Star Wars, Dune, Sci-fi Films: How They Are Linked To The Roman Empire

[@Billzor991]

Palpatine uses Legion in Return of the Jedi actually! He says "A legion of my best troops are waiting for them"

[@michaelhart7569]

Yes. He was a bit casual making that claim. I thought of Roman iconography as much as the WWII guys when I watched Star Wars as a teenager.

[@Billzor991]

Unfortunately in the Star Wars EU (Both canon and the old legends stuff) They never really tried to work out how the regiments of the Empire worked, but still! @@michaelhart7569

[@ahabsrevenge]

Glad i'm not the only one who yelled that at the screen

[@barbararice6650]

Haha 😆

[@bluefarie10]

And the shuttle in the same film is called Tiberian; whether that's a reference to the emperor (Tiberius) or the river (Tiber), it's a Roman-flavoured craft.

[@MrRosebeing]

Now I can never unhear David Prowse narrating the Star Wars opening crawl whenever I watch it again, so I thank you for that.

[@marywoolley-nb7ct]

What a terrific episode. I hadn’t appreciated how my interests in history, science fiction, fantasy and film were so closely linked.

[@patmann9363]

From tie fighters having superfortress fronts,Stormtroopers having mg 34's,Han Solo having a Moueser(if that's how you spell it)Rebel Troops having WW2 USN helmets.Thats just what I noticed as a 10 year old who was into history.

[@TrogART]

It's what I have always loved about science fiction, all the others are what they advertise on the tin be it romance historical etc, but SciFi can be anything from a western to a love story.

[@JonathanRossRogers]

30:19 When I was a kid, I probably thought Darth Vader spoke with a British accent. I eventually realized that James Earl Jones spoke with a classically trained and formal, but American accent. Perhaps the formality is the most important aspect.

[@JonathanRossRogers]

David Prowse played Darth Vader on screen. The voice of James Earl Jones is just as much a part of the character IMHO. Both men deserve credit for bringing the character to life.

[@harrybartok]

I read Asimov for 'O' level in 1973. It was part of a Sci-Fi short story collection. It was much more fun than the dreary other books we had to read by Emily Bronte and Thomas Hardy. Frank Herbert believed that he was ripped off by George Lucas. There are a lot of similarities between Dune and Star Wars.

[@JonathanRossRogers]

There are obviously a number of things Dune inspired in Star Wars, such as the power of voice to control another person, the use of swords by the most skilled warriors rather than projectile weapons and spice, which is mentioned in Star Wars. There's also the strong theme of the chosen one character, though this didn't originate with Dune. They are such different types of stories that I can't agree with the idea that Star Wars "ripped off" Dune.

[@morganseppy5180]

You can see how Lucas might have liked Dune's story of a boy from a desert planet who loses his family bc of an overwhelming imperial attack and comes of age in rebellion against them. Certainly, he made the stories his own, but a lot of the jedi are taken from 7 Samarai (iirc), just as Naboo was clearly based off of Dinotopia ​@@JonathanRossRogers

[@JonathanRossRogers]

@ Lucas was certainly a Kurosawa fan. What's the Dinotopia connection?

[@morganseppy5180]

@@JonathanRossRogers if you look up the art from that childrens book, it looks like Amidala's palace. I think there was a suit abs a settlement

[@JonathanRossRogers]

@ Sadly I don't have a copy. I guess it's possible that LucasFilm artists were inspired by a book released a few years earlier.

[@jackiechan8840]

What a couple of absolute LADS!!! Kudos to the editor too

[@t.andrewhanes872]

I must be the same age as you two Brit geezers, lol, but I was shaped philosophically by Star Trek reruns much more so than Star Wars. It seriously helped form my passion for pure Liberal Democracy. I don’t know if you’ll touch on Star Trek but it has some serious bonafides for political influence. (Essentially, that you can be any kind of ind… but if you’re great at your job and can get along well with others… you’re a cherished part of society). My passion these days is history. Specifically the fall of Roman Empire. What an episode for me! Absolutely love this show. Keep up the brilliant work! (PS: Another one of my favorite things? HAMMER HORROR!)

[@morganseppy5180]

I'm GenX, and my mother was a Trekkie. I used to hurry home after school to watch classic Trek on tv at 3p., and in the 90s, we watched St:NG at 7:30 after Jeopardy (RIP Alex Trebek). Definitely exposed me to classical philosophical concepts and debates, and just enough action and technology to make them exciting stories. Definitely raised me to be a rational liberal and to strive for true equality and compassion among all species.

