enemy but not Islam?

[@auntpurl5325]

I'm no longer a Catholic, but a Christian in a non denominational church. I really appreciated the final picture you drew when you said it's like giving someone a high five as they're drowning. This mentality is affecting so many churches, not just yours. I thought this would be one area that the rcc would not give in on.

[@beautifulspirit7420]

Thank God we have the Magesterium and the Catechism alongside the Bible teaching the fullness of the Gospel so when we have leaders not willing to give us the Gospel we can still find it and the orthodox truth of Jesus.

[@tomstulc9143]

Why surprise What you gave up on other wicked RRC would give up on you.

[@ujue1966]

We all need to build our Catholic faith stronger now. Be a proud Catholic. Don't let all these evil things make us leave or walk away from the church! Great video thank you!

[@kathleenirish]

YES

[@SimplyBeautiful516]

Thank you for explaining this in such a reasonable manner. Even Jesus Himself, along with his apostles, continued to warn believers that there would be those who came into the church as wolves in sheep’s clothing in order to cause confusion, doubt and divisions. This is throughout the New Testament that was written over several decades. That’s why the Bereans were continually searching the Scripture in order to see if there was any contradiction to Holy Scriptures in the words and teachings of all those who claimed to be Apostles or teachers of the gospel of Jesus Christ.

[@frvallima9044]

@ Brian Holdsworth, greetings from Rio de Janeiro, Brazil. You are a doing a brilliant job towards real evangelization via social media. God bless. Fr Val Lima.

[@sheilas9405]

Nice to hear this from the younger generation. Bless you for seeing the difference. I’m only 60 and grew up during the hippy generation. It wasn’t until I was older that I realized a lot of what you are saying. You are either in 100% or your not a Catholic.

[@DK-jg5vk]

I'm with you. There has been a lot of confusion within the Catholic church which the Bible has warned of. I find clarity by reading the Bible where God reveals himself directly to me and I encourage everyone to start reading it daily. I think God wants us to have the strength of a clear and peaceful mind during these chaotic times.

[@eileen1820]

Thank you addressing this heretical priest. It always bothers me when ppl seem to act like they know how Jesus would behave and think. Jesus is our Lord and Savior. He IS the Truth. Some pushover SJW He was not; certainly not in the Scriptures.

[@mcmemmo]

Eileen D What are you, some kind of "Sola Scriptura" Protestant? Since when do Catholics blindly follow Scripture when it comes to Church doctrine? You won't find the Immaculate Conception or the Assumption of Mary in Scripture, but no doctrines better exemplify the genius of the Catholic way than those two. When Jesus taught mercy in the 1st century, his followers pushed the culture ahead of where it was at that time. The Church must ALWAYS change and adapt to the changing world around it so as to stay ahead of the curve regarding what it means to be a follower of Christ. Father Martin is following Jesus by looking at LGBT people and relationships through the lens of the Gospel. He is doing the Catholic thing that makes the Development of Doctrine a feature, not a bug, of the Catholic Church. The future of the Church requires that the Gospel be poured fresh into the flexible wine skins of each new generation or it will cease to be Good News. Father Martin was invited by the Vatican to speak at the World Meeting of Families. Calling him a heretical makes YOU A HERETICAL!

[@eileen1820]

@@mcmemmo Lol ok

[@virginiaculhane7166]

@@mcmemmo First I'd like to point out that you don't know Eileen D and you are making unfounded accusations against her. Second I'd like to respond to your statement "The Church must ALWAYS change and adapt to the changing world around it." This is exactly what the Church does not do. It does not follow the world, it leads the world. The Truth does not change as the world moves away from it. The Truth is the Standard by which the world is measured. We might have to learn new ways to address the world, but it is not by changing the Truth. Regarding your statement "to stay ahead of the curve regarding what it means to be a follower of Christ," What specifically are you saying? Can you give a concrete example? To be a follower of Christ is to obey His commandments, out of love for Him. His commandments will never be amended to "stay ahead of the curve" of societal norms. He said he did not come to change a letter of the law. Check out that law. Read the chapter on sexual purity in Leviticus. Our culture idolizes sex. Do we need to get ahead of that curve? At Fatima, Mary told Sr. Lucia that more people go to hell for sins of the flesh. Our efforts should be to encourage purity, not make allowances for impurity out of some misplaced charity. The phrase of not pouring new wine into old wine-skins was a reference to the fact that Jesus was not trying to patch up Judaism. His teaching would not fit withing the limits of Mosaic Law. His remarks were in response to a question about fasting. Your use of the phrase is totally an invention and has nothing to do with what Jesus was talking about. Finally, Fr. Martins invitation to speak at the World Meeting of Families does not in any way confer Sainthood on him.

