RESTORING A CARDINAL SPEED VISE TIPS 607 pt 1 tubalcain buttress thread

[@JetIgniter2k2]

The crickets are part of the mrpete222 charm. Just like "screenshots" of what he's showing on his laptop. Don't change a thing Lyle, we're still watching after all these years.

[@mrpete222]

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[@jasoncarpenter4498]

Some machinist jacks have Buttress threads.keep the videos coming,better than anything on television.

[@mrpete222]

Thank you very much

[@Andrew_Sparrow]

Glad I talked you into it :p (didn't think you were listening ;)

[@jamesstanlake4064]

Just remember that "no crybaby" sticker I gave you. I love all your video content and I thank you!

[@BevinEG]

I personally love everything I heard while watching. The sound of metal being worked is always incredible.

[@pierresgarage2687]

WOw... Those vises are a great subject for restoration, that 3/8" cold rolled plate is a clever design feature, cold rolled steel being precise within half thousand, the vise manufacturer saved himself some processing time by taking advantage of that feature, they buy some 3/8" x 2.500" bars and all they need is to make 2 saw cuts and 2 holes, " Et voila ". This vise will look brand new easy for future owners who over do it on the drilling pressure... 🙂👍👍 A man never has too many vises... 😁

[@bendavanza]

What a nice simple design for a drill press vice. I thought the nut was broken in half until you showed the close up shot, and the drawing explained how it engages. Looking forward to part 2.

[@lewismcclain8957]

Good day to be in class .with a great shop teacher.thank you. On the front row. No skipping class for me.

[@mrpete222]

Thanks

[@mikenixon9164]

Straiten that handle !! Good video.

[@charlescompton4495]

I made a wood splitter with buttress thread on a tapered cone made to fasten to an old truck drive axle. Worked great! Greg

[@mrpete222]

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[@hakimmic]

Good morning Mr. Pete. I have one those vises and watching your video although I had cleaned mine up about 12 or 15 years ago makes me want to clean it up again. Thank you for the videos. George

[@mrpete222]

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[@paulhunt598]

Speed Vise was very popular in the production drill press shop environment. I don't own as many vises as you do, but I continue to add to my collection of vises. I recently purchased some pristine Hienrich speed vises. They are nice. One has a square side allowing vertical holding. I will be on the lookout for the Cardinal style now.

[@mrpete222]

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[@keepcalmandfarmon5401]

"Tighter than a bull's hind end in blow fly season." I am still laughing!

[@MaturePatriot]

I love Lyle's sense of humor!

[@MrPatdeeee]

@@MaturePatriot NONE lack it!

[@davidkroth]

I wonder if that ever came back to him on parent-teacher night. "Mr. Pete, Last week my son repeated ..... "

[@elund408]

@@davidkroth People were less judgmental in those days. more down to earth.

[@gregr267]

My uncle used the same expression . . . but a bit more colorfully.

[@jimmykelley9209]

Just wanted to let you know that I have been a machinist for 16 years. I've done tool and die work, medical, oil and gas, and aerospace. I love your videos. It reminds me of the fact that you don't need to be a Dr. Or a lawyer to make a living. I have worked sawing stock for machinist, then they taught me what I know. I now work in quoting and estimating. It's all because of people that care like you. Thank you very much sir.

[@mrpete222]

I’m glad you like the videos, and it makes me happy that you are a success

[@markowen7164]

Forget about the trolls. You have a great meny loyal fans. Myself included. M

[@gilvb51]

Please try to straighten the screw Mr. Pete. I love the process of refurbishing old stuff like you do and have spent quite some time doing my best to make old stuff work as it was intended. Great vid! Thank you.

[@mrpete222]

I do try and the next part. But it did not work out for me. It was either very top steel or had some heat treat in it. Plus I do not have a proper press

[@GaryT1952]

Great project Mr. Pete! I'm betting you give that screw assembly a tap or two. Nice cuts on the bandsaw.