[@blastulae]

Modesto was not suburban when Lucas grew up there. It was rural and agricultural. It largely still is, though far more populous. In 1950, when Lucas was six, Modesto had 17,000 people; in 1970, 62,000; in 2020, 218,000.

[@jeffreyhill4705]

One author you need to have added to this episode is Edgar Rice Burrows and the first three Mars books. Desert planet, road story, decaying government, swords, sand people, a captured princess, jedi and sith

[@morganseppy5180]

I've never heard of this connection! Thank you

[@matthewwallhead5952]

Gladiator is more a remake of Ben Hur than a remake of Fall of the Roman Empire. It's about a leader who becomes a slave then returns to win in the arena/hippodrome.

[@MarkL-we8uk]

Battlestar Galactica (1978) was big on Egyptian and Greek mythology. Loony Tunes Marvin the Martin was a parody of Kaiser Bill of Germany, who himself inadvertently modeled himself as an overly earnest Roman Emperor

[@Sean-p3o]

The remade version was absolutely brilliant

[@morganseppy5180]

​@@Sean-p3othe pilot and the first 3-3.5 seasons were good. It fell off quickly after that, and went completely off the rails in the last season

[@HappyCodingZX]

I always thought Paul Atraides in Dune was inspired more by Lawrence of Arabia than anyone else. The classic film came out a couple of years before the novel.

[@LuDux]

It's safe to say that their knowledge of Star Trek triumphs their knowledge of Dun iverse

[@morganseppy5180]

The Fremen have so much arabic influence, you could be right.

[@rogerwilliams4466]

Dominic says the word "legion" is not used in first three films. Not true. In throne room scene Palpatine says, "an entire legion of my best troops awaits them...."

[@AlexanderJWei]

Washington was inspired by the example of Cincinnatus, who came back from war and then went back to farming and didn't try to be a politician. The idea inspired the founding of the city Cincinnati, for example. Augustus is the Roman who could have been Cincinatus but didn't give up power.

[@Joeyjojoshabbadoo]

What do mean it inspired the founding of the city in Ohio of Cincinnati? What does that mean? I think they just took the name, and that's the only connection. So you meant to say the naming of the city of Cincinnati. Which is not a terribly profound thing.

[@dennisboulais7905]

I read the Foundation series in the 1970's as it was published and still have the paperback books.

[@Mrlemon-v2c]

The emperors guards in return of the jedi are called the petorian gaurd

[@arkdeniz]

Imperial Guards, I think you’ll find. As opposed to the blue-clad Senate Guards that protected the Chancellor

[@michaelk19thcfan10]

The author of “The Hunger Games” stated the name Katniss Everdeen was inspired by Bathsheba Everdene from Thomas Hardy’s “Far from the Madding Crowd”.

[@originaluddite]

As a small child I misinterpreted the final scene of Star Wars (1977) as a wedding. And now I'm told that this awards ceremony for returning war heroes has a Nazi vibe? I will never look at another wedding the same way...

[@MichaelJohnson-vi6eh]

Its great when I see someone who knows film watch Star Wars - they think it is brilliant. its so much more efficient than movies are today. You are just thrown into a situation and you figure it out as you go along. You are presented with really understandable characters and a really evil villain. The effects were pretty amazing for the day but not so much for today. I can imagine that we have some people who would just glaze over.

[@morganseppy5180]

Back when movies assumed the audience were paying attention. But today's shows and movies assume that they are being played in the background so they have to overly explain things.

[@MansaHere]

The title blew me away. Listening now!

[@christopherflux6254]

Roman Empire ✅ Star Wars ✅ Dune ✅ It’s like thus episode was made for me!

[@banks1434]

The best history content on KZbin. Can we get a similar video to this covering The Lord of The Rings and WW1?

[@ropeburnsrussell]

I wish you would discuss Derry Girls. As a yank I'm sure a lot of the subtext went over my head.

[@JonathanRossRogers]

47:09 Battlestar Galactica may have had Mormon inspiration. It also has explicit Roman and Greek references.

[@MarkL-we8uk]

Plus a lot of Egyptian influences

[@JonathanRossRogers]

@@MarkL-we8uk I guess I didn't notice those as much. What's an example?