[@accidentalbreakfast1605]

hey! I recognize ur comments from Daily Wire on Barron! Ur cool! :)

[@eileen1820]

@@accidentalbreakfast1605 Lol too funny! Thank you so much! I don't care if my Mom paid you to say that - I'm all happy now 😄😄!

[@gilgaidola7720]

Hey Brian great video..I would add that Christ/ church is always reaching out to everyone..but like you said He reaches out to transform lives in order to put away their sinfulness ..Christ said to the woman caught in adultery " neither do I condemn you, go and sin no more " keep up the awesome work Brian!

[@LauFiu]

Mr Holdsworth, Prayers from your family here in New Zealand. Remain strong.

[@bethgroves4962]

Very well said, Brian! It is genuine love and goodness that seeks to save the lost as Jesus did, by showing them the truth, instead of affirming them in their lost way.

[@riverjao]

LOOOVE the Knight helmet behind you! Never noticed it before.

[@thedefender9516]

DEUS VULT, me too

[@lph7504]

Thank you Brian for standing up for truth and pointing out heretics. There are so much confusion in the world now. Your voice is so much needed in the confused age.

[@SROSA-ci1kl]

Beautiful. You are gentle, eloquent while affirming the truth. God bless you.

[@marybethknappwilliston4503]

I love Fr. Mike Schmitz's explanation of homosexuality. He states that [ sic] ," if one has those feelings or identity, that is not a sin. ACTING ON IT is..." I urge anyone to look him up. This is not his personal opinion. Thank you! I stumbled upon your website and loved it! Prayers for you and your family!🙏🙏🙏🙏

[@leandrogasperi3669]

And, tell me, how does anyone manage to live not "acting" according to their identity??????????? Do you think what you listen, read, write or say??? Or you just live without thinking?

[@Moerilind]

The problem with this statement is, it is there to make us feel more comfortable. In the preaching on the mount Jesus himself was very clear that, even thoughts are sinful. "Whoever lusts for a woman in their heart has comitted adultery" he set e pretty high standard because as we can read in John 3 "unless a man is born again he cannot enter the kingdom of heaven" we need a new birth, the way how we are/feel and act is not ok and we should never seek ways to make what we do seem normal and ok but instead seek God for change, new birth and a renewed mind.

[@logansweet4190]

@@Moerilind If I had to read between the lines I believe this thinking and desires would be more akin to random thoughts and base desires that need to be controlled with a lifetime of discipline. Random thoughts and desires arent sin. It is the choice to fantasize and reflect on those thoughts once you realize you are doing it that is sin.

[@melindaanne6036]

@@logansweet4190 exactly! Only if one chooses to dwell on a thought does it become sin. Feelings that pop up in our minds are not sin. It’s like a man noticing a pretty woman and acknowledging that she is pretty is not a sin, willfully and consciously lusting after her is!

[@ntmn8444]

@@leandrogasperi3669 a person is more than just their sexual urges. We are more than our bodies. To say you’re nothing more than a gay man or woman would be to take away your dignity as a person. You are both body AND soul. It is possible. All things are possible in God. We were given reason and will because we are not animals, so we CAN choose to not act on our desires.

[@62471samuelwilson]

Not to mention that the message of the gospel always involved repentance, "repent, and believe in the gospel." Jesus always called his disciples to turn away from sin, not to continue on as they had always lived before. By the way, like the Les Pauls in the background. Anyone who keeps a sunburst Les Paul on their wall is okay in my book.

