Installing a new KANCA Leg Vise

Old leg vises in good usable condition are becoming harder to find. This new vise made by Kanca may be the answer for people trying to set up shop.
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[@Mert_Sagir]

A brand from my country. It's pronounced like "kahn-ja" (means hook). Their main business is manufacturing forged parts and providing heat treatment services for the automotive industry. They do manufacturing for a lot of big brands worldwide (BMW, Mercedes, Ford and Toyota to name a few). The vices, anvils and hand tools are their side business. They're almost always high quality. You'll probably be happy with yours as you've said.

[@BlackBearForge]

Thank you for the added information.

[@HansWeberHimself]

What’s your country please, Mert? The g with the accent looks Eastern European to me? A Slavic language? Or Hungary?

[@Mert_Sagir]

@@HansWeberHimself Turkey. The accent signifies soft g. Afaik only Turkish and Azerbaijani alphabets have that letter.

[@tamasporcsin3122]

@@HansWeberHimself Kanca (pronounced kahn-tsa) in Hungarian means mare :)

[@hassanfortney8181]

Have you ever looked at Fireball Tool vices? It would be great to see what you think about his stuff.

[@taylorross4530]

I live in Turkiye. Kanca manufactures for Bessey and others. Very high quality in ibeam clamps-I have 10-and anvils. Great video man. Unfortunately manufacturers today are not thinking 100 years of use like they were 100 years ago. Even kanca. I think you found the best that can be hoped for new.

[@robsonsantosOSO]

Here, where I live, this type of blacksmith's vise is very rare and always disputed with a slap fight...🤕... You made great comments about the change and I hope that this new tool brings you more comfort in your work. Congratulations!

[@robsonsantosOSO]

@blee25591 I live in the south of Brazil, close to the border with Argentina, and I don't speak English, sorry... I just use a translator to comment and sometimes I can't express myself very much... 😅. But I am deeply grateful for your videos and they are what I need. Thank you very much.👍

[@seanscarcliff9495]

I love how you mounted this vise. Are you going to do a follow-up video? I didn't see one.

[@JC-vb2kd]

Beautiful job on removing the old post & setting the new post.

[@RT-iy9pu]

My OCD is happy with the finished product. What a ride!

[@gerhardtklein2481]

Thank you for video’s such as these! I’ve been watching your video’s for years! Opening a shop in Newfoundland as my own retirement project and your video’s have been a vital part of my development. Thank you for what you do!

[@BlackBearForge]

Glad you like them!

[@gerhardtklein2481]

Loved your video! Got me thinking about my setup! As for old tools, I am one of those that love them! Sometimes you can get a marvellous tool and I love using old tools it’s like you have a lineage of craftsmen with you when your working! I got my vice from a farm in Ontario. The son found it in a storage shed that had not been opened in 50 years. He sold it to me for $300.00 and it sat in storage for three years before I installed it. It seemed cross threaded but turned out to just be old grease! Consider myself fortunate and honoured to have this in my shop!

[@SchysCraftCo.]

Absolutely beautiful John . Hopefully you get great use out of for many years to come my friend. Keep up the great craftsmanship and hard work my friend. Forge On. Fab On. Weld On. Keep forge lit. Keep Making. God bless.

[@olddawgdreaming5715]

What a great video John. Thanks for sharing with us, turned out excellent. I have been hunting for one of these vises for a good while. Mostly find junk and always over priced. I'll be looking at the website soon Fred.

[@darwindemartelaere3195]

I'm going to start setting up a small blacksmithing shop to get back into to forging so all these information videos are a huge help, thank you.

[@BlackBearForge]

Glad to help

[@y-notforge8913]

..Nice review sir. i'm looking forward to the 6 month update. The swivel feature looks to be an asset as long as it doesn't go to wandering on it's own...

[@BlackBearForge]

It will be interesting to see how it holds.

[@Bangalangs]

5:35 yea John, I for one would love to have that hammer in my shop if I could get it working. I’m really liking these improvement videos around the shop. Talking about people enjoying restoring/refurbishing old tools, there’s a saying my late grandfather used to use at garage sales in regards to old tools/machinery. “There’s a reason they’re selling that.” Another excellent video sir.