[@MarkL-we8uk]

@JonathanRossRogers perhaps if you watch it, you will note the names from Greek Mythology - Adama, Apollo, Athena, Cassiopeia, Sheba etc. Plus their whole fleet setting off on a journey to escape the Cylons is very much Aeneis leading the defeated Trojans survivors in the Aeneid to a new land. The Viper pilots (Apollo, Boomer, Jolly, Sheba, Starbuck) all dress very Ancient Egypt and there is an episode involving the Pyramids

[@JonathanRossRogers]

@@MarkL-we8uk Thanks. I guess I need to watch the series again.

[@resurrectedstarships]

I'm so glad you mentioned the Romulans! I might have to do a video about that!

[@arthurfarrow]

Erstwhile readers of the Eagle will remember the the Trigan Empire

[@OnanTheBavarian]

Finally a man of taste and culture.

[@mikebach]

My thoughts as well 👍

[@robbeach1756]

It was also in 'Look and Learn'

[@OnanTheBavarian]

Luke Skywalker is rather Percival than Arthur. Else a great episode. Thank you.

[@sloths-df3gf]

Ironic that Dom says that George Lucus obviously wasn't reading the Roman historian Sallust - when George in fact virtually uses the name in the dialogue of RotJ: "What of the reports of the Rebel fleet massing near Sullust?"

[@johnleney9541]

@31:20 Tom sums up the premise of the whole episode in a sentence, but it was fun

[@agharries]

Great episode guys.

[@alistaircrowle5617]

Lucas may have been a nerd but he still pulled Linda Ronstadt, thereby giving hope to all nerds 😂

[@MsMagdalena71]

Could we get an episode on how Roman ideas inspired Putin, please? FASCINATING!

[@spankflaps1365]

I would say Putin is more inspired by Hitler and Stalin, who were inspired by the Americans wiping out the natives.

[@d.c.8828]

🙄

[@TheAnadromist]

When I have made playlists of Roman sounding music I find that the Imperial March from Empire Strikes Back fits in perfectly with Miklos Rosza's Ben Hur and other ancient era scores. Not authentic. But certainly stentorian.

[@lawrencebarber]

5:00 I'd like to know who considers this window-dressing. Granted, it may be overstated, but I think the link with Joseph Campbell is more than something you can attribute to an offhand remark. Lucas is consciously mining fairy tales, folklore and, explicitly, mythology and admits that early drafts are influenced by Campbell's books. Campbell's series The Power of Myth is filmed (in the late 80s) at Skywalker Ranch, and Lucas is later interviewed by the same guy, Bill Moyers - in these interviews (all on youtube) they acknowledge each other; Lucas basically describes one of his many themes as 'follow your bliss'. Campbell re-aligns religions into his mono-myth, Lucas re-imagines religion into 'the force'. Which is a crucial - defining - part of his constructed mythology. In those billion interviews he's done, I've heard him talk a lot more about Joseph Campbell than about the Roman Empire - and subsequently what becomes a set-text for Hollywood executives, who are searching for the secret sauce, is The Hero with a Thousand Faces, rather than The History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire. (Maybe it should be the other way around.) That said, thank you, as always, for the insights. And the Dave Prowse impression. My new favourite channel.

[@nancykeith6390]

I think that, in the sixties, Rome was a used as an analogy in popular arts for the politics of the day. The only time I remember Greece being mentioned was for how great the Spartans were.

[@metabolicentanglement6303]

Great one, and just to add on to the analogies about Star Wars: Jedis are coming from a planet called Jeda and Jews are coming from the ancient city of Judah.

[@JonathanRossRogers]

26:01 I believe Amidala was elected to a term of queenship (as a teenager) and was later elected to the Senate. Lucas likes to use terms like "queen" and "princess" in confusing ways.

[@morganseppy5180]

She was definitely not born into it

[@Yandarval]

In the Expanded Universe (books) and games. the standard Storptrooper compliment of a Star Destroyer is refered to as a legion (9700 troops for SW).

[@beachcomberbob3496]

They do have legions in the extended universe literature - famously (well, to Star Wars nerds) the 501st legion.

