346. The Mystery of the Holy Grail

“Who drinks the water I shall give him, will have a spring inside him welling up for eternal life.” A deeply mysterious object which doesn’t appear in the Bible, was the Holy Grail really the chalice used by Jesus during the Last Supper, and the very cup that caught his blood at the crucifixion? Or is it merely a symbol representing Christ’s bloodline? Join Tom and Dominic as they discuss the Holy Grail, the origin of the tradition, and the role it played within medieval Christendom.
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[@notsocrates9529]

It would be really cool if there was a show or two comparing the Iliad to Aeneid for historicity and differences of perspective. The newer podcasts detailing the French Revolution have been a real treat.

[@kindnesslove5482]

Can you guys please do Marius and Sulla series ❤🤩 Would also love

[@carbonekentertainment]

The Fisher Kings castle was called Carbonek / Corbonic castle ; )

[@flowermeerkat6827]

Incredibly enjoyable presentation

[@SaudadeCB]

Could you do an episode about thr shroud of Turin?

[@carveraugustus3840]

Ohhh that’d be great

[@grahamdraper8207]

Yeerrrrssss, that would be great!

[@CL-we8tn]

Nice episode, i love the conspiracy theories around the holy grail.

[@ojtaylor91]

Your newest biggest fan here. Thanks to your interview with Dan Calin.

[@neilgadsby3924]

Thoroughly enjoyed this. Thanks.

[@carveraugustus3840]

Fantastic love it

[@GrubStLodger]

Naomi Mitchison writes a novel in which every grail is real and every grailfinder finds one.

[@daijones5558]

Guess theres no need to read it now

[@phaethon3124]

maybe to do with the constellation Crater .in the same way that people think the star of bethlehem was a conjuction of planets in Leo

[@phaethon3124]

but also a stone.i think meteorites were revered as gods coming down to earth.and such an event became myths like phaethon joyriding in the quadriga of apollo

[@yensid4294]

Sooooo, the original grail mythology/iconography was just a little too Catholic to survive The Reformation. Makes sense.

[@JohnLandau-h5g]

In Wolfram von Eschenbach's version of the myth, (c.1200), The grail is not a cup but a stone, and it is not directly related to Christ, although it has sacred qualities. Parsifal is half black, his mother being a North African Christian princess. His eventual wife is Kundry, a Jewess who had been forced by the evil magician Klingsor, also Jewish, into becoming a high-class call girl who seduces and corrupts noble. Klingsor hasd hoped to be accepted into a Christian monastic order by castrating himself, but the order condemns his action and rejects his membership application. Hence he uses Kundry, whom he has inslaved into prostitution, to get revenge on Christiandom. Parsifal is lured into Klingsor and Kundry's magic realm, where Kundry attempts to seduce him. Parsifal professes love for Kundry, but explains that as a sincere Christian, he believes in waiting until marriage. So he proposes to Kundry. Kundry is moved to tears, and desperately wants to accept so she can become a respectable woman and maybe even have children. Klingsor has made her sterile. But Parsifal defeats Klingsor, catching the spear he (Klingsor ) throws at him in midair. Klingsor and his enchanted realm disappears, as he is descends to hell. But Kundrey is set free and accompanies Parsifal to the home of the monastic order that guards the sacred stone. There Kundry accepts religious instruction and convrts to Christianity. The couplle are then married and experience supreme bliss. They then join the monks as the latter return to their sacred magical kingdom of Monsalvat, which is the permanent home of the grail. I can't remember how it ends. I never read the ending when I was assigned to read it ifor a course in medieval literature. Wagner made use of a heavy bowdlerized version of Wilfram's romance for his opera Parsifal.

[@yensid4294]

interesting. ty for sharing this ❤

[@allancarey2604]

I went to Jordan becouse of Indiana Jones :)

[@elerike]

We all did 😊

[@davidevans3227]

Indiana Jones again

[@michaellear6904]

Yeah, pretty much.

[@CL-we8tn]

At last!

[@austinmiller9064]

I say ni

[@michaelbedford8017]

Try telling that lot to the police.

[@dartharpy9404]

Shroud not Grail !

[@ginaza9767]

I really like both presenters. But when tom narrates i tend to zone out.

[@LeoneNut]

Yeah he's a great sleep aid

[@Dabhach1]

Understandable. You need an attention span of at least three seconds.

[@dannydore8038]

Holy Grail comes from the middle french "Sang Real" meaning "Blood of Royalty" which is the Blood of Christ.

[@Verita1975]

The word graal, as it is spelled in its earliest appearances, comes from Old French graal or greal, cognate with Old Occitan grazal and Old Catalan gresal, meaning "a cup or bowl of earth, wood, or metal"

[@dannydore8038]

@Verita1975 Thanks, Wikipedia

[@Verita1975]

@@dannydore8038 Precisely.. if someone cannot even look up something on Wikipedia… than how can you expect them to pontificate on the meaning of a word 800 years old .. just easier to believe in a Conspiracy Theory.

[@dannydore8038]

@@Verita1975 No one asked you

[@Verita1975]

@@dannydore8038 No one “asked you” either … Ad Hominem attacks of which you have done 2 …are merely indicative of a person who cannot substantiate a argument and try to attack the “opposing side” because they cannot construct and defend a coherent argument and/or their tender thin skinned ego has been hurt. Either which way there is no point arguing such a person… have a nice life