[@chuckfischer7202]

In many parts of the world, a cricket is thought to bring good fortune to the home. A welcome and revered guest. Thank you for your great videos. Enjoy your cricket.

[@Plus8Precision]

Hello Mr Pete, The shop where I served my apprenticeship had these style of vises on all the drill presses. I had the fortune of winning a pristine specimen at an auction this summer for $20.00. I have a video on my channel speaking to the benefits of using the speedvise. I still appreciate all your videos you put out. Thanks... Michael - Plus8Precision

[@mrpete222]

Thank you, I did watch that a while ago and it was good. Perfect shape

[@Plus8Precision]

@@mrpete222 i hadnt seen one on youtube then i watch one of your older vise video and there you had one. I should have known lol, thanks for suscribing to my channel.

[@ga5743]

Always learning from you Mr. Pete, thank you. Oh by the way, I don’t hear any cricket. 😀

[@roeng1368]

Its a quality vise, you are doing right to recondition it. I have seen some lovely engineering equipment destroyed over the years, usually by unskilled or semi-skilled workers or those that just don't care. Drill vises especially, used for target practise.

[@Dominic.Minischetti]

Since I don’t have a bandsaw or milling machine, I would have welded it up and turned it over! lol That’s looking great Mr. Pete!

[@mrpete222]

Yes

[@PaulSteMarie]

That doesn't look like a standard buttress thread. Instead of a 90° side, it appears to be undercut, -5° or thereabouts. Good picture at 5:05. It could just be an artifact of the angle on the half-nut, but an undercut would help keep the screw from popping out of the half-nut.

[@COBARHORSE1]

I agree. A regular buttress thread would tend to lift under load.

[@4GSR]

It has an reverse angle flank to the thread. I've used that technique on threads in my past.

[@michaelbriggs5831]

This video is timely for me as i am cleaning a Cardinal 4B. The one that I bought was extremely dirty and slightly rusty, but only has slight bozo drill marks. In disassembling for cleaning, etc., removing the bolt for the fixed jaw was extremely difficult. It turned out to be bent ... someone must have cranked down really hard on a part. Finally ... much thanks for all your videos, "Mr Pete"!

[@mrpete222]

Boy they must really have cracked it down hard to bend that bolt

[@SwarthyPlinker]

Those are neat little vises. I always enjoy watching these videos and watch most of them now with my teenaged son. He really enjoyed the last series on identifying metals.

[@mrpete222]

Thanks. I am shocked to find out that a teenager would watch such things

[@michaelcerkez3895]

Mr Pete you perform the finer details because you're a tool and die maker. Thank you for being an example to others.

[@mrpete222]

Thanks

[@craigsudman4556]

Good stuff...I'm pretty sure that crickets in the shop are good luck. Thumbs up.

[@russelallen5342]

Another great Saturday video. Coffee wouldn't be the same without them. Thanks!

[@mrpete222]

Thanks

[@scottjones7279]

I have been hearing crickets for thirty years and the doctor said that there was nothing that could be done for it.

[@ericcorse]

Me too

[@MaturePatriot]

Ditto!

[@ohmbug10]

Yeah, 25 years in mills did it for me too. Sometimes I have to talk louder to myself because it's the only intelligent conversation I get. 😂😂😂

[@bentontool]

Me too...

[@mwechtal]

Only seems like 20 years for me. WAY too much .22 LR shooting without ear protection. Of course no gun stores around here sold any back in the '70s.

[@AJR2208]

Hi Lyle - it was good that you put the effort into a new base plate. At least now you have some material (from the old one) to make either sacrificial or custom work holding jaws for your other vises. All-in-all, very nice job there.

[@mrpete222]

Thanks

[@llapmsp]

I had to machine an internal 1 1/2 buttress thread in an eight inch bore for part of my lathe qualification at work ( quite a challenge). Keep the great videos coming.

[@mrpete222]

I bet that was a tough one

[@llapmsp]

@@mrpete222 Yes it was, but very satisfying.

[@johncloar1692]

Thanks for another grate video. Leave the crickets alone, it not a perfect world. I enjoy all of your videos.