[@faithpals]

chewie gets his medal in the book 🏅

[@pertuk]

Apparenly medals arent important to Wookiees and his family had their own cerenlony for him or something

[@wakingthewitch457]

you guys are great; love your podcasts. However, I have a quibble. Yes, Star Wars does indeed follow a Joseph Campbell-esque "Hero's Journey." But that isn't because Lucas was reading Campbell. Take any basic class in screen writing, and guess what? The basic formula that the overwhelming majority of movies follow looks a lot like Campbell's Hero's Journey. That is just how screen plays tend to be structured.

[@morganseppy5180]

Also, it follows the basic boy/nerd fantasy of beating the Big Bad/Bully. Male famtasy is always about becoming powerful enough to beat your opponent

[@jocelynconvery3462]

Tom is a good actor too!

[@AlexanderJWei]

One clear indication that Lucas knew Asimov's work: Asimov coined the name "Han" and used it several times in his works. Thus, Han Solo

[@neilfarrow1535]

Wow. It's so nice to see two 'friends in History' go off on one. A great way to deal with the topic.

[@waynedoucette1492]

How do you analyze Dr. Who.?

[@danielrichwine2268]

I have read so much Pope science fiction in my day and I came to realize that virtually all futuristic societies as presented were modeled on the Roman empire. I don't know what that means but it means something

[@jogeettbr]

Sanctus Ori! (Stargate SG-1 season 9 and 10 quote)

[@plethoraofattitude]

As a child I thought it unfair that Chewbacca didn't get a medal.

[@patmann9363]

Unfair is an understatement...

[@active85858585]

Everyone slagged off the Star Wars prequels for "being too political", but it what's opened my eyes to how a democracy's biggest dangers are not external, but internal. The Roman Republic, The Kingdom of Italy and of course the Weimar Republic all clear parallels. Bravo George Lucas for turning kids' movies into an incredibly important history and politics lesson 🙂.

[@Sean-p3o]

The prequels were dreadfully written

[@MichaelJohnson-vi6eh]

Both Nazis and Romans had a republic that went sideways and the emperor and his vizier started to reach out from the core worlds and acquire power by force.

[@daydays12]

The Nazis had a republic??

[@Sean-p3o]

The American Republic has become an Empire especially from the end of 1945 to today

[@johnanita9251]

I would always laugh at the name GRAND MOF TARKIN. Because "MOF" means "KRAUT" in Dutch 😂😂😂

[@keithscott1255]

The thing I learned today: Nigel Terry played King Arthur as Darth Vader.

[@jannarkiewicz633]

Modesto is suburban? Farm country. Way off but good vlog.

[@johnleney9541]

I'm getting the impression that their history is spot on, but their geography is less so

[@cathybowden9751]

Is Dominic trying to break a record for how many of his books he can put on display? 😂

[@videosivewatched]

Not very subtle, is he😂

[@le13579]

Good for him. I'd do it, too.

[@roddungan560]

60 yrs old here, huge classic film fan and love European cinema. Star Wars 77 is my favorite film. It is a deep film. It really is.

[@accreditedbythenicemaninth6495]

I heartily agree that as a Star Wars fan that the prequels are really bad. We certainly don’t speak of the sequels.

[@Musicvidsetc]

It wasn't "branded" as episode 4, but when Lucas' first script was his original vision of the prequels plus what became the first movie. They told him they couldn't make his entire script so and he picked the most marketable part of the story. Lucas took years to develop what became Star Wars and lots of ideas were floated and shot down. These guys seem to think he just whipped up the first film and then just total flew by the seat of his pants. Their evidence for this seems to be that Lucas made adjustments along the way which is something every single successful movie franchise and tv/streaming show ever has done.

[@AdmiralBonetoPick]

I found the prequels more reminiscent of the American Civil War. You have the Confederacy vs the Grand Army of the Republic, of course. But it also echoes the massive centralisation of the US government under Abraham Lincoln at that time, the suspension of civil rights such as habeas corpus, to the point where opponents of the war even accused Lincoln of starting the civil war in order to give himself an excuse to become a tyrannical dictator.

[@milztempelrowski9281]

The Jedi Order's problem is Yoda. No being can wield that kind of power for centuries without becoming complacent at best or corrupt at worst. He has no idea that it's overtaken him; he no longer sees all the little cumulative evils that the Republic tolerates and fosters, from slavery to endless wars, and he never asks, "Why are we not acting to stop this?" Live alongside corruption for too long, and you no longer notice the stench. The Jedi cannot help the slaves of Tatooine, but they can help the slavemasters. -Dooku, to Darth Sidious

[@stevewloo]

Christopher Plummer was Canadian.