[@reniaesaddler8632]

“Jesus always met people where they were at but he never left them there.” So true. He found me, took my hand, and raised me up. He didn’t leave me where I was, miserable wretch that I was.

[@memememe843]

Brilliant. Thank you for a clearly and well reasoned response.

[@sonnyjim5268]

Thanks Brian, you made a point I hadn’t considered- Jesus did reach out to those living lives contrary to God but said basically I love you, come to me and sin no more. With Father Martin and his ilk he is saying come to the Church but it’s ok to continue your sinful ways. Jesus welcomed all, but insisted they stop sinning.

[@splashpont]

Jesus did not tell everyone to stop sinning. He went to peoples homes, and some of the people followed him (only Matthew from that tax collector crowd). The bible says nothing about the rest of them. Though, Jesus did condemn the self-righteous religious types who pointed fingers!

[@ca4882]

Father Martin is confusing everything. Faithful Catholics that have followed the authority of the church for all of our lives and trying to be faithful and following the dogmas and doctrines feel completely undermined and feel thrown by the wayside by priests like him. We always knew that you don't condemn anyone but you walk alongside them but always teaching TRUTH. TRUTH. TRUTH. never discriminate, walk alongside the person but "everything" is not ok.

[@paulmiller3469]

Good post, Celia, in my humble opinion.

[@tomgjokaj5680]

And the sick part about it is Fr Martin is confusing people on purpose I personally believe father Martin is a homosexual himself so he wants to force the church to except, sexuality as normal that will not cannot be done Mt 16:18 thank you Jesus

[@paulparis2010]

Dear Celia, I do think that many Catholics don't care about welcoming different people, getting to know them, respecting or loving them... I do think that many Catholics just want one single thing : being right :) You think you're right? Well, YOU ARE RIGHT! Happy?

[@ca4882]

@@paulparis2010 it does not make me happy. I just want to live the best way I can to honor my Lord and Savior... the Church really does teach to walk with the person without judgment but why confuse everyone saying "everything is ok" ,,when it is truly not.... it would make me happy to see some people disappear but it's not right. So...

[@frankkinley6272]

The problem with Father Martin is that I do not hear him saying that all homosexuals should live a chaste life for the sake of the Kingdom & for the sake of the Catholic Church. I also do not hear Father Martin saying that sodomy is the number one problem the church faces today. both active sodomite priests & inactive priests. I also do not hear Father Martin boldly proclaiming that homosexuals should never be ordained to the priesthood which the Catholic Church made very clear during the 8th century.

[@anthtan]

Frank Kinley and *even* Pope Francis (gasp!) says homosexuals should not be ordained!!

[@rockpaperscissors82]

That's it. Fr. Martin has never upheld the Church's teaching on sexual expression between same-sex couples. He obfuscates and avoids it. He even said that the Church's teaching has never been "received" by the Catholic LGBT community as some sort of proof that there is more doctrinal development needed. That's the closest he has come to explicitly endorsing same-sex sex. He also said that he longs for the day when a gay couple can kiss during mass.

[@splashpont]

@@rockpaperscissors82 The Kiss of Peace (Shalom). Like all people do in Europe, even if they are two guys. Like Jesus did, even when his betrayer came to say hello in the Garden of Gethsemane.

[@rockpaperscissors82]

I'm not talking about a kiss on the cheek. I'm talking about on the lips, which certainly in our American context has romantic connotations.

[@sadie4538]

@@rockpaperscissors82 They guy is a pervert, plain and simple! Hey, Jimmy Martin! Get the heck out of our Church and stop distorting the truth!

[@tesschavit3009]

The devil used father Martin to create division within the catholic church. We pray to God, that may Our Almighty God may enlighten his mind and do the holy will of God.

[@bumblebee5926]

“IF” Martin undermined Catholic teaching is an understatement.