[@BlackBearForge]

I'm sure that hammer is still available. But it would be a total rebuild

[@blackbirdironworks6019]

I'm glad that your initial impressions are good, I've been using mine for about five months so far and I've been loving it. Looking forward to your thoughts after using it for a while

[@BlackBearForge]

Good to know!

[@rustybow7293]

Thanks for posting this! Good to see someone's making these. I have an old one that works fine but not everyone can find a good old post vise. And I said it before...I'll say it again: I love your shop! :)

[@ericcartrette6118]

Great video! I traded for my leg vice many years ago. It's the only one I've really used. I didn't realize how poorly it held things until I saw this video. Maybe if I can have a successful year, a new leg vice will be in my shop.

[@yepiratesworkshop7997]

I have a couple of the old leg vises in my shop. They work extremely well. I started grabbing them up at farm sales and auctions about 20 years ago and I probably have about a dozen of them ranging in size from about 200 lb. down to 4-inch jaws. I don't think any of them cost me over $25. I am glad to see a company is manufacturing them again. The one in your video looked pretty good, too.

[@billwoehl3051]

Haven't seen any movement while you were hammering yet, nice job!👍

[@BlackBearForge]

Me neither

[@wallaceviviansadventures2095]

Good morning like your vice, i bough one like this last summer at prince auto it's a awesome vice and got it for a wicked price. regular price $599 got it on sale for $150. it had a few scratches on it. your going to like it. have a great day

[@jsmyrick8066]

Thanks for the review and the vice stand build. Great stuff!

[@megadeuz6148]

Great video Bear! I have about 5 of these post vises of various sizes at my shop. Thinking about mounting one on a truck rim so that I can move it around when needed.

[@marcerivest6204]

It's really nice if you treat yourself now and then.l took my 6" one and took a lick of the jaws in the Mill and recut the teeth with a zip cut wheel and it now works good

[@dimtt2]

You are quite right about the rubber stops on the vice handle. I've owned a kanca 150mm/6'' bench vice for 10 years that had the same handle stops and within a year or two they relaxed and eventually lost their grip on the handle and let it fall off the screw. My solution was to remount the rubber stop using soft steel wire wound tight a few turns around the rubber, the twisted ends cut short and sunk in the rubber to prevent them from injuring the hands in operation. Other than that I like my vice.

[@travisgrimforge]

I love my Kanka. I have the 5 inch one and I probably should've gotten the heavier 6 inch but I've had no complaints or troubles with it. I've beaten, burned and scratched it all up amd it hasn't given up yet

[@jeffreyjones6409]

Looks to be a fairly robust vise. I too look forward to seeing how it holds up for you.

[@stenzeliron6818]

Awesome!! I’m glad you made this. I’ve really been wondering about these vises. I see them all the time when I visit centaur forge. Wasn’t sure why to think of them.

[@darkone9572]

Well it's in there now !!

[@FearsomeWarrior]

Tapping a hole on the ends of the handles isn’t bad. Adding little circle plates or balls on there. Great video as always.

[@BlackBearForge]

Great tip!

[@Dominic.Minischetti]

That’s looks really nice! And the upgraded stand is going to last forever! Thanks for sharing!

[@BlackBearForge]

I hope so!

[@matttheengineer278]

I love mine. I wasn’t willing to pay a premium price for an old junky vise, so this was a nice alternative. Im not a full time smith so I may be proven wrong, but it hasn’t happened yet.

[@xoxo2008oxox]

About your bending fork, I couldn't see it up close, but flatten the lower U part for more grip/surface area to minimize movement which honestly, a square peg bottom to the bending fork to fit the anvil seems better if doing much eye work. But great video and you explain your vise use, well!

[@bigredbeard65]

John, nice information and video on this vise. I like the new post and accessories you added, very nice, gives me ideas. I found an old leg vise that my dad had, probably got it in some scrap iron he bought, I've cleaned it up and got it fixed and mounted on a wooden post and it's a lot better than what i did have, nothing. I like the way your new vise can pivot, I think that would be a nice feature. I'll be looking forward to seeing your update and opinions on it as you use it. John V.