[@kevinbrown1420]

Fill the pock marks with JB weld. It can be machined and it is the same color as cast iron. Love the videos!

[@mrpete222]

I hate JB plastic

[@Christopher.C123]

@@mrpete222 .Ok. but why ?. I use it on a lot of repair jobs to restore the cosmetic appearance before painting or to build up an area on wood,plastic or metal that has been damaged , also I have found it to be an excellent bonding for many types of rubber to metal .

[@Rusty_ok]

Entertaining please keep making these videos.

[@allanpowell7208]

They're a lot quicker than a full thread job. My nephew found me a bench vice with a spring loaded acme thread with a little lever below the vice handle that you depress to slide the jaws. I suppose there has to be American versions of that. Nice video .

[@mrpete222]

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[@davescreations7793]

I find this video very interesting and informative thanks for what you do now I am buying a lathe

[@mrpete222]

Yes, get yourself a lathe

[@bruceferrero8178]

Hi Mr. Pete, buttress thread is used on General Electric CF6-80 high pressure turbine pressure tube coupling nut. It holds the high pressure turbine to the high pressure compressor.

[@RickRose]

You're doing a great job on that vise. Thanks for sharing.

[@componenx]

This video was very timely- I just got a Cardinal 6" speed vise at an estate sale for a steal. It looked to be in very good condition, but the jaws were rusted together. After I got them apart, I found the moonscape underneath. I opted to turn the plate over and braze up the cuts in the sides and the one puncture, then straighten things up on the surface grinder (the original plate was far from flat).

[@mrpete222]

Sounds like a good fix

[@stevenpressley5956]

Wilton used it on their commercial bandsaws.. The butress and half but are fairly beefy on them... Works well.

[@MrUbiquitousTech]

Excellent again Mr. Pete!

[@ianbutler1983]

Mr. Pete, They still make them, and you are spot on, that one seems to be $235.00.

[@clifffiftytwo]

Mr. Pete - have you done a video on the various types of 'fit' and how to achieve them? The difference in the fit of the two jaws to the base brought the question to mind. On another front, thanks for this video. It turned out to be quite interesting with decisions regarding repair/replace and the techniques involved. I bet someone use the vise in its' new lifetime. Can't wait to see the new jaws. I'm so jealous of that new bandsaw! I use a porta-band clamped in my big vise - that almost works.

[@mrpete222]

I just finished a video on a porta band in a v vise

[@4SafetyTraining]

As always great information

[@cliftoncarmichael2392]

You could have a buzz saw in the background and I would still watch your videos!! Forget about the trolls.

[@mrpete222]

Thank you very much

[@derfvader6951]

I have got used to the cricket and amazed he is still around as it cold out side now

[@RRINTHESHOP]

new base plate Penn tool, $55.00,, $235 new. $280 ebay. Nice fun restore, looking great.

[@mrpete222]

Wow

[@4GSR]

Some body gave my dad one of these vises many years ago with a worn out nut on it. It was a 6" size vise bigger than the one in this video. At the time we decided it was not worth fixing and tossed it in a corner of the shop. Twenty years later when I clean out dads shop, ran across it again, scrapper it went! I can now kick myself for letting it go, now that I've seen this video. We never took the time to see if that old vise would come apart to salvage and fix. Would have been a easy fix! The things we learn..... I guarantee, I won't pass up another one ever again!!! Ken

[@mrpete222]

Wait till you see the next one I work on

[@jefferyjohnson5421]

Great job. It's going to be a very nice vice.

[@ruperthartop7202]

Great video Lyle, thanks

hay mr pete my big turkey dressed out at 50 lbs would invite ya over but boston is probly a bit far hope you and all your crew have a good turkey day !!!

[@mrpete222]

Thank you very much. I was In Boston last summer on a senior citizen bus trip. It was a wonderful experience

[@JamesDedmon]

First I learned a new saying, thanks for that. That is an interesting repair. Have you considered straightening the screw a bit?