[@websterlee7708]

Thank you Brian for bringing up the reality of so called “Original Thinkers”. 99% of what we’ve learned!” Excellent point.

[@annawild7117]

Promoting, celebrating, defending or remaining silent regarding sin makes you a sinner too. And it is true we must love and welcome sinners like Jesus did but further help them give up their sin. God bless you

[@navy4735]

outstanding video. Fr. Martin is a confused priest and a confused individual, personally he should just go be a social worker. Really tired of him and his heretical teachings.

[@KMF3]

No we definitely do not need for him to be a social worker or in the mental health field in any way shape or form he already confuses enough people as it is.

[@lexinoel7]

instead of using the word confused, it looks more like manipulative

[@aileenbordelon7884]

A.ROMERO78USN We don’t need anymore shady social workers.

[@johnpglackin345]

He is not really confused, he is doing this on purpose. To turn people away from Jesus's True Teachings.

[@laramaui4114]

A.ROMERO78USN i believe he is manipulative

[@bobbartholomew8404]

Fr. Bob+ Very good answer, The Church does not hate the sinner, we dislike the sin. Like you said we have too follow the teaching of the Church. We can not change it on our own way of thinking.

[@jaracena59]

You have spoken like someone really full of the Holy Spirit. Thank you for pouring light over so much darkness!

[@aliasreco]

Ah.....you like CS Lewis... I thought already why I liked you so much. I have nearly all his books. Great thinking!

[@xavierosam3ngoenheswae377]

Ditto. I come back periodically to the old Chronicles.

[@davidhumphrey7874]

Its funny how many Catholics love CS Lewis despite the fact that Lewis was an Anglican.

[@xavierosam3ngoenheswae377]

@@davidhumphrey7874 I know. But I think if he lived in this time, he would have converted. I can't imagine him tolerating women "bishops" and many other things that the english Church is doing these days (even if he called us "papists" xD).

[@davidhumphrey7874]

@@xavierosam3ngoenheswae377 I don't know. I think he might have opted for the Orthodox church. What with the sex abuse scandal (which is an unfair criticism of a whole faith..still).

[@davidhumphrey7874]

Just for clarification; I'm not Catholic, but I believe in its teachings. I believe it is the church that our Lord founded. I believe in Christ's presence in the Eucharist. And Lord willing, I plan to take RCIA classes and enter the church. No scandal will break that faith. Just saying...

[@jennbull0247]

I really enjoyed your level headed commentary Brian. I was really surprised to learn recently, that only approximately 2% of the human population is homosexual. With the frequency that homosexual lifestyles are portrayed in the media, I guess I just assumed it was higher than that. The society around us is pushing an agenda to normalize and celebrate a lifestyle that is contrary to God’s standards. It shouldn’t be surprising, really. For those 2% that are homosexual, I feel for them. I hate that their whole being is minimized to just a sexual orientation. They are people. I don’t know about you, but my sexuality is a small part of who I am, and I can only imagine it is the same for them. Our modern society is so sex obsessed that it reduces people down to identification by who we prefer to have sex with. Sex is for procreation and union in marriage, marriage is for raising families. That is why the Catechism is so beautiful, it’s very clear cut. I think Priests like Father Martin should be careful in their expression of acceptance of the world’s version of a homosexual lifestyle, because it’s a “give an inch take a mile” thing. The church should always accept all people, but it should never go easy on sin. Jesus didn’t. Also, it is important for Catholics to differentiate between actual homosexuality and the worlds perversion of it. Being homosexual doesn’t mean that you automatically need to dance naked in a gay pride parade. That’s the worlds way of perverting those people down to simply a sexualized ideal. And we shouldn’t stand for it or confuse the two.

[@Mari_Oh]

I have often joked that if aliens came here from another planet and watched our mainstream media, they would assume that at least 50% of the population were homosexual. I think the famous and wide-ranging study done just a few years ago indicated that gay, lesbian and bisexual people accounted for 3% of the population. I must have been influenced by media content, as I, too, was shocked. Such a small percentage drive the agenda!