[@girthbloodstool339]

Just FYI, American Graffiti harkens back to 1962, not the '50's.

[@tropics8407]

A fun one 🤩

[@CO27640B]

Surely the Jedi are the 47 Ronin, rebel Samuai - although they become the Knights of the Round Table or Templars later! Sith - the loyal Samurai, Teutonic Knights, Praetorians?

[@darrenvanderwilt1258]

One thing to note; when Star Wars was being made, nobody thought it was going to be a blockbuster. Fox studios was continuously on the edge of pulling the plug during production. When the movie was released (I was 13 in Los Angeles), we had never seen anything like it. Lines upon lines of vehicles at drive-ins and people at the walk in theaters. Everything was Star Wars from that that first week moving forward. Lucas found he had created a monster. We couldn’t get enough of it. Fast forward to now, and we find ourselves needing greater and greater high action and special effects sequences to satisfy our movie palate. We’ve been spoiled. Yes, many Americans are cautious of our republic becoming an autocratic empire. But I’d rather have that versus a Chinese or Islamist one. The interesting parallel is where Rome completely destroyed Carthage in the third Punic war. One of Rome’s senators remarked that Rome will start to become decadent and weak without a peer adversary to always be on guard against. Think “Peace Dividend” after the fall of the Soviet Union.

[@remy1234ish]

Just an aside: we do not need any kind of autocratic (Islamist, Chinese, fundmentalist Christian, conservative, liberal,etc) empire. We can choose to continue to have open elections, open discussion and disagreement. It does not make us weaker; to the contrary, it makes us stronger. We can make common sense changes to our country to keep up with changes in the world and in society: oppose dictatorships that invade their neighbors(together with our allies), let people decide their own moral codes and decisions(like whether or not to keep a pregnancy), make wealthy corporations pay more for their privileged position in our country, pay for the education of our people and for their healthcare out of the common funds collected by the government, make all political statements in the public square attributable to the people who make or pay for them(no more hiding behind some made up faux citizens group). These and other common sense rules will allow us to keep moving forward into a successful future. Hitler, Mussolini and co wanted the world to believe fascism was the wace of the future in the 1930's. It wasnt. Neither is autocracy in the 2020's.

[@kurokuro3093]

When do they talk about Dune?

[@hwanyoonchung6291]

41:55

[@austinquick6285]

The Name Paul Atreides is so signifigant..

[@anthonymorris2276]

I think maybe the 90 men and 1 woman at Stanford was because they advertised the event with pictures of the WRONG Tom Holland.

[@hilarykirkby4771]

I have never understood the obsession of small boys in dinosaurs or Stars Wars in particular, dragons and other cryptids in general. I am still none the wiser, although entertained by it all. Thank goodness my three sons seemed to have little or no interest either, although we lived near Loch Ness for 30 plus years.

[@carveraugustus3840]

Flash Gordon is literally discount John Carter

[@jameshudson169]

Darth Vader's mask in the opening scene is unimpressive in HD.

[@Reynolds128]

George Lucas was meant to make Apocalypse now... Star Wars is his version of Apocalypse now... That would mean it's based off Vietnam not rome🤷‍♂️

[@procinctu1]

The first Star Wars film is 90% The Hidden Fortress.

[@jackrussell3084]

10% westerns including the searchers.

[@benjaminblakemore9704]

DUM DUM DUM DO DE DUMMMMM DO DEDUMMMMM😂😂😂❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@JC-gf5vv]

Forget 18th century America, the first paragraph of the Star Wars novelization is describing what is happening in the USA today! (late November 2024)

[@1GoodWoman]

Luca$$$$ motivation.

[@johnreid9959]

When- padme say So this is how liberty died with thunderous applause I always feel this is when Keir Starmer introduced labours second referendum for the eu with remain on the ballot paper

[@zenden6564]

"I enjoyed that far more than was healthy" ❤

[@markmaclean1230]

In the 1960s and the 1970s in America there was a revival of Confederate heroes such as the Undefeated and The Outlaw Josey Wales to name just a few. Many people add Lincoln as the dark lord and the role of Obi-Wan Kenobi what is the role of Robert e Lee. Even the and the dark emperor's army was called the Grand army of the Republic. In America where Star wars was made in America is George Lucas the allegory of the outgunned rebel Confederates against the dark lord of the Union army with Lincoln as the dark emperor. You are misreading American movies with the lens of the British movie industry which is completely different in the 1960s and the 1970s.