[@jodydoakes8754]

Great video. Very enjoyable watching the process of restoration.

[@elsdp-4560]

THANK YOU...for sharing. Watched and very much enjoyed.

[@Unrivaledanime]

I like the still shots at the end of the video..... Also i wish you will straighten out that screw that is really bothering me..

[@mrpete222]

Watch part two

[@tlum4081]

Buttress threads are used in applications that have to hold against extreme forces, like the breech of a cannon. Also, leveling screws for very high loads also use this type of thread.

[@brucekiszely2995]

Great little Vise, thanks Mr Pete

[@stevesimon8306]

Could the replaceable jaws be machined out of angle iron so they would cover the top where the holes were drilled?

[@rlm98253]

Imagine my surprise when at 3:38 what pops up but the exact same tool I am currently restoring: Craftsman horizontal band saw 108.22920. Nearly finished.

[@mrpete222]

I hope you make a video of it

[@diggerdelaney]

When you do the top of the vice jaws could it be milled just below the shallow drill marks, would this affect the vice in any way? The deeper ones will still need drilling and filling but it would make for a better end result. Just asking from a newbie to metalworking

[@mrpete222]

I do Mill it the next part

[@pauldevey8628]

Good practical approach. Thank You Sir!

[@mrpete222]

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[@douglasdexheimer1081]

Why do you use a milling machine to drill holes, when a drill press would be easier to set up? Thanks for your instructive videos, excellent as usual!

[@kenbertoson5844]

Well done!

[@motor2of7]

A very close friend owned a Cardinal Tool for many years.

[@johnstrange6799]

Sure like to see one of the rust remover companies sponsor a video series with a quantity of their finest sufficient enough to submerge the Craftsman saw.

[@mrpete222]

lol. That would take about 20 gallons

[@lockWK-ij4vu]

JB weld in them holes Mr. Pete. I have actually used JB Weld and have tap JB. Very strong stuff

[@mrpete222]

its plastic

[@lockWK-ij4vu]

@@mrpete222 yeah they have a plastic bond. The old stuff Is what I am preferring to. KZbin don't allow pictures or I would up load. I have used it on steel of years, and have drilled and tap it. Each their own. Just a suggestion

[@davidkroth]

Mr. Pete does all the projects the rest of us merely muse on: "Yeah, I should really replace that vise bed..." "I could make one of those drill press vises... someday."

[@mrpete222]

lol

[@silverbullet7434]

Sure look perty when there done up even just a little bit . I have one in really good condition like the three in. Think it's a four but no big deal it works well.

[@enriquerodriguez7540]

Mr Pete, you can fill the holes with epoxy, i used a grey epoxy with steel and the color its very good

[@killingtimeproductions9572]

Ty for the video Mr. Pete.

[@PhillyRacer121]

“I dont know, and i dont care” yep, spoken like a shop teacher. Sounds like my old drafting teacher in high school.

[@tropifiori]

Might be an idea to make brass jaws so as to not mar finished work. A nice project.

[@mrpete222]

Yes

[@geckoproductions4128]

Nice video Mr. Pete. Looking forward to next one. I need to make some jaws and fill a couple of holes myself. Are you going to cut V groove in jaws?

[@gabrielbonannoo]

I've got that craftsman bandsaw too. the vice is a nice touch, although that's about it for that saw. don't try cutting off something 4" high or it wont go all the way down.

[@mrpete222]

Yes, it’s not much of a saw. I had one years ago and i sold it

[@kevinmartin7760]

The thread form shown 6:17 has a positive angle of 3 degrees on the steep side of the buttress, so this thread would not hold in a half-nut. The actual thread on the vise looks like it has a negative angle on the steep side which would mean that the screw locks into the half-nut when tightened.

[@mikebarton3218]

Oh no, Surrey not Mr Pete. Make a new one or do a weld repair. Hooray I just got to the change of mind 😄👍😄👍

[@Jim-ie6uf]

Always enjoyable!

[@burtpowell1344]

Enjoyed the video. Thanks.