[@splashpont]

Thank you for understanding that not all people of a group are the same. The issue of LBTQ+ Catholics is availability of the sacraments (particularly marriage) for two people who love one another and want to establish a christian home together. Thus, theologians rightly discuss this new cultural understanding, unknown to our ancestors.

[@cabbage2794]

I agree that a person's sexuality is not their identity, any more than the shape of their nose doesn't make who they are. But I disagree that homosexual couples cannot raise a family. Biologically, they can't. But through adoption, yes. And there are so many children born out of pre-marital sex and left at foster homes, and faces difficulty for adoption because "they're not right". Allowing gay couples to marry and adopt increases chances for foster kids to have better growing environment and gives them equal footing to face society later on. I don't agree with people who say gays have a specific "lifestyle". I think it's more of a skewed perception by the media.

[@2righthands816]

​@@cabbage2794 It would have some merit if the whole premise was not flawed. The problem of adoption is not the fact that there aren't enough straight couples. In most (if not all) Western countries couples have to wait very long time for the process to go through. It's mainly caused by legal issues and/or beaurocracy. Gay couples are just a tiny, tiny portion of all the couples who want to adopt so it makes very little sense to turn the whole system upside down just so it can make LGBTQ "community" feel good.

[@valueangles]

Jenn, clear and factbased thinking!! Used to street rallies as i am, truly all th media publicity this parading of people with inordinate sex orientations gives th impression there are so many of them that we should accommodate their demands. Case of tail wagging th dog?

[@marianafaria6960]

You speak in such a sweet way that is inspiring. I bet Jesus spoke like that too...

[@paulconn5803]

67 year old catholic homosexual. You are my true brother, I do not know about Fr. Martin. Love always. Truth always. Peace comes from living the truth. I feel such pain for my homosexual brothers. Pray for them. You do not know how heavy their cross is. I only pray they accept it. It is the way to life.

[@derekr1013]

33 year old Catholic homosexual here, I agree totally, I am so grateful for having been snatched up from my previous life of sin. It isn't easy but we were always warned we would have to carry our cross and follow.

[@mooch6079]

@@derekr1013 We all have our crosses to carry, my friend. That is the hardest part of life on earth - finally recognizing what that cross is, then sinning no more. And yes, some crosses are heavier than others. Oh, that it was not so.

[@splashpont]

Rejection by the Church and her people is a heavy cross to bear.

[@derekr1013]

@@splashpont I've never been rejected by the Church or her people, but I did purposefully turn away from because I thought my way was better when it definitely wasn't.

[@love4music8ballet]

@@derekr1013 Hi. One of my children considers herself bisexual and has begun to date people of the same sex within the last two years. I wonder how you came to realize that your "previous life of sin" was not beneficial or healthy for you. Also, from your perspective, what can I do to help my child besides praying for her?

[@valueangles]

Just listened to your response to Fr. Martin = a FLOOD OF LIGHT into every corner of inordinate reliance on self and emotional sentiment, illuminating them with the light of Church teaching! THANK you and th Holy Spirit Who surely guided you!!! Hopefully we all STAY with Christ reaching out our hand to those caught up in today's tide of relativism and self-absorption, raising self and mankind to being th final arbiters of what humanity really means, and not just, as you said, give a "high five" as they paddle for themselves. Th voice of Peter is being drowned out - thank God for speaking up!!

[@MikereMio]

It doesn't need PHD to refute devil Martin but just remember he has an agenda and he doesn't not hide it . There are some including devil Martin who feels empowered by current Pope .

[@splashpont]

I wonder if God calls Martin names.

[@MikereMio]

Yes he does , Jesus call the pharisees by who they are , snakes, hypocrites, sons of snakes. If you don't call evil by it name , you will be hypocrite yourself

[@jacobraji2442]

Look im just as disappointed in Fr Martin as much as the next person. But should we really call him the devil? I feel like the problem is that noone in the church currently has the backbone to discipline him. We need the leaders of the church to start condemning heresy where heresy is found, and make a call right there and then on what must be done to stop this heresy. But lets not resort to namecalling, it won't achieve anything. But you're right, he is confusing the youth of the church, like "Satan"("the one who opposes") who opposes the teachings of the CCC.