[@arkdeniz]

Nice try. But stretching further than Mister Fantastic.

[@CalidrisJZ]

Did Palpatine promise to Make the Republic Great Again?

[@tommonk7651]

Great discussion! Here in the US, some often refer to Star Wars as a western in space. Lucas has said he was inspired by 2 Kurosawa movies. Dominic mentioned The Hidden Fortress, and I can't recall the other offhand. The 1st movie came out when I was 17; I saw it a few times in the theater, but I was never Star Wars nerd. It was fun.... Alec Guiness, though he had no idea what the movie was about and hated the dialogue, became incredibly rich from Star Wars, because he took IIRC 1.5% of the profits. Dune is brilliant IMO. The planet is pronounced "uh rack iss". House Atreides....

[@JidgeMist]

A fun one! We needed a fun one after all those Nazis. 😉

[@pertuk]

You're probably old enough to remember Trigan Empire for more Romans in Spaaaace fun

[@vjo38]

Come on lads , where's The Expanse ?

[@roman..leave.me.to.my.circles]

The Pax Palpatina The Empire did nothing wrong. What Palpatine does is little more than masterful statecraft. Sure he dresses in black and says things like “let the hate flow through you”, and shoots lightning from their fingertips. In Latin, salus populi suprema lex: the sole purpose of government is to sustain the well-being of its citizens. Palpatine was not a perfect man, but he was, indisputably, a truly great man.

[@rubenjames7345]

When did Peter Cushing ever play Dracula? Dr. Frankenstein, sure, but not Count Chocula. I normally love these podcasts, but I think that the hosts are reaching on this episode.

[@barbararice6650]

Queen tity we've got to save space for freedom and equality 😁 So true princess boo boo 😆

[@Musicvidsetc]

No, it's not a "period piece." Multiple generations have loved Star Wars. Get your kids off of TikTok and they'll be able to concentrate better.

[@robertalpy]

I assume there is something funny about the words Grand Moff to the english that Americans dont get? Like how brits akways laugh in the face of Americans named Randy when thwy introduce themselves?

[@calc1657]

(slang) muff = vagina

[@forthrightgambitia1032]

The Jedi were pretty clearly influenced by Buddhism I would say, which was fashionable in the era George Lucas made the film.

[@robertalpy]

I think The Knights of The Old Republic games and the show The Mandalorian are just great Better than the original three movies. I think Kathleen Kennedys decision to make all n 5he Old Republic stuff non - cannon was a mistake.

[@Football__Junkie]

Episode should be titled “Sci Fi for Beginners”

[@robertalpy]

Americans have an eagle on every flagpole abobe Old Glory. Long before there wvwr was a germamy that is united or a german eagle there was the bald eagle in gold gilt above all Anerican Flags.

[@JpPJ-p8e]

OMG ... this reminds me why I've never watched Star Wars / Star Trek.

[@jameshudson169]

Seems Nixon was given a bad wrap.

[@HelenKempster]

I keep thinking you're talking about US Republic and Trump of the golden sneakers😂😂

[@flowermeerkat6827]

Trump Derangement Syndrome. Shutting down freedom reminds me more of Two Tier Kier and his arresting of tweeters

[@abdulal-hodl8861]

Poor Tom... How can he be so educated, yet cannot pronounce anything correctly?

[@martavdz4972]

Watched three videos and noticing the third inaccuracy already. Fantasy dragons as we know them today date further back than Tolkien, Darth Vader actually uses the word "legions", Princess Leia's style was inspired by the Native American nation Hopi's hairstyle. Not subscribing, your videos are just not well-researched enough.

[@arthurfarrow]

Could not Princess Leah's hairstyle be the earphone style of the Twenties?

[@ascriptedreality]

"A New Hope/Hopi" ... it's a Hopi haitrstyle. Look up "Hopi Women"

[@le13579]

It's from 14th century fashion.

[@TimesFM4532]

On palpatine episode two is released after 9/11 and made into the run up to Iraq war patriot actwhich I think increasing