Responding to Trent Horn

[@theosophicalwanderings7696]

Nice work man!

[@theepitomeministry]

@theosophicalwanderings7696 I appreciate it, brother. I think if we incorporate this language into our apologetic of sticking to what is apostolic rather than written, it can move the conversation forward, which is what I want haha. I'm so tired of hearing the "Where is Sola Scriptura in the Bible?" question...

[@jotink1]

I like how you mentioned Sola Scriptura as a principle. I totally agree with you that Catholics do not really understand Sola Scriptura because they don't see it as a principle but only a doctrine.

[@theepitomeministry]

@@jotink1 Yes, and I think the language of this video can help the discussion. We are operating on a principle of believing what the apostles and Christ Himself taught. I'm not interested in what eventually came to be accepted hundreds of years later.

[@jotink1]

@theepitomeministry I agree and we all need a foundation to build upon. The Apostles are that foundation. The Catholic foundation is not the Apostles. I heard a Catholic apologist who said we as Catholics can't interpret the Bible we believe the interpretation of the church. Basically they leave all interpretation to the magisterium all they do is agree. Where is test all things? Where is discernment?

[@theepitomeministry]

@jotink1 They have forfeited their discernment to the teaching office of the Magisterium unfortunately, and they have been told that is virtuous.

[@jotink1]

@theepitomeministry Exactly! I was so glad listening to you being a young man who sees through this stuff. You have seen it for what it truly is.

[@theepitomeministry]

@jotink1 I appreciate you for watching and for your kind words! I have another response on Sola Scriptura coming out next Thursday to a different channel. I pray the videos serve you!

[@John_Six]

2:23 This is what protestants do all the time though. "Show me the rosary in the bible." "Show me where it says catholic in the bible." "Show me the word pope in the bible." Kind of like you did at 8:29.

[@theepitomeministry]

It's not exactly what I did toward the end of the video. I'd gladly recognize early documents like the Didache or 1 Clement as good evidence as well. The point is that the historical record does not allow anyone to hold that the apostles taught those doctrines. I intentionally picked doctrines that don't show up for hundreds of years. Therefore, there is no evidence the apostles taught them. And I know Protestants often say "show me that in the Bible," but I'm not one of those guys. If one could show something in the Bible, that'd be great, but that's not necessarily needed for everything.

[@theepitomeministry]

@@John_Six But also, thank you for watching.

[@IslandUsurper]

It’s not that Scripture is the only thing Protestants are allowed to follow, it’s that it is the ultimate guide and rule of faith that we have. Roman Catholics say the traditions and Magisterium are equal to Scripture in authority (or even above in some cases!) which is what leads to disagreements. I haven’t seen the debate, but that last clip of Trent Horn you played sounds inconsistent with the RC position. A lot of the doctrines of Mary they hold do contradict what is in Scripture, I would say. (Immaculate conception, role as intercessor, etc)

[@theepitomeministry]

@@IslandUsurper Yeah, I'd agree their doctrines don't align with Scripture. I appreciate you for watching and commenting!

[@AydenJose]

Tradition is to be distinguished from the various theological, disciplinary, liturgical or devotional traditions, born in the local churches over time. These are the particular forms, adapted to different places and times, in which the great Tradition is expressed. In the light of Tradition, these traditions can be retained, modified or even abandoned under the guidance of the Church's Magisterium. The scriptures cant be modified by the chruch there is a difference

[@IslandUsurper]

@ I can agree with that, but it seems like whenever there is conflict between Scripture and Tradition, the RC position sides with Tradition. Maybe not every time, and not for every individual, but that kind of thing is why we’re even talking about Sola Scriptura.

[@ChristopherBurse]

Guys, read Mark 7 in which Jesus tells the Pharisees that they cast aside the commandments of God in order to keep their own Tradition. The RC do likewise. Jesus says this worship is in vain.

[@John_Six]

​@@IslandUsurperCan you give an example of conflict between scripture and tradition?

[@AydenJose]

But it's like the apostles would try to teach the next generation so they can teach it to the world the truth that is christ and you and will interpret differently may be wrong so we have the early church father direct disciples of the apostles and we catholics make sure we follow both And just like God prepared Isrealiates to the promised land the chruch is also being prepared to show the path to heaven so these "additional doctrines" are revealed also refer Acts 20 :25-32

[@jotink1]

@AydenJose The point is that the Apostles left their writings so the next generation and the next and the next could check that they were still following what the first generation after them taught. Protestants are trying to show Catholics that you are not following what the Apostles taught and therefore also the generations that followed them.

[@AydenJose]

@jotink1 which one?

[@AydenJose]

@jotink1 there are thousands with different opinions I asked my protestant friend this he said if it's not his definition then they are wrong I don't understand and nobody else look historically what the early chruch did and the real explanation as they were the disciples of the apostles

[@jotink1]

@AydenJose Everyone can have opinions my friend it is what can be shown to be true that counts. What can be proven. Do you believe words have meaning and what is true using those words can be known? If you do then opinions aren't the point. When it comes to interpretations Protestants have opinions because each is free to actually discern what is true. The individual Catholic can't have any true opinions because their interpretation is not from them at all they can only agree with an already prescribed interpretation. Everything is Scriptural for the Catholic because each Catholic believes the magisterium is the infallible interpreter. An individual Catholic is not an interpreter. A Catholic could be illiterate and it would make no difference to how they come to their beliefs from someone who is not.. An individual Protestant is encouraged to read and interpret what is true and come to a conclusion.

[@AydenJose]

@@jotink1 ok so we live in our own worlds?