[@truthaboveagenda]

CHRIST THE KING True. Martin opposes The Truth, our Lord Jesus. Martin is therefore an enemy of all Christians. Jesus proclaimed, ‘the men who are not with Me, they are against Me.’

[@reniaesaddler8632]

Let us pray for Fr James Martin.

[@reginasmith3149]

Thank you Brian. Well done! God bless you.

[@cristoforodelnero5138]

You are a highly insightful and effective teacher of Catholic life. Young people will find you very persuasive. You come across as authentic and well-informed without being churchy or preachy or judgemental. Blessings from Australia.

[@nickheidenberg4847]

The new life was based on "Go and Sin no more!" This priest is nothing more than a wolf in sheeps clothing.Hey Father you to must "Repent and believe in the Gospel!"

[@starfresh6359]

So happy to have you as a Catholic brother and so grateful to God to have brought you home to the Church. You are a beacon of light.

[@brianscheidler5638]

John 6:66. Jesus taught the truth of the Eucharist and many walked away. How inclusive was Jesus when it came to the truth and people could not accept it?

[@peaceandjoy2568]

You are right. Our Lord Jesus called all sinners to be part of His Kingdom and to get out of their sin. He did not give them a license to keep sinning. We must love the sinner but hate the sin.

[@teresak8530]

Brian May God continue, to bless you with graces, wisdom and love.

[@elizabethconkle3370]

Wow! Well said. Love and truth! We have all been conceived in sin, and we sin and have been sinned against. We are not what God has created us to be. We fall short. He wants to forgive our sin, heal us, and restore us to what we were meant to be. To experience his healing is to encounter the love of God in our deep hearts.

[@lufayoubhopes8997]

christianity goes to rock-bottom but islam is the fastest growing religion in the world as per western media had said,have u read quran liz

[@cesarantoniocancinorueda1036]

By far one of the best videos about this topic, you are a smart dude God bless you brother!

[@NotANameist]

“True inclusion is based on our own personal reform, based on the standard of truth.” Well said!

[@CatholicK5357]

Good video. Thank you for also introducing me to a new word - pernicious. I think we should all use that word more often since by the very definition of said word is how the enemy has been working in our society for decades to bring about its destruction. I also wish for Christians to reintroduce the phrase 'momento mori' as a greeting to each other.

[@xavierosam3ngoenheswae377]

Memento :)

[@brianum5]

I’ve heard this many times before. People convinced they know the mind of God and “the truth”. And then use that position to comfort themselves as they draw their circle to exclude others because they are “sinners”. It makes for a small-minded church, clutching with fear to the precepts and catechism. Such were the times of Jesus Christ who often rebuked the laws and posturing of the contemporary Jewish leaders for their self-righteousness and chastised them for what we today call pharasiacal posturing. I for one don’t have the confidence to hide behind the walls of an institution that has been so terribly wrong so many times before in human history and claim to hold “the truth”. Micha 6:8 “He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the LORD require of you? To act justly and to love mercy and to walk humbly with your God.”

[@adrian7856]

a couple weeks ago he made a rosary with the colors of the "pride" flag, if that's not pure profanity and blasphemy then idk what it is

[@Prancer1231]

Yes, it's totally disgusting.

[@vkbowers]

Ugh. Where's St. Nick when someone needs an H-slap??

[@donzeigler1021]

Haters gonna hate.

[@marievilla8861]

Blasphemy

[@claudiaf.2236]

Wow, very well said! Jesus does not leave us where we are! He said to the woman caught in adoltary: Go and sin no more! Jesus wants to help us to change and that is the whole point of Christianity...

[@thepineaushow]

Grear video! I would go as far to say that people like Father Martin are jumping into the rapids with the drowning person.

[@becky6568]

He’s literally pushing ppl down into the water .

[@maryfarrell2927]

☘️🇮🇪🙏 Love the sinner, HATE the SIN ☘️🇮🇪🙏

[@SeezSantos]

saw this on reddit! awesome! content man!