[@mandolinman2006]

In my area, you can get used for almost as much as new. In some cases, that old is shot. I've seen anvils with 90% of the face broken off for as much as, say, a 110 pound Kanca anvil.

[@rbaker1423]

Really glad to see this video, John. I've been looking at that vise for some time and wondered whether it was really up to the job. Looks pretty good. I'm not concerned about he paint, and the rubber on the handles would be easy to fix if needed. The real question is whether it will hold up to the beating. I never understand why vises are made with such aggressive toothed jaws. Particularly for this type of vise. I would have to change that for sure. But again, not a big deal. Love that scrap yard you have. I wish there was something like that near me. But everything around here that isn't welded down (and a lot of things that are) gets scrapped for a few pennies. Scrap material doesn't exist and new material comes at McMaster prices. If I were in your area, I might be dragging that power hammer home. :) Seems like you are getting the shop all fixed up for some serious new production work and new projects. Gonna be great!

[@threeriversforge1997]

Great review. I've always wondered about those vises, but I've never seen any in person or known anyone who has. The rotational feature could come in handy just to clear your twisting wrench if you have it mounted to a table or bench that doesn't quite clear like you'd hoped. Being able to rotate the jaws would also come in very handy when you have to work on a large assembly, like a gate or railing. I know there's been many a time when I needed to hold up a large piece so I could peen the styles. Usually, I grab it at the base with a large vise designed fo on a milling machine, but that's always been less than ideal even if it does work. Being able to latch onto one end at whatever height I wanted, would make it easy to slip my 120# anvil under the part that I'm working on so it could be the floor anvil to back up the peening I'm doing on the other end. Not a common need, but still.... I'll look forward to hearing your 6mo review!

[@frankgaletzka8477]

Hello John That is a good investment . Thank you for showing . Take care Yours Frank Galetzka😊

[@Dave_0993_I]

So i guess it has a good spherical washer, ? I have a big old vise, and I had a new washer made. handle, too, with one machined ball, and one threaded, which I forged welded on. That spherical washer is the key to the whole system, as is the firm mount, which you've dealt with.

[@NjalLaing]

Sweet vice and I'm sure it is well secured now, great review 👍

[@HisWayHomestead]

Can’t wait to hear your final thoughts!!

[@BlackBearForge]

So far I think its a good vise and it hold well. After i have more time working with it I'll be sure to do the follow up.

[@tazman8271]

I wish there were more shop classes in schools.

[@robertoswalt319]

Thanks for sharing this video. Having purchased a lot of used equipment over the past many years, there is no feeling better than being able to purchase something new and being the first one to use it. I love the thinking that you put into the storage on the post itself.

[@erikcourtney1834]

What people are asking for old wore out tooling is ridiculous. I paid $75 for my 4” vise and its in perfect shape. If I didn’t come across it I was going to buy a brand new kanca. I’d bet it’s going to work just fine. New materials is superior over the older ones. Machined threads vs brazed is a no brainer.

[@fearthereaper298]

Brazed connection is as stromu as machined piece if it’s done corectly

[@macmarion421]

I personally disagree with the notion that new is better than old. I use a 200 ur old post vice and it’s better than the new post vices I have

[@nickbruni8041]

Good Luck with it Bro :)

[@AtholIronworks]

Thanks for doing this video. I have a kanca Anvil that is pretty good. So I was wondering how good this was going to be.

[@josephtinsley7212]

I've had mine for about two years, and I didn't even know it could swivel like that! Mind blown! Also, I agree about the rubber handle stops, I've had one get melted with my OA torch and it keeps popping off, but its not really a big deal and i could easily upset the ends or weld on a ball to stop the handle from falling out.

[@BlackBearForge]

I hadn't thought of that possibility, I'll try to avoid doing that.

[@smash5967]

Typically you'll have at least one of the ends with a removable stop, such as a threaded on ball, so you can take the handle off without cutting it.

[@jeremyforbes3627]

Lol, me neither, I'll give that a go tonight.