[@mrpete222]

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[@davelowe1977]

Looking forward to the next instalment!

[@MaturePatriot]

The vise now looks 100% better, and will fetch a fine price at an auction, someday, in the very distant future! I personally saw no problem with reusing the bed plate. It would have kept all original parts together. I'm sure many owners are now planning to turn their bed plates, to improve the looks of their vises, or hide their witness marks. LOL Another engineering failure on the snap ring. Like a pin in a blind hole. Looking forward to seeing the finished vise. 'Til next time.

[@mrpete222]

I still don’t know how to get the snap ring out of there

[@CraftedChannel]

I have that same saw. Mine looks a little better but still needs restored. Inspect the plastic drive pinion before you start. Those are not available.

[@Daledavispratt]

Looking good. Thanks, Mr. Pete! :-)

[@marksipes7919]

How are those threads made?

[@jeffholden4600]

Is it possible to recycle the old baseplate to machine a set of jaw plates. Provided the metal composition would be appropriate.

[@mrpete222]

Sure

[@danedewaard8215]

When looking at that vise bed, it is hard to believe that the vise owner would have made so many "mistake" holes! That poor vise must have spent its life in a production shop or school shop where the users could not have cared less about the finish. It is fortunate to have found a home with you! Just wondering, did you ever think of making a cricket horror video, where the vice jaws s l o w l y close on the cricket? That would take care of those trolls!!!

[@brucetuckey7909]

Good comment about blow flies and bulls, I didn't think anyone else use such sayings. Like the video glad you talked your self out of the easy way.

[@mrpete222]

Thanks

[@Gkmk.90]

Nice vise mr Pete! I was wondering, would it be possible to mount a grinding disk in the horizontal mill and use that as a surface grinder to flatten this vice?

[@mrpete222]

No way

[@beelzbb9976]

Nice save

[@bentontool]

I would take "the easy way out" and not lose 1 minute of sleep over it! Oh well, it is a teaching video after all... THANKS!

[@mrpete222]

I would not sleep for three days

[@minskmade]

great video. ill have to keep my earball out for one of these.

[@mrpete222]

Yes

[@phooesnax]

Penn Tool in NJ has these. 3 inch with 10 inch opening is over 1000 $

[@gabrielbonannoo]

you know mr pete I've watched a lot of your videos and I've never seen you do any welding

[@mrpete222]

I did some welding in the one where I made a belt guard. And I just completed a video on a bandsaw, still on released. I did some welding but I did not show it. I am not an accomplished welder

[@PeterWMeek]

I've gotta say, I sure wish you had dealt with that retaining ring. My speed vise has a failed retaining ring and I'd really like to know how to fix it.

[@mrpete222]

So would I

[@nathan.kostelecky]

@@mrpete222 Just get a pick under it and it'll pry out. It would be nice if there was a relief like on a piston pin retainer, but it's still doable without.

[@34k5]

I actually liked hearing the cricket.

[@keithkemper]

Not really a question if it would fit they always fit its Mr. Pete

[@mrpete222]

Thanks

[@gregworkshop5713]

hi nice work

[@Blackcountrysteam]

Nice job it will look much better with a paint job then you'll be thinking 'can I live with the bent screw'

[@elund408]

a 4 inch speed vice is $325, as far as the cricket, they are lucky and I'm to old and deaf to hear it so it doesn't matter. Did you think about bondo and paint to cover up the holes ;-)

[@mrpete222]

Do you not like Bondo or JB Weld for this application. That’s a lot of money for a new vise

[@SkylersRants]

Seems like a lot of work for a vise that is in fine working order, especially when you have so many other vises. And vices. But thanks for sharing. The vises, not the vices.

[@mrpete222]

Yeah I think it was a waste of time

[@harlech2]

My gosh. I would hate to have to pay Mr. Peterson's oil bill. The amount of of oil he has to use on his tools and machinery must be phenomenal. 😆😆 edited: becuz I speel Engrish goodly

[@mrpete222]

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