[@pizzapocket7878]

In 50 years the Church will be back on track. Hopefully sooner. All these corrupt priest and Bishops will be exposed or dead from old age.

[@seasonalliving2881]

Our church needs a good cleansing. 🧼

[@splashpont]

It always will. Where there are people, good and bad co-exist. Lord, have mercy.

[@jmj1852]

Wow the world needs more men like you..GOD BLESS YOU AND YOUR FAMILY

[@PeterFournierSamalander]

Great image: giving them a high five as they go under.

[@joanmadjid2855]

You are brilliant in articulating the struggle to follow Jesus and live the Truth in our present age - in the Catholic Church. The side note on authority was masterful. Thank you. God bless you!

[@colleenposadas8415]

Love your logic and reason.

[@websterlee7708]

Well done Brian! I hope Fr. Martin and the many priests and bishops who endorse him get to see this video. “He” calls us to go and sin no more.

[@UnratedAwesomeness]

I think we need a council to condemn modernism and the inclusivity gospel... but that won’t happen given the current state of affairs. Continue to push back against these heretical ideologies!

[@Mari_Oh]

Yeah, good luck with any of that sort of action under our current pope, who was handpicked by the problem leaders, to further the worldly goals of the problem leaders.

[@JRobbySh]

Right on. I have watched Father Martin and listened to his words. I am put to mind a quote from Talleyrand. “The purpose of language, he said, is to conceal thought.” This is how many modernists survived Pius X’s purge of the priesthood,. Martin claims to preach the gospel in new language. He claims to preache new doctrine in a way that seems to be the old doctrine cast in new terms but is in fact contradictory to it. This was the approach of Rahner. I took Rahnet at his word but in the end I concluded that he lead us in a different direction. Martin is more obvious.

[@MiguelArcangel12]

This was really well done, Brian. I agree with you 100%. Thanks for the video. Just subscribed.

[@johnhegedus8047]

I liked everything except the advice to start a new Church, but the call to repentance at the end was much more in line with Jesus Christ. He never told a person to start a competing church, but He did say repent, so well done.

[@kristinacatherine5121]

Wow, that analogy at the end is perfect!

[@theRealBryan]

"Give them a big, affirming high 5 as they go under." Very insightful. You have described many of the mainstream churches today.

[@michaelkoss8194]

Brian, I really valued the patient way you articulated this topic. One thing I was thinking about a great deal while watching this video was your reference to Pope Pius X’s (do I have the right Pope you mentioned?) belief that clerics who undermine the Church’s teachings from within are preeminently “pernicious” as far as “enemies” of the Church go. I was also thinking a great deal about your comment on “personal interpretations” of Jesus, and your comment about “different factions trying to persuade” people in the Church, which, as you argue, has resulted in Catholics having to work through and around “smoke and mirrors” to comprehend and obey Church teaching. I think these considerations refer us back to the Second Vatican Council, whose documents and whose legacy encourage greater individual agency (with specific reference to the laity) within, and academic exploration of, the Church. The laity (myself included as an undergraduate Catholic Studies Major) have more access to academic arenas in which they can critically study the Church. More generally, what the laity think and what they can contribute to the Church matters more to the Church now, arguably. So I wonder: How might you characterize the Second Vatican Council’s sociological impact on Catholics’ understanding of authority and Truth? I ask this question because I think there’s a connection between your comments in this video, the legacy of the Second Vatican Council, and these intrinsically Christian and particularly Catholic ideas about authority and Truth; but it’s a connection I need to think through for some time to truly comprehend in all its particulars, and I wonder what you have to say about it.

[@ralphstarling6707]

I appreciate your thoughtfulness. I do think it is crucial that we ask questions and be able to question any authority. Any church will have big problems when people feel like they cannot question certain doctrines or traditions. Religious cults require unquestioning obedience. I think Father Martin would agree that all are included in the love of God! For me, the big truth is that God loves all of His Creation, no exceptions. Thanks!