[@markluxton3402]

I bought a big 6' bench mounted vise at an estate sale. It was used by a large forestry company originally. It wasn't even set out for sale. I spotted it and asked if I could buy it. I grabbed some tools and removed it from the work bench myself and gave the fellow $60. It isn't fancy but has a decent anvil behind the jaws. I like it. I will need to make a woodworking vise and bench soonish, and I have some drill press vises. I have a wooden leg vise attached at the back of my shop. Haven't used it yet. Its' my Grandfathers old shop I am renovating and setting up; jack of all trades in a small shop LOL I am wondering why that style of vice is better for blacksmithing? Would I beat up my workbench using my bench mounted vise? Break my cement floor? I put a sheet of metal underneath my bench vise before mounting it, because I knew I would use it for welding/grinding/forging. I am guessing that my bench mounted vise would not be considered by blacksmiths to be mounted solidly enough? Like an anvil, is better set into solid ground?

[@ronnie2115]

Thanks for the videos, always appreciate your content. I am definitely in the market, so this one's awesome!

[@brysonalden5414]

Can't believe you left that power hammer behind at the scrap yard! Guess your new one suits you.

[@BlackBearForge]

That and the new one doesn't need a complete tear down and rebuild with a big chance of not finding all the needed parts

[@Uncle_Matt_]

I wish I could buy the mounting hardware from that old vise

[@magnusbergroth5319]

Awesome video! I’ve been thinking about getting one of these for myself.

[@Doom_moose]

It's coming up on a year since this video came out, and was wondering during how well this vise has held up for you. I've been putting together my own portable smithy and the little engineer's vise I've been using just isn't up to the job, but I haven't really seen any long-term reviews for the Kanca vises.

[@BlackBearForge]

Its been a good vise so far. I do wish it was heavier, but it holds better than my old one.

[@Doom_moose]

@BlackBearForge I think the lighter weight will be a benefit to me. Thank you for the reply, and thank you for the great content! I've learned a lot from your videos, and I really appreciate the time and effort you put into them.

[@thedarwinexperience5312]

Great review on the product. I know I've been thinking about one.....but uh.....What about that power hammer in the scrap yard?

[@hwdllc]

very good info on the vise. Have you ever used a big heavy foot vise ? I see them from time to time big heavy things you just use your foot pedal on front to clamp it looks.

[@BlackBearForge]

Those are usually specialized for upsetting and heading.

[@Dont_Poke_The_Bear]

Check out the fireball tools vise!

[@BlackBearForge]

Its awesome, but I would need a bigger shop

[@philipdevonald1273]

Looks a pretty light weight vise

[@caotropheus]

Thank you very much for another excellent video. Have you ever worked with a German blacksmith vice? German blacksmith vices are in a complete different category of "beast" of their own. The thick metal cheeks provide an extraordinary strength to these tools. Currently I work with two German blacksmith vices jaws width 140 mm and weight around 50 kg. The oldest one is probably 120 years old, all made in wrought iron and still goes strong...

[@BlackBearForge]

I haven't, but I have heard good things. I have also never seen one for sale here in the US, so I might have to figure out how to import one from Germany, probably a bit pricey.

[@caotropheus]

@@BlackBearForge Indeed if you would like to import a German vice from Europe to the US, it can be a bit pricey. Who knows you make a blacksmith tour around Germany and you return back to the US with some "Goodies"? I own two bench vices and two blacksmith vices, all of them made in Germany, all of them in perfect working conditions and all of them imported from junkyards/antique shops. Since I discovered German blacksmithing tools, my imagination stopped there...

[@cooders71]

Should've checked out a fireball tools vice. Designed and built by an engineer that like to design the absolute best tool he can.

[@thesleepyweasel3775]

I'd never heard of a leg vise (certainly never seen one) before taking an interest in blacksmithing. What's the advantage over a bench vise? When would you prefer a bench vise over a leg vise?

[@stephenkeene8930]

“It may screw with your OCD…” 😂

[@The_Smith]

Sorry John, I had to chuckle at the many vices over the years line . . . too bad none of them were very spectacular . . . ;)

[@elitearbor]

Good video on not only the vise itself, but the entire process of installation! I must ask though... It's been a while. Any thoughts on how it's been performing? Would you suggest this as a decent option for folks still gearing up, relatively new to blacksmithing?