[@JosephDStec]

Nice work on bringing "pernicious" back into the fold.

[@Chrisjani11]

Thank you. James Martin is hell bound.

[@Chrisjani11]

Change my mind.

[@rosey_views]

“...his book has ecclesial approval from his Jesuit superiors because he is a Jesuit...” Oh okay, I get it now

[@marrianebrandeez9862]

And Pope Francis is a Jesuit. They are destroying the Church.

[@el-sig2249]

I thank our Lord for the grace that He has given you. I think real Church teaching is best found and understood in the pre-Vatican II documents. There is so much heresy in the Church since then. God bless you Brian!

[@nathanielolson]

Excellent video Brian, couldn’t have said it all better myself!

[@sistercaritasleclaire7141]

Thank you Brian you were very charitable on your response to Fr. James Martin! Well spoken, I liked how you said Jesus doesn't leave them there! keep up the great work for Jesus!!! God Love You!

[@stevensonrf]

Martin just needs to become a Unitarian! Problem solved!

[@DrSamanthaOReilly]

You describe the exact steps I took to becoming Catholic too! I just also happened to be born into the Catholic faith before rejecting it for two decades.

[@teresaward8]

I’m a new viewer and I’m so impressed by this presentation. God bless.

[@christianenke9988]

Church teaching has always developed and still is and continously will - thanks to the Holy Spirit who wants us to understand God's will more and more!

[@peterkizer6163]

"Jesus met people where they were, but He never left them there." This is what James Martin is missing. Speaking only for me, I do not consider James Martin a priest (e.g., I would not go to Confession with him).

[@lisan8561]

Brian, your explanations are so easily understood. As you said, Jesus reached out to the marginalized, but He doesn't say "we want you, but you can still live truth as you see it." He says "I am the Way, the Truth, the Life. Come, follow Me."

[@1951kvk]

Thank you Brian, keep up the good work!

[@user-yg4wi6zr8x]

'Let those without sin cast the first stone.' We are all sinners. Beg for God's mercy. May the Holy Ghost descend upon us and remain forever. Pray. Let God judge. Love one another.

[@saranebp]

As Catholics we shouldn't even try to bend down to use their language. Don't refer to them as "LGBTQRSTUVWXYZ+++" The Catechism states that we should call it homosexuality. We do not sugar coat sin in the same way we should not sugar coat people sinning in co-habitation. It only hurts the sinner. This comes from a former co-habitator BTW. I am beginning to believe that Mr Martin is a homosexual also. It saddens me how many of the sheep he is pushing off the cliff.

[@Mari_Oh]

Was that the real politically correct terminology he used? I asumed he was joking to exaggerate the silliness of extreme political correctness--like when my teenage kids say "LGBTQ...WERTYUIOP"

[@saranebp]

@@Mari_Oh no, I don't know the exact letters used either... lol

[@splashpont]

He was mocking people who identify themselves with those letters, LGBTQ+. It's OK, Jesus was taunted. Rudolph the red-nosed reindeer was taunted. It's an old story, going on since the woman and man ate the fruit of the tree.

[@saranebp]

@@splashpont who do you think is mocking them? I don't think anyone is, but this is the problem with all of these "pronouns" it is so easy to misinterpret if you goof up. We all need to just stick to the term homosexual. 1 bug umbrella, because honestly it doesn't matter, no body cares, most people are not going out of their way to discriminate, but it also shouldn't be pushed on us, when we don't want to enable people in their sin and are trying our best to live a life inviting God and guiding our children to the same route.

[@TimeBomb014X]

Out of curiosity what's wrong with co-habitation? I have never lived with a woman who was not family but why is it wrong to live with a woman you deeply love and want to marry before marriage?

[@mikestergios4818]

If Fr Martin's version, the Prodigal Son returns bringing his riotous friends, and a list of demands of what the Father must change before he'll consider coming back.

[@limadelta17]

Amen brother. Very well said. God bless!

[@jamesmorrissey2297]

The thing Jesus always does is welcome heal, then require change.