[@BlackBearForge]

I have been quite happy with it. But there is still that fondness for big old vises even though this one works fine

[@bearsharkp3901]

That setup looks good. I'm also in Colorado, where is that salvage yard is like to throw them some business

[@BlackBearForge]

Thats Salt Creek Steel in Pueblo

[@bearsharkp3901]

@@BlackBearForge awesome thank you.

[@OuroborosArmory]

Looks good.. dumb place to put their sticker.. will be burned off after a few uses.

[@BlackBearForge]

Its well on its way already

[@gaylecoombs5510]

@BlackBearForge its been a year, what is your thoughts on it now, do you still like it, has is held up?

[@Tylerhakenwerth]

Hi I'm a big fan of yours and I'm trying to grow my KZbin channel but my KZbin shorts quality seems to be bad after I upload the video,I film my videos in 4k on my iPhone 13, Thanks!

[@crackerkiller23]

Great video as always. I also have a kance vise that my wife bought me when I started forging. It’s a very good vise. The handle rubbers will eventually come off in use. I have just put them back on without problem yet but may be taped soon lol

[@tannhaus]

Would love to know what you think about it now that it's been almost a year

[@BlackBearForge]

its been a good vise and hasn't given me any trouble. I still wish it was heavier, but it hasn't been an issue

[@GeorgeStreet-m8c]

well are you still stratified with your new vise, Im thinking of buying one...

[@BlackBearForge]

So far its been a good tool. I do wish it was heavier for this size jaw and that it had something besides rubber stops on the handles. But so far neither has been an issue.

[@mountainwolf1]

What happened to the old Square body? Did you get rid of it?

[@BlackBearForge]

No, this video might help clarify things a bit kzbin.info/www/bejne/pHyzqX2Ja9KEhpY&pp=ygUWam9obiBzd2l0emVyIG5ldyB0cnVjaw%3D%3D

[@ohdubwest7533]

Hey John, any updates on the vise? Is it still working well for you?

[@BlackBearForge]

So far it has been great.

[@ohdubwest7533]

@@BlackBearForge Glad to hear it! It's nice when something works and keeps working.

[@stevesalles6047]

its easier to dumk in the dry concrete and pour a bucket of water on top

[@deryiousbarzee627]

Good morning

[@BlackBearForge]

Morning

[@hunterlinville7918]

We're those old power hammers going to scrap?

[@BlackBearForge]

It should be for sale

[@robertszuba3382]

You have red soil under the workshop. Is it some kind of iron ore?

[@BlackBearForge]

Iron in the soil, but not any ore

[@robertszuba3382]

@@BlackBearForge 33 / 5 000 Wyniki tłumaczenia Tłumaczenie even as a last resort no ore?

[@z0mb13h0rd3]

Hey John, it’s been a couple of months now, wondering if you’ve formed a solid opinion of the vice? Also, did you fill the post with sand or anything? As always, thanks for the videos! -John

[@BlackBearForge]

So far it has been a good vise and it hold better than the old one. I still wish it were heavier, but thats just a personal bias. The post is filled with concrete.

[@KMW63]

So it has been 5 months since you posted the video. So how is it doing and do you still recommend the Vice?

[@BlackBearForge]

Its still performing better than the old one. I still suspect I'll need to replace the rubber stop collar on the handle at some point.

[@matthewnovak5440]

Do you still like your kanca vise? I'm building a career-aimed blacksmith and welding shop and I am going to need a good leg vise. I was planning on one of these unless you've found some fatal flaw.

[@BlackBearForge]

Yes, it has been a good vise. I still wish it was a bit larger, but it holds better than the old vise.

[@matthewnovak5440]

@@BlackBearForge Thank you so much! Also, thank you for the content you put out. It's been a really big help as I've worked towards this goal.

[@olegpetelevitch4443]

Me to have no time to restore to busy !

[@Vikingwerk]

Boy, seeing those power hammers in the scrap yard hurts a bit. Probably cost more than a new one to restore, but still hate to see em go.

[@BlackBearForge]

I agree, but luckily this isn't the type of place that just sends everything to the steel mill. That hammer is available if someone wants to buy it.

[@Logan.H.L]

@@BlackBearForge where is that power hammer located?

[@colvinwellborn]

What height do you set your vise jaws at John? I'm pretty sure mine is way to high now. I'm planning on rebuilding my vise setup soon and I want to set the vise to a better height when I do it.

[@BlackBearForge]

Elbow height is ideal for filing. Which is pretty close to where this ended up, but I set it based on the existing leg, I suppose you could cut it short if needed.

[@eric99vigne]

How much for this vise?

[@BlackBearForge]

www.blacksmithsupply.com/Leg-Vise-150mm--6-Inch_p_133.html

[@hulkthedane7542]

👍🌞

[@MrGiXxEr]

Forged?

[@BlackBearForge]

Cast steel

[@malcontent6150]

Rest assured, a quality new vise should more than likely outlive the owner.

[@jerebam0920]

good morning

[@BlackBearForge]

Morning

[@Ludick.J]

Is the vice casted or forged?

[@BlackBearForge]

Cast steel

[@quanghuynguyen6950]

Hà nội việt nam thanhs you

TURKEY brand. good quality product.

[@oguzmehmet4791]

this is the turkish brand. (kanca mengene)

[@yasarmevlutoglu776]

Türk malı ,, Kanca,, Пр - во ,,Турция,,

[@spacemanplayz5690]

be cool if the left the jaws un painted and just wax dipped them and then with use the wax will just melt and not be so toxic

[@SquareOneForge]

Excellent video as always. You sure set the bar high for us newcomers to this here KZbin. I like it 👍

[@whiskeyinthejar24]

I'm glad I bought a new vice not an antique. The Australian Anyang dealer brought some in from china. Mine is a 4inch, but it's huge. Big heavy frame. Uses a coil spring instead of a leaf spring. The jaws have no knurling, so they don't scratch the work piece as bad, although I imagine less grip is provided.

[@FarmsteadForge]

Good review, it looks like a great vise. I might have to check them out, my vises are all pretty hashed. You may only use the swivel once or twice a year but I imagine it would be great to have when you need it!

[@ravenbarsrepairs5594]

Wishing I had a place I could permanently set up my post vise. For now, I welded up a vise stand from a old steel wheel, a ~3' chunk of some I-bean, and some other random scraps I had. When I Use it, I have to lift the massive stand/vise out of the shed and use it outside. Took my 5yrs of o, and finally found one last summer. No clue on the brand, as the screw box looks like no other I've seen. Onmly marking is the numer 1896, which I assume is the year of manufacture. 5 1nd a half in jaws, and weights something like 90lbs. Only paid $125 for it.

[@rossfudd256]

It's not OCD it's CDO,... cause alphabetical. By the way did you fill the column with anything? Sand, concrete.

[@ssboot5663]

I have never like the weeble-wobble mounting of the old post vises.I have ruined several old post vises in my life.I have destroyed the threads in the screw casting, spread the jaws apart(they are softer than you would think below the top part way down.) I have put them in the press and re-straightened but they are never the same it seems I have found that the abrasives from my hand grinder eventually wear out the threads in the screw casting. I have also had the screw threads worn off. (abrasives from hand grinder stones mixed into the lube in the screw.) I find washing the screws out and cleaning and re lubing occasionally helps the screw threads last.

[@fredschmidt6802]

Use to look at used because you couldn't find new . They want so much money I always use machinist vices . I can find them & afford them . I really lucked out on my anvil !!! But could never find a pole vice at a fair price .

[@johnw.peterson4311]

My OCD was messed with when you welded on the post without first grinding the rust off the post. Uhhhh. Great project and otherwise good job, and thank you for showing.

[@FallenAnvilForge]

Great video, looks like a good vice. Speaking of things you've done a little while back, how are those punches you made out of the Atlantic 33 holding up? I never saw a video about them after you made them.

[@BlackBearForge]

They have been great. I like that is safe to quench them in water even if they start to turn red in use.

[@FallenAnvilForge]

@@BlackBearForge Awesome to hear, Thanks John, have a great day.